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CaptBob
02-16-2008, 02:53 PM
From a Firehouse.com article here:
http://cms.firehouse.com/web/online/Fire-Service-Careers/Stories-Get-Badges/8$46786

Stories Get Badges!

We encourage candidates to lace their answers with personal life experiences. Since no one else can tell a candidate's life experience stories they can't be placed in the mold of a profile. They become unique, fresh and convincing. In a recent fire academy half the recruits were candidates who went through our program. You couldn't tell one from the other in the oral board because they were using their own stuff. Not a profile robot "clone" of everyone else.

If you have all the education, experience and the burning desire to get that badge, you're not getting hired, having to cool your heels in another position waiting for that next opportunity (not a bad ideal), you have be asking yourself why?

You can talk all you want about what we do here, how you want it or think it should be, but the candidates you are reading about in our material are a lot like you. They simply got positive results by putting simple techniques into action. The big difference is they figured out how to maximize the points in their oral boards and are now riding big red and taking home a pay check.

Here's how they did it. Since oral board scores are calculated in hundredths of points (82.15, 87.63, 90.87, etc), the goal is to keep building on a few hundredths of points here on this question, a few hundredths there on that answer, gaining a few more hundredths with their signature personalized life experience stories at the appropriate time, delivering the all powerful "Nugget" answers that no one else can tell, and pulling away from the parrot salvo dropping clones.

Before the clone candidates realize what has happened, these candidates have added on extra points to their score placing them in a position to be invited to the chief's interview where they get a real shot at the badge. Just being 1 to 2 points out of the running can decide whether you will go forward in the hiring process or not.

The toughest thing for candidates to do in an oral is to be themselves on purpose. Your stories establish a natural bridge between you and the panel. When you're yourself, you become conversational because you are on your own turf. This alone can lower the stress and the butterflies. Every one has butterflies. The trick is to get all the butterflies to all fly in the same formation than can make the difference.

Stories are more than facts. If you can recreate the excitement, emotion, the color and magic to relive the actual event, you will capture the interest and a top score on that question. A big part of getting this job is convincing the oral board that you can do the job before you get it. Stories are convincing and can demonstrate your experience, even if they're not fire related.

One reason stories work effectively is because they go directly to the brain and entertain. They do not require the mental processing of more formal nonfiction writing. Stories have heart and ring true.

Collect illustrative stories as you are collecting facts, quotations and other information for your signature stories.

Practice those stories with a tape recorder. Condense them down to a couple of minutes or less. Don't go on a journey. The oral board is not packed for the trip. You won't have time and it's not appropriate to use a signature story for every answer. Tell the story. Make the point. Move on. Once you answer an oral board with a signature story, you can marry the rest of your answer with those clone answers you have been using. Try it and see the amazing difference.

"Put it before them briefly so they will read it, clearly so they will appreciate it, picturesquely so they will remember it and, above all, accurately so they will be guided by its light."-Joseph Pulitzer, (1847-1911) American journalist.

I was coaching a candidate one day and the candidate was giving me those clone answers why he wanted to be a firefighter. I stopped him and had him rewind the videotape of his life to where he first got the spark to be a firefighter. He said, "Oh, I'm from South America. When I was growing up, we lived with my grandfather who was the fire chief of the city. I got to go with him and be exposed to the whole department."

I asked if he had ever told that story in any of his oral board interviews? He said, "No". Why not? I will bet you big money you are a clone candidate right now. But, I bet you also have some personal signature stories that could instantly change your interview scores.

Another Example:

I was doing private coaching session with a candidate. He was telling a story about being a federal firefighter in Yellowstone when it burned. The story was not too exciting the way he was telling it. I had to stop and ask, "It sounds like you were trapped?" He was. Now he tells that story and the hairs start standing up on the back of your neck. You're trapped with him. You can smell the smoke and see the embers dropping around you. Does this story make a difference? Please say yes.

Case in point. I just talked to a candidate who was dumping only clone answers on the question "Why do you want to be a firefighter?" Then he realized he could begin his answer with a signature story. He remembered a story he could use about a prank being played on him when he did a ride along with his brother. He couldn't believe the difference when he used this personalized signature story at his next oral board.

The story brought smiles and laughter from the panel members. Along with the calls they went on by the end of the day he knew this was the job that blended all his needs. He followed this story with his standard landmark clone answers. This was the first question on his oral. His answer made everyone more comfortable and the interview flowed a lot smoother than before.

Some say, "Captain Bob" how can you help so many candidates without making them into clones?" Good question. Simple answer. The real reason is nobody else can tell your story! Nobody! So the point here is not the question, but the answer. Start establishing your personalized stories. Practice them with a hand-held recorder. When you start lacing your answers with your personalized experiences is where you start to shorten that gap between you and that infamous badge.

"You can't control the wind, but you can adjust your sails."

The proof is in the badges!

"Nothing counts 'til you have the badge . . . Nothing!"

"Captain Bob"

www.eatstress.com

Geinandputitout
02-19-2008, 11:14 AM
Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:46 pm Post subject: The real deal about fh.com and me

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Hi folks,

First of all, thanks for the support. I realize that getting bounced off an internet forum, especially one like fh.com, is no big deal. Believe me, I have this totally in perspective. I can take my lumps when I deserve it, but not when I don't.

Essentially, I was lynched. As most of you regulars know, I am on a crusade against Capt. Bob and his idiot son. There are two reasons for this and only two reasons; he has encouraged these kids to be less than honest in their application process, to the point where he directs these kids to polygraph.com-a site whose sole purpose is to teach people how to beat the polygraph. The only problem is, if these kids get caught using these tactics, it is an automatic fail and disqualification.

Secondly, he attempts to convince these kids that he has some sort of inside information that will get these kids hired. I posted one of his emails that basically lambasted kids who have sought his advice and then dared to quesiton it. It was incredible.

I guess shining the light of day on this snake oil salesman was too much. He and the fruit of his loins complained because I was telling the truth and calling him on his nonsense. He got me banned for 30 days. Miraculously, within 12 hours of my suspension, he was back (after stating he and his spawn were NEVER coming back) posting his crpa in all its glory.

What I have learned is twofold; first, the fh.com WT is gutless and spineless. I have been a thorn in their side for some time. Many people do not like my style. Growing up in NJ, I only know one style. But I did not break the TOS, so they couldn't do anything. The first time they banned me it was for a nonsensical reason right after I called Bob out. This time, it was directly for calling Bob's nonsense to the forum's attention using his own words.

What is interesting is that, in the very recent past, I reported 3 TIMES a member who posted a video from a porn-related sites that had active porn links. What did they do? Nothing. It's still there. I have reported several posts in the recent past where some of the "7 words" were used overtly. What did they do? Nothing. They're still there.

Secondly, I have learned that the fh.com WT ethics match the ethics of the bobby boys. Bob writes columns for the website. In exchange, they have become a protected class of citizen. The TOS do not apply to them. the fh.com WT has stated explicitly that, in exchange for his articles, he will be allowed to post his crap and sell his wares without penalty. Even if his posts encourage blatantly unethical conduct.

This is long and I apologize. I have been thinking for awhile that alot of the people that I respect no longer even post there and that I should follow suit and just come here. I think this may be the perfect time.

I appreciate the supportive posts of Gonz, Sherri and others. However, I especially appreciate Harve's words. You guys are the best. Thanks.

FROM ANOTHER SITE BY GWCFI

nmfire
02-19-2008, 12:28 PM
Since I found out about this little arrangement the the Bobs have with the webteam a month or two ago, I've found it is actually even worse than I thought. (Now I also know why GW didn't respond to the PM I sent him about it.)

The Bob's provides content to FH.com for free which FH.com then uses as a teaser to get people to buy a memberzone subscription. In return, they allow him free uninhibited run of the forum which suckers in people to pay for their services. FH.com make money, the Bob's make money. Everybody makes money (except me!)

Seeing that the webteam suspended George for pointing out the BS this guy provides, that now leads me to believe the arrangement also includes protection from anyone interfering with that flow of money. Spectacular. I wonder if they sent a mobster to break George's kneecaps too.

FFighterRob
02-19-2008, 01:26 PM
Nmfire,
I think I understand your confusion. The “.COM” at the end of Firehouse.com is short for commercial. While a lot of the sections of this web site are free, they are a for profit business. They also have a magazine, it costs $6.00 and unless you buy it, none of it is free. Their employees are not volunteers, that is why it is not Firehouse.org.

The magazine also allows contributing editors to place their web addresses and emails at the bottom of articles they write, just as they do here.

From George:
“As most of you regulars know, I am on a crusade against Capt. Bob and his idiot son.”

George,
Intelligent people state facts, those who aren’t, are limited to calling names and throwing poop. Maybe if you had ever actually worked as a firefighter you could do better.

Good Luck, Capt Rob
nrtc@sonic.net
www.myfireinterview.com
707869-1330

Steamer
02-19-2008, 01:54 PM
So my MEmberZone subscription fees are to provide you a free forum to advertise your product??

CALFFBOU
02-19-2008, 01:57 PM
Yo Rob- Maybe you should enable your PM box.

kprsn1
02-19-2008, 02:38 PM
BRING BACK GEORGE!!

I've been a member here for several years but never got a "paid" subscription to the site. This website generally has up to the minute news, good articles, and a forum to share thoughts and ideas. Our deparment subscribes to Firehouse mag and I enjoy reading it. However, I absolutely refuse to pay for the "extra." If it's that important then why isn't it being shared with everyone in the fire service for the good of all? I went to the link that had the "story" but couldn't read it because I hadn't paid. Hmm, guess I won't be reading that. Must not have been too important anyway. I don't struggle with the subscription part but instead I choose not to play. If Firehouse made these forums "paid" only, guess what, I'm gone and I'd be okay with that. My decision. Firefighter Nation is out there, IACOJ is out there, Firefighter Blogspot is out there just to name a few. If the WT doesn't like to receive negative feedback then I guess maybe they should do something different.

Bones42
02-19-2008, 11:31 PM
Gotta love a father/son BS team.

mcaldwell
02-20-2008, 02:04 AM
If you want to contribute, contribute...

If you want to sell stuff, sell stuff...


You cannot do both and retain any sense of credibility.

There are a lot of sales folks on these forums that contribute regularly. Most make it very clear when there is a potential conflict of interest, or they avoid that situation altogether.

The Bob's programs may very well help some candidates, but the teasing and spamming is an obvious sales pitch, and not meant to initiate or add value to professional discussion. Add the imbedded references to questionable sites, and it does not belong on a public forum like this.

I see it spreading to many other threads too, and lacing a good critical discussion with a blatant sales pitch taints the entire thread.

CaptainGonzo
02-20-2008, 08:38 AM
I've always wondered if they would like to work with a newly hired candidate that used their advice to beat the polygraph test....:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Steamer
02-20-2008, 08:53 AM
I've always wondered if they would like to work with a newly hired candidate that used their advice to beat the polygraph test....:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
...or properly tell a "story". I mean, after all, "Nothing counts 'til you have the badge . . . Nothing!"

cap6888
02-20-2008, 10:33 AM
OK Bob's........one simple question. George claims that your "program" helps candidates "beat" a polygraph. So, the question is just that, does your "program" help candidates "fool" a polygraph? A simple yes or no answer will do, I don't want or expect an explanation.

Steamer
02-20-2008, 12:09 PM
Since it might be awhile before they post something, let me insert some info. From a post in another thread as recently as January 14, 2008 where someone asked about pre-employment polygraphs.
Are you the only candidate being given the poly?

Check out www.polygraph.com

Also read this recent posting: http://forums.firehouse.com/showthread.php?t=97267

Now, let's take a peek at polygraph.com since they were referred there:

CaptainGonzo
02-20-2008, 04:36 PM
Since it might be awhile before they post something, let me insert some info. From a post in another thread as recently as January 14, 2008 where someone asked about pre-employment polygraphs.


Now, let's take a peek at polygraph.com since they were referred there:

That gives me a "warm and fuzzy" feeling.... :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

peterbound
02-20-2008, 10:27 PM
what the hell do you mean /beat/ the polygraph.. the polygraph system is flawed as it is.. and i'm not taking bob's or rob's side.. i think their shameless advertising on here is tiring as well..
but lets face it.. the polygraph system is crap.. if it can be beat it obviously isn't that great (and apparently it can be beat by your accounts) not to mention its results are questionable at best. The results are rarely admissible in court, and it seems like they hiring agencies are trying to set up a system that is unrealistic. Let's be honest here.. i'm sure all of you are upright citizens that have never/ever broke the law, tried some weed, or even taken a paper clip from work. but some of these can disqualify you from a fire position. it's just plain silly... most people do a little experimenting in high school, or break a little law or two.. or even make out with some stickies from the office.. these can all disqualify you from a job based on the polygraph and how you interpret the question..
just seems silly to me.. hells bells i had a TS/SI/TK clearance in the air force in my last job.. worked in freaking NORAD and the NSA.. and even i sweat the polygraph.. seems like a standard background check should suffice and if they actually /do/ something on the job like the dreaded stealing from a patient.. then you should fire them (which would happen even if they got past th polygraph)
people deserve a second chance.. not to be lambasted and denied due to youthful indiscretions.
-pete

BKDRAFT
02-21-2008, 12:45 AM
what the hell do you mean /beat/ the polygraph.. the polygraph system is flawed as it is.. and i'm not taking bob's or rob's side.. i think their shameless advertising on here is tiring as well..
but lets face it.. the polygraph system is crap.. if it can be beat it obviously isn't that great (and apparently it can be beat by your accounts) not to mention its results are questionable at best. The results are rarely admissible in court, and it seems like they hiring agencies are trying to set up a system that is unrealistic. Let's be honest here.. i'm sure all of you are upright citizens that have never/ever broke the law, tried some weed, or even taken a paper clip from work. but some of these can disqualify you from a fire position. it's just plain silly... most people do a little experimenting in high school, or break a little law or two.. or even make out with some stickies from the office.. these can all disqualify you from a job based on the polygraph and how you interpret the question..
just seems silly to me.. hells bells i had a TS/SI/TK clearance in the air force in my last job.. worked in freaking NORAD and the NSA.. and even i sweat the polygraph.. seems like a standard background check should suffice and if they actually /do/ something on the job like the dreaded stealing from a patient.. then you should fire them (which would happen even if they got past th polygraph)
people deserve a second chance.. not to be lambasted and denied due to youthful indiscretions.
-pete

You are not automatically disqualified for "youthful indiscretions" as you put it. However the department would like you to own up to mistakes you have done throughout life. Like you said everyone makes them. Just describe how you have learned from them and how you would never do anything like that again. They don't want to hire someone who has lied to them before they are even on the job.

However, there are great candidates that do own up to there mistakes that get passed over by others that don't.

I can see both sides on this matter.

CALFFBOU
02-21-2008, 03:43 AM
I do have to chime in here, signature stories do help get the badge. Worked for me.

DocVBFDE14
02-21-2008, 12:30 PM
Kind of like that whole respect that has to be demanded thing...

Stories that need added spice to make them entertaining, probably are not all that entertaining and shouldn't be told. :rolleyes:

But hey. What do I know.

BKDRAFT
02-21-2008, 12:45 PM
Kind of like that whole respect that has to be demanded thing...

Stories that need added spice to make them entertaining, probably are not all that entertaining and shouldn't be told. :rolleyes:

But hey. What do I know.

I disagree. Some candidates are so monotone, and are horrible public speakers. With some help they can effectively deliver there experience which can help them get hired.

cap6888
02-21-2008, 01:50 PM
I agree with what BKDRFT said, some people are poor communicators. Communication skills are an important part of this job. If they are nervous in front of 3 people in an interview board, they might not fair to well speaking to the public. If someone needs coaching to improve their public speaking skills, thats one thing, but showing/encouraging them how to beat a polygraph is just wrong.

Stay Safe

BKDRAFT
02-21-2008, 02:50 PM
... showing/encouraging them how to beat a polygraph is just wrong.

Stay Safe

Like I have said in previous posts both Captains have never encouraged myself nor any other candidates I know of to tell anything else but the truth.

By reading about a polygraph it helps you prepare and know what to expect. Knowing what to expect calms the nerves. I have read that website, I took a polygraph, and passed as well. Because I read that website does it mean that I lied? No it doesn't. I had nothing to hide. With anything, I read as much information as possible that I can find to educate and prepare myself for what I am about to go through. Why not prepare for the polygraph like you prepare for an oral board or a practical test for the fire academy?

Any legit polygraph analyst will know right away if you try to use any "techniques" to supposedly help you pass the test.

Slippery
02-22-2008, 10:45 PM
I feel confident that Capt. Bob does not encourage people to lie on their polygraphs. He instead gives people the knowledge that they can use to calm down and have confidence in themselves during the hiring process.

I used his program and I will be starting my dream career next week.

If anyone asks me about his program or him as a person I
will not hesitate to give him an absolutely positive endorsement.

Those individuals that have a problem with his program are either jealous or just bitter, and I assure that is not a good way to live life.

BLSboy
02-25-2008, 12:58 AM
I got a Badge. I could give two shiits about it. I want DA JOB.

CALFFBOU
02-25-2008, 12:46 PM
Wow, too much drama here.

Yes, I back Capt. Bob.Yes, he is a businessman, but a retired brother. He basicly invented the business of helping people during the hiring process. I have to say, pretty smart to find a niche and build a business on it. (wish I thought of that)

Anyways- He also gives away a lot of info. for FREE. You can call him and chat and he will most likely give you what you need. The guy does give back to the service.

Now the real poop- I bought their promo CD and it helped me out big time. I got more than I paid for. They have never told me to lie about anything.

I am not kissing ass here, just being striaght. Granted, like anything else, your experience might be different.

Lets please keep this constructive for I would support you as well.