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  • DCJS Instructor
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    Originally posted by Bessie11 View Post
    How was the program DCJS
    Thanks for asking! 10 students took the test, 9 students passed the first time out. We had one student who had some issue with long bone. (Former NREMT-P who let his cert laps) re-tested and passed.

    The average test score was an 89% all students passed the written test.

    I stress to my students that once they get certified and then need to become precepted by working with an experienced provider...that's when the true learning happens.

    This course is not for everyone.....You have to come to this course and want to learn and work hard!

    Fairfax now uses another company.....but not for long.....

    Not only does VA OEMS accept it so does:

    Fairfax County
    P.W. County
    Caroline County
    Stafford County
    City of Fredericksburg
    King George County
    Spotsylvania County

    We have trained students from the above depts. in Basic as well as ALS courses

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    Last edited by DCJS Instructor; 07-19-2011, 11:58 PM.

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  • Bessie11
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    Accelerated EMT – B Program (14 days)

    How was the program DCJS

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  • terrible one
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    I respect your opinion, however, I disagree. EMT / paramedic textbooks are written at a tenth grade level and typically taught by an "instructor" whose qualifications are usually nothing more than X number of years on the job instead of possesing an advanced degree with intrict knowledge of the course subjects. EMTs / paramedics need to remove themselves from "training" and gravitate towards "educating".
    But again these are all topics for another thread.
    Last edited by terrible one; 07-14-2011, 10:03 PM.

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  • ChiefKN
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    Originally posted by terrible one View Post
    It is only basic because we as a nation, dumb EMS down to the lowest common denomantor. Our EMTs/paramedics are the least educated comparred to AUS, UK, Canada, etc... but that is for another discussion.

    Also not sure what exactly is difficult about CPR and also considering that almost all EMT classes require you to have a CPR card before entering.
    It is not "dumbed down"... it is the perfect level of training for the minor runs that make up the majority of ambulance calls... Adding ALS when needed makes sense, IMO.

    Nothing is difficult about CPR... hence, my point.

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  • terrible one
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    Originally posted by ChiefKN View Post
    Oh please, overstating it just a bit...

    EMT Basic is basic. CPR is the hardest part.
    It is only basic because we as a nation, dumb EMS down to the lowest common denomantor. Our EMTs/paramedics are the least educated comparred to AUS, UK, Canada, etc... but that is for another discussion.

    Also not sure what exactly is difficult about CPR and also considering that almost all EMT classes require you to have a CPR card before entering.

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  • MikeWard
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    Originally posted by Jonnee View Post
    Are you sure the VADEMS will accept your class and test results?

    I'm not sure FXCO would accept it, if it was on a silver platter.
    1) It is the Virginia Office of EMS. Since this program has repeatedly been run in the Commonwealth, pretty sure it is accepted. Contact Greg Neiman and ask.

    2) Call Captain II Richard Yuras and ask. I DOUBT that there is any issue. Silver Platter not required.

    but, what would *I* know ....
    former EMT Programs manager for Fairfax County Fire and Rescue

    PS: EMT-Basic courses in Washington DC are $2000 to $4000

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  • ChiefKN
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    Originally posted by terrible one View Post
    So you'd be just as comfortable allowing an MD to assess and treat you regardless if they went to school for 10 years or did the same amount of hours in 5 years? Just as long as they pass their test correct?
    Oh please, overstating it just a bit...

    EMT Basic is basic. CPR is the hardest part.

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  • Rialaigh
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    The discussion over the length of the course comes up for paramedic courses as well. There are several very fine courses in which you are only in the classroom for 12 weeks. The 5th oldest paramedic program in the country runs an accelerated version, 12 weeks in the classroom and roughly 12 weeks of clinical and field rotation. Obv 12 weeks of classroom time is not a lot but after the classroom time they spend extensive amounts of time in a level 1 trauma center, on 48 hour runs with EMS that frequently get 30+ calls (48 hour shifts) and they even spend time in a pediatric trauma center.

    Most people would scoff at the idea of 12 weeks of class and you can get your paramedic but when you look at some of these accelerated programs they are of very good quality.



    Now there are obviously some bad ones too...can't judge this one (accelerated basic) by the cover but I'm just trying to make the point that the time is not everything

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  • Jonnee
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    Are you sure the VADEMS will accept your class and test results?

    I'm not sure FXCO would accept it, if it was on a silver platter.

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  • terrible one
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    To Beat a Dead Horse

    Originally posted by DCJS Instructor View Post
    121 hours is 121 hours no matter how you do it 14 days or 9 months.....
    However please note the local Vol Rescue runs the 9 month program and has nowhere near the pass rate we have.....and yes once they pass the Virginia test they can take the National Registry test.

    So you'd be just as comfortable allowing an MD to assess and treat you regardless if they went to school for 10 years or did the same amount of hours in 5 years? Just as long as they pass their test correct?

    Testing results aside, and there are plenty of other reasons why your program has a higher pass rate than another, cramming for 121 hours does not allow for any retention and it's only value is measured in the ability to pass a test does not equal good care.

    No other medical profession (if you can actually call EMS a profession) has the amount of accelerated programs as EMTs or Paramedics. It is pretty sad to see the education requirements, that are already at one of the lowest standards of any industrialized nation, continue to degrad itself with these sort of programs. I would hope anyone truely interested in a career, certainally one with as much riding on the line as an emergecny medical responder, would take the time to properly educate themselves and not rush through it as quickly as possibly.

    Good luck with your program, one in which the only good it should be used for is some sort of bridge program for an individual with a much higher medical educational background.

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  • DCJS Instructor
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    My $0.02

    This has been beat to death over and over and over again......

    Here is the last thread with info:

    http://www.firehouse.com/forums/showthread.php?t=112194

    We teach this course to many U.S.Gov and Military groups with great success!

    We have been offering this to the "Open Enrollment Civilian" market for several years with great success.

    121 hours is 121 hours no matter how you do it 14 days or 9 months.....
    However please note the local Vol Rescue runs the 9 month program and has nowhere near the pass rate we have.....and yes once they pass the Virginia test they can take the National Registry test.

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  • sweetpete
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    In this economy, everyone's pumping out new and inventive ways to take peoples money, even at the expense of a patient's well being. There are some things you just can't rush, and EMT school is one of them. Kinda similar to medical school, I don't want a Dr. who took the "fast track" program in order to graduate even sooner than he should in the first place.

    No thanks. Gimme the EMT who went through a traditional program and took the time to study. This is one of the reasons EMS doesn't get taken seriously in the medical field.

    Thanks for hurting our industry even more than it already is.
    Pete

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  • johnsonizzle
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    Day 1-13 - learn how to operate the radio.
    Day 14 - Practice saying "Please send ALS"

    - Must have a heck of a good instructor to pump out street capable EMTs in that short of a timeframe. Good luck to whoever's going.

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  • AFButters
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    So, someone pays $1200 to get the EMT-B ticket in 14 days? And you would expect them to be a practicing EMT? I would be scared to wind up being sick or injured in the state of Virginia and have an EMT take care of me that sat through a 14 day course.

    There is no way that someone could learn the National Standard Curriculum in that short of a time period and effectively provide treatment. Unless they're Rain Man or something.

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  • sweetpete
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    $1200?! Criminy, I paid less tham $500 for my EMT Basic less than 3 yrs ago!! Holy crap!

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