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  • jlcooke3
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    Do you have a residency requirement? How do you feel about being imposed with such a restriction? I'm hoping to get as much feedback as possible so that our union can prove to our administration what's reasonable and what's not.
    No we don't have a residency requirement. As far as my feelings on such requirement. If the department is willing to deal with the consquences of such requirements fine. The consquences typically are lower number of applicants for positions and more overtime pay due to failure to fill open positions. If I'm not mistaken, your employer cannot change the circumstances of your employement. i.e. When you were hired there was no residency requirement, they cannot now require you to meet residency requirements without compensating you.

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  • jasper45
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    I work for a department with a strict city-residency requirement. All city employees must live inside city boundaries on your date of appointment. The rule is also a city ordinance, so it has been around for the entire time the city was incorporated.
    I personally don’t like it, and it is a hardship, particularly for families. Specifically, our property taxes are through the roof, our crime rate is out of control and soaring, the public school system is abysmal, at its best. Many guys I work with are spending 10,000-15,000 dollars a year on tuition for their children to attend private schools because the public schools are so terrible.

    Now, the other side of the coin is this; you don’t have a constitutional right to be a firefighter, and as long as the rule is in place prior to your being hired, you agreed to terms of your employment by taking the job. If that is the case, there really is no difference than saying you will maintain an EMT license, or become a paramedic; a residency rule is really no different than any other pre-employment job requirement. These are also not my opinion, these are the opinions given by courts when we attempted to challenge our residency rule.

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  • pedalinmedic
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    my feeling is this: i am getting paid to provide/do a service/job. I am not getting paid to live beyond my means.

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  • Dashman
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    My opinon is that you want to work in a town,You should live in the town
    or very close to it,I have seen to many times the attitude of screw it,
    I dont live here from both cops and firefighters.
    Go ahead and bash me if you must but I feel that you must have some
    pride and respect for the people that are paying you,Not just being there to
    collect a paycheck.

    rant off sitting in the corner waiting for the beating.

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  • Firedawg3313
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    I've had more than a few friends that were on departments that put in residency requirements (this was before the state banned residency requirements state wide). What happened was that the residency requirement would be for all new hires from the date the requirement took effect. Everyone else was grand fathered in, which meant, they would not be required to sell their homes and move into the city. Their unions fought for the grandfather requirements by stating that it would be a huge hardship (personally and financially) to the membership to have to sell their homes and pack up and move. Grandfathering is actually pretty common. Have your union look into it.

    This will probably cause the number of new applicants to fall sharply if the city's housing is unaffordable for the new hires.
    Last edited by Firedawg3313; 10-13-2006, 11:34 AM.

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  • onebugle
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    One way to fight the residency requirement is to determine a salary that will allow you to live in that community. A department that I know of was facing the residency requirement. Once the union produced figures on a salary that would allow their members to live there, the residency issue was dropped when the town learned how much more it would cost.

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  • FTMPTB15
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    That sucks!

    We don't have a residency requirement. If I'm not mistaken, the Police Department does have a residency requirement. I can't check right now, but I'll verify what their residency requirement is.

    Personally, why would the residents be pushing for this requirement? That seems *****y to me. What is their reasoning? I always thought one idea behind the 48/96 was that you would drive to work less... therefore who gives a rats*** where you live.

    Sure maybe for smaller departments that might need to do a call-back for a "large" incident, a residency requirement might be good... BUT most larger departments rarely do call-backs. I never have liked the idea of my job telling me where I can/can't live... therefore, I avoided departments with those policies. Good luck fighting this! Keep us updated about what they decide.

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  • stubie
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    Need your feedback on residency requirements

    We just finished our trial period of the 48/96. However pressure from some local citizens in the area has swayed our chief and board into imposing a residency requirement. Our fire district is located in the Monterey Bay area in Santa Cruz County, California. It's not uncommon to pay upwards of 600K for a two bedroom condo. We cannot even come close to affording a moderately priced home in Santa Cruz or any surrounding counties. The closest affordable areas are usually loaded with crime, gangs, and poor infrastructure. In order to find some place half decent and affordable you need to go at least 2-3 hours away. This isn't so bad considering the alternatives. My question is for anyone who has had to deal with this issue.
    Do you have a residency requirement? How do you feel about being imposed with such a restriction? I'm hoping to get as much feedback as possible so that our union can prove to our administration what's reasonable and what's not.

    P.S. I'm apologize if this is a repeated topic

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