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  • WVfire12
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    I can barely stand wearing one hood. I can't imagine using 2...

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  • fireman4949
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    Originally posted by GTRider245 View Post
    that was the first intelligent post of this entire thread. And I completly agree. The only time we ever wear two hoods is during training, in a controlled enviorment, where you know you aren't in any real danger.
    Not in any real danger?

    One of the biggest problems I see with LFT is attitudes such as this.

    Live fire training, even in a "controlled environment" such as a fixed burn facility, is the most dangerous of any training that a fire department can conduct. The potential for a serious injury, or worse is greater during LFT than in virtually any other type of training scenario a department could engage in.

    Conditions can change in an instant, mistakes can still be made, unforeseen circumstances can rear their ugly heads, and what was originally a "routine" training exercise can suddenly become a catastrophic incident. Not at all unlike what happens in "real world" firefighting.

    Changing the mindset of those that think that ANY fire is truly a controlled environment is the first step in reducing the number of injuries and deaths from live fire training.

    So far as the wearing of two hoods goes. I can't see it...Ever.
    In training, if you need two hoods to protect yourself, your training in far too dangerous conditions.
    If you wear two hoods at a structure fire, your putting yourself in danger of not being able to react quickly enough to changing conditions within the structure.

    I wear only one (good quality) hood, and I do not use helmet ear flaps. I can feel when fire conditions begin to change, and if I feel that I'm starting to get blistered, I either get lower, or I get out.
    Too many firefighters these days it seems, are afraid to feel any heat at all. They have to realize their ears can be used for more than just listening in a fire.




    Kevin

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  • somebody509
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    Originally posted by callaway75 View Post
    Seems a bit backward's to me. Why on earth would you wear two hoods during training? Then again, why on earth would you ever wear two hoods? The replies to the original post have been mostly made jokingly because wearing two hoods is just that, a joke?
    I agree. Theres no need to wear two hoods in any situation. As for a live burn being a "controlled environment" I think thats almost as much of a joke as wearing two hoods. There are pleanty of live burn injuries, and deaths each year, as someone above me recently pointed out.

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  • callaway75
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    what?

    Originally posted by GTRider245 View Post
    that was the first intelligent post of this entire thread. And I completly agree. The only time we ever wear two hoods is during training, in a controlled enviorment, where you know you aren't in any real danger.
    Seems a bit backward's to me. Why on earth would you wear two hoods during training? Then again, why on earth would you ever wear two hoods? The replies to the original post have been mostly made jokingly because wearing two hoods is just that, a joke?

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  • 231Engine
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    Originally posted by GTRider245 View Post
    that was the first intelligent post of this entire thread. And I completly agree. The only time we ever wear two hoods is during training, in a controlled enviorment, where you know you aren't in any real danger.

    What? I don't wear two hoods, but where have you been? There are MANY examles of firefighters injured or killed in live fire training. Here are a few stories connected with a recent example.

    http://cms.firehouse.com/content/art...Id=39&id=53461

    http://cms.firehouse.com/content/art...9&sectionId=46

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  • GTRider245
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    Originally posted by firefighter1962 View Post
    I’ll try to help you out here. The reason I where only one hood is so that I can get a gauge on how hot it is within the compartment. When I can a feel for the temperature, it’s one of the tools I use to recognize conditions and when I need to manage the hot gases above my head (i.e. advance quicker, advance cautiously, get ready to retreat, etc).

    Stay Safe
    that was the first intelligent post of this entire thread. And I completly agree. The only time we ever wear two hoods is during training, in a controlled enviorment, where you know you aren't in any real danger.

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  • 1835Wayne
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    IT NEVER STOPS...............................


    Two hoods are just not needed.


    Read FF 1 and 2. It will answer most of these questions.

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  • randsc
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    Attempting to be understanding...

    ...and offer a real answer.

    If you needed a double thickness of nomex (or carbon fiber, whatever) don't you think that hoods would be made with a double thickness of material?
    Last edited by randsc; 02-16-2007, 10:29 AM. Reason: to remove prophylactic analogy inappropriate for juniors

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  • jerry4184
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    There is a bit of a disagreement amongst some, but I see no reason to wear two hoods at all. You need to know when it's getting hot. Not being able to radily feel the heat, can do you in, as it's harder to tell when the environment is changing. I wear one hood, and that's more than enough protection for me. Other people don't wear one, and they do fine. Just do what your SOP's say.

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  • t0asty
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    Ok... Just because I am an explorer (and only for a short amount of time), can someone give me a good reason for wearing two hoods. All I have thought of is heat maybe.

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  • firefighter1962
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    I’ll try to help you out here. The reason I where only one hood is so that I can get a gauge on how hot it is within the compartment. When I can a feel for the temperature, it’s one of the tools I use to recognize conditions and when I need to manage the hot gases above my head (i.e. advance quicker, advance cautiously, get ready to retreat, etc).

    Stay Safe

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  • KEEPBACK200FEET
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    Originally posted by Firefighter2230 View Post
    please



    you forgot to put on your paul conway heritage (composite and leather helmet ) and then over everything else put on the proximity suit
    Dangit, good thing this is the Junior forum and we're not actually going into fire's on this forum or I might would have gotten burned!

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  • Firefighter2230
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    Originally posted by KEEPBACK200FEET View Post
    I actually have several preferences when it comes to having multiple layers of protection. First, I like to wear my bunker pants then pull my 3/4 boots up over the legs. Second, If its a really big fire, then I'll throw my long coat over my bunker coat also. Third, If I'm doing roof work, I'll put my safety glasses on, then put my mask on, then put 4 inch shield down then complain because something might fly under it. Finally, I wear a coat of mail under my nomex hood for ultimate protection. What? I'm a "Safety Suzy".
    please



    you forgot to put on your paul conway heritage (composite and leather helmet ) and then over everything else put on the proximity suit

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  • KEEPBACK200FEET
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    I actually have several preferences when it comes to having multiple layers of protection. First, I like to wear my bunker pants then pull my 3/4 boots up over the legs. Second, If its a really big fire, then I'll throw my long coat over my bunker coat also. Third, If I'm doing roof work, I'll put my safety glasses on, then put my mask on, then put 4 inch shield down then complain because something might fly under it. Finally, I wear a coat of mail under my nomex hood for ultimate protection. What? I'm a "Safety Suzy".

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  • Jonnee
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    I have a hood for my mini me.

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