Washington, DC 2008

[BigBruno]

Well, the time that many have waited for has finally arrived. The following has come directly from the FEMS website:

"The 2008 Firefighter/EMT Entry Level Exam will be administered on August 23, 2008.

If you took the 2008 Firefighter/EMT Entry Level Exam and have questions, contact Ms. Theresa Selddon, DC Department of Human Resources at (202) 442-9700.

Contact the DC Fire/EMS Recruiting Officer at (202) 673-3330 with questions about DC Fire/EMS recruiting.

For information about other positions available with DC Fire/EMS, including information about the Firefighter /EMT Entry Level Exam, please visit the Employment Opportunities page."

I spoke with a Lieutenant from Recruiting on the phone today. Here is what I know so far. May 15th, 2008 is the Application Disbursement Date. That means that applications on this date can be filled out and printed off.

On June 14th, 2008, the first 3000 applications will be accepted at the DC Convention Center. Recruiting explained to me that the Convention Center will most likely be the only location to turn in applications.

That is what I know as of now. Good Luck!

[eaglesrule1024]

Wow Can't wait!! This is BIG News and sounds like A Lot of people will be there waiting ahead of time since its only one location.

Rob

[Macari]

great... keep us posted if you hear anything else

[703EMS]

did they do away with the paramedic/firefighter test?

[mpullen32]

Can applications be printed online, or do you have to pick one up in person?

[Fannin]

I just spoke with the lieutenant in the recruiting office, he said you can pick up applications at various places on May 15th, or you can print it out online. He's also not sure about the 3000 cut off. He said they might just accept all applications at the convetion center, but he's not sure about it. It will be out on the May 15th posting for sure how many they're taking.

[DennisTheMenace]

He's also not sure about the 3000 cut off. He said they might just accept all applications at the convetion center, but he's not sure about it. It will be out on the May 15th posting for sure how many they're taking.If they are smart, they will accept every application that shows up, put the first 3000 in one pile, and the rest in another. Best way to avoid a riot.

[columbusfire]

What about guys from out of town, and guys that are medics already?

[StevenMcCaffery]

Are they going to be hiring alot off of this list?

[DCFDCAR5]

What about guys from out of town, and guys that are medics already?

Guys from out of town better find a hotel and stand in line like everyone else.

Guys that are medics already should call the DC Fire/EMS Recruiting Officer at (202) 673-3330.

[BFDCO6]

Anyword on when they are going to resume the Physical Agility Testing? It was halted 3 days before I was to take mine? Everytime I call down to recruiting they say nothing new just keep calling.

[BigBruno]

Come on, people! No posts on this thread in three days? I know there are people just as gung-ho out there as me.

Anyone find out any more information lately?

[clark918]

I'd love to work for DC. I don't think I'll be able to afford an extra trip just to hand in my application though.

[nfrcityjake]

well i thought i was the only one with a cancelled agility 3 days before the big day. Figured that was it. Let me know if you here anything.

[Macari]

when will the apps. be ready to print off the internet? or will you have to pick them up in person?

[eaglesrule1024]

when will the apps. be ready to print off the internet? or will you have to pick them up in person?

From reading the first post i gathered this much..

"Here is what I know so far. May 15th, 2008 is the Application Disbursement Date. That means that applications on this date can be filled out and printed off. Meaning you can get it onlineb

rob

[enters]

does dc have any residency rules?

[clark918]

Looks like I might be applying after all. I'm applying for a part-time job on Monday with Midwest Express Airlines for a spot with the ground crew. Could be the best part-time job ever. They need a lot of people and employees immediately get unlimited flights for free.

I'm also flying out to ride-along with Prince George's County in June. So if I don't get the job with Midwest, I'll plan it so I'm on there when the apps are due anyway.

[mikeco5]

Does anyone have any info about this new EMS staffing plan that L36 just passed?

From what I understand, it means the EMS is staying the way it is, for whatever that means....... 6/12 month details on the ambo.

anybody?

[visor2k]

Does anyone know if you need to be the one who physically turns the DC 08 application in? Or can someone else that I know turn the application in for me? I live in AZ and it would be really tough for me to get out to DC to physically turn it in. Also if you have taken the CPAT else where do you still need to take the DC CPAT.. Thanks Everyone

[BigBruno]

I'm guessing that the DC Convention Center is the only place they will be accepting applications, unless, of course someone has any additional info. I am just trying to get a feel for how long people will be camping out prior to the 14 June deadline. Thank goodness for annual leave!

[saefirebird1856]

I spoke to one of the recruiters at the EMS Today Conference in Baltimore. He stated that they are still considering waiving the 3,000 application cap.

Here is the information for DC Fire.

[ltparadise]

Saw a couple of people ask about Medics, I dont know the details but I am a medic and called in oct 07 they told me to mail my app in that week and i did as they said they were going to have a test that month for medis. I didnt hear back until about a month ago when they called for a copy of my medic license. The lady said they were going to have a test very soon, thats the last iv heard. thats all I know about that, interested to know if anyone has any further info on that. I think if you are a medic you can apply by mail anytime, just call to make sure of that.

[clark918]

Anyone from the area know if the convention center is near a Metro(subway) stop? I am from Milwaukee, WI and would like to use public transportation instead of renting a car. Also because I'll most likely be staying for a couple nights in a PG County firehouse or two.

[LPFD53]

Depending on where you're coming from, you can take the green line to the 7th St, Convention center stop, or the Red line to Gallery Place/ Chinatown and walk north a few blocks and you'll be there.
http://www.wmata.com/metrorail/systemmap.cfm

[evanbell]

There's a stop that stops at the convention center. It's on the green line and i believe the yellow line too. It's the 7th street/convention center stop

[NVetro]

When do you think they will open the doors to the convention center to accept applications?

[BigBruno]

When do you think they will open the doors to the convention center to accept applications?

According to the flyer that saefirebird1856 posted, the doors will be opened and applications will be accepted at 10 AM.

I guarantee there will be tons of people there!

[clark918]

Thanks guys. I'd probably be coming in on the Green Line anyway from PG County.

[saefirebird1856]

Saw a couple of people ask about Medics, I dont know the details but I am a medic and called in oct 07 they told me to mail my app in that week and i did as they said they were going to have a test that month for medis. I didnt hear back until about a month ago when they called for a copy of my medic license. The lady said they were going to have a test very soon, thats the last iv heard. thats all I know about that, interested to know if anyone has any further info on that. I think if you are a medic you can apply by mail anytime, just call to make sure of that.

I have the medic flyer, but cannot post it until tomorrow. It states that they are expecting recruiting to begin in April 2008.

[BigBruno]

Just out of curiosity, where did you find the DCFD hiring flyer? I can not seem to find it online anywhere.

[saefirebird1856]

Just out of curiosity, where did you find the DCFD hiring flyer? I can not seem to find it online anywhere.

I stopped by the recruitment table at the EMS Today Conference in Baltimore. I spoke to one of the recruiters at the event, and picked up their flyers.

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[VESmedic]

I have the medic flyer, but cannot post it until tomorrow. It states that they are expecting recruiting to begin in April 2008.

I'm alittle confused. Does this mean they are having a seperate entrance exame for already certified fire/medics??? I would definitely be interested in this if this was the case...

[SFD514]

Does anyone know if you can only apply for the Firefighter/Paramedic position if you have National Reg, or would a DC paramedic license be acceptable?

[saefirebird1856]

I'm alittle confused. Does this mean they are having a seperate entrance exame for already certified fire/medics??? I would definitely be interested in this if this was the case...

They are currently recruiting medics into dual role Paramedic/Firefighter positions:

Follow the link (View Current Openings) to find the Paramedic / Firefighter posting.

https://erecruit.pshcm.asmp.dc.gov/psp/hrprd/EMPLOYEE/HRMS/c/ROLE_APPLICANT.ER_APPLICANT_HO ME.GBL?NAVSTACK=Clear

Details:

Job Title:
PARAMEDIC FIREFIGHTER

Location:
Fire & EMS Training Academy
Reference:
10275



General Job Information
"Pay Plan, Series & Grade: FS-0081-1C
Salary Range: $48,731- $69,998
Closing Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008
Tour of Duty: Rotating Shifts
Area of Consideration: OPEN TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC

Number of Vacancies: Several
Agency: Fire & EMS Services Department -FB
Duration of Appointment: Permanent
Collective Bargaining Unit (Union): This position is in the collective bargaining unit represented by IAFF Local 36 and you may be required to pay an agency service fee through direct payroll deduction.
Opening date: Thursday, March 27, 2008
Duties
Brief Description of Duties: Paramedic/Firefighter is assigned to one of approximately thirty-three fire stations throughout the District of Columbia. Incumbent will primarily travel by Medic Unit or Fire Unit in a prompt and efficient manner in response to calls for emergency medical care of critically ill or injured patients. Incumbent assesses, evaluates and stabilizes patient's condition at the site of the emergency. Stabilizes critically ill and injured patients through the application of advanced life support techniques such as intubation, peripheral intravenous insertion, defibrillation and administration of pharmaceutical agents, etc. Reports verbally and in writing, observations and emergency care given to the patient at the scene and in transit to the receiving facility for record keeping and diagnostics purposes. Drives and operates firefighting apparatus of significant complexity, including pumpers, aerial ladder trucks and rescue trucks. Removes persons from fires, entrapments or other hazardous situations. Incumbent makes forcible entries. Operates hose lines and hydrant systems.
Qualifications
MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS REQUIREMENTS: TO QUALIFY FOR APPOINTMENT, ALL APPLICANTS MUST:

* Be a U.S. citizen at the time of appointment
* Be at least 19 years of age and must not have reached his or
her 31st birthday on the closing date of this position vacancy
announcement
* Possess a high school diploma or a certificate of equivalency
(GED) issued by a recognized department of education or have
at least one (1) year of experience as a sworn member of
principal municipal firefighting force of a city with a population of
500,000 or more persons
* Pass an assembled examination
* Must possess a current valid NREMT- Paramedic
certification
* Pass a scheduled physical ability test (PAT)
* Pass a urinalysis test for absence of substance or drug abuse
* Pass a thorough medical examination (including x-rays,
hearing , vision, and other laboratory tests)
* Pass a thorough background investigation of character and
personal history (e.g., prior employers, law enforcement
agencies, etc.) to determine suitability for appointment as a
Firefighter (Paramedic).

OTHER IMPORTANT INFORMATION: Applicants must be proficient in the use and comprehension of the English language. Persons with foreign language skills are encouraged to apply.

Hiring Bonus

A $7,000 dollar hiring bonus will be awarded to all newly hired employees. Before receiving a hiring bonus, the employee must enter into a service agreement with DC Fire and Emergency Medical Services Department for a period of two (2) years. For the purpose of the Hiring Bonus Program the phrase "newly hired" refers to an individual's initial (First) appointment with the District government, or reappointment after a break in service of more than three (3) years. An employee who moves from a District government agency to another without a break in service will not be considered "newly hired" by the agency he/she moves to and, for that reason, will not be eligible to receive a hiring bonus with that agency.
Ranking Factors

Conditions of Employment
Other Significant Factors: Clinical skill in the knowledge and application of pre-hospital basic and advance life support emergency medical care should be performed at an expert level of competency. Examples include: (a) expertise in the identification and interpretation of life threatening symptoms, (b) ability to record patient history and provide appropriate care and treatment, (c) experience in working under severe environmental and physical conditions.

The incumbent must successfully complete the Basic Probation Training Course and Evaluation Program, and will maintain the following minimum certifications for the duration of employment: Firefighter I and II, hazardous materials awareness and operations, or Emergency Medical Technician - Paramedic (EMT-P), cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR) Basic Life Support card, and Advance Cardiac Life Support (ACLS) card and any other certifications that may subsequently be required to maintain qualification as a Paramedic/Firefighter. Must maintain ability to pass self-contained breathing apparatus (SCBA) face-piece fit testing as required by OSHA Respiratory Protection Standard 29CFR1910.134. Must maintain physical fitness as defined by ability to successfully complete annual timed fitness testing via job-related fitness test.

Maintenance of a current valid driver's license is required
Residency Requirement
Residency Preference Amendment Act of 1998: An applicant for a position in the Career Service or for an attorney position (DS-905) in the Excepted Service who is a bona fide resident of the District of Columbia AT THE TIME OF APPLICATION, may claim a hiring preference over a non-resident applicant. To be granted preference, an applicant must: (1) be qualified for the position; and (2) claim preference at the time of application. Except for employees entitled by law to preference, preference will not be granted unless the claim is made at the time of application.
Information to Applicants
Veterans Preference: Applicants claiming veterans preference must submit official proof at the time of application.
Drug-Free Workplace: Pursuant to the requirements of the Drug-Free Workplace Act of 1988, the individual selected to fill this position will, as a condition of employment, be required to notify his/her immediate supervisor, in writing, not later than five (5) days after conviction of or a plea of guilty to a violation of any criminal drug statute occurring in the workplace.
How to Apply
Where to Apply: Candidates can apply online by selecting "Apply for this job" in the vacancy announcement. Candidates may also apply in person by completing a DC 2000 job application at the D.C. Office of Human Resources located at the Reeves Center: 2000 14th Street, N.W.; 4th Floor; Washington, D.C. 20009. DC 2000 employment applications may also be mailed to the Reeves Center address by the closing date of the position.

Contact Information: All inquiries related to employment and job applications should be directed to HR Answers at (202) 442-9700.
Disposition of Resume: Resumes received outside the area of consideration and/or after the closing date will not be given consideration. You must resubmit your resume to receive consideration for any subsequent advertised position vacancies.
Closing Statement
Job Offers: Official Job Offers are made by the D.C. Office of Human Resources Only.
EEO Statement: The District of Columbia Government is an Equal Opportunity Employer.
Equal Opportunity Employer: All qualified candidates will receive consideration without regard to race, color, religion, national origin, sex, age, marital status, personal appearance, sexual orientation, family responsibilities, matriculation, physical handicap, or political affiliation.
Notice of Non-Discrimination: In accordance with the D.C. Human Rights Act of 1977, as amended, D.C. Official Code, Section 2-1401.01 et. seq., (Act) the District of Columbia does not discriminate on the basis of actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin, sex, age, marital status, personal appearance, sexual orientation, familial status, family responsibilities, matriculation, political affiliation, disability, source of income, or place of residence or business. Sexual harassment is a form of sex discrimination which is also prohibited by the Act. In addition, harassment based on any of the above protected categories is prohibited by the Act. Discrimination in violation of the Act will not be tolerated. Violators will be subject to disciplinary action.

[evanbell]

Will May 15th be the only day you can pick up applications??

[clark918]

Will May 15th be the only day you can pick up applications??

I'm pretty sure it said you can print them off the internet. You don't have to pick them up in person. You will only have to drop them off in person.

[Marshall7]

do they only want NR-p's? or can you have your I?

[mikeco5]

Anyone heard when the next class is to start?

[PoconoFF]

Couple questions if anyone knows. What is the starting salery for ff/emt and does that salery start at academy or does it start when you graduate?

[CallMeTbag]

Couple questions if anyone knows. What is the starting salery for ff/emt and does that salery start at academy or does it start when you graduate?
Money grubbers need not apply.

[BigBruno]

Couple questions if anyone knows. What is the starting salery for ff/emt and does that salery start at academy or does it start when you graduate?

I believe the current starting salary is in the $44k range. I am sure someone currently with the department can give a more accurate figure.

Like most departments, the salary should start while in rookie school. A former co-worker of mine went through rookie school last year and he received his paycheck while in school.

[powerhouseoflp]

starting salary is 44,301 for new recruits who are emts, and it does start in the academy, but if you are goin to start the academy plan on saving enough money for at least 3-4 weeks, you wont see your first check until then, plus just hope to god the fools at paperwork dont mess your paperwork up cause it can take even longer, show up with a voided check as well if you want direct deposit, the first day is all about paperwork, but dont be an idiot show up early, sleep in your car if you have to but dont start out being a sh!t bag cause there are plenty on the dept

[PoconoFF]

Thanks for the real replys. Just wondering because FDNY starts you out at a very low wage through academy then you jump up when you graduate. I just cant take a huge paycut from my current salery. Gotta think of my family too and not just of myself. Right Teabag.

[justsomeguy17]

can anyone truthfully tell me if dcfrs is still as great as it was in the past? I'm planning on applying regardless, but I"ve heard that a good amount of people, already ff's, are very displeased with the politics. I have heard many changes are being made to the dept. and am now curious if it's the best place to attempt to get into. I've also applied to Moco, Fairfax, and am planning on applying to to Fred and Howard. Just wondering if dcfrs is would be a good place to work. Any advice?

[BigBruno]

can anyone truthfully tell me if dcfrs is still as great as it was in the past? I'm planning on applying regardless, but I"ve heard that a good amount of people, already ff's, are very displeased with the politics. I have heard many changes are being made to the dept. and am now curious if it's the best place to attempt to get into. I've also applied to Moco, Fairfax, and am planning on applying to to Fred and Howard. Just wondering if dcfrs is would be a good place to work. Any advice?

My young friend, no matter where one earns their green, that said department or organization will have their fair share of issues or unfavorable policy changes. One must take into consideration all of the positive aspects of the fire departments they wish to work for.

Unfortunately, we live in a society that concentrates on negativity rather that putting things into perspective by considering all the great things about a person, an issue, or a fire department. This way of thinking, in my opinion, stems from the media always reporting negative news. When was the last time that you heard on the news of all the progress that our men and women of the Armed Forces have made in the Middle East as opposed to insurgent violence or civilian deaths? When was the last time you heard on the news of brave firefighters making multiple rescues or saving a piece of property as opposed to the latest scandal? Hopefully, you understand what I am trying to emphasize.

Politics? I can not think of a workplace that does not suffer from politics, especially fire/EMS departments. If politics are that big of an issue to some, then they should sow their oats elsewhere.

DCFD is a fantastic department. The department stands high as one of the best in the nation. They are a very traditional, agressive and dynamic fire department and should be relished and applauded for these qualities.

Remember, a career fire department is a para-military organization. They are bound to upset some with politics and regulations.

[MIFD256E9L1]

I have been looking into DC for a little while now, and I have a few questions that hopefully someone can answer. I am a Medic, how does DCFD work with their FF/Medics, do they work the Medic engines only or do they do time on the ambulance? I know other department like Baltimore City; the FF/Medics do two shifts on the Engine and two shifts on the Bus (ambulance). And does anyone know how the department is with helping Medics recertify their Paramedic when it comes time to refresh?

[CallMeTbag]

Thanks for the real replys. Just wondering because FDNY starts you out at a very low wage through academy then you jump up when you graduate. I just cant take a huge paycut from my current salery. Gotta think of my family too and not just of myself. Right Teabag.

You are worrying about furnishing your home when you still got a pile of wood and bricks laying in font of you. Worry about making the cut first. Don't worry about how much you feel like getting paid. There are droves of men who will gladly step right around you. All they care about is getting their dream job.

[powerhouseoflp]

well i can tell you for a fact the medics do ride engines, there is a plus and minus to this, i am only an emt-b, dc only staffs for now 2-2, 1 chauffeur, officer and 2 on the backstep, at full staff an engine company will be staffed with 7 guys, but only four ride the engine, so the others get detailed out and have to keep track of details, as a medic you will be riding on a paramedic engine, which means you show up to work and you never get detailed and you always ride your piece, if you show up early to grab the line position, granted there is no rookie on your step, you will always have the line (now you could be a good guy and after 12 hours of your 24 shift you could give it up, but thats if your a team player) thats one plus of being a medic on this job but it always brings some hostility, because, out of all your backstep guys, when your at work it only leaves one open spot to ride your engine (DC runs a lineman and a layout man on the back step) so the other men are always getting detailed, some guys get pissed at this some dont, this is one way to promote getting medics to the dept, plus there is a rumor floating around about a sign on bonus, but that hasnt happend yet. a negative side of being a medic, is you will never ride a truck company or go to a rescue company, for now, you will only be an engine man, now this is only my opinion, but a negative about being a medic, is that you never get detailed so you never meet the other men of this great dept, and when your name floats around whether it be a positive or a negative no one will ever know who the f&ck you are, and like i said before, if you think you are some truck man hero, you will never be able to ride one, so take this post as you will, as for renewing your license i have no idea, i do know you cant let it expire or crap happens to you, so good luck

[clark918]

Does anyone have any recommendations on when to get there to hand in my app? I've never had to do something like this before and I'll be coming from Milwaukee, WI. So if I'm flying all the way over, I definitely don't want to get there too late. I mean I'll stand there all night if I have to, but what would be needed?

[clark918]

They released the info today on their site. I don't see anything about being in the first 3000. It says just be there between 9am-3pm. Did the drop the 3000 cap?

[evanbell]

they may have...when i talked to recruitment last week the guy said it was a good possibility they may take all applications since they are changing the way they are accepting application. he said they weren't entirely sure yet though

[NVetro]

Guys/Gals,

Maybe i'm missing something, but I cannot find the application at the DC fire department website as stated in image posted 1 or 2 pages back. It says:

"Applications can be downloaded from the DC Department Human Resources website
(http:/dchr.dc.gov)"

I do not see anything there related to the EMT/Firefighter position, if you click on Employment Opportunity i can search for the req but it wants me to do the standard process to apply for any position...where can I can download the app and print it out?

[evanbell]

the general application is what you need to print out. i called and asked recruitment

[NVetro]

Is this the general application form? the DC200:

http://dchr.dc.gov/dcop/frames.asp?doc=/dcop/lib/dcop/pdf/dc2000_residency_preference2.p df

There are 3 applications listed here:

http://dchr.dc.gov/dcop/cwp/view,a,1216,q,528944.asp

[DCFDCAR5]

DC2000 is the proper form to apply for employment. The residency preference form does not apply to non-residents, and the volunteer form does you no good if you want to be paid.

[NVetro]

The "Ranking Factor" does not apply to the fire dept application correct? The announcement does not have any information related to the ranking factor, the directions say it should. I assume this is a generic area for other positions.

[NVetro]

I gave a call to the DC Fire/HR office and they said they did not know what the "Ranking Factor" is on the DC2000 application and to leave it blank as there have been several people that called up regarding this......

I'm personally am not taking this as a final answer lol, the last thing I want is to hand in this app with this section not completed and be denied. I'll get more info soon i hope.

[StevenMcCaffery]

With the mass of hiring the DCFD has been doing will they still be hiring off of this new test?

[CaponeCEO]

well i can tell you for a fact the medics do ride engines, there is a plus and minus to this, i am only an emt-b, dc only staffs for now 2-2, 1 chauffeur, officer and 2 on the backstep, at full staff an engine company will be staffed with 7 guys, but only four ride the engine, so the others get detailed out and have to keep track of details, as a medic you will be riding on a paramedic engine, which means you show up to work and you never get detailed and you always ride your piece, if you show up early to grab the line position, granted there is no rookie on your step, you will always have the line (now you could be a good guy and after 12 hours of your 24 shift you could give it up, but thats if your a team player) thats one plus of being a medic on this job but it always brings some hostility, because, out of all your backstep guys, when your at work it only leaves one open spot to ride your engine (DC runs a lineman and a layout man on the back step) so the other men are always getting detailed, some guys get pissed at this some dont, this is one way to promote getting medics to the dept, plus there is a rumor floating around about a sign on bonus, but that hasnt happend yet. a negative side of being a medic, is you will never ride a truck company or go to a rescue company, for now, you will only be an engine man, now this is only my opinion, but a negative about being a medic, is that you never get detailed so you never meet the other men of this great dept, and when your name floats around whether it be a positive or a negative no one will ever know who the f&ck you are, and like i said before, if you think you are some truck man hero, you will never be able to ride one, so take this post as you will, as for renewing your license i have no idea, i do know you cant let it expire or crap happens to you, so good luck


Sounds like DC is doing what many departments in Mass do. Like everyone else here I applied to DC as a PM/FF, and have been reading up on the department. Anywhere you go you will have to deal with politics, I'm on a busy dept just south of Boston (6000 runs annually w/9 man minimum)so I am really looking for a big city to work in. Plus I do love DC. Basically as a medic anywhere we should expect to be detailed out to ambulances, if not currently I'm sure in the future. It only makes sense for staffing. People really need to be aware of the fact that the ambulance is 90% of any depts volume before they get detailed to it. I heard about the PEC assignments and thought it sounded like a dream job, but with how progressive DCEMS seems to be right now I know the ambulance details will be coming down the pipeline. I still am going to pursue it and I hope that the detailing doesnt rub anyone the wrong way because I would work the bus whenever needed just to be in a big city and eventually end up on a piece for good (or relatively good).

[BigBruno]

Has anyone gotten their application filled out? Even after making some phone calls, I still do not feel very comfortable leaving the two pages of ranking factors blank.

[MIFD256E9L1]

I applied to DC as a Medic/FF online, but I have not heard anything from them yet. Anyone know how long they usually take to even get back to the applicant?

[MTGillinois]

Do you have to hand the application in in person? or can it be mailed in?

[mpullen32]

In person, June 14th at the convention center.

[nozzlenut264]

any information on the ranking factor section of the application? im not really sure what to put in this section, and also i have my certs and such will they be taking or looking at them and also a resume? this is the first time for dc for me and i dont want to look like a fool......thanks for the help!

[hvyfire]

I am applying for the test this month. I would like some clarification from a
DC Fireman about FF/EMT's and ambulance duty. Do you ride it and for how long? Is it only if your in a house with a bus or can you detailed to one?
Thank you very much.

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I have heard that this is an extremely hard written exam? I have taken several civil service tests and this is aparently not like any other test, is this true? Has anybody out there used that test-prep site and bought the materials? Was is helpful? Thank you.

[powerhouseoflp]

i used don mcnea test prep, it helped me out tremendously and got me the job, if i had to recomend one, that would have to be it

[PropheticPoet83]

i used don mcnea test prep, it helped me out tremendously and got me the job, if i had to recomend one, that would have to be it

i just oredered from them....i hope your right...thanks...

[BigBruno]

i used don mcnea test prep, it helped me out tremendously and got me the job, if i had to recomend one, that would have to be it

Thank you for the information. In addition to the written test package (for DCFD), would you reccommend a psych exam/interview prep from Don McNea as well? And if so, which psych package?

I am psyched about handing my application in!

[powerhouseoflp]

i never ever used a psych test manual, i just went in and was honest, just make sure you dont make yourself look like you are a drunk, drug addict, or person who hears voices in your head, i will let you know that the psych test is around 700 questions and is an all day affair, because after you finish your test, they grade it or look it over, then you go and sit in front of a shrink and he evaluates the questions that came up "suspicious". But the psych is a long way away, just make sure you get to the convention center early camp out if you have to, thats what i did, from 7pm the night before in cold ass march weather, i was the 20th person in line. they said there is no limit on how many apps. they will be taking, but just to be sure get there early. make sure you have two forms of ID, when i handed mine in they didnt give you anything about handing your application in,(like a reciept or anything) so make sure you have two copies, i was so paranoid that boo accepting the applications would lose it, she just looked at my app, looked at my id's, stamped my app, and said good luck we will mail you your test day, and off i went, so good luck to everyone, and see ya on the job

[lukequintin]

In my experience there is no advantage to getting to the writen test site early. In fact it can be a major disadvantage. Most departments want as many applicants as possible and will not turn you away as long as show up before the time that they said they will no longer except applications. In bigger cities it is a major production that takes alot of time. It makes no sense to wait in line for 3 hours, be the first one in and have to wait another 2 hours while they sign in the other 3000 peolpe. Not to mention the half hour it takes them to get everybody to fill out their test form (and give instructions for the test). Then you have a 2-3 hour test to take. I did that my first year. I was totally focused and ready. By the time it was actually time to take the test, I was restless, starving and completly annoyed by the amount of time I had been there. Watching the few last people walk in (with the same focus and freshness I had 5 hours earlier) and wait less than one hour made me realize that my eagerness to get there early was no advantage at all. These last few times I made sure to get there no earlier than one hour. When I got the test I was ready to rock and roll. The results reflected the same.

Just my take on the topic. Good Luck.

[nozzlenut264]

powerhouse i take it by your post your on the job? congrats. i have a queation about the application, it has a part about ranking factors. im not sure what to put in that area if you could shine abit of light on it? thanks for the help and keep safe thank you.

[BigBruno]

i never ever used a psych test manual, i just went in and was honest, just make sure you dont make yourself look like you are a drunk, drug addict, or person who hears voices in your head, i will let you know that the psych test is around 700 questions and is an all day affair, because after you finish your test, they grade it or look it over, then you go and sit in front of a shrink and he evaluates the questions that came up "suspicious". But the psych is a long way away, just make sure you get to the convention center early camp out if you have to, thats what i did, from 7pm the night before in cold ass march weather, i was the 20th person in line. they said there is no limit on how many apps. they will be taking, but just to be sure get there early. make sure you have two forms of ID, when i handed mine in they didnt give you anything about handing your application in,(like a reciept or anything) so make sure you have two copies, i was so paranoid that boo accepting the applications would lose it, she just looked at my app, looked at my id's, stamped my app, and said good luck we will mail you your test day, and off i went, so good luck to everyone, and see ya on the job

Thank you very much for the info. So, in a nutshell, the psychologist is looking for consistency? I am going down two days early, overkill...maybe, but this is an oppurtunity of a lifetime!

By the way, how do you like working in SE?

[BigBruno]

powerhouse i take it by your post your on the job? congrats. i have a queation about the application, it has a part about ranking factors. im not sure what to put in that area if you could shine abit of light on it? thanks for the help and keep safe thank you.

I spoke with Human Resources last week and asked Carmen that very question.

The ranking factors do not apply to this position so the applicant is to leave this section blank.

Also, does anyone know if a resume and copies of certifications are to be included with the application on the 14th?

See you down there!

[powerhouseoflp]

To answer your question i am on the job, have been for close to 2 years now (trust me i dont have that 2/20 syndrome) just tryin to help out fellas get the best job in the world, and i cant complain, ive made alot of great friends, have met alot of great fireman, and have been taught alot of great skills and tactics from a bunch of great guys, fire and ems, its a great all around dept. no matter what rumors you hear, its still to me the greatest job in the world, i wouldnt change it for the world, as for working in south east, you catch alot of unique calls, i love south east, not to take away from working in NE or NW up in engine 11 or 6 engine area, im at 8 engine its a great house, you travel all over catch alot of boxes, and its not a paramedic engine so its even better, but i digress, as for the application process, make at least two copies of everything. you never know who is going to lose somthing or who is goin to say you never handed it in, as for previous certifications dont worry about bringing them, if there is a spot on the application to list all of your certs, go ahead and do it, if i can remember im pretty sure there is, bring your certs when you get schedualed for your blue book (background investigation) and a little hint keep your license point free and your piss drug free, or see ya later, as for the ranking factors, ive seen guys on here keep asking the same question, LEAVE IT BLANK IT DOESNT CONCERN YOU, but like i said good luck to everyone, and dont let rumors discourage you, its still the best job even if you have to ride the ambo, its in your job description.

[mpullen32]

Just to clarify, the only thing that will be handed in is the application itself right? Also does anyone know what the Vacancy Announcement Number is?

[PropheticPoet83]

are they still accepting only 3,000 applications....?

[evanbell]

I'm from the area and i heard a rumor that they were really only taking 1000 and not 3000. Not sure on the validity of it but just FYI

[PropheticPoet83]

I'm from the area and i heard a rumor that they were really only taking 1000 and not 3000. Not sure on the validity of it but just FYI

i'm coming from NYC...so i guess i'm going to have to camp out.....to make sure i'm with in the 1,000 applications.....oh well...

any hotels near the CONVENTION CENTER?

[evanbell]

Renaissance and Grand Hyatt are both a block or two away.

[PropheticPoet83]

Renaissance and Grand Hyatt are both a block or two away.

thank you....

[clark918]

I called and asked. There is no limit to the applications that they are taking. If you are in line at the time where they take the(9-3), you will be fine. If there is still a line at 3:30 and you jump in, they will not accept it. So show up on time and you should be fine.

There's a hostel about a block or two from the Convention Center. I'm actually considering that. It's only about $30. Not as nice as a hotel, but I fugure I'll only be in there for a small amount of time.

[cellarnozzle]

Is 10766 the Vacancy announcement number?
Thanks

[PropheticPoet83]

I called and asked. There is no limit to the applications that they are taking. If you are in line at the time where they take the(9-3), you will be fine. If there is still a line at 3:30 and you jump in, they will not accept it. So show up on time and you should be fine.

There's a hostel about a block or two from the Convention Center. I'm actually considering that. It's only about $30. Not as nice as a hotel, but I fugure I'll only be in there for a small amount of time.

yeah i'm looking for a place to stay for a while i'm there....only for a day tho....i'm going to look into this hostel too....

[RngrVnc33]

Anyone getting "dressed up" to drop off the app, Im picturing this being a get in get out quick sort of deals but am not sure. Thanks

[PropheticPoet83]

Anyone getting "dressed up" to drop off the app, Im picturing this being a get in get out quick sort of deals but am not sure. Thanks

i'm not...your just handing in a application....

[clark918]

yeah i'm looking for a place to stay for a while i'm there....only for a day tho....i'm going to look into this hostel too....

I'm staying at HI - Washington DC, USA. Try searching for that on google. It's only $29/night if you stay in a 10-person room. I've never stayed in one before, but I figure I'll only be in the room for a few hours of sleep it's no big deal. It's about two blocks from the Convention Center.

[Mack22]

Clark918, you have a PM from me.

Mack

[BigBruno]

Is 10766 the Vacancy announcement number?
Thanks

That is correct. I confirmed this with Human Resources.

[Fannin]

What time is everyone planning on showing up to get in line?

[lukequintin]

What time is everyone planning on showing up to get in line?

I posted this earlier in the week but was still on "post review" so it got buried.
So I thought I'd repost it. I'm not in your area at all but when I tested I learned this:

In my experience there is no advantage to getting to the writen test site early. In fact it can be a major disadvantage. Most departments want as many applicants as possible and will not turn you away as long as show up before the time that they said they will no longer except applications. In bigger cities it is a major production that takes alot of time. It makes no sense to wait in line for 3 hours, be the first one in and have to wait another 2 hours while they sign in the other 3000 peolpe. Not to mention the half hour it takes them to get everybody to fill out their test form (and give instructions for the test). Then you have a 2-3 hour test to take. I did that my first year. I was totally focused and ready. By the time it was actually time to take the test, I was restless, starving and completly annoyed by the amount of time I had been there. Watching the few last people walk in (with the same focus and freshness I had 5 hours earlier) and wait less than one hour made me realize that my eagerness to get there early was no advantage at all. These last few times I made sure to get there no earlier than one hour. When I got the test I was ready to rock and roll. The results reflected the same.

Just my take on the topic. Good Luck.

[mpullen32]

This is not for the written test, this is only to hand in the application. I will be arriving at the convention center around 2am most likely. Traveling down from PA with about 15 guys in tow.

[evanbell]

I'll be there around 9pm Friday night

[clark918]

Is there really a point on showing up 12 hours early? When I called they said that it won't matter. You can show up at noon and still get your app in. I was thinking of going at like 7.

[evanbell]

I'm just worried that if i do that they will still take it but not consider me. I've heard too many rumors and people in the area in local fire department say they were capping the applications accepted to take a chance. Why would they admit to a cap? If they did and people get down there and they don't take the apps then they could have a potential riot on their hands. Of course they'll say they are going to take them all.

[clark918]

Well I'm staying about two blocks away so I guess I'll just keep an eye on things. If a line starts to form then I'll jump in. Definitely don't want to ruin my chance when I'm making the trip from Milwaukee. I just don't think that they would straight up lie to me when I called though. He went over it quite a few times(the recruiter that I talked to) that I would be fine if I got in line at any point between the time limit. Like I said though, if I start to see people form a long line, I'm jumping in anyway.

[mpullen32]

This is how I am looking at it, if you get in line overnight you will wait for 6-10 hours. Now if you get in line at 9 when the doors open, I am sure you will wait almost the same amount of time due to everyone that was already in line going through the process. Either way, its going to be close if not the same amount of time.

[clark918]

Just want to double check with everyone, we need our app and an id. That's it right?

Also, I just noticed on one of their flyers that they are using the CPAT now. I think I heard it was their own PAT last time.

[MIFD256E9L1]

I will be taking my FF/Medic written for DC in two weeks, anyone have any idea how the test is, and what type of test it is? Is is two separtate test a FF and then Medic test, or is it all in one?

[clark918]

I ended up giving in and I got in line at 1:00AM. I was number 217 or something since I got skipped when people rushed for the door. haha

Some of the people in line pissed me off though. A lot of them said that they only applied because of the money. They figure they get resident points so they will have a good shot at a job where no schooling is required. One guy even said, "How hard can it be to run into fires? I'll easily do that for what we get paid. Then I can also feel happy because I'm always saving people." A lot of people that lived in the area seemed to be gone from the line the entire time until morning as well. They just met up with friends and skipped everyone else. This is the best one. Two guy next to me started rolling a blunt. Then they asked me to save their spot while they go smoke it. I just hope I don't lose out on getting the job to some guy like this when I flew in from Milwaukee, waited in line all night, and actually WANT the job. There were still plenty of good people, but there were also a lot of bad ones.

Anyone on here think they had a high number? Just curious about how many applied.

[saefirebird1856]

I got there at 10:15 and was out within 15 minutes. I was number 1173

[evanbell]

same here there were guys in front of me that were cutting people left and right all night. they looked like they'd never set foot on a fire truck let alone a gym. the n word left their mouths about every 10 seconds and they were eating fried chicken on the bone and throwing the bones all over the sidewalk and when we got up to leave they left all their trash everywhere and just laughed at the guys that came around telling people to take their trash with them. i'll tell you what, that's not somebody i'd want around in my fire house. it really is disgusting that someone like that could get the job over someone that genuinely wants it and has put time in in training, just because they live in the district and get an extra 10 points. if anything it should be the opposite...minus 10 points...

[BigBruno]

Double post, apologies. Moderator please delete.

[BigBruno]

I was # 1 in line. It was a wild couple of nights, but WELL worth it! I was awoken about 0430 to a couple guys yelling at the top of their lungs about sports and the Cincinatti Reds...haha.

Did anyone else see all the commotion on 7th and Mt. Vernon? Apparently this dude jumped into the crowd and stabbed himself?!?! By the time I got up there, he was on his face wearing handcuffs.

All in all, I met some fantastic people (residents and applicants and DC firefighters).

How did it go for everyone else?

[splinters8]

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[mpullen32]

I ended up being number 196.

[PropheticPoet83]

same here there were guys in front of me that were cutting people left and right all night. they looked like they'd never set foot on a fire truck let alone a gym. the n word left their mouths about every 10 seconds and they were eating fried chicken on the bone and throwing the bones all over the sidewalk and when we got up to leave they left all their trash everywhere and just laughed at the guys that came around telling people to take their trash with them. i'll tell you what, that's not somebody i'd want around in my fire house. it really is disgusting that someone like that could get the job over someone that genuinely wants it and has put time in in training, just because they live in the district and get an extra 10 points. if anything it should be the opposite...minus 10 points...

totally agree...i saw some real ignorant stuff sadly they get a extra 10 pts...i came from NYC....i got their at 11am and i was # 1270....i was in there for about 5 minutes...lol...

if they close their doors at 3pm i guess they should have about 3k applications...cause when i got there basically no one was there or coming....it was real slow....when i took the FDNY test 35k ppl where taking it...i think the odds in DC are in my favor....

i saw alot of out of shape ppl too...not judging...but i was curious if they could actually pass a CPAT.....

but any way are we suppose to keep or #'s as reference?

oh yeah GOOD LUCK everyone....

[ATLguy]

but any way are we suppose to keep or #'s as reference?

Mine says "Please maintain as proof of your application submission on June 14th, 2008."

[evanbell]

keep your number...it proves you were there to turn in an application. if for some reason yours was to get lost that is the only way you can prove you were there.

[clark918]

I wish they would have required EMT-B to apply since that's the new part of the position. At least half of that crowd would be gone, probably more. Having competition is one thing, but it's the type of people that were there that make it so bad. I'm still in shock that the guy next to me asked me to save his spot so he could go smoke weed. There was a nice guy about 2 spots behind me that was there all night as well. He looked a little older. After I finished with my application, I heard on the PA, "If you were born before this date or after this date you are not elibible." So they might have looked at his and deemed him not eligible before they announced that.

Does anyone know if they will take CPAT certs within the last year? Or will we have to take it again? I just took the CPAT again last month so it would be eligible for DC if they take them.

Also did anyone order that Don McNea prep guide yet? I thinking of ordering today. Not sure which one to get, but they bigger one is only $10 more so I'll probably get that.

[nozzlenut264]

i also was in and out in a flash, i was very happy with how things went, i was #792. i did hear a few people talking about the money and such....i was not very impressed with the people who was talking all that "smack" i too had a guy say say something about not having to work every day of the week and get good money for doing it. pissed me off but other then that i was happy with how things went. happy to see alot of guys and girls who really want the job! and i got to see engine 3 run a medical call to that was nice way to top it all off.

keep safe everyone

[wilhelm1202]

ya my buddy was there at like 2:00 or 2:30 and his number is 1475, pretty sure they didnt get 3000 haha.

[powerhouseoflp]

Guys dont worry about who said what and who did what, most of the time those F&cks get weeded out anyway, plus the dudes smokin weed are probably dumb enough to smoke the **** before they go take their piss test, so dont worry about that, in the end it all works itself out, just stay motivated and confident, remember you still have to go through numerous tests. Good luck to you guys and see ya on the job, One more thing, i was told when getting on the job they go through 100 guys to get 30 good guys per class, just keep those odds in sight and it will keep you motivated

[dcfdsid]

Here are a few tips for you applicants to ensure a smooth hiring process.


NEVER THROW AWAY ANYTHING FROM DCFD OR DCOP. They are notorious for losing things.

Stop talking on here about what you saw and what you heard. Keep your F$%^ing comments to yourself about the other applicants.

IF you were wearing a DCFD T-shirt while standing in line to put in an application, throw it away. Those shirts are earned and should not be sold to non-members (a topic for another day).

There will be a lot of rumors. DONT LISTEN TO ANY OF THEM. Call the recruitment officer if you have questions.

If you have questions about the current EMS Staffing plan, being a medic, or anything more about the hiring process EMAIL ME. I will be more than happy to form a letter up with some FACTS AND DETAILS.

IF you do get hired and need somewhere to stay during the academy, EMAIL ME. There are plenty of brothers on the job that have rooms to rent.

If you do get hired and you need a REALTOR to buy a house, EMAIL ME. I will square you away.

Take some time to read EVERYTHING ON DCOP.DC.GOV about the position. Some of you guys ALREADY can not follow directions or asked questions that where clearly on the job posting.

AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW:

WRITTEN EXAMINATION:

THE WRITTEN FIREFIGHTER (EMT) EXAMINATION IS SCHEDULED FOR SATURDAY, August 23, 2008 at the Walter E. Washington Convention Center. THIS IS THE ONLY DATE THAT THIS EXAMINATION WILL BE GIVEN.

The written examination will consist of approximately 105 multiple- choice and 50 additional questions that measure both cognitive ability (e.g., problem solving) and firefighter (EMT) orientation (e.g., attitude/personality characteristics) found to be related to successful work performance.

All qualified applicants will be scheduled to take the written examination. Applicants not invited to take the examination are encouraged to reapply at a future date to be determined by the DC Department of Human Resources.

Applicants who pass the written examination will be scheduled to take the IAFF/IAFC Candidate Physical Ability Test (CPAT) based on the hiring needs of the Department. The CPAT will consist of a series of physical activities designed to simulate some of the essential physical tasks performed by the Firefighter (EMT). Such activities require cardiovascular fitness, muscle strength, muscular endurance, and flexibility.



IF you need anything else, any questions answered, email me at richard.polish@gmail.com


Good Luck and remember KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT!

Sid
DCFD Truck 17 #1

[PropheticPoet83]

Here are a few tips for you applicants to ensure a smooth hiring process.


NEVER THROW AWAY ANYTHING FROM DCFD OR DCOP. They are notorious for losing things.

Stop talking on here about what you saw and what you heard. Keep your F$%^ing comments to yourself about the other applicants.

IF you were wearing a DCFD T-shirt while standing in line to put in an application, throw it away. Those shirts are earned and should not be sold to non-members (a topic for another day).

There will be a lot of rumors. DONT LISTEN TO ANY OF THEM. Call the recruitment officer if you have questions.

If you have questions about the current EMS Staffing plan, being a medic, or anything more about the hiring process EMAIL ME. I will be more than happy to form a letter up with some FACTS AND DETAILS.

IF you do get hired and need somewhere to stay during the academy, EMAIL ME. There are plenty of brothers on the job that have rooms to rent.

If you do get hired and you need a REALTOR to buy a house, EMAIL ME. I will square you away.

Take some time to read EVERYTHING ON DCOP.DC.GOV about the position. Some of you guys ALREADY can not follow directions or asked questions that where clearly on the job posting.

AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW:

WRITTEN EXAMINATION:

THE WRITTEN FIREFIGHTER (EMT) EXAMINATION IS SCHEDULED FOR SATURDAY, August 23, 2008 at the Walter E. Washington Convention Center. THIS IS THE ONLY DATE THAT THIS EXAMINATION WILL BE GIVEN.

The written examination will consist of approximately 105 multiple- choice and 50 additional questions that measure both cognitive ability (e.g., problem solving) and firefighter (EMT) orientation (e.g., attitude/personality characteristics) found to be related to successful work performance.

All qualified applicants will be scheduled to take the written examination. Applicants not invited to take the examination are encouraged to reapply at a future date to be determined by the DC Department of Human Resources.

Applicants who pass the written examination will be scheduled to take the IAFF/IAFC Candidate Physical Ability Test (CPAT) based on the hiring needs of the Department. The CPAT will consist of a series of physical activities designed to simulate some of the essential physical tasks performed by the Firefighter (EMT). Such activities require cardiovascular fitness, muscle strength, muscular endurance, and flexibility.



IF you need anything else, any questions answered, email me at richard.polish@gmail.com


Good Luck and remember KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT!

Sid
DCFD Truck 17 #1

thanks for info....

wow...they barely got 3k applications......

[ecff08]

They got between 1550-1600 apps. Becoming an EMT-B is not a new part of the job title, unfortunately its been that way since about 1987. If this test is anything like the previous tests, you will do well if you have an IQ above 50. Unfortunately these tests have been completely dumbed down for reasons Im sure everyone can figure out on their own. Also dcfdsid is right, keep every piece of paper you get from the city. They will lose stuff. Good luck to everyone.

[clark918]

sid... Do you know how long the whole process usually takes?(written test until first academy class?) And are there a lot of vacancies and/or retirements?

Also, is this the first time they are doing the CPAT? I thought I saw on an old thread when I was trying to find some info that DC had their own PAT before. If it isn't the first time, do you know if they take CPAT certs from the past year? I'll end up calling to check, but I want to make sure I pass my written test before I worry about that.

Last, how do you guys feel about station visits? I live in Milwaukee so the East Coast is a little different. When I was there to hand in my app, I walked by Engine 16, but I heard sirens so often that I figured they might be busy and don't want to be bothered.

I was going to PM you, but I thought the others might want to know some of this too. Thanks for all of the info.

[PropheticPoet83]

sid... Do you know how long the whole process usually takes?(written test until first academy class?) And are there a lot of vacancies and/or retirements?

Also, is this the first time they are doing the CPAT? I thought I saw on an old thread when I was trying to find some info that DC had their own PAT before. If it isn't the first time, do you know if they take CPAT certs from the past year? I'll end up calling to check, but I want to make sure I pass my written test before I worry about that.

Last, how do you guys feel about station visits? I live in Milwaukee so the East Coast is a little different. When I was there to hand in my app, I walked by Engine 16, but I heard sirens so often that I figured they might be busy and don't want to be bothered.

I was going to PM you, but I thought the others might want to know some of this too. Thanks for all of the info.

thanks 4 not pming him....good questions here...i should have done the same....

[dcfdsid]

sid... Do you know how long the whole process usually takes?(written test until first academy class?) And are there a lot of vacancies and/or retirements?

Also, is this the first time they are doing the CPAT? I thought I saw on an old thread when I was trying to find some info that DC had their own PAT before. If it isn't the first time, do you know if they take CPAT certs from the past year? I'll end up calling to check, but I want to make sure I pass my written test before I worry about that.

Last, how do you guys feel about station visits? I live in Milwaukee so the East Coast is a little different. When I was there to hand in my app, I walked by Engine 16, but I heard sirens so often that I figured they might be busy and don't want to be bothered.

I was going to PM you, but I thought the others might want to know some of this too. Thanks for all of the info.

The entire process takes as long as DCOP decideds to take. It also depends on the need. It took me almost 2 years to get hired and my rank was #64 on the test list. I was in the 3rd class off my list.

YES to CPAT. Not really sure about the 1st time or not. We did a modified physical agility in the past. Now we do CPAT. No one cares if you took the CPAT in the past. Were you applying for DC? NO? Then take the test again. No one here cares about what you did at your old job. Use your knowledge and experience from your old job to help your fellow classmates and yourself from getting in to trouble and use that experience to help keep your mouth shut. Do not ask any more questions about the CPAT. We use it. Prepare for it. NUFF SAID?

There are certain fire stations that sell T-shirts and Patches and what not. Dont feel bad and dont take it personally if they dont suck your a$$ when you visit. These same houses are in prime tourist locations and are also a little on the busy side. NEVER VISIT AT MEAL TIME. Be polite, respectful, and ask about the house and the history and the brothers. Personally I like talking to brothers from around the country. Just dont visit me at meal time.

Sid

[clark918]

Thanks for the info.

I'm not trying to brag about my past or think I'm better when I asked about the CPAT. I asked because many departments require you to get the cert on your own. Many more say that you don't have to take it if you have one in the past year because it is a standard test that is the same everywhere. Sorry, I'm not sure what I said wrong there.

[Kaleb1983]

Sid,

Why are you trying to act like you're high and mighty? First off, your comment, "NEVER VISIT AT MEAL TIME." Who the F knows when your meal time is? Do you have a published schedule that people can review to know when breakfast, lunch, and dinner is? Dude, your job is to SERVE THE PUBLIC. The public is ANYBODY that comes to the station that does not currently work for the DCFD, whether they are an applicant or not. When somebody comes to my station -- meal time or not -- I am more than happy to talk to them and show them around. That's part of my job. So what if my dinner gets a little cool, I'll just heat it up.

Another thing...We may agree that nobody likes narcissistic people that talk about how great they were at their last job...Yes, that's annoying to most people. But you look like a d-bag by telling these people, "keep your mouth shut." The people on these forums are looking for advice, they don't need you to talk down to them like a 10 year old kid that's in trouble.

Perhaps we do things a little differently in my part of the world. I was considering applying for a Medic position with the DCFD, but if all fire personnel put on an "I'm better than you" facade, I'd rather not work there.




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"No one cares if you took the CPAT in the past. No one here cares about what you did at your old job. Use your knowledge and experience from your old job to help your fellow classmates and yourself from getting in to trouble and use that experience to help keep your mouth shut. Do not ask any more questions about the CPAT. We use it. Prepare for it. NUFF SAID? Dont feel bad and dont take it personally if they dont suck your a$$ when you visit. These same houses are in prime tourist locations and are also a little on the busy side. NEVER VISIT AT MEAL TIME. Be polite, respectful, and ask about the house and the history and the brothers. Personally I like talking to brothers from around the country. Just dont visit me at meal time."

[dcfdsid]

Thanks for the info.

I'm not trying to brag about my past or think I'm better when I asked about the CPAT. I asked because many departments require you to get the cert on your own. Many more say that you don't have to take it if you have one in the past year because it is a standard test that is the same everywhere. Sorry, I'm not sure what I said wrong there.


Dont get all sensitive on me Clarkie. My posting was not a direct shot at you and your background. I know it may have seemed that way but it was not. I got 22 emails from people telling me how many times they took the CPAT. DC will be giving the CPAT. Take it when they schedule you.

Sid

[clark918]

Okay thanks. Just don't want to have someone from DCFD lose respect for me before I even take the written. haha

Also, I just got the prep guide in the mail today. Haven't had a chance to look at it yet. Anyone else get one?

[dcfdsid]

Sid,

Why are you trying to act like you're high and mighty? First off, your comment, "NEVER VISIT AT MEAL TIME." Who the F knows when your meal time is? Do you have a published schedule that people can review to know when breakfast, lunch, and dinner is? Dude, your job is to SERVE THE PUBLIC. The public is ANYBODY that comes to the station that does not currently work for the DCFD, whether they are an applicant or not. When somebody comes to my station -- meal time or not -- I am more than happy to talk to them and show them around. That's part of my job. So what if my dinner gets a little cool, I'll just heat it up.

Another thing...We may agree that nobody likes narcissistic people that talk about how great they were at their last job...Yes, that's annoying to most people. But you look like a d-bag by telling these people, "keep your mouth shut." The people on these forums are looking for advice, they don't need you to talk down to them like a 10 year old kid that's in trouble.

Perhaps we do things a little differently in my part of the world. I was considering applying for a Medic position with the DCFD, but if all fire personnel put on an "I'm better than you" facade, I'd rather not work there.



Wow. I dont know how I missed this one.

Think what you like. I do not have a high and mighty attitude. This is what was told to me when I got hired, this is what I pass on to you. You will need tougher skin if you want to survive here in DC. You may think I am a Douche Bag but I am all about the brothers here in DC and anyone that I meet. All I am saying is this, if you visit a station and the brothers are sitting down to eat, polite ask if you can come back later. Our days are often non-stop and AS A FELLOW FIREFIGHTER, you should respect that fact and allow us a just a little down time where we are not serving anyone other than ourselves.

From the responses I have received via email, I think you are the only one that was personally offended. IT is my personal opinion that you think so highly of yourself, you can not accept the fact that no one cares what you did prior to getting hired by DCFD. You might even be a 25 year old firefighter that comes from a department that does NOT run in excess of 150,000 runs a year. Be my guest and let your dinner get cold. We do not publish a meal schedule. If you get hired, as I said before, use your past experiences to keep you safe and help our your fellow classmates who may have no fire service experience whatsoever. Use your past experiences in the fire service to also accept the fact that ROOKIES SHOULD BE SEEN AND NEVER HEARD. HENCE Keep your mouth shut.

If you have any more problems with this, please feel free to email me at my given address. OR IF YOU LIKE, I can get you in contact with some senior brothers that really could care less what you have to say. We do not all put on a "better than though" facade, and certainly I have never done so. I was just trying to keep some of these applicants from getting a bad rap before they even get hired on the job. Do you think that you are anonymous on these boards? Do you think that we wont find out who each and every one of you is if and when you get hired? Please dont be so naive.



To ALL OTHERS. My comments were not posted to offend. Only to offer some helpful advice. Take it or leave it. It is up to you.

Sid

[hvyfire]

"Keep your mouth shut" should be stamped on every recruit/probies forehead.
I love to see guys that are off probation for 5 minutes and they are in the recliner and telling senior men to f- off. ANYBODY that bitches about your comments do not understand the way this job works and we don't need them on the job. They would cry to the company officers because they have hurt feelings. Toughen up, this isn't the girls club. This is a nationwide trend, people coming on this job that have no clue as to how things should be. Your comments about helping brothers with living arrangements shows your dedication. Obviously, some people only took what they wanted to out of your comments, so they could bitch about it later. I tried to take the DC test, unfortunately, I am 31, too old.

Stay safe.

Michael

[Kaleb1983]

Sid,

I think you may have confused tough skin for allowing others to treat me poorly and talk down to me. My skin is plenty thick when it needs to be, but I don’t quite understand why you feel the need to show how big of a man you are on an online forum. Instead of coming across as helpful, you come across as somebody that has something to prove, with an attitude of “this is how it was for me, this is how it’s going to be for you and keep your mouth shut.” Oh yes, what a helpful stance to take. Though, your comment of, “All I am saying is this, if you visit a station and the brothers are sitting down to eat, polite ask if you can come back later. Our days are often non-stop and AS A FELLOW FIREFIGHTER, you should respect that fact and allow us a just a little down time where we are not serving anyone other than ourselves” did surprise me...It actually showed some reasoning instead of coming across as rude and abrupt.

“IT is my personal opinion that you think so highly of yourself, you can not accept the fact that no one cares what you did prior to getting hired by DCFD. You might even be a 25 year old firefighter that comes from a department that does NOT run in excess of 150,000 runs a year.”
What an interesting personal opinion. Seeing as you know nothing about me, I would be delighted to learn how you formed your opinion. Though, I have a feeling it was formed mostly out of assumption rather than fact. It doesn’t particularly matter to me if you care about what I have done in the past. Though, if I am working with somebody that’s new to the department, I want to know about their past. I want to know about their education and training. I want to know where they came from. It’s called having interpersonal skills. Perhaps you should polish yours. After all, you do work with the public on a routine basis, and being able to relate to others is important.

“Do you think that you are anonymous on these boards? Do you think that we wont find out who each and every one of you is if and when you get hired? Please dont be so naive.”

I know I’m not anonymous on this thread. There are a number of ways of tracking people on the Internet. What I do think is that you lack the mental fortitude that it takes to figure out my information. If I am wrong, then I welcome you to publish any information you can about me. Besides, if you have the time and resources to figure out personal information about me, then you must not be busy enough running those 150,000+ calls a year...Yet you claim that your “days are often non-stop.”

[powerhouseoflp]

Well, little sissy mary wants to be a paramedic for dc, but doesnt want to take advice from a well seasoned firefighter on the job, thats cool, most medics have your bull sh!t attitude too, be your ignorant self and stay in your "current" dept. trust me dc doesnt need a blow J0b like you, im guessing your from the fairfax/arlington area, Sid, even though i havent worked with you yet, you always have the guys best interests in mind, for all of you that want to know whats goin on, thats the man to talk to

[clark918]

I agree with what everyone else said. Even if I thought Sid's advice was complete crap(which I don't) and I just hated him in general, I still wouldn't say anything. He's a DC firefighter. I'm not even working there. It's just not smart or respectful to talk down on someone like that.

[PropheticPoet83]

I agree with what everyone else said. Even if I thought Sid's advice was complete crap(which I don't) and I just hated him in general, I still wouldn't say anything. He's a DC firefighter. I'm not even working there. It's just not smart or respectful to talk down on someone like that.

Sid has help me everytime i have emailed him...so i appreciated it...tho the "Keep your mouth shut" was a bit strong....i was not personally offended by it.....

but i agree with your post....keep it clean fella's....

[s8nsfreak]

anyone hear anything yet?

[ohioff4]

Anyone know what the retirement is?

[dcfdsid]

Anyone know what the retirement is?



July 4, 2008

Local 36 is pleased to announce that the Twenty Year Retirement legislation has passed the Council of the District of Columbia. We would like to also thank Council Member Phil Mendelson for adding the Firefighters to this legislation. It is important to note, that the legislation must still be acted on by the Mayor. Assuming the Mayor signs the legislation, it will then be transmitted to Congress for there normal 30-day review. Local 36 will post updates as they become available.



This is not final as you can see. I am also not sure of what percentage you would retire out with at 20 years. Dont quote me but it may be 50% at 20 years.

Sid

[PropheticPoet83]

anyone hear anything yet?

what about?

[ohioff4]

I just applied last week to the firefighter/medic position posted on dc website. It states it closes in September but I was wondering if they are planning a test for medics only or what they do or have done in the past. Any info is more than I got. THANKS!

[evanbell]

any suggestions on where to get a study guide from for this test?

[PropheticPoet83]

any suggestions on where to get a study guide from for this test?

http://www.fireprep.com/firefighter_emt_washington_dc_ .html

http://www.firebooks.com/Catalog.asp?Mode=PBN&ProdNum=322

best guides i've used so far.....

good luck....

[ATLguy]

Got my letter to take the test yesterday. Mailing in the reply today...

[PropheticPoet83]

Got my letter to take the test yesterday. Mailing in the reply today...

so they sending them out now...

what time is your test...

[clark918]

Good to know. I should probably hear in the next few days that since I'm pretty far and the mail will take a little longer.

[saefirebird1856]

Everyone tests on August 23rd from 9-1 at the Convention Center (where you turned in your application).

You have to respond to state whether you are taking the test or not by the 18th (it must be post marked), so if you haven't received your notice yet....you will very shortly.

[dcfdsid]

Everyone tests on August 23rd from 9-1 at the Convention Center (where you turned in your application).

You have to respond to state whether you are taking the test or not by the 18th (it must be post marked), so if you haven't received your notice yet....you will very shortly.

You have to respond by July or August 18?


Sid

[saefirebird1856]

Sorry.... to clarify, your response must be postmarked no later than JULY 18th.

[clark918]

Sorry.... to clarify, your response must be postmarked no later than JULY 18th.

I have a feeling that quite a few will drop out of the process before the written because of that. There has to be some that will forget or be too lazy when you have that many people.

[evanbell]

well i didn't even get mine till yesterday and i live across the river. some people will get screwed by getting them last minute...oh well. mine is in!

[clark918]

I got mine today and I'll be mailing it in on my way to work.

I'm most likely flying out to DC tomorrow or Friday if I can. I'm going to try to do a ride-along with Seat Pleasant(Co 8) in PG County. DC doesn't allow ride-alongs do they?

[evanbell]

try get a ride along with kentland in pg county if you can...2nd busiest engine company in the nation and they are all volunteer

[PropheticPoet83]

i just got mine....i live in NYC....wow....that was quick...

and i agree...many ppl will forget or get lazy and not send it out.....

how do you get a letter postmarked....

[BigBruno]

i just got mine....i live in NYC....wow....that was quick...

and i agree...many ppl will forget or get lazy and not send it out.....

how do you get a letter postmarked....

The postmark is automaticially done by post office workers after you physically drop it in the mail. The stamp or barcode that is on a piece of mail is the postmark.

Receiving that letter in the mail made my frickin day! I was at work and got about three different phone calls from people about the letters going out, so I left work like a bat outta hell for the post office!

[PropheticPoet83]

The postmark is automaticially done by post office workers after you physically drop it in the mail. The stamp or barcode that is on a piece of mail is the postmark.

Receiving that letter in the mail made my frickin day! I was at work and got about three different phone calls from people about the letters going out, so I left work like a bat outta hell for the post office!

thanks man....b/c i was worried...lol...

I live in New York and just got mine....wow...1 day...

[clark918]

When I need something postmarked by a certain date, I usually just go straight to the post office and ask them to do it in front of me. That way way you can be sure that it happens on time.

[PropheticPoet83]

When I need something postmarked by a certain date, I usually just go straight to the post office and ask them to do it in front of me. That way way you can be sure that it happens on time.

thanks for that advice...just went to the post office and sent in my letter...

[DCFDCAR5]

I got mine today and I'll be mailing it in on my way to work.

I'm most likely flying out to DC tomorrow or Friday if I can. I'm going to try to do a ride-along with Seat Pleasant(Co 8) in PG County. DC doesn't allow ride-alongs do they?

Officially, no. But you can call the PIO's office at (202) 673-3331 and ask anyway.

[DCFDCAR5]

try get a ride along with kentland in pg county if you can...2nd busiest engine company in the nation and they are all volunteer

You don't watch the news, do you?

[eaglesrule1024]

You don't watch the news, do you?

He doesn't seem to read this board either.

[clark918]

You don't watch the news, do you?

Haha, that's the main reason that I don't want to do one with them. I don't hear anything about that on the news in Milwaukee, but I've done my research. I'm not judging them in any way, but I'm trying to use PGFD as a stepping stone to help me out in becoming full-time. Having to worry about school, work, and then all of the extra drama, might hold me back. I just don't want to worry about getting caught up in all of the excitement.

And thanks for the info about calling the PIO. I'll definitely give him a call. Otherwise one of my captains over here travels out to the National Fire Academy a lot. He met the DC Chief recently and I guess the Chief told him that if he ever needs anything he can just call. He told him that he could get him into any building or pro sporting event in the area except for the White House. So getting a ride-along might be possible. Thanks again!

[evanbell]

You don't watch the news, do you?

Uh yeah I know what's going on with local fire departments and just because some guys made some bad decisions doesn't mean they don't do ride alongs anymore.

[BigBruno]

Yeah, got my study guide in the mail!

[PropheticPoet83]

Yeah, got my study guide in the mail!

me too...still going to buy some more study guides....

[redecholover]

Yeah, got my study guide in the mail!

BigBruno we should set up a study group??? any thoughts

[dcfdsid]

me too...still going to buy some more study guides....


Did you guys get DCFD issued study guides?


Sid

[BigBruno]

Did you guys get DCFD issued study guides?


Sid

Yes, sir. DCFD sent out an I/O Solutions booklet about 20 pages long with some sample questions.

[PropheticPoet83]

honestly this study guide is the best I used so far...check it out...

it has every thing the study guide DCFD sent to us...

very detailed....

http://www.fireprep.com/firefighter_emt_washington_dc_ .html

any other good study guides...?

[clark918]

honestly this study guide is the best I used so far...check it out...

it has every thing the study guide DCFD sent to us...

very detailed....

http://www.fireprep.com/firefighter_emt_washington_dc_ .html

any other good study guides...?

I bought that study guide as well. I like it a lot. I recently found out that the written test that I'm taking Monday for Milwaukee Fire Dept is by the same company as DCFD. So it will be similar.

poet... did you get to the personality section of that study guide yet?(It's only in the Gold Package I think) He says how it used to be smart to put either strongly disagree or strongly agree. However, recently he says its better for agree or disagree. So I'm a little confused about which to use.

[PropheticPoet83]

I bought that study guide as well. I like it a lot. I recently found out that the written test that I'm taking Monday for Milwaukee Fire Dept is by the same company as DCFD. So it will be similar.

poet... did you get to the personality section of that study guide yet?(It's only in the Gold Package I think) He says how it used to be smart to put either strongly disagree or strongly agree. However, recently he says its better for agree or disagree. So I'm a little confused about which to use.

yeah...they say that most applicants fail because of that section...like 40%-60%

the guide at all time picks either "agree" or "disagree"....

Honestly I'm wondering why it never suggests you pick "strongly agree/disagree"

I really want to know why...

but go with either "agree" or "disagree"...never pick "not sure"...also don't go with any of the "strongly agree/disaree" slections....

I pretty much failed my FDNY test because I didn't know anything about this section....until now...

[clark918]

yeah...they say that most applicants fail because of that section...like 40%-60%

the guide at all time picks either "agree" or "disagree"....

Honestly I'm wondering why it never suggests you pick "strongly agree/disagree"

I really want to know why...

but go with either "agree" or "disagree"...never pick "not sure"...also don't go with any of the "strongly agree/disaree" slections....

I pretty much failed my FDNY test because I didn't know anything about this section....until now...

Thanks. I really don't like that. The section isn't bad; it's just the strongly agree or agree thing. Kind of messes with you and it pointless. I'm excited for this test though.

O and to those suggesting a place to visit(in PG County), I went to Seat Pleasant(Co 8) and Hyattsville(Co 1). I'm staying at Hyattsville when I come for the written. Thanks for the suggestions though. I should definitely be living in the area by Mid-January. Hopefully I'll be working for DC, but otherwise I'm going to probably be a live-in at one of those places.

[PropheticPoet83]

Thanks. I really don't like that. The section isn't bad; it's just the strongly agree or agree thing. Kind of messes with you and it pointless. I'm excited for this test though.

O and to those suggesting a place to visit(in PG County), I went to Seat Pleasant(Co 8) and Hyattsville(Co 1). I'm staying at Hyattsville when I come for the written. Thanks for the suggestions though. I should definitely be living in the area by Mid-January. Hopefully I'll be working for DC, but otherwise I'm going to probably be a live-in at one of those places.

good luck....

[nfrcityjake]

I have chosen "strongly agree" or "strongly disagree" and have done very well on the last severeal test I have taken, so im not what there rhyme or reason is.

[PropheticPoet83]

I have chosen "strongly agree" or "strongly disagree" and have done very well on the last severeal test I have taken, so im not what there rhyme or reason is.

I took the FDNY test and did poorly in that section....My study guide recommends that we choose "agree or disagree"....

I don't know why "Strongly disagree/agree" are/is never selected.....

I'm going to try to find out why....

[clark918]

I have my written for Milwaukee FDtoday at 1:45. It's by the same company as DC. I'm a little worried about the presonality thing. Anyone find information about the things such as agree vs strongly agree?

[PropheticPoet83]

I have my written for Milwaukee FDtoday at 1:45. It's by the same company as DC. I'm a little worried about the presonality thing. Anyone find information about the things such as agree vs strongly agree?

PM Capt Bob...or Paul lepore...PM a guy thats on the job...probably he will know...

good luck...

[southsidepyro]

clark918: Have you heard anything on when they would start selecting applicants from the groups taking the Test in Aug. OR Let me ask it this way, on the applicant when the applicants are finished with the processing from the Aug. 23 test when they should be available to be select for the next class at that time.

[PropheticPoet83]

are they going to send out any notifications on test site...etc...?

[BigBruno]

are they going to send out any notifications on test site...etc...?

The information pertaining to the test site was sent to us along with the Letter of Intent.

To recap:

Date: 23 August 2008
Time: 0900-1300
Location: Walter E. Washington Convention Center

*Registration will begin @ 0800. Canidates arriving after 0830 will not be admitted to take the exam.

Bring a valid photo ID which must show signature and DOB.

Bring three (3) #2 pencils.

Do not bring: rulers, slide rulers, calculators, electronic devices to include cell phones and pagers.

Hope this helps.

[PropheticPoet83]

The information pertaining to the test site was sent to us along with the Letter of Intent.

To recap:

Date: 23 August 2008
Time: 0900-1300
Location: Walter E. Washington Convention Center

*Registration will begin @ 0800. Canidates arriving after 0830 will not be admitted to take the exam.

Bring a valid photo ID which must show signature and DOB.

Bring three (3) #2 pencils.

Do not bring: rulers, slide rulers, calculators, electronic devices to include cell phones and pagers.

Hope this helps.

thanks..........

[clark918]

Two questions...

Does anyone know how many sent back that RSVP to take the test? I'm sure a few didn't do it.

What are the residency requirements if hired? Just curious because I have a test on the same day for a city near Milwaukee that I would love to work for. Working there would be nice because it's not as expensive to live out here as it is in DC. I already decided that I'm sticking with DC because it's one of my dream departments, but I was wondering if we have to live in the District.

[evanbell]

No residency requirements. I know guys that live out in Fairfax and beyond. You could live in PA and commute 3 days a week if that suited you better.

[clark918]

Thanks evanbell. That's good to know. I know I'm a long way from getting hired, but its just something I like to think ahead about. As much as I'd love to live in DC, it would be tough to afford.

[evanbell]

It's not bad if you are renting...I make less than I would if I were hired by DCFD and I get by renting no problems. It's having to pay mortgages around here that's bad and can put a large dent in your wallet.

[ATLguy]

Good luck to everyone Saturday!

[PropheticPoet83]

Good luck to everyone Saturday!

yeah.....

GOOD LUCK EVERYONE!....

[DCFDCAR5]

What are the residency requirements if hired? Just curious because I have a test on the same day for a city near Milwaukee that I would love to work for. Working there would be nice because it's not as expensive to live out here as it is in DC. I already decided that I'm sticking with DC because it's one of my dream departments, but I was wondering if we have to live in the District.


We abolished the 25 mile radius requirement a few years ago. The only time there is a requirement to live IN the city is if you claim residency preference points, in which case you better live here when they check up on you...

We have members living 3-4 states away in some cases.

[clark918]

Thanks for the info.

Do any of the DC guys know how many that they are looking to hire right away? Or over the two years(if that's accurate) that the list is active? Just curious.

[PropheticPoet83]

Thanks for the info.

Do any of the DC guys know how many that they are looking to hire right away? Or over the two years(if that's accurate) that the list is active? Just curious.

I talk to a guy that took a test a few yrs back and got hired with in 8-9 monthes.....he scored a 90 and was pretty high on the list....from what he told me....

[sfdtruck1medic]

Anyone else in the paramedic/ff process? I haven't heard they were starting an academy in October? I know they were doing the CPAT orientation a couple of weeks ago. I never heard when the actual CPAT test was?

Ive tried to call carmen tate and she never answers the phone or returns calls. Seems that her mailbox is always full too.


Thanks!

[ecff08]

sfdtruck1medic turn on your PM

[evanbell]

Anyone else in the paramedic/ff process? I haven't heard they were starting an academy in October? I know they were doing the CPAT orientation a couple of weeks ago. I never heard when the actual CPAT test was?

Ive tried to call carmen tate and she never answers the phone or returns calls. Seems that her mailbox is always full too.


Thanks!

Welcome to DC government...

[fhfd3406]

Honestly thought the test was pretty simple, and pretty well organized. I don't know if they actually cut people off at 8:30 though considering there were still a number of people coming in at 9am still. Ohh well over all no complaints the test was easy and i hope everyone does well.

[clark918]

Honestly thought the test was pretty simple, and pretty well organized. I don't know if they actually cut people off at 8:30 though considering there were still a number of people coming in at 9am still. Ohh well over all no complaints the test was easy and i hope everyone does well.

Yea that kind of pissed me off. They said doors close at 8:30. Then we wre waiting to start because of everyone walking in at 9:00.

I agree it was pretty easy. The questions were identical to the test that I took for Milwaukee two weeks ago. They were just in a different order. I actually found a few mistakes that I made with Milwaukee's test though. haha Only thing that I'm a little nervous about was the personality section.

When I was there I talked to several people and they said that the rumor is that anyone that passes will eventually get a job offer because of the low turnout with the applications. Any truth to this?

I also went and took the test with a guy who already got a job offer. He just applied in case something goes wrong. He said he took the CPAT for them recently. I guess 60 were invited, 40 showed, and at least 15 failed.

[fhfd3406]

I work with a bunch of DCFD guys and they all said the same thing. Between retirements and new hires they are expecting to hire alot of people off of this list. I don't know the truth about everyone that passes but i am assuming that th