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    Hi all. We currently work the 3 shift Berkley with 1 on 1 off 1 on 1 off 1 on 4 days off.

    We are starting discussions about the 2 on 4 day off schedule. I was just looking for feedback from other departments with 3 shifts that do the 48/96 and any good or bad comments regarding it. Thanks in advance for your help.
    FTM-PTB-RFB
    IACOJ

  • #2
    We work the (what I have told it was called) LA Schedule:

    1 on, 1 off, 1 on, 2 off , 1 on, 1 off, 1 on, 4 off.

    If I had to spend 48 hrs at my dept.....?? Whewwwwwwww

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    • #3
      48/96

      We have been doing 48/96 for a little over a year. There was a few concerns when we started as to family life and 48 hours at the station. They all seemed to work themselves out and never really be an issue. Go to www.48-96.com We used this site a lot when we first looked into the shift.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by fyrmnk
        Hi all. We currently work the 3 shift Berkley with 1 on 1 off 1 on 1 off 1 on 4 days off.

        We are starting discussions about the 2 on 4 day off schedule. I was just looking for feedback from other departments with 3 shifts that do the 48/96 and any good or bad comments regarding it. Thanks in advance for your help.
        My combination department works the schedule you are currently on and the guys really like it. I never worked anything but the 24 / 48 until I went on days. My personal opinion is the 49 / 96 would be a bear. Don't think I want to be away from home that long. I would miss the dog something terrible, and ocassionally the wife.
        Glenn Rainey
        Colington Fire Department
        Dare County, North Carolina
        The Outer Banks

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        • #5
          there is a department next to mine that just had a squabble about letting guys work 48 straight and the city attorney reviewed the indiana code and said that no firefighter is allowed to be on 48 straight. is this just for indiana or what am i missing?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by robertsryan10
            We have been doing 48/96 for a little over a year. There was a few concerns when we started as to family life and 48 hours at the station. They all seemed to work themselves out and never really be an issue. Go to www.48-96.com We used this site a lot when we first looked into the shift.

            Thanks for the replies. We've looked at 48-96.com before, great info.

            So far as we expected, most are for it, some are on the fence, and a few are dead set against it. We'll see.

            Our only policy on length of work is that we can't work over 48 hours straight without 12 hours off. Thanks again all for the input.
            FTM-PTB-RFB
            IACOJ

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            • #7
              I work for CDF and we work a 72/96 usually, but many of us have been on over 30 days straight so I'm pretty sure that the law in indiana doesn't apply in california.

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              • #8
                If I could work 30 days straight I could be off for 4.5 months (taking OT as comp time)
                24/72 rules!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by newbomb
                  there is a department next to mine that just had a squabble about letting guys work 48 straight and the city attorney reviewed the indiana code and said that no firefighter is allowed to be on 48 straight. is this just for indiana or what am i missing?
                  It's the State of Indiana in your case. I was recently educated about labor laws. Although there is a federal labor law, it serves as the model. The state's legislation creates labor laws around the state insurance regualtions and what they determine to be safe working hours for, in this case, firefighters, based on risk assessment.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by fyrmnk
                    Thanks for the replies. We've looked at 48-96.com before, great info.

                    So far as we expected, most are for it, some are on the fence, and a few are dead set against it. We'll see.

                    Our only policy on length of work is that we can't work over 48 hours straight without 12 hours off. Thanks again all for the input.
                    One question comes to mind for you.

                    Your policy states that one must not work more than 48 hours in a row with out a 12 hour break.

                    How will late runs that lets say carry over 1 or even 2 hours into the next tour thus breaking the 48 hour rule be treated? Will it be 12 hours from the change of tours or will it be 12 hours from the time the member was relieved of duty plus wash up time that a member will be allowed to work again?

                    Just something to consider.

                    FTM-PTB

                    ps-One thing I can see you are going to miss out on is late run OT and OT resulting from awaiting relief when surplus staffing is transfering between companies.

                    I can see this set up as a bonus for those with long commutes and minimal runs during the tour.

                    Best of luck.
                    Last edited by FFFRED; 09-30-2006, 03:57 PM.

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                    • #11
                      We've been talking about going to 48/96 for a while now...we currently run a 3/4 schedule (1 on, 1 off, 1 on, 1 off, 1 on, 4 off)

                      The older guys with comfy Engine and Truck spots like it...but we're a transporting agency with many of our Medic units running 12-18 calls a day...at an average time away from the House of 45min. per call for the Medics, well, you do the math.

                      The older guys argue that we work 48s all the time when we do OT (even 72s and 96s!) and we don't complain about that! Well, yes, but we CHOOSE to, and we don't do it all the time, and we’re getting time-and-a-half.

                      Most of the rigs in our Dept. could handle 48/96 without too much grief, but most of the Medic units would take a beating. Plus, what do you do about training hours? What do you do when guys are so tired they can't stay awake while driving? How does your pt. care change when your guys can't keep their eyes open? Our Medics have SCBAs and tools, how safe are you at a fire after 47 hours of running medical aids? How safe are your pts. after a fire AND 47 hours of medical aids?

                      Some guys have postulated that the Captains would just need to step up and switch the guys off the Engine or Truck onto the Medic for ‘a few’ hours. Maybe. Define 'tired'...your Captain and your Firemen might have differing opinions on that. Truthfully, I don't see some of the 20 year Truck guys being told by a 2 year Captain that they need to go over to the Medic. Selfish of the Truck guys? Maybe. Maybe not. Depends on which camp you’re in.

                      For departments like ours, I think it mostly depends on the department coming together as a whole and agreeing to take care of our own...something that is simple to say, but I think isn't always so easy to implement. We'll see what we end up doing!

                      Just my opinion, but 48/96 may not be such a great idea for larger, busy, transporting depts....

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                      • #12
                        48/96 schedule

                        This schedule is AWESOME..........

                        Both of my Departments used to run this schedule.... My Paid-Call Department just recently went back to the 24s with 4 and 6 days off. Many of the people want the 48/96 schedule back.

                        This schedule is the best schedule I have ever worked. I have worked 24s with 4 and 6 days off, 48 on 48 off, and various other schedules but none compare with the 48/96.

                        If I wanna 10 day all I gotta do is time trade two days....... and I get 10 days off........ can't beat dat. Don't have to try and schedule it around a 6 day or whatever. I hardly feel like I am at work, as opposed to the other schedules I felt like I was always at work.

                        I have worked for some very busy Stations; running 15 to 50 calls a day...... and this schedule never made me feel "burned out." However, Management should realize that the busy stations shouldn't be tasked with too much "busy work." At the busier Stations the time table is usually pretty relaxed.

                        This schedule is great for Departments that the employees have to drive a long distance...... Only having to drive the distance on average once a week is really nice.

                        When you do some simple math, you get more time with your family if you work at a busy Station with the 48/96 schedule. Here is how it works:
                        Busy day and night........... go home and sleep (at least that is what most people do) this continues until you get a 4 or 6 day.
                        Busy days and nights........... go home and sleep, wake up at home and spend time with the family. This is how it works with the 48/96 schedule.

                        Remembering what day to show up to work is easier with the 48/96 schedule, it moves up one day each week.

                        Station projects are easier to finish when I am at the Station for more than 1 day.

                        Staying dedicated to a stringant P.T. program is easier since you are at work for two days straight.

                        Any other questions, just ask and I will do my best to answer 'em.
                        "Be LOUD, Be PROUD..... It just might save your can someday when goin' through an intersection!!!!!"

                        Life on the Truck (Quint) is good.....

                        Eat til you're sleepy..... Sleep til you're hungry..... And repeat.....

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                        • #13
                          Another thought........

                          And yes, we are a transporting agency....... with average transport times in the range of 40 minutes to 2 hours transport times (from the scene to the hospital, pt. transfer time, reservice time, etc.)....... This schedule still works for us.
                          "Be LOUD, Be PROUD..... It just might save your can someday when goin' through an intersection!!!!!"

                          Life on the Truck (Quint) is good.....

                          Eat til you're sleepy..... Sleep til you're hungry..... And repeat.....

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by mikeyboy
                            And yes, we are a transporting agency....... with average transport times in the range of 40 minutes to 2 hours transport times (from the scene to the hospital, pt. transfer time, reservice time, etc.)....... This schedule still works for us.
                            Just a question; your profile says you're an Engineer, have you ever worked on an ambulance on the 48/96? I'm not trying to be an *** here, I'm genuinely interested in getting feed back from people who work the transport rigs.

                            I work both the Engine and the Box, and just for me personally, working on the Engine is cake compared to work on the Box. I'm almost never tired after a shift on the Engine, regardless of the number of calls, but there aren't too many mornings after a night on the ambulance that I feel that way.

                            What do you think makes it work for you guys?

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                            • #15
                              Yes

                              Rigging65,
                              Yes I worked on the box..... for about 2 1/2 yrs on this schedule.
                              Honestly, what made it work for us was that our time schedules at most of our houses that run and run and run...... so on, are fairly loose....... Meaning that as long as we get our Daily/Weekly or Monthly Chores and Training done then we are alotted "down time." The chores are usually completed by the Engine Company, but when we think about it....... it's nice to work during the day and be able to sleep at night once the Ambulance leaves the scene. Those Stations that run a lot of calls are not tasked with "busy work." The Company Officers really respected the crews that get hammered. Not saying that the slower Stations are looked down upon, it's different when they don't get the minimum done and the rockin' houses completed the tasks.
                              Another thing we are able to do is Station Swaps..... if a FF feels he is getting overwhelmed they have the ability to do swaps with a FF from one of the slower Stations. This works well because it allows the other FF to keep their skills up and gets the FF that was "burned out" some much needed R & R, without missing work or messing with their paycheck. Having options are also good for morale. Not sure where you work, but are any of these options feasible for your Department?
                              "Be LOUD, Be PROUD..... It just might save your can someday when goin' through an intersection!!!!!"

                              Life on the Truck (Quint) is good.....

                              Eat til you're sleepy..... Sleep til you're hungry..... And repeat.....

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