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    Hello everyone my name is Sean, im 24 years old and am having a problem finding a fire job anywhere. I have my firefighter I and II as well as EMT-B along with many other classes I have taken. I also am getting ready to graduate from college with my bachelors degree. I am wondering what else I can do to make myself appealing to departments to hire. any advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks again

  • #2
    Originally posted by theswanman54 View Post
    Hello everyone my name is Sean, im 24 years old and am having a problem finding a fire job anywhere. I have my firefighter I and II as well as EMT-B along with many other classes I have taken. I also am getting ready to graduate from college with my bachelors degree. I am wondering what else I can do to make myself appealing to departments to hire. any advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks again
    Isaiah 43:1-2

    1 But now, this is what the LORD says—
    he who created you, Jacob,
    he who formed you, Israel:
    “Do not fear, for I have redeemed you;
    I have summoned you by name; you are mine.
    2 When you pass through the waters,
    I will be with you;
    and when you pass through the rivers,
    they will not sweep over you.
    When you walk through the fire,
    you will not be burned;
    the flames will not set you ablaze.


    • #3
      Where are you looking for a job at? Have you applied to any departments? Do you know where you want to work?


      • #4
        I have applied to Denver and the Colorado region. I also applied for a bunch of departments in Missouri where I live close to Kansas City but cant seem to get in anywhere. I have no ties anywhere so Im looking to go where ever I can get a job at I thought about the east coast or midwest. I really would like to be on a big city fire department but Im more than happy to work my way up to a big city.


        • #5
          Originally posted by theswanman54 View Post
          I have applied to Denver and the Colorado region. I also applied for a bunch of departments in Missouri where I live close to Kansas City but cant seem to get in anywhere. I have no ties anywhere so Im looking to go where ever I can get a job at I thought about the east coast or midwest. I really would like to be on a big city fire department but Im more than happy to work my way up to a big city.

          Check this out.



          • #6
            Apply apply apply

            Beyond paramedic not much except get on a volunteer dept




            • #7

              and define a big city fire department for me? everyone always has a different view of this.


              • #8
                Well a "big city" fire department in my eyes is a major city in a state for instance Missouri we have Kansas City and St. Louis I use the term big city kinda loosely.


                • #9
                  While every department has different entry level requirements, the following is a great example of what I recommend a candidate should do to get hired.

                  Two-Year Plan

                  If still in high school look into a Regional Occupational Program
                  Many local fire departments have community outreach recruitment
                  Graduate from high school or obtain your GED.
                  A diploma is much preferred.
                  Talk with a counselor at a community college that offers fire science
                  Set up a course curriculum that allows you to obtain a two-year degree in
                  fire science. If the local college does not offer a fire science program, find
                  one that does.
                  This curriculum should also allow you to complete the prerequisite courses
                  for a fire academy.

                  Take an Emergency Medical Technician Course (EMT).
                  This will accomplish a few things. First of all, it is a course required by most
                  departments. It will also let you know if this profession is for you. If you find
                  you can’t handle the sight of blood or helping people during crises, the fire
                  service may not be for you.

                  Enroll in a state certified fire academy.
                  Many departments require completion of a Firefighter 1 Academy prior to
                  taking the entry-level exam.
                  Completion of a fire academy prior to being hired will greatly enhance
                  a candidate’s chance of successfully completing the fire department’s
                  academy. Many fire departments have a 25-30% failure rate.
                  Find out if your community has either a fire department volunteer
                  program or Fire Explorers.
                  Volunteering in the fire department is an excellent way to gain real life
                  experience. This exposure will also allow you to determine if this is
                  indeed the right career choice for you.

                  Volunteer in your community.
                  Find something that you are interested in and volunteer your time:
                  church, sports, hospital, YMCA, Red Cross, etc. It doesn’t matter.
                  Get involved. Volunteering is something that should be done because
                  it’s the right thing to do, not because it will look good on a firefighter
                  application. Firefighters are self-motivated and have historically been involved in
                  their communities. The perception is that if you are helping out in your
                  community now, you will be the type who will likely continue to stay
                  involved after you are hired, helping out in various committees and
                  groups both on and off the job.

                  Visit the local fire stations.
                  Interview the firefighters and elicit their help in planning your career
                  path. It is a tremendous compliment to the firefighters to have someone
                  aspire to be in their position. Visiting the fire stations will help you learn
                  about the job and the culture of the fire service. In addition, you will
                  learn of things that you could be doing to enhance your chances of
                  getting hired. Ultimately, when the department hires, you will be in a
                  good position since the firefighters have gotten to know you and have
                  taken the time to mentor you. There is nothing better than a “home
                  grown” prospect.

                  Prepare for a fire department interview.
                  Consider the reasons why you want to become a firefighter and be
                  able to express them. Do your research and learn the rules of the road
                  concerning the interview process. Participate in “mock” interviews with
                  Start a log that includes everything you have done to prepare yourself.
                  Include details, dates and names of instructors. Include any personal
                  experiences that may be pertinent to becoming a firefighter.
                  A few examples of this could be:
                  You witnessed a car accident and were able to render aid.
                  You volunteered your time at the Boys and Girls Club.
                  You experienced a life-changing event.
                  You were voted most inspirational on your athletic team or your fire
                  Your high school athletic team won the championship.
                  You were a lifeguard at the city pool.
                  Anything that you think might be significant. There are no rules. Write
                  it down!
                  This information will go on your resume, or may be speaking points in
                  an interview. This is preparing you to answer difficult questions in an
                  interview, such as, “Please share with the panel a stressful time in your
                  life and how you dealt with it.”
                  The log should just be an easy and accessible memory jogger for you. If
                  you are comfortable with a pencil and notepad, keep them in your room
                  in a convenient spot so you won’t forget to use them. If you are more
                  comfortable on the computer, then use it to formulate your thoughts
                  and ideas.

                  Get in shape.
                  Firefighting is a very physical job requiring peak physical strength and
                  endurance. If you are not in good physical condition, it will become very
                  evident during the physical ability testing or the pre-hire medical exam. It
                  is also important to look as if you are physically prepared for the job.
                  If you see a firefighter who looks out of shape, don’t look at him and
                  think, “If he got hired, so can I!” Odds are he was in better physical
                  condition when he was first hired. You are trying to do everything you
                  can to improve your chances. This is a very important part that you
                  have complete control over.
                  Look the part!
                  The rule of thumb in an interview is to hire someone who you can see
                  becoming a member of your crew tomorrow. A candidate who walks
                  in with excessive facial hair, large tattoos or body piercing that is not
                  permitted by the department’s policies presents as a candidate who
                  is not ready for the position. Do not make the mistake of saying that
                  you will remove them when you are ready to be hired. You are making
                  a statement. It is important to understand that the fire department is a
                  paramilitary organization. These will definitely not improve your chances
                  of success.

                  Dress professionally.
                  Invest in a suit and tie. Although not required for the interview, a
                  candidate who does not wear one stands out. First impressions are
                  critical. Make sure the suit is conservative, not flashy.
                  Dress professionally whenever you will have contact with members of
                  the department. This includes station visits. Remember, it is important
                  to make a good first impression.

                  Enroll in a service that lets you know which departments are testing.
                  There are several businesses on the Internet that will inform you of
                  which departments are testing and what their requirements are.
                  Most departments test every two to three years. They will then hire from
                  the “eligibility list” until it expires. The window to file an application is
                  usually very small, ranging from as short as one day to as long as 30
                  days. Once the filing period is closed, the department will not accept
                  any more applications. If you don’t have a subscription to one of these
                  services, you will miss a lot of opportunities.

                  Talk to your family.
                  The decision to become a firefighter is a monumental one. It will most
                  likely be a long road that requires a lot of time and sacrifice. If you don’t
                  have a family or friend support network, it will become extremely difficult.
                  Most importantly, if your spouse does not support your decision, you
                  are destined for failure.
                  Surround yourself with reputable people.
                  A firefighter position is a life choice, not just a job. You must be prepared
                  to live your life with excellent moral and ethical values. For this you will
                  need the support of family and friends who are good role models. If your
                  friends are not a positive influence in the community, you may want to
                  find a new set of friends. Remember the old saying, “Birds of a feather
                  flock together.” A background check will scrutinize not only you, but also
                  the company you keep.

                  Learn a trade.
                  Woodworking, framing, electrical, plumbing, welding and automotive are
                  all common examples of a trade. Firefighting is a very physical job that
                  requires good psychomotor skills and a hands-on approach. Typically
                  those who have learned a trade possess these applicable job skills. If
                  you know how a building is constructed, you will be able to predict how
                  a fire will travel through it. If you know where the electrical and plumbing
                  is typically run behind the drywall, you will most likely know where it
                  would be safe to open it up. You will also have become very comfortable
                  with power tools. The importance of being able to work with your hands
                  cannot be overstated.

                  If you don’t currently have this kind of experience, start taking classes
                  in a trade at your community college. You will at least learn the
                  basics. Back this up with some real life practical experience. It will be
                  invaluable knowledge and will play out well in an interview. Mechanical
                  aptitude cannot be learned in an Internet class or while sitting behind
                  a computer.

                  Improve your public speaking skills.
                  If you are uncomfortable getting up in front of a group, you must take
                  steps to overcome your fear. The largest percentage of the testing
                  process is the interview and ultimately a large part of the job deals with
                  public speaking! You won’t talk a fire out, but you will talk to different
                  groups about how to prevent them. If you can present yourself well in
                  an interview, you are leaps and bounds ahead of the others who can’t.
                  Even if the other candidates have more experience than you, the job
                  will usually be awarded to the candidate who can present him or herself
                  in a clear and concise manner.

                  If public speaking is your downfall, it is imperative to join Toastmasters
                  or take some courses at your community college. A speech and debate
                  class is an excellent way to get over the jitters. Acting or drama classes
                  can also be an excellent way to feel more comfortable in front of a

                  Teaching others can also help you learn to think on your feet. Whether
                  you are teaching CPR and First Aid or your local Sunday school class,
                  it will help you learn to present information clearly and field questions.
                  A typical interview question might be, “What do you consider a weakness
                  about yourself?” Your answer could be, “I used to feel uncomfortable
                  getting up and speaking in front of a group. I knew this was a very
                  important part of my chosen vocation. I took several classes at my
                  community college to help improve my comfort level. Since then I feel
                  much more confident in my ability to speak in public.”

                  You can have all of the best traits in the world, but if you can’t effectively
                  convey them in an interview they will go unnoticed. Now that’s turning
                  a negative into a positive!

                  Maintain a clean driving and criminal record.
                  It goes without saying that firefighters are held to a standard that is
                  much higher than the average citizen. The road is littered with firefighter
                  candidates who have failed their background check due to a poor driving
                  or criminal record.

                  Maintain a good credit history.
                  Your credit history is a reflection of your reliability, honesty, organization
                  and attention to detail.

                  Update your resume.
                  Make sure your resume has no technical or grammatical errors, is well
                  organized and comprehensive. Ask reliable friends or family to proofread

                  Improve your Education
                  Got to school! Earn your Associates degree. If you already have one consider earning your Master’s degree. You must understand that many Chief Officers either are currently working on a Bachelors, had one when they started in the fire service, or earned one while working as a firefighter. You are in a bad position when asked about your educational plan and you do not have one.
                  Recruit fire academies are very academically challenging. You must have the academic background to make us believe that you can read technical information one night and be tested on it the next day. Additionally, we are looking for people who we can send to Paramedic or Hazardous Materials School. The more education you have, the better chance you will have of making it through tough academic programs.

                  Consider Becoming a Paramedic
                  A paramedic license will absolutely help you stand above the competition on most fire departments. DO NOT go to paramedic school just because you think it will help you get hired. Go because you like running EMS calls and would like to better be able to treat sick people.
                  Paramedic school is very tough. Do not go unless you are a very strong EMT and are ready!
                  Paul Lepore
                  Division Chief


                  • #10
                    The degree will help you. How far have have you made it? Have you made it to an interview? I know of guys that have applied for my department 5-7 seven times. Had one guys hired this year that had applied 12 times. Make a list of places that you would like to work, then start testing. Some guys will tell you that being a medic will help, but that just depends on the department you are testing for. It definitly won't hurt to become a medic. You might also look at the south. I know my department has hired 70 firefighters last year and 30 this year (maybe another 15-20 this year). We have over 100 that can retire in January.


                    • #11
                      I graduate in may with a degree in crisis and disaster management with an emphasis in hazardous materials. and I haven't made it to any interviews I score high on the test but no one is either hiring or they want just paramedics. And thats a lot that can retire we have 2 battalion chiefs that could retire now which would make room for people to move up but they have a cake job so they just want to make the city push them out.


                      • #12
                        Has anyone ever heard of someone being over qualified for a job? One of my captains at my volunteer department said I was over qualified to get a job because I take classes here and there for the knowledge and have more "qualifications" than he does.


                        • #13
                          Do you have a clean record?


                          • #14
                            I think you know the answer to your question “no one is either hiring or they want just paramedics.” This is simple, either find a department that is hiring or become a paramedic. Expand the area in which you are applying. What your volunteer Capt said is B.S. If you are apply for a “Big City Department” then you are not “over qualified.” Chief Lepore gives some great advice a few posts ago. I would follow his advice and keep testing. Sometimes there is no rhyme or reason as to who gets an interview and who doesn’t.


                            • #15
                              Yes I have a clean record nothing but a speeding ticket on there and I thought his advice was BS as well but he is the captain so I kinda had ta listen to him and yes I think that Chief Lepore's advice is some of the best I have gotten so far from everyone I have talked to


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