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  • nmfire
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    Originally posted by OuchThatHurts View Post
    Wow i was expecting a little more maturity around these forums.
    Says you who also says....
    Originally posted by OuchThatHurts View Post
    By admitting to use of certain drugs, ill never even make it to a polygraph exam. This is the first time in my life that i actually think not telling the truth might be the correct move.
    Originally posted by OuchThatHurts View Post
    A buddy of mine from medic school was dishonest about his drug use on his polygraph exam for a nearby county and he passed with no issues. This makes me think that the exams arent as accurate as we think.




    Originally posted by OuchThatHurts View Post
    I'll assume that most people here arent as coarse as you.
    Haha. Let me know how that goes. Coming on this forum and asking a bunch of honest fireman how to lie in order to get a job due to your coke habit will probably not yield the desired result. I did give you a nice polite answer before you suggested continuing to lie.

    Firefighting is an EXTREMELY competitive career. When a single job opens up anywhere in the country, there are hundreds to thousands of applicants. And of them, there will be hundreds of people equally as qualified as you that didn't bake their youth away on drugs and didn't look for ways to lie and cheat the system in order to get hired. Why prey-tell would they choose you over them? I'm sorry, but again, those life decisions you aren't proud of are your decisions and you have to face the consequences of LIFE DECISIONS for the rest of your LIFE.

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  • OuchThatHurts
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  • nmfire
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    Originally posted by OuchThatHurts View Post
    By admitting to use of certain drugs, ill never even make it to a polygraph exam. This is the first time in my life that i actually think not telling the truth might be the correct move.

    I have no choice but to admit to using cocaine. I only tried it once but it landed me in the hospital, something that they will surely see when they request access to my medical records.
    Ok. Everyone in the forum, raise your hand if you would actually want this lying drugie to be the one your life relies on. Or the one your families life relies on. Or the one you want cooking your dinner.

    Anyone...

    Anyone...

    Bueler...

    I guess not.

    You screwed yourself. We don't want hard drug users. And we don't want liars.

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  • OuchThatHurts
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  • nmfire
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    Many places, drugs other than simple weed will be automatic disqualifiers. Some places they're more accepting of some drugs. Almost no places are are going to tolerate hard drugs like coke and heroin.

    You do need to be honest about it. And if you do lie, you will be caught in the poly. End of story. The choice is yours.

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  • OuchThatHurts
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  • Gadfly
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    Since this got bumped, here's the problem with drug use, especially habitual drug use. Fire fighting is inherently dangerous. Now, yes, the vast majority of the danger is mitigated by proper PPE, training, and command decisions. Hence why most deaths in the fire service are now caused by health issues (especially cardiac problems) or traffic accidents. However, Boston, 2007 is a perfect example of hiring people who have a continued, and more importantly recent, history of drug use.

    In 2007 a structure fire occurred after hours at a Chinese restaurant. Firefighters Payne and Cahill started an initial interior attack. What they did not know was that the fire had extended into the improperly cleaned ventilation system for the kitchen, which resulted in the ceiling collapsing on top of them, resulting in their deaths. Months later, and after mourning of the entire city (both of their funerals were given live coverage), the autopsy results were leaked. One had trace amounts of cocaine in his system and the other had at least twice the legal limit of alcohol (the actual lab results was 3 times, but about 0.7-0.8 could have been simple postmortem decay, hence at least 2 times the legal limit). Now, whether both having intoxicating agents in their systems changed the ultimate outcome, the result was a city turning from mourning and unqualified support for Boston Fire Department was the start of a lot of anger and mistrust.

    In the unlikely, but real, possibility that you end up dying while fighting a fire, is your department going to run the risk that your autopsy is going to be less than flattering with the tox screen?

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  • GTRider245
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    Originally posted by lebryan22 View Post
    dinon03 As far as people saying that no Fire Dept. will hire you ..that is very un-true there are private fire depts that run there own physical test/aptitude test and questionnaires...your in GA... I was a firefighter in GA for 2.5 years until i moved to dc email me and ill give u some info..man let me tell u never give up on your dream no matter what anyone says [email protected]
    This "list" of private fire departments in Georgia should be interesting.

    And since you revived this one, I will give my input. As someone who decided early on (middle school) that I wanted to be a firefighter, I have no sympathy for those that chose to make the wrong choices. There are plenty of us out there who made the right ones, and if by believing that these people should take priority over the ones who didn't makes me a square, then so be it.

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  • lebryan22
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    dinon03 As far as people saying that no Fire Dept. will hire you ..that is very un-true there are private fire depts that run there own physical test/aptitude test and questionnaires...your in GA... I was a firefighter in GA for 2.5 years until i moved to dc email me and ill give u some info..man let me tell u never give up on your dream no matter what anyone says [email protected]
    Last edited by lebryan22; 05-16-2011, 01:20 AM.

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  • simpllyhuge
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    Originally posted by OHFirestopper View Post
    exactly, no one wants to work with a bunch of squares who have never even jay walked in their lifetime.
    well I don't agree with this at all.
    Last edited by simpllyhuge; 04-11-2011, 02:03 AM.

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  • OHFirestopper
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    Originally posted by BoxAlarm187 View Post
    I'd rather work with a "square" (what decade is this anyway?) than someone who openly admits to continued use of pot and occasional use of cocaine. I'm glad that I didn't have to decide which departments I was going to apply to based on whether or not they give a polygraph or not.
    Well boxalarm you could pass a polygraph, but I don't think you could pass a spelling test... What is "privilged?" lol I'm just messing with you.

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  • jeffrobombero
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    Well said FWDbuff...

    Unfortunately, there are many of us who didn't make the same choices as you. For some, like me, it was a big mistake in my past, but for me, it is/was in my past.
    I have grown up, put that idiocy behind me. I am married now, and raising a family in the Christian faith. That alone, it seems, doesn't fit with the fire service either.
    I have learned from my mistakes, have forgiven myself and can forgive others too. So long as it is clearly in the past. I don't even drink anymore.
    By the endless grace of God, there I go. Some fine folks in the fireservice have made the decision that I am not that person anymore and just might be taking a chance on me. I know I am in good company, with many others who are as "square" as you are too.
    The thing about this poster to me is that he wants to have his party and his cake too. If it is truly something behind him, then he needs to put some years in between to show that it is just that. From his posts, I don't see it, and he certainly doesn't show remorse or regret. It's been almost 20 years since my partying days, and although I didn't do the nose candy or anything considered to be a dependency drug, I was not choir boy.
    I think we all have our demons to face at some point. It just depends upon how you get past them.
    The original poster needs some time to reflect and find out how bad he really wants it. He's going to have to separate his old life from the life he wants now and that should take years.
    I was once like him. Fresh out of that lifestyle and thought I was all that. Thinking of ways to be devious and find the loopholes. Thank God I didn't get anything back then. I would be a joke of a PO or FF, would have not had the maturity I do now and would find myself (especially as a PO) in situations that I don't know how I would have handled back then.
    I've taken my share of criticism for my past and been shot down for many things. I gave up for better of a decade and relegated my life to something else entirely. Ain't no shame in that.
    But I made a personal decision to follow Christ, another decade has passed, I started volunteering and that feeling of service welled up again. 20 years later and I'm waiting for the call, and I am very humbled by the fact that I got a second chance.
    If this guy makes some tough choices and truly changes, he probably deserves a second chance too, but that's not his call, my call or anyone else's call besides those folks who will evaluate him. I hope for their sake, they make the right decision and for his sake, he has a big helping of humble pie and has truly stepped into a new, clean life, and is honest and forthrightabout everything. But he needs to move on right now and put some years of upright living between now and then.

    Thanks for your service FWD. If I make it to the badge, I hope that I am one that you wouldn't have regrets about hiring if it were with your department.

    Thanks.

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  • OHFirestopper
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    Originally posted by FWDbuff View Post
    You know what....I was going to bow out gracefully with my previous post of telling the kid that if he made it I would buy him a beer. But your statement is such complete and total bullschit that I had to comment.

    I was raised by my parents to be a law-abiding citizen, to have a good work ethic and earn my keep in the world. To respect my elders, and others in general. To be an honest person and loyal to my friends and family. I have never, ever one time allowed an illegal narcotic to enter my body, ever. When I was younger I do admit to some frivoulous consumption of alcohol, but always had arrangements for a DD, or to stay on the premises where we were consuming (like if we were camping, or at a friends house after a party.....) I'll even admit to some occasional drag racing as I hung out with a lot of motor heads and horsepower was our thing- that was our drug- thats what got us high. Not pot, not cocaine. But we were all firefighters- we knew the dangers of speed (as in MPH) and we took it in moderation. Occasionally we got caught, and the cops would just smack our wrists and threaten to tell our folks.

    As for the drinking, whenever we would, we would ALWAYS consider ourselves "out of service." We never responded to any calls, because we believed in total clearance of the mind above all things- we did not want alcohol clogging our perception and judgement. Which is still a mantra I believe in to this day. It is my responsibility to be there for my brother firefighters first and foremost, above all else. I need to be there to do whatever I can to help them if they ever get into trouble. And goddammit that also means they had better be there for me if god forbid my azz ever gets into a precarious position.

    If you azzholes want to smoke that ****, snort that crap, push it into your veins, or whatever else it is that you do, so be it. Do whatever. Just as long as you dont try to pollute the fire service by trying to get employed. And for those of you that have unfortunately made it past the hiring process, I only hope that you have stopped all drug use. And if you still happen to be using, I can only hope that you never get yourself or one of your co-workers hurt. The fire service is already polluted with enough azzholes using dope and alcohol, we dont need anymore. I wish every department across the country would enact mandatory drug testing- clear house, get rid of all the dope heads. You dont know me and I dont know you. The safety, health and morale of people potentially under my charge comes first and foremost above all else. If that means being viewed by outsiders as a "square" then don't apply. Newsflash: Many of the Fire Officers in this area all maintain the same attitude and views that I have. Zero Tolerance.

    I never have, and never will need an illegal narcotic to get high. So if never having taken an illegal narcotic makes me a "square", then so be it.
    This thread got started by a habitual drug user, almost everyone on here would agree that it's a shot in the dark for him to get a job in the fire service. However what everyone else is trying to argue is that most places will not disqualify you if you have minor past drug use in the past (atleast 3-5 years ago, or if you were a minor). I'm pretty sure that most people in the fire service that have past drug use weren't shooting things into their veins, most have done minor drugs such as pot. If a dept is going to pass someone up on the list because of minor drugs many years ago and hire someone further down on the list than so be it. If the department wants to hire someone not as smart and further down on the list only because they haven't tried any drugs in their lifetime than they should note on their application that any past drug use will disqualify them. Every department has their own standards on drugs. Apparently in "Pee-ayy" they don't tolerate anything. There are many other great departments out there that will overlook minor drug use. The person that started this thread is going to need many years of being clean and a miracle to even have a shot in most departments.

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  • FWDbuff
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    Originally posted by OHFirestopper View Post
    exactly, no one wants to work with a bunch of squares who have never even jay walked in their lifetime.
    You know what....I was going to bow out gracefully with my previous post of telling the kid that if he made it I would buy him a beer. But your statement is such complete and total bullschit that I had to comment.

    I was raised by my parents to be a law-abiding citizen, to have a good work ethic and earn my keep in the world. To respect my elders, and others in general. To be an honest person and loyal to my friends and family. I have never, ever one time allowed an illegal narcotic to enter my body, ever. When I was younger I do admit to some frivoulous consumption of alcohol, but always had arrangements for a DD, or to stay on the premises where we were consuming (like if we were camping, or at a friends house after a party.....) I'll even admit to some occasional drag racing as I hung out with a lot of motor heads and horsepower was our thing- that was our drug- thats what got us high. Not pot, not cocaine. But we were all firefighters- we knew the dangers of speed (as in MPH) and we took it in moderation. Occasionally we got caught, and the cops would just smack our wrists and threaten to tell our folks.

    As for the drinking, whenever we would, we would ALWAYS consider ourselves "out of service." We never responded to any calls, because we believed in total clearance of the mind above all things- we did not want alcohol clogging our perception and judgement. Which is still a mantra I believe in to this day. It is my responsibility to be there for my brother firefighters first and foremost, above all else. I need to be there to do whatever I can to help them if they ever get into trouble. And goddammit that also means they had better be there for me if god forbid my azz ever gets into a precarious position.

    If you azzholes want to smoke that ****, snort that crap, push it into your veins, or whatever else it is that you do, so be it. Do whatever. Just as long as you dont try to pollute the fire service by trying to get employed. And for those of you that have unfortunately made it past the hiring process, I only hope that you have stopped all drug use. And if you still happen to be using, I can only hope that you never get yourself or one of your co-workers hurt. The fire service is already polluted with enough azzholes using dope and alcohol, we dont need anymore. I wish every department across the country would enact mandatory drug testing- clear house, get rid of all the dope heads. You dont know me and I dont know you. The safety, health and morale of people potentially under my charge comes first and foremost above all else. If that means being viewed by outsiders as a "square" then don't apply. Newsflash: Many of the Fire Officers in this area all maintain the same attitude and views that I have. Zero Tolerance.

    I never have, and never will need an illegal narcotic to get high. So if never having taken an illegal narcotic makes me a "square", then so be it.

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  • nmfire
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    Originally posted by dinon03 View Post
    how are you even smart enough to be a fire fighter?
    Well, mostly by not doing coke.

    Originally posted by dinon03 View Post
    i said i am going to be honest
    Yep. But only on the ones with a polygraph where your lying would be uncovered. What's your point?

    Originally posted by dinon03 View Post
    and ive looked at the applications that dont have polys and most dont ask about drug usage
    Yea see how that goes. McDonald's asks about drug usage. I'm pretty sure a job where lives could hang in your hands will ask if you've done drugs at some point in the application process. If you think they won't, your even less qualified than I originally thought.

    Originally posted by dinon03 View Post
    and if they do i will be honest...
    Right. If there is a polygraph. If not, you'll lie, which is the entire purpose of this thread you started.

    Originally posted by dinon03 View Post
    i will def not be applying at your fire dept
    Thank god.

    Originally posted by simpllyhuge View Post
    This is such bull.
    What? That we don't want a lying crackhead in the fire service? Have another snort.

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