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  • jrscvfs
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    Originally posted by SWLAFireDawg View Post
    Is the air service a function of the local paid ambulance service?

    And if so, do they just let you run out and flag them down any ole place or is there a class you must attend where they school you on proper communications and requirements for safe landing operations.

    the ones here are part of the hospitals in the state

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  • tbonetrexler
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    Originally posted by SWLAFireDawg View Post
    Is the air service a function of the local paid ambulance service?
    Here there are two private choppers in the State, but mostly we use the Delaware State Police Medivac choppers. Kent Center (dispatch) gives them the coordinates when they respond, and when they are in the area, they contact command so we can inform them of where exactly the LZ is going to be set up.

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  • SWLAFireDawg
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    Originally posted by ElectricHoser View Post
    Depends on the service. Sometimes yes, sometimes, no.


    So far my experience is that the air services prefer to teach/certify LZ personnel directly with their own pilots and medics. If I was a pilot, I would not be interested in landing where someone just ran out and flagged me down.

    Just as the fire IC can choose to suspend any and all operations to protect his crew, the pilot's first priority is the safety of [b]his[/i] crew and can choose to not land for any reason (including clueless LZ officers).

    I was referring to the operating area of the original poster.

    But that was a good informational post. We use Acadian Ambulance Service, and it is as you described. They give us the class, and if we get on the radio with them and we aren't on their list, they won't land on our orders. In good visibility though, they usually land themselves in open fields.

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  • ElectricHoser
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    Originally posted by SWLAFireDawg View Post
    Is the air service a function of the local paid ambulance service?
    Depends on the service. Sometimes yes, sometimes, no.

    Originally posted by SWLAFireDawg View Post
    And if so, do they just let you run out and flag them down any ole place or is there a class you must attend where they school you on proper communications and requirements for safe landing operations.
    So far my experience is that the air services prefer to teach/certify LZ personnel directly with their own pilots and medics. If I was a pilot, I would not be interested in landing where someone just ran out and flagged me down.

    Just as the fire IC can choose to suspend any and all operations to protect his crew, the pilot's first priority is the safety of [b]his[/i] crew and can choose to not land for any reason (including clueless LZ officers).

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  • SWLAFireDawg
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    Originally posted by jrscvfs View Post
    just wonderin, how many of yall assist on life flight or some fom of air med-vac. we have a landin field less than half a mile from the station so we're there evrytime!
    Is the air service a function of the local paid ambulance service?

    And if so, do they just let you run out and flag them down any ole place or is there a class you must attend where they school you on proper communications and requirements for safe landing operations.

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  • the1141man
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    Originally posted by nmfire View Post
    The enlightened one speaks....
    I can only imagine the fun that ensues for his engineers and officers when he's riding in to a scene...

    (Beavis as Cornholio-type voice)
    "OMG OMFG!! FIRE FIRE!! Cool! Arewethereyet? CanIhonktheairhorn?!?! DoIgetaradio? CanItalktodispatch??? Arewethereyet?! Whycan'twegofaster!!!!! OMG thisissocool!!!!!!!!"

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  • nmfire
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    I suppose i could answer the question now that I've had my fun...

    We setup landing zones in accordance with the helicopter's guidelines. They want (i think) 70x100ft of open space and an standing by. In the daytime we use cones to mark the LZ. At night, we have landing zone strobes. We don't have roads big enough here but there are plenty of fields.

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  • randsc
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    I like helicopters myself. But please keep in mind that life flights, more than anything else we do in the fire service, even dwelling fires, mean that someone is having the worst day of their life.

    So keeping a lid on your enthusiasm would be a good thing.

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  • backsteprescue
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    HAHA

    BTW, some medevac choppers DO have winches on them.

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  • nmfire
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    Originally posted by t0asty View Post
    It is a helicopter it can land just about anywhere and hover. Which is why I think they should incorperate hoists into medivac helis like the Coast Guards. That way you don't need to land. Though hovering is a pain in the as$.
    The enlightened one speaks....

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  • tbonetrexler
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    Our choppers will land anywhere, fields, roads, parking lots. If its clear, they will land in it. And yeah, the department "helps" them land, ussually by designating an LZ with strobes.

    And calm down, landing a chopper is just not that exciting, unless you lose your Lid like i almost did once.

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  • the1141man
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    Originally posted by t0asty View Post
    It is a helicopter it can land just about anywhere and hover. Which is why I think they should incorperate hoists into medivac helis like the Coast Guards. That way you don't need to land. Though hovering is a pain in the as$.
    *LOL* And I suppose you speak from experience on that last sentence? Perhaps as an Army or Coast Guard Rotary Wing Aviator?

    I didn't think so either.

    The military has specialized equipment and tactics because of the unique tactical nature of military CASEVAC ops (also: MEDEVAC refers to non-traumatic aeromedical operations, CASEVAC refers to traumatic casualty evacuation).
    The USCG and USN (I'm guessin you just saw The Guardian) have and use hoists and rescue swimmers simply because helicopters can't "land" on water (excepting certain ones--I believe the old SH-3 Sea Kings could do a reasonably good imitation of "landing" on water...I doubt an SH/MH-60 SeaHawk/PaveHawk could, though), therefore the only way to extract someone from the ocean is via dropping a line and hoisting them from the sea.

    Likewise in the thick jungle, a special, weighted rescue rig was dropped from above treetop level to extract downed pilots, since the helo couldn't land through the trees.

    For flatland operation, the preferred method is the usual one: land the helo on the ground and load the patient. This method is even preferred by the military... Army Air Ambulance Companies and Air Force Rescue Wings use it for flatland ops as well.

    Don't make things more complicated than they need to be.

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  • t0asty
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    It is a helicopter it can land just about anywhere and hover. Which is why I think they should incorperate hoists into medivac helis like the Coast Guards. That way you don't need to land. Though hovering is a pain in the as$.

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  • backsteprescue
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    Originally posted by jrfirefighter23 View Post
    we have pre detirmine dsposts throgught our coverage area, I thinks theres like 10

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  • nmfire
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    Med-evac in the hizzzz-ouse!

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