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What Do Guys Consider When Choosing Between Departments?

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  • PWCCandidate
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    Originally posted by Aaron228 View Post

    I know several people that have left one department to go to another. Yeah maybe once is the most that someone should be doing that. But the "restarting a pension" Ummmm, no. At least in my neck of the woods almost all departments are on all in the same pension system, you're not restarting anything. Your time from one transfers to another. You can even buy pension time for time spent in the military or for time worked for another agency that is from a different pension system. Again, more reasons to not be picky.
    If you happen to only look at departments using the same state pension system. When looking at departments, I look at everywhere from Maine to Florida, with a few other states (like Indy).

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  • Boize208
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    Originally posted by JSJJ388 View Post

    Maybe thats crap where youre at, but around here thats a nice paycheck. If I could land a job making 50k, Id be tikckled pink! You can live and retire nicely on that.

    I guess some would say Im being picky, but Im not willing to move for a job. Not even a fire job. So Im limited to only departments within an hour of me. but I have a good job and have the time to wait for a good fit for me.
    Just depends where you look. Some places, 50k is pretty good living. Other places, like SoCal or northern Virginia, 50k isn't good at all.

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  • Aaron228
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    Originally posted by PWCCandidate View Post

    Yes, crap pay. I'm not talking about crap pay in the beginning, since that's a given, but I mean bad pay steps, and low maxes. Sure, you can keep department jumping...if you want to restart your pension years of service.

    Are you implying that people shouldn't consider salary for their department choice? Firefighters like to pay bills and enjoy retirement, too.
    I know several people that have left one department to go to another. Yeah maybe once is the most that someone should be doing that. But the "restarting a pension" Ummmm, no. At least in my neck of the woods almost all departments are on all in the same pension system, you're not restarting anything. Your time from one transfers to another. You can even buy pension time for time spent in the military or for time worked for another agency that is from a different pension system. Again, more reasons to not be picky.

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  • JSJJ388
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    Originally posted by PWCCandidate View Post

    It's decent, yeah. But I don't want to be just not strapped for cash. Why accept less pay for the same job?
    Youre still not listening. Find a dept that pays what you like and move on.

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  • PWCCandidate
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    Originally posted by JSJJ388 View Post

    I know exactly what it means. Youre not hearing me. Around here, thats decent pay. No, you wont be driving a Ferrari, but you wont be strapped for cash either.
    It's decent, yeah. But I don't want to be just not strapped for cash. Why accept less pay for the same job?

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  • JSJJ388
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    Originally posted by PWCCandidate View Post

    No, 50k cap. Meaning, the very end of the pay scale. Stuck in 40s most of your career.
    I know exactly what it means. Youre not hearing me. Around here, thats decent pay. No, you wont be driving a Ferrari, but you wont be strapped for cash either.

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  • PWCCandidate
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    Originally posted by JSJJ388 View Post

    Maybe thats crap where youre at, but around here thats a nice paycheck. If I could land a job making 50k, Id be tikckled pink! You can live and retire nicely on that.

    I guess some would say Im being picky, but Im not willing to move for a job. Not even a fire job. So Im limited to only departments within an hour of me. but I have a good job and have the time to wait for a good fit for me.
    No, 50k cap. Meaning, the very end of the pay scale. Stuck in 40s most of your career.

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  • JSJJ388
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    Originally posted by PWCCandidate View Post
    Now, you CAN retire with that, but it won't be comfortable. I just don't think firefighters should be exempt from wanting good pay. The good news is, plenty of departments DO pay well. Why would I NOT want to get paid more for the same job?
    Maybe thats crap where youre at, but around here thats a nice paycheck. If I could land a job making 50k, Id be tikckled pink! You can live and retire nicely on that.

    I guess some would say Im being picky, but Im not willing to move for a job. Not even a fire job. So Im limited to only departments within an hour of me. but I have a good job and have the time to wait for a good fit for me.

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  • PWCCandidate
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    Now, you CAN retire with that, but it won't be comfortable. I just don't think firefighters should be exempt from wanting good pay. The good news is, plenty of departments DO pay well. Why would I NOT want to get paid more for the same job?

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  • PWCCandidate
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    Originally posted by Hopeful_fireman View Post
    Crap pay to work 8-10 days a month, receive pension/retirement, have benefits, receive great training, ride in rigs that every little boy wants to be in and every guy/gal that?s testing with you would drop what theyre doing to accept that job. I can?t say it enough how difficult these jobs are to get. Look at these forums and how many people tested for 15-25 positions, that come around once a year. Take what you can get, gain experience and training and use that however you want, but being that stringent when it comes to these jobs will cut your chances down considerably.
    I get what you're saying, but this is your job for 20-30 years or more. If you cap out at 54k, doesn't really lead to a great retirement.

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  • Hopeful_fireman
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    Crap pay to work 8-10 days a month, receive pension/retirement, have benefits, receive great training, ride in rigs that every little boy wants to be in and every guy/gal that?s testing with you would drop what theyre doing to accept that job. I can?t say it enough how difficult these jobs are to get. Look at these forums and how many people tested for 15-25 positions, that come around once a year. Take what you can get, gain experience and training and use that however you want, but being that stringent when it comes to these jobs will cut your chances down considerably.

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  • PWCCandidate
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    Originally posted by Aaron228 View Post

    I get being picky for things like having to fly to apply, maybe someone only wants to live in a certain state or region, I get that. But crap pay, come on man, I know a handful of people that got their start on a crap paying department, used their time wisely and end up getting hired onto a better paying department. It is a lot easier to get a new fire job if you already have a fire job compared to just being picky. Heck, look at all the people that VOLUNTEER for free before they get a job somewhere.
    Yes, crap pay. I'm not talking about crap pay in the beginning, since that's a given, but I mean bad pay steps, and low maxes. Sure, you can keep department jumping...if you want to restart your pension years of service.

    Are you implying that people shouldn't consider salary for their department choice? Firefighters like to pay bills and enjoy retirement, too.

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  • Aaron228
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    Originally posted by PWCCandidate View Post

    Plenty of things could break it. Crap pay, terrible benefits, little room for advancement, terrible schedule.
    I get being picky for things like having to fly to apply, maybe someone only wants to live in a certain state or region, I get that. But crap pay, come on man, I know a handful of people that got their start on a crap paying department, used their time wisely and end up getting hired onto a better paying department. It is a lot easier to get a new fire job if you already have a fire job compared to just being picky. Heck, look at all the people that VOLUNTEER for free before they get a job somewhere.

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  • PWCCandidate
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    Originally posted by Aaron228 View Post

    Maybe I am lucky, but where I am at, every career department around here meets safety standards, pays well and treats their people well. So I'm not sure what standard you are looking for. What sort of standard would make or break a choice for you?

    Part of it is this Millennial thing, gotta have the best job ever or it won't work.
    Plenty of things could break it. Crap pay, terrible benefits, little room for advancement, terrible schedule.

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  • somebuffyguy
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    I think it really depends on OP's intention before we make any sort of judgement. If he isn't on a department yet and is being picky about applying to places locally, yes he is being foolish. However there are people spending thousands of dollars on plane tickets and taking time off work just to apply to some departments. If he's in that group, then yes he should be picky. Nobody can afford to make 2 or 3 plane trips every time a department is hiring.

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