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  • Miller337
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    Originally posted by Northern Lights FF View Post
    Firedog,

    Of course YOU wouldn;t see anything wrong with anything another "Junior / Explorer" would do would you?.......

    Doesn;t matter who or what someone is doing....IF your in Uniform/Bunker Gear etc.....YOU are rep'ing the Department......

    Therfore NO ONE except an authorized Photographer/videographer should be taking any pics......( General Populous exempted, cause we can have no control over them)....

    Good vids/ pics or not..A Junior / Explorer shouldn;t be taking them and then posting them..PERIOD..

    Wanna take pics...ask the Chief..then turn them INTO the Department for THEM to decide what to post or use...NOT YOUR say...



    OK. On this issue he is correct it is not acceptable conduct to simply take photos and post them. Your chief may allow it in some instances. Ask permission and get it cleared prior to posting.


    Northern Lights FF. Everywhere I go here you are slamming these kids. BACK OFF In another thread you stated that your dept doesn't have any juniors. NEWS FLASH DUDE YOU ARE YOUR OWN WORST ENEMY. Lay off these kids they are trying to do the right thing usually, your just being a real S.O.B. to them.

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  • NFD-Firefighter
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    If your department tells you to take them down, take them down... especially as an explorer, it will not help to tick off management. As for HIPPA, no patients, no violations

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  • 105
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    Originally posted by yuanyelss View Post
    I just asked that if they wanted to post it on facebook and other social networking sites to please show them to me first. I always told our explorers that taking pictures and videos was great and encouraged it.
    I'm of the exact opposite mind. Put yourself in the shoes of the property owner. You're standing there watching everything you own go up in smoke, firefighters knocking the windows out of your house and doing what they can to fight the fire. And in the meantime, damaging the house more with the amount of water required. Which, although you fully understand the need, all you see is your property going up in smoke... and some *sshole is standing there in turnout gear taking pictures? When people are angry and upset, they'll often lash out at whatever lightning rod presents itself - and someone who is supposed to be fighting the fire taking pictures sure seems like a decent target. If he doesn't bitch you out at the fire scene, he may bitch you out at through the media later in yet another "those damned firefighters didn't do enough to save my property - hell, they were more interested in taking pictures than fighting the damned fire!" stories.

    Leave the camera at home. And definitely leave it off facebook - you don't need to show how hardcore you are to your friends.

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  • Northern Lights FF
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    Firedog,

    Of course YOU wouldn;t see anything wrong with anything another "Junior / Explorer" would do would you?.......

    Doesn;t matter who or what someone is doing....IF your in Uniform/Bunker Gear etc.....YOU are rep'ing the Department......

    Therfore NO ONE except an authorized Photographer/videographer should be taking any pics......( General Populous exempted, cause we can have no control over them)....

    Good vids/ pics or not..A Junior / Explorer shouldn;t be taking them and then posting them..PERIOD..

    Wanna take pics...ask the Chief..then turn them INTO the Department for THEM to decide what to post or use...NOT YOUR say...

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  • L.T.explorer12
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    As an explorer, jr. firefighter, probie, or visitor, leave your phone at home or in a car because you will get looked down on and it wont be good. You should never post pictures of calls anywhere! You can get into major legal trouble for doing it

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  • firedog94
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    Originally posted by Engine_02 View Post
    Hi, My name is mike, i am a cherokee county explorer, i also 3rd ride with atlanta at least 1 shift a week, i am not yet 18 so i cant get hired, we just had a big problem with fireman posting pictures of fire and wrecks on facebook. I understand the hippa law, you cant have any patient info or anything that could identify a patient online. I was asked to remove my pictures from fires we have had. Does anyone know the rule on posting fires and stuff. My youtube name is goyankees1414, there are videos i have made while on shift. Are they ok?, or do i have to worry about getting in trouble. Please help guys. Thanks.

    Check out my atlanta fire battalion 5 vid on youtube and comment with it is ok or not.
    I don't see anything wrong with your video. It's actually one of the best ones i've seen in a long while.

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  • yuanyelss
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    I just asked that if they wanted to post it on facebook and other social networking sites to please show them to me first. I always told our explorers that taking pictures and videos was great and encouraged it.

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  • jake_WVFD17
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    First off, dont bring your phone to a call. This way you dont even have to worry about getting blamed for stuff like that.

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  • PaulC.
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    Bottomline...

    Don't ever do anything that you don't want posted on the front page of tomorrow's newspaper.

    It was very astute of you to ask about this here for some help. Now go and do something that you can be truly proud of whether its taking the pics down or leaving them up...Make the correct decision based on who you are and how you want to represent your fire family.

    Paul

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  • NFD-Firefighter
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    I would just stay away from posting anything. Why even take the chance of getting in trouble?

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  • BSFD9302
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    In our sue happy world I hate any of our guys taking pictures. It can just cause a world of **** if someone says the FD did something wrong, unless that is the sole purpose of that member.

    Regardless, who ever said that structure fires and the like were ok as long as there were no victims or injuries I would slightly agree, but I go back to my opening statement.

    Definitely DO NOT post any vehicle incident or anything else were someone has died. It may not cause any legal problems but that is just wrong.

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  • PCFDfp68
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    No sir, by asking I was getting permission from my chief to "hand" the pictures over. My pictures have been sent to firehouse magazine, galls, a couple of news papers, and lawyers. All of them are not for financial gain, as a fact most were handed over for no charge.... thus my "on occasion" comment.

    I admit that while on a volly call or even on the clock the pictures you take are representative of the fire department you belong to. The same rule applies to if you are on your way to a call and get into a wreck because you are driving like a tool and you happen to hurt someone it isn't only your butt that is in a sling but potentially the departments as well.

    I do not know how they do things in your house but I pay for the pictures they come home with me... I own them! I just happen to have a decent head on my shoulders and ask permission before they leave my possession. Even when I post them on our website for members only (the actual call, calls) I still get permission.

    I am not just responding to the person who is questioning me, while I appreciate his questions and or accusations it just goes to show that it is a sensitive matter and needs to be well thought through on all sides. You are representative of the company you run with and any actions you take, paid or as a volly or as a junior/explorer member, you need to remember your actions do not only put your rear in the sling but your house as well.

    Protip: it is okay that you posted on your FB account the pictures you take do not take it to hard that they asked you to remove them. It all comes down to experience and now you can share what happened with you to other people who need advise... so... next time just ask an officer

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  • DeputyMarshal
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    Originally posted by PCFDfp68 View Post
    I took pictures as a volly and on occasion a lawyers office would want copies of the picture that I pay for, the film and developement.
    The analogy still holds. While you're on "company time" -- paid or otherwise -- there's a very good case to be made that the company -- not you -- owns the rights to the pictures you took. You might have an equally good case for being made good on film and developing but not on profitting due to your FD activities.

    Also it was with the chiefs permission and I offered the house money but the chief said no that I could keep it.
    Okay. So, by asking, you acknowledge that the pictures weren't yours to sell.

    Not trying to bust your stones but just throwing up a warning to anyone who might get the idea that you can just profit at will without following the proper procedures.

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  • PCFDfp68
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    I hate to deviate from the original topic here but double dipping would be defined if I was getting paid to take the pictures and making money on the side selling them. Or another example being a paid member at a house I'm a volly at as well and receiving volly incentive points (which translates into money every quarter) while doing calls on the clock. I took pictures as a volly and on occasion a lawyers office would want copies of the picture that I pay for, the film and developement.

    Also it was with the chiefs permission and I offered the house money but the chief said no that I could keep it. Of course I didn't argue it paid for film, development, and eventually a digital camera.

    Now as to the original post here, use caution. People take offense easy. I am bringing this up be side yesterday we had a 2 car MVC the person who rear ended the other person was a young mother who had her 3 year old in the car. 4 patients no injuries but I opted to leave my camera in my truck. You need to read the people involved. Even if you have your departments blessing it still wouldn't hurt to get the parties involved permission or at least tell them you are taking pictures for training help.

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  • DeputyMarshal
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    Originally posted by PCFDfp68 View Post
    I handed over 8 pictures and had a 200 dollar check sent home. Since then it went up to $100-$200 a picture.
    I'm surprised nobody ever went after you for "double-dipping." If you took those pictures while working for the FD, a very good case could be made for them owning the rights to them -- not you.

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