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  • backsteprescue
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    Originally posted by jccrabby3084 View Post
    Jrscvfs...I know it is easy to feel like you are being attacked and it is easy to start name calling or making assumptions of others. Also it is easy to feel like you contribute more on scenes that what is actually possible, but you listened to the advice, you didn't just leave, and above all there was no disrespect for others. Outstanding!! It would be nice if some of the adults would take an example of how this worked out. It is easy to get defensive...but takes a bigger person to see their faults.
    I could not agree more. You were open to others opinion without getting defensive and hating the world. Glad to have you here.

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  • jccrabby3084
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    I just wanted to commend you guys on the past few posts, especially RFRD and jrscvfs. You did show some good maturity there for your age and I think things went well. Jrscvfs...I know it is easy to feel like you are being attacked and it is easy to start name calling or making assumptions of others. Also it is easy to feel like you contribute more on scenes that what is actually possible, but you listened to the advice, you didn't just leave, and above all there was no disrespect for others. Outstanding!! It would be nice if some of the adults would take an example of how this worked out. It is easy to get defensive...but takes a bigger person to see their faults.

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  • jrscvfs
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    first, thanks for all the advice, seriously. and the suggestions, i wil not toss them out i will take all the advice i can get, i understand where your coming from(safety i do believe) and greatly appreciacte it. just to verify, yes our station has 2 rigs, 1 engine, 1 pumper, and yes they only seat two, even the engine. and yes, at other departments in the county, most do drive to the scene in povs, but i see what your sayin about jrs and povs.

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  • jccrabby3084
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    oops...sorry Toasty on the last post....I meant that to jrscvfs, that if a FF misses a rig, they go to their protocol, if it means to take a POV...fine.

    Now it could be possible for you as a jr FF to ride to the scene with a FF in their POV....that could be considered a ride along and within the realms of jr FF, Explorer and so forth. Just don't drive your own please.

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  • jccrabby3084
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    Well said RFRD!!

    Explorers, cadets and jr FF are great programs to learn from. I applaude each one of you showing a commitment to the fire service and wish you all the best of luck in your future careers.

    The only thing we want to see is that you guys do this stuff safely...ride outs, training, and so on. I know a lot of you can't wait to get on the job, but that is what you have to do. Even if your dept is understaffed, they should not rely on a jr FF, Explorer, or cadet to do the job of a FF. That is why there is mutual aid.

    And to Toasty...No...if a FF misses a rig they should go to their dept protocol, whatever it may be, stay at the station, take a second rig, or a POV. RFRD hit it on the head with his comments.

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  • backsteprescue
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    Originally posted by jrscvfs View Post
    ok, first, i wasnt tryin to show off my certs, someone asked and i answered. second, man, didnt know it was such an official rule not to drive a pov to a scene. u know, the fire dept is undermanned her as it is, and ur sayin that if a ff, misses the rig, they should stay, and make no attempt to respond?
    For some depts, driving POV to scene is the normal means of transportation as they only have 1 or 2 trucks that seat 2 people each. But what people are saying is, why does a jr. need to drive pov to scene. If you missed the truck, so be it, the fire will eventually go out, the pt. will eventually somehow have their problem resolved, the world will go round, and the sun will still shine.

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  • jrscvfs
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    ok, first, i wasnt tryin to show off my certs, someone asked and i answered. second, man, didnt know it was such an official rule not to drive a pov to a scene. u know, the fire dept is undermanned her as it is, and ur sayin that if a ff, misses the rig, they should stay, and make no attempt to respond?

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  • t0asty
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    I don't think explorers should take pov's to the scene either. The way my post works is that you ride with the station all day (or as long as you can). so you are at the station if you are not on a call. It works for us. (note: I have not ridden along yet I just know how my department works. (how? by asking the others in my post)).

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  • jccrabby3084
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    Toasty...I couldn't agree with you more...being a jr FF or Explorer is a great way to learn the job. I started as an Explorer and now I'm an advisor. I'm all for Explorers or jrFF helping with cleanup and such on the fireground....I'm just saying don't take your POV to the scene to do it. If you ride along on the rig, then fine...help out where you can. These programs are an excellent way for younger folks to know the job and see if it is a career path they want to take.

    You just don't need to take a POV to a scene...and you are very limited on what you can do. A dept should not utilize an Explorer or jrFF in a task which a certified FF should be.

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  • t0asty
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    POV and traffic control aside. I believe explorers (being one) (or juniors) are not vital to departments or stations but it is a good way to give us a better chance of becoming firefighters. Yes the FF can load their own hose but why not let an explorer load hose with them. He or she is not going to be there every fire.. Anyways would you rather have an explorer running the hose line well you and another FF get the monitor off the truck. They can just be one extra hand to help out. Other wise there is no reason for an explorer program. all they will get to do by your rules is scrub the dishes at the station.

    Not sure how coherent this is but time to sleep.

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  • jccrabby3084
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    Very true Doc.....you know jrscvfs...if you are a certified FF1 and FF2...really why are you still a jr FF then...why not just be a volunteer then with the dept?

    I understand things are different everywhere...but the common thread is it is not natural or really even necessary for any jr type of FF to use a POV. If the regular FF can't handle their own cleanup they should not be FF...no need to wait for a jr FF to get there to do that.

    You want to be involved..fine..do it in training or stay at a station...don't risk it taking a POV to a scene. You say you can handle it and you drive in speed limit and laws...fine, great even, I commend you...however not everyone will. One of your fellow jr FF's may be the statistic Doc was referring to. And really...if you take your POV only if your not at the station...then is it really necessary to go at all? There are many volunteer depts that even if the volly doesn't make it before a rig rolls, they don't go to the scene. They staff the station in case another call comes in.

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  • DocVBFDE14
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    jrscvfs, I bow to your superior certifications. I was always taught not to debate with people not willing to even remotely consider that their point of view might have flaws in it.

    Do a search and see how many children and young adults (under the age of 18) have been killed or injured going to or at firegrounds.

    "Those who refuse to learn from history, are condemmed to repeat it."

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  • jrscvfs
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    believe me, i am relly not ryin to tick anybody, its just the way it is here
    Last edited by jrscvfs; 02-12-2007, 07:44 PM.

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  • jrscvfs
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    ok first, lets do qualifications, i have completed ff1 and ff2 and am cpr certified, not that it matters but am a lifeguard in the summer. traffic control is only done on minimum traffic streets with supervision by either a ff or police officer. and yes i have a vest.ok now to the topic, povs, no i do not have lights, second, the only time we respond in povs is when we r not at home, we dont speed, when we get to the call we usually park outta the way. this is called a small rural department. we dont operate in heavy traffic areas. you know what this accomplishes, getting to the fire. about the engines, yes we are under supervision, but its called on the job training, doin it at the staion is way different than when its 0 degrees outside and snowin. we dont run the whole thing, we r watched and we only do that when its a brush fire or somethin small, not a 3 alarm fire. cleanup is our main job, both at the scene and at the station. there is no harm in loadin a hose or loading tools, dont worry, we know how to do it, along from ff1 and 2 the staion does a training/classroom once a month. we arent abunch of kids running around, horseplay is not allowed and is zero tolerance. we have to be fully alert. and yes, our capts, cheifs and assistants are knowing of what is legal and whats not. departments are not all the same. safety is the main goal and should be anywhere, if we're doin somethin wrong, then i havent had any official tell me otherwise. we may do some things wrong, but safety is always first.

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  • jccrabby3084
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    jrscvfs....I'll agree with RFRD here. It is good to be involved and active as a jf FF, but there are still issues out there that your program and department should look into.

    First...do you have any certifications? There is a limit on what you can do and if going to far there can be legal issues. Your chief, asst chief, and officers should look into this...to not be a concern is the wrong attitude.

    Second....traffic control...where? highway?, city street?, rural route? do you have safety vests? I in good faith would NEVER send an Explorer or jr FF to do this. Way too many people more concerned with the scene, not you....too many FF's were killed this way.

    And really still...why take a POV to the scene? You should limit your clean up and help to the station...if you don't make it out on a rig...you don't go out. Wait at the station....if it is a burner...get the stuff set up to clean hoses. Have stuff ready to go when the crew gets back. If more than one rig at the station, wait until another FF gets there, then ride to the scene. I just can not see any reason whatsoever for an uncertified jr FF or Explorer to take a POV to a scene. To say you drive the speed limit and everything and you can control it...fine. But lets be realistic here...I was young once too and I know you truly are not going the speed limit(I don't always either)...you'll push it more and more...the problem is your mind is still on the scene, this is still a liability.

    I know this won't change your mind, but I would really hope this get looked at different. I would hate to see some headlines here of how a jr FF was killed driving to the scene...to just help with traffic control and clean up. It has happened once....why let it happen again?

    You're young and eager now...that is good....but save the emergency scene stuff until the day you do get certified.

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