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  • #16
    Originally posted by Goody8545 View Post

    Now, if we are talking about a Fire Protection Engineering degree, all of my research shows that the University of Maryland is the only school that offers an accredited bachelor of science ENGINEERING degree in this field. If this is what Steve is talking about, then OSU is not accredited either.
    Just to clear up one thing in this quote. Maryland is pure Engineering. OSU is an Engineering Technology degree. this does not mean that our degree at osu is any lesser on the engineering side of things. The requirements to sit for the Fundamentals of Engineering exam(the starting point for becoming a professional engineer) is a degree in engineering or an ABET acredited engineering technology degree.

    I want to make it known, I am very PRO higher education in the fire service and like what I see from EKU but I do see high quality people coming out of osu and going to the fire service. And I also see EKU producing quality grads. I will say this, with our engineering tech degree a lot of the guys such as myself who are going into the fire service post grad are getting the degree to work in fire prevention on their days off. We have elective classes that are geared toward management in the fire service but If I had one thing I could change about my beloved OSU it would be this. I wished we had more business classes, a few accounting, and more management classes particularly geared toward fire service (other than the three electives we have for fire management) I feel it would be beneficial for us to add a "fire service option" much like a "pre-vet option" for an animal science major in agriculture. It could be treated as a minor or something. Either way we need to upscale our public service side.

    I myself will concede that we are losing our edge in the public fire service market, and i personally get tired of all the people that come to my school and talk about how they are going to be fire fighters and they are rough and tough but they take the big money offers with petroleum companies to be a safety professional. they make our school proud in the big business part of the world, but i could care less about that. I'm fire through and through, and if everyone used common sense we wouldn't need safety professionals.

    I will not say that our degree is bad for the fire service or if you want to be a fire fighter this is not the place for you, but we do create a lot of options if fire fighting is not your deal of if you want work for your days off. I also must say that OSU IS TOUGH, ENGINEERING IS TOUGH, ANY COLLEGE WORTH A CRAP IS TOUGH, SOME PEOPLE NATURALLY PERFORM AT IT BUT FOR THE REST OF US, WE HAVE TO BUST OUR ***. I have had class with a few people that did very well with very little effort but then there is the normal humans out there who have to read, and study, and do practice problems. I'm sure EKU is the same way, there are people who never have to buy the book because they are very smart, but then the rest of us work hard for what we earn.

    Either way, if you want to be a success in the fire service, a degree is highly desirable, any degree. If you want engineering and life safety go to Maryland or OSU. OSU is a little more hands on than maryland. EKU is a good school, but i will naturaly favor OSU and i will always personally regard it as the best. but get your damn degree and make the department you work for proud.

    Trevor Lon Poitevent
    OSU Fire Protection May 2007

    P.S. Just get a freaking degree even if it's a business or fine arts degree. but if you want to talk about OSU then feel free to contact me.


    • #17
      I agree, get a degree, even if it is not fire service related. It is much easier to go out and get one right after high school. Spend your career working on your master's degree or whatever level of education you want to achieve. Also, let's not forget that spending several years at college typically helps to develop an individual. I think for the most part one becomes more mature, yes college students are immature by nature, but it typically is worked out of them by the time they graduate. They are also tought how to be professional and reliable, meeting expectations and deadlines. The benefits beside the piece of paper go on and on.

      And if anyone is still interested in this thread, and "which degree" they should go get, do some research. Don't take our word for it. Do your own research on the schools. Visit them. Let the facilities and faculty convince you, not a bunch of biased alumni. Do yourself a favor and find out on your own what is the best fit for you.



      • #18
        Brief Overview Of "fire Science Degree" Programs

        Assistant Professor Michael J. Ward
        The George Washington University
        former Fire Science Program Head, Northern Virginia Community College

        There is a huge amount of diversity in "fire science" academic programs. From community college credit for Firefighter I to graduate engineering and hard science PhDs from research university.


        There are three flavors of a four-year "fire science" bachelor degree.

        The most academic challenging is the Fire Protection Engineering degree that is offered at the University of Maryland (College Park) and the Worcester Polytechnic Institute (Worcester, MA). These degrees are similar to civil, mechanical or electrical engineering programs with two years of higher level math, one to two years of hard science and about twenty engineering courses.

        Completion of the program qualifies you to start working as a Engineer-In-Training (EIT) and eventually becoming certified as a Professional Engineer. Both universities offer Masters of FPE.


        One of the undergraduate degrees offered by the University of New Haven is for Fire Protection Engineering, but it appears NOT accredited by the appropriate engineering council. http://www.newhaven.edu/show.asp?durki=425

        Many four-year fire science degrees fall into the technology arena - not as academically robust as an engineering degree. You receive a Bachelor of Science degree and you will have taken more math/science/engineering technology classes than the next flavor of degree, but you will not be prepared to sit for the Engineer-In-Training program or become a registered Professional Engineer.

        Fire Technology bachelor programs include:

        Oklahoma State University: http://fpst.okstate.edu/
        Eastern Kentucky University: http://www.fireandsafety.eku.edu/
        University of New Haven: http://www.newhaven.edu/show.asp?durki=425
        John Jay College (NYC): http://web.jjay.cuny.edu/~firesci/
        University of Akron (OH): http://sc.uakron.edu/?/publicservice/fp.html
        University of North Carolina Charlotte: http://www.et.uncc.edu/fire_safety/index.html
        Thomas Edison State College (NJ): http://www.tesc.edu/prospective/unde...gree/bsast.php .pdf brochure

        The third flavor is a four-year non-technology emergency service degree that will lead to a Bachelors in management, supervision. leadership, emergency services, you-name-it. Usually requires a year of english, a year of college level math and whatever other general education requirements are needed by that educational institution. Many are offered through distance education and most assume that the student has some emergency service experience.

        Emergency service degrees include:

        University of Maryland University College: http://www.umuc.edu/prog/ugp/majors/fscn.shtml
        Maryland is one of seven campuses running the NFA Degree-at-a-Distance program: http://www.usfa.fema.gov/training/nf...rams/distance/
        University of Richmond (emergency management): http://oncampus.richmond.edu/academics/scs/emermgmt/
        University of Florida: http://www.bcn.ufl.edu/pde/Fire-html/
        Eastern Oregon University: http://www.eou.edu/dde/Degrees/FSA.htm
        Arizona State University East: http://www.poly.asu.edu/technology/imt/fire/bachelors/
        California State University Los Angeles: http://www.calstatela.edu/academic/e.../et/tech/fire/ pdf brochure
        Holy Family University (Philadelphia) http://www.holyfamily.edu/academics/undergrad.shtml
        Lake Superior State University (MI) http://www.lssu.edu/degrees/degree.php?id=5066
        New Jersey City University: http://www.njcu.edu/dept/ProfStudies...rescience.html
        Arkansas Tech University (FEMA Emergency Management): http://commed.atu.edu/
        Western Carolina University (FEMA Emergency Management online): http://www.wcu.edu/aps/cj/CJ_courses_EM-distance.htm
        Anna Maria College (Paxton, MA) http://www.annamaria.edu/academics/fire_science.php
        Charter Oak State College (New Britain, CT): http://www.cosc.edu/
        Utah Valley State College http://www.uvsc.edu/firescience/
        UVSC has an associate fire science program linked with UT Fire and Rescue Academy
        University of the District of Columbia (restricted to DCFEMS employees)
        University of Idaho (Fire Ecology minor) http://www.cnrhome.uidaho.edu/default.aspx?pid=42088

        Assistant Professor Michael J. Ward
        Department of Emergency Medicine
        2150 Pennsylvania Ave NW., Suite 2B-406C
        Washington, DC 20037-2396

        If you are interested in EMS Management (six bachelor degree programs), look here:
        Last edited by MikeWard; 01-19-2007, 06:41 PM. Reason: update links


        • #19
          Back to the original inviscid question

          Major in whatever interests you. Chemistry, physics or math would not be bad choices.



          • #20
            As always, Mike is right on the money.

            In my experience, the simple fact of having a fire science degree, in 99% of the case, will not get you a job in a fire department. That is a fallacy that many fire science programs put out there that is unfair to the students.

            That said, a BS degree of any type, despite the scare tactics of experts trying to sell their wares, is a positive. It shows that you had the integrity and maturity to follow a plan for four years and complete a rigorous course of study. integrity and maturity is perhaps more important to someone doing the hiring than knowing the HRR of polyurethane. You are going to be sweeping alot of bunk room floors before you will be called upon for that type of knowledge.

            BTW, the Humanities Degree didn't work against that guy, his stupid answer to the question worked against him.

            What degree path to follow? Whatever you want. Remember, you will only be a FF for about half of your work life (on average). You will also have a considerable amount of time off during normal business hours. You will also have promotional opportunities that a degree might be very helpful in achivening.

            For the fire service related degree, engineering is where it is at. There are ample employment opportunities with engineering firms, fire protection firms, loss prevention firms, risk management firms, emergency management firms, insurance cos. etc. The engineering background gives you a science and mathematical background that a fire science degree doesn't. Whatever discipline you choose-electrical, fire, mechanical, structural-there is a job opportunity waiting out there for an engineer with a fire background.

            On the other hand, I know plenty of guys who took their BS in fire science courses as a promotional preparation and did quite well.

            Maybe you want to get away from the fire service on your off hours or when you retire. What is your fancy? Education? Law? Pre-Med? Computers? Horticulture? Ancient Civs? Accounting? Chemistry? Whatever it is, follow that dream. Plenty of guys study in the firehouse for stuff not related to the fire service. Pnly you know who you are and what you like. Picture what you want your non-fire house time to be and go get it.


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