Brining ideas to the table:

[FIREguy2011]

What are three training ideas you have that can improve your departments skill level, fireground tactics and/or safety standards,

[fire49]

Pre plan buildings and learn about any fire protection systems/ hazards in them

[Dashman]

Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Bossier Parish
Posts: 24

Dont listen to the so called educator you have down there unless you like being a lawn muppet.

[FIREguy2011]

i never claimed to be an educator.

[LaFireEducator]

Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Bossier Parish
Posts: 24

Dont listen to the so called educator you have down there unless you like being a lawn muppet.

I have a few fans on these forums. They love me.

[FWDbuff]

What are three training ideas you have that can improve your departments skill level, fireground tactics and/or safety standards,

Get rid of LaFireEducator for starters.

[LaFireEducator]

Get rid of LaFireEducator for starters.

Again, different department.

Bossier Parish has 7 rural departments (3 work together, almost like one) and the city.

[BULL321]

Again, different department.

Bossier Parish has 7 rural departments (3 work together, almost like one) and the city.

Hopefully they receive training from someone other than you.

[BULL321]

Get rid of LaFireEducator for starters.

Sure enough. I wonder what the new guy would think of his fellow Bossier Parish FF if he could read some of his infamous post. One of the best is the one where LA stated that he would allow a child to burn up in the car fire. I wish I could locate it.

[LaFireEducator]

Hopefully they receive training from someone other than you.

They all train themselves.

[FIREguy2011]

Sure enough. I wonder what the new guy would think of his fellow Bossier Parish FF if he could read some of his infamous post. One of the best is the one where LA stated that he would allow a child to burn up in the car fire. I wish I could locate it.

found the quote:

we will run into situations that are simply too dangerous for us to attempt a rescue, and the best course of action for us is to allow the victim to die.

Here is the link:he listed it underneath number one.

[LaFireEducator]

Originally Posted by LaFireEducator
we will run into situations that are simply too dangerous for us to attempt a rescue, and the best course of action for us is to allow the victim to die.

And Bull, your point is?

We've discussed this before. If there is a reasonable possibly of success and the responding personnel are equipped, trained and experienced at the rescue, attempt it if conditions allow.

If the victims chances of being rescued are extremly low, or the responding department does not have the equipment, training and experience to be able to make the rescue without a high probability of firefighter death or significant injury, yes, the risk v. benefit model does tell the responding department that this should be a "no go" operation and no attempt should be made to rescue the victim. We are not in the business of sacrificing ourselves. We are in the business of taking calculated risks as long as we have a viable victim and the resources, including training and experience to attempt a rescue. And we are in the business of returning uninjured from a run. Always.

Yes, there are times when it is far better to allow the victim to die rather than suffer a firefighter, or multiple firefighter, injurie(s) or death(s) in a situation that has progressed beyond the department's or the individual firefighter's (if off-duty) resources and capabilities either due to response time or situation.

That's simply the cold, hard facts of firefighter safety and risk v. benefit analysis. We come first, and our operational decisions need to reflect that. Always.

We can't save everyone. And there are situations where we shouldn't make an effort. We need to know our limits and need to know when to say know, both as individuals and as departments.

Limits will vary based on leadership, funding, response times, manpower, apparatus, water supply, general firefighter and specialized training, specialized tools and equipment, mutual aid capabilities and experience. Some of that a department can control. Most of that a department has absolutely no control over.

Civilians die in fires and rescue situations. Always have. Always will. In many cases, we cannot change that. Often they are dead or not viable upon our arrival. And throwing firefighters into a situation that has either progressed beyond the department's abilities or the department is untrained or unequipped causing a high likelihood of injury and/or death to ourselves will not change that. It will simply kill and injure firefighters without changing the outcome.

I have never said anything less in talking with any firefighter. It's my belief that we have a right to come home. Every time. And no obligation to the public overrides that basic right.

[ChiefKN]

So, did anyone brin any ideas?

[LaFireEducator]

So, did anyone brin any ideas?

Hey, we tried.

[FIREguy2011]

get rid of LaFire?
LOL j/k.