Cop pays fine for arresting fire chief

[CaptBob]

http://my.break.com/content/view.aspx?ContentID=453552

[eaglesrule1024]

im confused where is the Hiring or Employment part of this ?

[CaptBob]

im confused where is the Hiring or Employment part of this ?

Ah, think scenario.

[docflip4884]

This has nothing to do with hiring or employment, interesting and entertaining, however nothing to do with this forum. However I am open minded and would like to know why you think it does?

[CaptBob]

This has nothing to do with hiring or employment, interesting and entertaining, however nothing to do with this forum. However I am open minded and would like to know why you think it does?

OK, docflip, you're a medic right? Go back and look at the video and watch what the firefighters are doing even though the cheif is being arrested and cuffed.

"Captain Bob" www.eatstress.com

[eaglesrule1024]

I understand where your coming from but this shouldn't be in this discussion it should be in the firefighters forum in the thread about this if anything.

[CALFFBOU]

Funny how the Chief jumps out of the rig before a complete stop. What is a Fire Chief doing on an engine anyways?

[docflip4884]

OK, docflip, you're a medic right? Go back and look at the video and watch what the firefighters are doing even though the cheif is being arrested and cuffed.

"Captain Bob" www.eatstress.com

C'mon man, gimme a break, no matter what you say your post (and some of your others) have absolutely nothing to do with hiring and employment. Unless your giving advice about hiring processes, posting jobs, or giving information about departments for future canditates. It doesn't belong on here. Please, do us a favor and put where it belongs, general discussion. Thanks.

[5ltretr]

What is a Fire Chief doing on an engine anyways?
Pretty sure its a captain not a chief. This was discussed in another thread. http://forums.firehouse.com/showthread.php?t=98317&highlight=police+arrests+capta in

[FortechFEO]

Well first we won't ignore the glaring safety issue! The chief in no safety gear and leaping from the moving pumper. on a busy interstate. Shame!

Second! The crew continued on taking care of the patient after the chief was arrested. Way to be chief for showing some leadership and not backing down for your crew and crew safety!

For the cop that arrested him..must of had 18K burning a hole in his pocket! If I was a cop I'd be mad. That guy just gave people another reason to dislike cops. Not to mention possibly setting the PD up for a lawsuit for compromising patient care.

[eaglesrule1024]

It is a captain.

But for the Capt himself here is a link where the convo was/is going on just to help ya out.

http://forums.firehouse.com/showthread.php?t=98317&highlight=arrest

rob

[CaptBob]

Here's what I saw in the video as a possible oral board question in this hiring section:

Oral board question:

You’re a firefighter Paramedic/EMT on scene of a vehicle accident with injuries on the freeway when another rig arrives with an officer to assist you and blocks traffic for scene safety. When a police officer on the scene orders the rig to be moved to open a lane of traffic is refused he arrests the fire officer.

What do you do?

Considerations: Stay focused on scene safety, patient care, extrication and transport as ordered.

[JLam77]

Oral board question:

You’re a firefighter Paramedic/EMT on scene of a vehicle accident with injuries on the freeway when another rig arrives with an officer to assist you and blocks traffic for scene safety. When a police officer on the scene orders the rig to be moved to open a lane of traffic is refused he arrests the fire officer.

What do you do?

Considerations: Stay focused on scene safety, patient care, extrication and transport as ordered.Yeah, I bet that one gets asked all the time. :p

[nmfire]

Oh my god this guy is a piece of work.

[JayDudley]

I'll give all of you credit....You sure are a tough crowd!!

[DocVBFDE14]

The webteam must pay Major Spammer to update the home page too.

Always done a day late and dollar short. :rolleyes:

[ffbam24]

Yeah, I bet that one gets asked all the time. :pSometimes they are asked along those lines, yes.

I've been asked in two different orals similar questions:

-You are first EMS/FD to roll up on scene of a pretty significant MVC/MVA. The PD is in the car filling out paperwork and a patient is in the backseat of the patrol car with some fairly obivous bleeding going on. You are instructed to perform an examination by your officer, what do you do? The PD tells you "he is fine" and that there is "no need to examine him, he's just drunk"; what do you do?

-You arrive on scene of a MVC/MVA and PD is already there blocking part of the road. Your apparatus is parked in a position and the members go to start patient assessments. Your officer tells you to ask the PD move their patrol car so your apparatus can block traffic better. The PD refuses. You tell your officer who tells you to have them move it. What do you do?

JLam, you're not even on the job and have had ONE oral. Yet you admittedly used Captain Bob's website (good for you!) in one thread, but then disrespect him in another. WTF?

[jwboudreau55]

I don't usually get involved in these, but this one is a no-brainer. Those that were questioning it being here need to really think about things for a moment. I will admit, I was a bit confused until I read Capt. Bob's first reply (third post) and then thought it was an excellent post. This is at least the third time I have heard about this video, I have received it twice via email. Do you really think that the Officers that are involved in any hiring process are not going to use this as an example or question. If you don't think they will use it, then you are not very prepared for anything that they will ask you. I have been asked questions regarding stealing, drinking in the station, you name it. This is something that a majority of the Fire Service has seen and has an opinion on. Try to learn from this, not bash others!!!

[CaptBob]

Do you really think that the Officers that are involved in any hiring process are not going to use this as an example or question. If you don't think they will use it, then you are not very prepared for anything that they will ask you. I have been asked questions regarding stealing, drinking in the station, you name it. This is something that a majority of the Fire Service has seen and has an opinion on. Try to learn from this, not bash others!!!

jwboudreau55 and ffbam24 are on target. It’s not uncommon for an agency to ask an oral board question that has to do with a situation that happened on their department i.e. You’re on a call and you see a bag of what looks like pot fall out of your buddies shirt pocket. What do you do? This actually happened on this department.

I believe there are only about 30 oral board questions. Plus or minus a couple. But these 30 can be disguised into hundreds of different questions.

ffbam24 pointed out two different ways he was presented this scenario question. There are many, many more. Other ways it can be disguised are an irate citizen, emotional family member on the scene, etc. So, if you go back and watch the video again you will see the crew focused on scene safety, patient care and extrication to clear the scene.

Here is a simple way to break a disguised question down. Dissect the question down to its simplest term, one word, of what the question is really about. Once you have removed the disguise, you can place it in one of the 30 plus oral board questions you already have practiced answers with a hand held recorder that goes everywhere you car keys go.

[JLam77]

JLam, you're not even on the job and have had ONE oral. Yet you admittedly used Captain Bob's website (good for you!) in one thread, but then disrespect him in another. WTF?Lighten up, sparky. I'm just playin' around with the Captain. I'm not disrespecting anybody. I actually like Capt. Bob and yes, I used his website.

I made a little joke. Kindly take your righteous indignation down the hall.

So sensitive.........sheesh!

[FFighterRob]

I have heard a number of questions asked that were a direct result of something that has happened with that department.

From a department near Columbine, Colo. Just after the school shootings, “What are your felling on gun control?” followed by “What would a person with the opposite opinion say?”

Others from other departments:

“You arrive early for a shift and hear guys from the other shift making derogatory comments about a gal working at another station. What do you do?”

“You are new at a station and you hear people talking about how they all abuse sick leave. What do you do, if anything?”

“We know at this point most of the people we are offering jobs to are going to be on other lists. If we offer you a job, will you leave if offered another position?” This was question asked by a department that had suffered the loss of the last 5 new hires to bigger departments.

Asked by San Diego fire, “Are you aware that we pay very little and our retirement is in huge trouble? Did you know there is a good chance we will have to lay people off in the near future? If so, why are you here asking for a job?”

It doesn’t hurt to know a little about the department you are testing for. If they have been in the news for something recently, they may ask a question based on that incident. But at the same time you don’t want to get too involved. One guy worked for a neighboring agency, he was asked a question about an incident the department had experienced. He knew the people invloved and didn't like the way the department had handled it. He got caught up in defending the guy and used his name. That was the end of his interview and chances with that department.

Good Luck, Capt Rob
www.myfireinterview.com
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(707)869-1330

[FFYagour88]

i saw that video on flashovertv.com and it isnt the chief its the captain

[ffbam24]

Lighten up, sparky. I'm just playin' around with the Captain. I'm not disrespecting anybody. So this isn't disrespectful?.....
Can I make a small request? Can the folks who are trying to sell something kindly stay out of this thread?...Please stop sh!tting up my thread.
I made a little joke. Kindly take your righteous indignation down the hall.You need to have a heart to heart with your relatives in the fire service. Ask them if your light-hearted comments towards retired members here are acceptable for someone who is not even on the job. What are you going to do when you get to the firehouse? Tell the senior member to frack off because you have life experience? Are you going to tell us your opinion about everything else?

The answer to these are "NO". As a probie you have no opinion. Any opinion you have; we will tell you. YOU are a candidate. This is lower than a probie. You aren't even in the food chain.

Learn your place quick.
All I'm really asking here is for you to be more respectful of some of the members here.

Good luck,
bam

[JayDudley]

Bam....As an official old retired guy let me say thanks. It was about 39 years ago when it was said to me..."Kid, you have no opinion and if you do I"ll tell you what it is". LOL It sure brought back memories.

Jay

[agavegrove]

This is a website. Nothing but a website. It's where we come to share information, give out advice, and otherwise sit around the proverbial table and shoot the $$it. This isn't a station. Our avatars don't have real rank. God only knows if anybody on here has any real rank. I could call myself Chief Schmuck and half of the posters on here may believe I'm a chief.

Everyone just relax, leave your bugles at the door. There's no seniority or rank here. Any opinion anyone has. Go ahead and vent it, nothing seems to stop us from doing that anyways. If you want to pound your chest and play fire station etiquette, then go to the station and do that.

Now back to the BS....

So this isn't disrespectful?.....

You need to have a heart to heart with your relatives in the fire service. Ask them if your light-hearted comments towards retired members here are acceptable for someone who is not even on the job. What are you going to do when you get to the firehouse? Tell the senior member to frack off because you have life experience? Are you going to tell us your opinion about everything else?

The answer to these are "NO". As a probie you have no opinion. Any opinion you have; we will tell you. YOU are a candidate. This is lower than a probie. You aren't even in the food chain.

Learn your place quick.
All I'm really asking here is for you to be more respectful of some of the members here.

Good luck,
bam

[JLam77]

What are you going to do when you get to the firehouse? Tell the senior member to frack off because you have life experience? Are you going to tell us your opinion about everything else?

Do you take me for some sort of buffoon? Do you think for a moment that I would fool around like this as a probationary firefighter? What planet are you on?

I may be a lowly candidate, but I grew up surrounded by the fire service. I'm well aware of the traditions and history of the fire service. I know where a probie stands in a firehouse. I have all the respect in the world for firefighters, and that's why I'm trying to become one.

But Jesus Hopping Christ, this isn't a firehouse.

When I'm hired and become a firefighter, I will know my place. I will shut up and listen, learn from those with more experience, keep my mouth shut, study hard, be the first one up and the last one to sleep. I will work my ass off to be the best firefighter I can be. I'm not an idiot. I know how to act in the workplace. And if you were a senior man in my house, Bam, I would show you all the deference and respect in the world.

Right now, however, I'm simply sitting at my kitchen table typing on my laptop, shooting the sh!t with a bunch of other guys. There are no ranks here. No one is giving orders. No one is saving lives. We're just a bunch of guys trading stupid barbs at one another.

And some of us, apparently, have thin skin.

Right now I'm a television director. I'm a member of a TV directors forum. I've been a director for 10 years, and I've been in the TV biz longer than that. When a new person comes into our internet forum, I don't expect them to behave the same way as they would if they were in the TV station with me. That would be absurd. It's an internet forum, not a workplace. However, I would expect them to be respectful and professional if they came in as a rookie director or as an intern.

This is just a silly internet forum, folks.

I'm going to go play with my kid and walk my dog now.

[docflip4884]

This is a website. Nothing but a website. It's where we come to share information, give out advice, and otherwise sit around the proverbial table and shoot the $$it. This isn't a station. Our avatars don't have real rank. God only knows if anybody on here has any real rank. I could call myself Chief Schmuck and half of the posters on here may believe I'm a chief.

Everyone just relax, leave your bugles at the door. There's no seniority or rank here. Any opinion anyone has. Go ahead and vent it, nothing seems to stop us from doing that anyways. If you want to pound your chest and play fire station etiquette, then go to the station and do that.

Now back to the BS....

Man you hit the nail on the head...
Since my first reply to this post I've recieved more than a few "nasty" emails regarding my disrespect for Captbob, my lack of "experience". Apparently I should not post anything because I don't have any toilet plunger's on my collar. Get over yourselves!

[ffbam24]

Fair enough guys.

My issue is that I'm seeing things posted by individuals that comes across as two-faced, backstabbing-doublespeak.

Remember, just because you grew up around the fire service doesn't mean you have paid your dues already. I'm glad to see you have a handle on things and some of this has been aired.

Enough of my folksy wisdom.

What of your stuff have we seen?

[CALFFBOU]

Wow- So much drama!

A few notes-

-That oral board question is possible. I havent seen it yet, but its out there.

-That Captain should have waited for the rig to come to a stop before jumping/running out.

-In my opinion, that rig should have been moved to the right OR the Engineer should have spotted it better and parked BEHIND the police unit if he/she wanted to better protect their crew. There was no need to take up another lane that was already block by the police unit.

So there.

[JayDudley]

This IS!! just like a firehouse. You make a comment and then sit back and watch the fur fly!! I think everyone needs to take a breath and look at the big picture. Look at the FIRST THREAD!! learn from it and move on.

[lutan1]

-In my opinion, that rig should have been moved to the right OR the Engineer should have spotted it better and parked BEHIND the police unit if he/she wanted to better protect their crew. There was no need to take up another lane that was already block by the police unit.


I totally disagree with that call. Block the lane with a BRT- it provides wat more protection than jsut a sedan or wagon.

I've seen first hand a few vehicles shagged by blind motorists so the bigger the lane blocker for me, the better and safer we'll be.

[CALFFBOU]

I totally disagree with that call. Block the lane with a BRT- it provides wat more protection than jsut a sedan or wagon.

I've seen first hand a few vehicles shagged by blind motorists so the bigger the lane blocker for me, the better and safer we'll be.


I disagree. The Engineer parked it there out of convience. He/she could have easily parked it behind the cop car, still protecting everyone and the crew could have just walked up. Or park it in front of the incident. Now, what if the Engineer had to get out of the truck, in total open traffic. Real safe.

Either way, the personnel are still protected. No need to block another lane and make your people get out in the open when they could have just as well walked up on the shoulder, safely.