explorers doing tranig burns

[kenyon]

my post my do a traning burn i was wonding whats your guys opinyin on this we wuld all have 2 pass NFPA standers for a t burn first and a wrintin test we are doing it to study fire behaveur


srroy for my speling

exolore cadet

[DeputyMarshal]

my post my do a traning burn i was wonding whats your guys opinyin on this we wuld all have 2 pass NFPA standers for a t burn first and a wrintin test we are doing it to study fire behaveur


srroy for my speling

exolore cadet

What kind of "training burn?"

As for your spelling, if you know it's not good, there's no reason for you not to work on it. Get a spell checker or at least a dictionary.

[KB1OEV]

If you are aware of your spelling errors, then you should go back and fix them before posting.

Not only the spelling, but words in the wrong spot and extra letters scattered around. Trying to read your post was very painful.

There are free spell checkers available on the internet.

If it is easier to read your questions, people will be more likely to answer them.

[kenyon]

What kind of "training burn?"

As for your spelling, if you know it's not good, there's no reason for you not to work on it. Get a spell checker or at least a dictionary.

we are going to go into a room with full PPE and its going to be modal type room and whatch it burn to study fire behaver and my speling is cuz i have a laurning disabity im srroy

[DeputyMarshal]

we are going to go into a room with full PPE and its going to be modal type room and whatch it burn to study fire behaver and my speling is cuz i have a laurning disabity im srroy

A learning disability doesn't prevent you from using a spell checker. Stop using it as an excuse.

Explorers shouldn't be doing that kind of "training burn." If you want to study fire behavior as an explorer, get a video.

[FWDbuff]

If you are not 18 years old, you have no business being in an IDLH environment. Additionally, I believe the BSA/Explorers have rules against it.

[BoxAlarm187]

Some junior firefighter programs will allow a member between 16 and 18 years of age to enter an IDLH training environment as part of a structured and recognized training plan. However, they must have completed all of the core modules perscribed under NFPA 1001 & 1403. That being said, I don't know if the BSA/Explorer program allows this or not.

[DeputyMarshal]

Some junior firefighter programs will allow a member between 16 and 18 years of age to enter an IDLH training environment as part of a structured and recognized training plan.

They're out of their ever-loving minds if they do... Putting a minor in SCBA in an IDLH environment -- no matter how "structured" it might be intended to be -- is a monumentally Bad Idea(TM).

(And, no, Explorers doesn't allow it.)

[BoxAlarm187]

They're out of their ever-loving minds if they do... Putting a minor in SCBA in an IDLH environment -- no matter how "structured" it might be intended to be -- is a monumentally Bad Idea(TM).

We've done it successfully for years throughout our fine state, as part of Firefighter I and Firefighter II live burns.

[ATFDFF]

(And, no, Explorers doesn't allow it.)

And, no, you're completely wrong:

Explorers may not be substituted for trained personnel.
Explorers must be equipped with personal protective equipment that is appropriate for the activity being done.
Explorers may be mobilized only as a post, with required leadership. Explorers are not on call as individuals.
Explorers who ride on apparatus or other department vehicles must be seated and must wear a seat belt.
Explorers may not drive department vehicles.
Explorers may not climb aerial ladders.
Explorers may not climb ground ladders that exceed 35 feet in length, or not supported against a structure.
Explorers may not enter or perform ventilation procedures on a burning structure.
Explorers may not use any tools or gloves on energized electrical equipment.
Explorers may not operate cutting torches
Explorers may not operate hydraulic rescue tools or equipment.
Explorers may not handle life nets.
Exceptions: Using an official training facility, the use of aerial ladders with the appropriate safety equipment, and entering a controlled burn building is approved.

So you must have an aneurysm looking at this:

http://www.fsi.illinois.edu/content/...xplorer-cadet/

Explorer/Cadet live burns for 4 days which has been going on for YEARS without a serious injury of any sort. Hundreds of kids per year.

[BULL321]

we are going to go into a room with full PPE and its going to be modal type room and whatch it burn to study fire behaver and my speling is cuz i have a laurning disabity im srroy

N.C. allows Jrs that are 18 and have completed all of their 1403 classes to participate in live burns. If you are under 18, then NO GO!

As far as you using your Learning Disability as an excuse for being lazy I call B.S. I tell you like my Dad, told me. "Son just because you have a problem, is no excuse to act like an arse. When you grow up and get a job, your boss is going to give you a job to do and if you can't do it he will fine someone who can!"

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N.C. allows Jrs that are 18 and have completed all of their 1403 classes to participate in live burns. If you are under 18, then NO GO!

As far as you using your Learning Disability as an excuse for being lazy I call B.S. I tell you like my Dad, told me. "Son just because you have a problem, is no excuse to act like an arse. When you grow up and get a job, your boss is going to give you a job to do and if you can't do it he will fine someone who can!"

Agreed - there is no excuse for being lazy. And no excuse for poor spelling - this forum underlines misspelled words prior to submitting. The only thing we have to judge you on is the content and form of your post - if you can't even take the additional 30 seconds to spell correctly, why should we take anything else said seriously?

Now, that said - to address your post. At our department juniors would be allowed to attend the controlled burn, but only passively. That is, sit back in the green zone, watch, and learn. No entry, no SCBA, nothing anywhere near an IDLH environment. Explorers/Juniors should be learning as much as they can, but in as safe a manner as possible. When you become a full member of the department you can then put what you've learned over the years into action.

[rpferry]

You guys are unbelievable. A kid comes on here, admits he has a learning disability, apologizes for his errors, and ask a question and you jump on him and call him lazy. It must be just peachy living in your holier-than-thou land. How about this, instead of calling him lazy, advise him where he can get a spelling program. Who knows though, maybe his LD is reading comprehension or dyslexia. All the programs in the world can't fix that without someone over his shoulder showing him what he cannot see.

In regards to your question, 16 or over shouldn’t be a problem with the right parameters in place. As long as the instructors are well trained, the environment is under control, and the kids are not afraid to say they are hot and leave the structure, I feel it would be a good training tool.

-Rob

[AndrewR]

You guys are f-ing unbelievable. A kid comes on here, admits he has a learning disability, apologizes for his errors, and ask a question and you d*cks jump on him and call him lazy. It must be just peachy living in your holier-than-thou land. How about this, instead of calling him lazy, advise him where he can get a spelling program. Who knows though, maybe his LD is reading comprehension or dyslexia. All the programs in the world can't fix that without someone over his shoulder showing him what he cannot see.

In regards to your question, 16 or over shouldn’t be a problem with the right parameters in place. As long as the instructors are well trained, the environment is under control, and the kids are not afraid to say they are hot and leave the structure, I feel it would be a good training tool.

-Rob

First of all these guys jump on anybody who spells like that and does not use proper spelling, its just the way they are. As for your comment about being 16 or over to do a training burn. NOPE, as shown in the previous posts the Boy Scouts who sponsor the Explorer Program do not allow that to happen, it would be a direct violation of the programs rules.

As for him openly admitting to a learning disability, fine he has a problem that he cant control and I am sure he or she is seeking aid with that.
But either way No Explorers Cannot go into IDLH environments which would be the same as a live burn training.

[BULL321]

You guys are f-ing unbelievable. A kid comes on here, admits he has a learning disability, apologizes for his errors, and ask a question and you d*cks jump on him and call him lazy. It must be just peachy living in your holier-than-thou land. How about this, instead of calling him lazy, advise him where he can get a spelling program. Who knows though, maybe his LD is reading comprehension or dyslexia. All the programs in the world can't fix that without someone over his shoulder showing him what he cannot see.

In regards to your question, 16 or over shouldn’t be a problem with the right parameters in place. As long as the instructors are well trained, the environment is under control, and the kids are not afraid to say they are hot and leave the structure, I feel it would be a good training tool.

-Rob

Hello Rob,

Good to see you Brother. I guess my Dad is/was a d*ck also. I've got dyslexia myself, and I have learn to cope adapt and overcome. I was speaking from the heart when I gave him the same advice that my father gave me. If you don't like it, I'm truly sorry, I've offended you. I guess I grew up in less P.C. times. As far as "All the programs in the world can't fix that without someone over his shoulder showing him what he cannot see." he must be color blind as well and can't see the red line under the words he has misspelled? If the poor fellow can't handle the truth then he truly is in for a hard time when he get's out in the real world.