Could use some insight

[TrickyDik]

Hello everyone. Been a member for some time but just lurked the board mostly. Now I could use some thoughts/ideas/help.

Quick background: I'm a 22 year old male in the US Coast Guard serving a 4 year enlistment as an Operations Specialist. My duties are much like a 911/Dispatchers job. I take mayday calls from vessels/aircraft in distress and dispatch Coast Guard units to assist. I do more but that's the quick and dirty. I'm coming up on my 2 year mark, with 2 years remaining, in the Coast Guard. I entered service at 20 years old after I attended a New Hampshire college for 2 full-time years and earned an associates in Criminal Justice. I stand to leave the service at the age of 24.

I have always known I wanted to be involved in Public Safety in one form or another. Mainly I wanted to be in Law Enforcement which explains my CJ degree, but I've always been interested in FF/EMT work as well. I'm being transferred to Maine coming up sometime between October and January. I'm still a New Hampshire resident and will continue to be at least until I leave the service.

My goal is to work some where in the Southern NH/Northeast MA area. I plan on taking the tests/applying for positions in both Police and Firefighting because I feel I would be equally as happy in either job field. So far my qualifications look pretty good; CJ Degree, Boot Camp, Damage Control (including firefighting) on board ships, Trained as a 911/Dispatcher type of job, Currently hold a Top Secret Clearance.

My question is what can I do to better myself over the next 2 years? What kind of classes/certificates can I achieve in 2 years or less that will make me competitive when I start to test and apply for Firefighting/Law Enforcement jobs?

One thing I plan to do is begin EMT courses because I was told by a couple firefighters I know in NH that EMT qualifications would make myself look better when applying.

Keep in mind that money is no object when it comes to schooling (kind of, I do have a limit but don't let that stop you from suggesting something), as the military will pay for it.

I plan to post this in the Officer.com boards as well to see what suggestions I get for the Law Enforcement side of things.

Thanks for looking.

[BCLepore]

First of all people with military backgrounds do extremely well in the fire service and police departments.

If you goal is to secure a career in public service and you are not particularly passionate about either one I would encourage you to head toward the law enforcement side of the profession. Getting hired on the fire department is much more difficult than securing employment as a police officer. The competition to become a firefighter is unbelievable, only a select few reach their goals. It takes passion, dedication and commitment to get hired.

Before you make your final decision I would encourage you to speak with police officers in the state in which you would like to work. Next speak to the firefighters. I'll bet you dollars to donuts (no pun intended) that you will find a very high satisfaction rating from the firefighterw while many of the police officers will tell you to become a firefighter.

Good luck with your decision. Either way you have a bright future. Thanks for making our country a safer palce.

Paul Lepore
Battalion Chief
www.aspiringfirefighters.com

[TrickyDik]

Thanks BCLepore. Overall I'm passionate about public safety as a whole. I've been asked many times which I thought more of, firefighting/emt or police. At the time I didn't know the answer, even after speaking to police officers and firefighters. I did ride alongs with both services. I did the police explorer program as well as a firefighting explorer program. I did all this in hopes one would jump out at me more than the other. It failed. Instead of helping me chose a path, it only added to confuse me. I ended up doing a Criminal Justice degree mainly because the Fire Science degree at my near by college was in the begining stages and I was weary of a sub-par education while the program was just starting out (after all, when you spend that much money you better get a good turn-out). When it came time for me to start thinking about applying for a job in either service I still had no idea which. That was one, among many, reasons I joined the Coast Guard. I knew that they were a sea going service in which I would be taught at sea emergency procedures for fire, flood, chemical attack and beyond. In the same sense I knew I'd be in a big Law Enforcement environment in regards to Illegal Immigration, Drug Running, Vessel Safety and more. I was hoping that by entering the Coast Guard and actually doing the work, one field would jump out more than another. Again it failed.

In the end I only want to be in public safety. It's the only field for me. I can even narrow it down to Police, Fire and EMT. Right now I have no loyalty to any of them. Overall though I have deep passion for it all thus far. Basicly I just want to make myself as prepared as possible for any of these choices. I have 2 more years to accomplish that and was hoping that I could get some advice on what, if anything, I could do to make myself that much more competitive for (since this is the firehouse forum) Firefighting/EMT? Even if I do become a police officer the things I do in the next couple years in regard to Firefighting could still prove to be useful should I become unsatisfied and start looking to leave law enforcement.

[BCLepore]

You have certainly done your homework as far as trying to decide which way to go. Here are some things you can do to prepare for a career in the fire service.

Two-Year Plan


This sample Firefighter two-year Plan was developed with input form Mike Sarjeant, a Captain on the Long Beach, California, Fire Department.


 If still in high school look into a Regional Occupational Program (ROP).

Many local fire departments have community outreach recruitment programs.

 Graduate from high school or obtain your GED.

A diploma is much preferred.

 Talk with a counselor at a community college that offers fire science courses.

Set up a course curriculum that allows you to obtain a two-year degree in fire science. If the local college does not offer a fire science program, find one that does.

This curriculum should also allow you to complete the prerequisite courses for a fire academy.

 Take an Emergency Medical Technician Course (EMT).

This will accomplish a few things. First of all, it is a course required by most departments. It will also let you know if this profession is for you. If you find you can’t handle the sight of blood or helping people during crises, the fire service may not be for you.

 Enroll in a state certified fire academy.

Many departments require completion of a Firefighter 1 Academy prior to taking the entry-level exam.

Completion of a fire academy prior to being hired will greatly enhance a candidate’s chance of successfully completing the fire department’s academy. Many fire departments have a 25 – 30% failure rate.


 Find out if your community has either a fire department volunteer program or Fire Explorers.


Volunteering in the fire department is an excellent way to gain real life experience. This exposure will also allow you to determine if this is indeed the right career choice for you.


 Volunteer in your community.

Find something that you are interested in and volunteer your time: church, sports, hospital, YMCA, Red Cross, etc. It doesn’t matter. Get involved. Volunteering is something that should be done because it’s the right thing to do, not because it will look good on a firefighter application.


Firefighters are self-motivated and have historically been involved in their communities. The perception is that if you are helping out in your community now, you will be the type who will likely continue to stay involved after you are hired, helping out in various committees and groups both on and off the job.

 Visit the local fire stations.

Interview the firefighters and elicit their help in planning your career path. It is a tremendous compliment to the firefighters to have someone aspire to be in their position. Visiting the fire stations will help you learn about the job and the culture of the fire service. In addition, you will learn of things that you could be doing to enhance your chances of getting hired. Ultimately, when the department hires, you will be in a good position since the firefighters have gotten to know you and have taken the time to mentor you. There is nothing better than a “home grown” prospect.

 Prepare for a fire department interview.

Consider the reasons why you want to become a firefighter and be able to express them. Do your research and learn the rules of the road concerning the interview process. Participate in “mock” interviews with firefighters.

 Start a log that includes everything you have done to prepare yourself.

Include details, dates, and names of instructors. Include any personal experiences that may be pertinent to becoming a firefighter.
A few examples of this could be:

You witnessed a car accident and were able to render aid.

You volunteered your time at the Boys and Girls club.


You experienced a life-changing event.

You were voted most inspirational on your athletic team or your fire academy.

Your high school athletic team won the championship.

You were a lifeguard at the city pool.

Anything that you think might be significant. There are no rules. Write it down!

This information will go on your resume, or may be speaking points in an interview. This is preparing you to answer difficult questions in an interview, such as, “Please share with the panel a stressful time in your life, and how you dealt with it.”

The log should just be an easy and accessible memory jogger for you. If you are comfortable with a pencil and notepad, keep them in your room in a convenient spot so you won’t forget to use them. If you are more comfortable on the computer, then use it to formulate your thoughts and ideas.

 Get in shape.

Firefighting is a very physical job requiring peak physical strength and endurance. If you are not in good physical condition, it will become very evident during the physical agility testing or the pre-hire medical exam. It is also important to look as if you are physically prepared for the job.

If you see a firefighter who looks out of shape, don’t look at him and think, “If he got hired, so can I!” Odds are he was in better physical condition when he was first hired. You are trying to do everything you can to improve your chances. This is a very important part that you have complete control over!

 Look the part!

The rule of thumb in an interview is to hire someone who you can see becoming a member or your crew tomorrow. A candidate who walks in with excessive facial hair, large tattoos or body piercing that is not permitted by the department’s policies presents as a candidate who is not ready for the position. Do not make the mistake of saying that you will remove them when you are ready to be hired. You are making a statement. It is important to understand that the fire department is a paramilitary organization. These will definitely not improve your chances of success.

 Dress professionally.
Invest in a suit and tie. Although not required for the interview, a candidate who does not wear one stands out. First impressions are critical. Make sure the suit is conservative, not flashy.

Dress professionally whenever you will have contact with members of the department. This includes station visits. Remember, it is important to make a good first impression.

 Enroll in a service that lets you know which departments are testing.

There are several businesses on the Internet that will inform you of which departments are testing and what their requirements are.

Most departments test every 2-3 years. They will then hire from the “eligibility list” until it expires. The window to file an application is usually very small, ranging from as short as 1 day to as long as 30 days. Once the filing period is closed, the department will not accept any more applications. If you don’t have a subscription to one these services, you will miss a lot of opportunities.

 Talk to your family.

The decision to become a firefighter is a monumental one. It will most likely be a long road that requires a lot of time and sacrifice. If you don’t have a family or friend support network, it will become extremely difficult. Most importantly, if your spouse does not support your decision, you are destined for failure.

 Surround yourself with reputable people.

A firefighter position is a life choice, not just a job. You must be prepared to live your life with excellent moral and ethical values. For this you will need the support of family and friends who are good role models. If your friends are not a positive influence in the community, you may want to find a new set of friends. Remember the old saying, “Birds of a feather flock together.” A background check will scrutinize not only you, but also the company you keep.

 Learn a trade.

Woodworking, framing, electrical, plumbing, welding and automotive are all common examples of a trade. Firefighting is a very physical job that requires good psychomotor skills and a hands-on approach. Typically those who have learned a trade possess these applicable job skills. If you know how a building is constructed, you will be able to predict how a fire will travel through it. If you know where the electrical and plumbing is typically run behind the drywall, you will most likely know where it would be safe to open it up. You will also have become very comfortable with power tools. The importance of being able to work with your hands cannot be overstated.

If you don’t currently have this kind of experience, start taking classes in a trade at your community college. You will at least learn the basics. Back this up with some real life practical experience. It will be invaluable knowledge and will play out well in an interview. Mechanical aptitude cannot be learned in an Internet class or while sitting behind a computer.

 Improve your public speaking skills.

If you are uncomfortable getting up in front of a group, you must take steps to overcome your fear. The largest percentage of the testing process is the interview, and ultimately a large part of the job deals with public speaking! You won’t talk a fire out, but you will talk to different groups about how to prevent them. If you can present yourself well in an interview, you are leaps and bounds ahead of the others who can’t. Even if the other candidates have more experience than you, the job will usually be awarded to the candidate who can present him or herself in a clear and concise manner.

If public speaking is your downfall, it is imperative to join Toastmasters or take some courses at your community college. A speech and debate class is an excellent way to get over the jitters. Acting or drama classes can also be an excellent way to feel more comfortable in front of a group.

Teaching others can also help you learn to think on your feet. Whether you are teaching CPR and First Aid or your local Sunday school class, it will help you learn to present information clearly and field questions.

A typical interview question might be, “What do you consider a weakness about yourself?” Your answer could be, “I used to feel uncomfortable getting up and speaking in front of a group. I knew this was a very important part of my chosen vocation. I took several classes at my community college to help improve my comfort level. Since then I feel much more confident in my ability to speak in public.”

You can have all of the best traits in the world, but if you can’t effectively convey them in an interview they will go unnoticed. Now that’s turning a negative into a positive!

 Maintain a clean driving and criminal record.

It goes without saying that firefighters are held to a standard that is much higher than the average citizen. The road is littered with firefighter candidates who have failed their background check due to a poor driving or criminal record.

 Maintain a good credit history.

Your credit history is a reflection of your reliability, honesty, organization and attention to detail.

 Update your resume.

Make sure your resume has no technical or grammatical errors, is well organized and comprehensive. Ask reliable friends or family to proofread it.


Good luck,
Paul Lepore
Battalion Chief
www.aspiringfirefighters.com

[FTMPTB15]

Here's an idea, why not do both? I know several Full-time Police Officers that are also Volunteer and/or Part-time Firefighters/EMTs. If there are part-time positions available locally that will work with your full-time schedule, then that's the route that I'd take. If that wouldn't work, then I'd try and find a busy volunteer department and get on there... that too will satisfy the firefighter/EMT side. See... now you can do all that you want, can't beat that!

[HawaiifiveO]

Hey tricky, there are still a few departments which are cross trained in both Police/Fire, Sunnyvale is one I have seen before. I am currently a Police Officer and have been for over 5 years now. I will be resigning at the end of July and I will be going to FF training for the next 9-10 months. I am really excited about it and haven't felt this for a while now. If you have a family or are uneasy about relocating then keep this in mind. I was born and raised in Hawaii and my family and I will be moving to Texas for the job.

If you have any questions with regards to the Police job, then email me and I will be pleased to let you "pick my brain."

Good luck to you.

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[TrickyDik]

BCLepore: Thanks for that 2 year plan guide. I see some things on there that I could certainly stand to gain from.

FTMPTB15: That is a very good idea and one that I have thought of myself. The only down-side I can see to working both jobs is becoming stressed out. Obviously that would not be good for my health nor would it be good for the community as I would be less effective as a public safety worker. I still think it's a really good idea, one would just have to find his/her balance in order to make sure you don't over extend your boundaries.

HawaiifiveO: I'm not aware of any departments in the Northeast that do cross-training like you speak of. However that would certainly be something that would peak my interest. Again, I'm going to be searching for a job in that area of the country in the begining only because I'm sort of "in love" with the MA, NH area. Not only did I grow up there but I've had the chance to live in other portions of the country during my enlistment and I feel that I'd be most happy if I were back in that area. However, it isn't entirely out of the question to look else where should the job market not be on my side.

DonSmithnotTMD: I know of Police Reserves but again I don't know of any departments in the area that I'll be looking at that has them. The other thing to consider is would there be a Police department that accepts Reserve Officers in the area that I would find a Firefighting position. None-the-less, Reserves is also a very good alternative and something I'll put down on my list of things to look for.

Thanks everyone. Some good thoughts, ideas, and information. If anyone else has anything they'd like to add please feel free. Thanks again.

[DonSmithnotTMD]

Bainbridge GA also has a public safety agency like this.

Another consideration is that many police agencies have reserves.

[FTMPTB15]

Another consideration is that many police agencies have reserves.

That's another good point, we have police reserves here. Also, Myrtle Beach, SC is a place that cross-trains Police/Firefighter.