CCC Academy question

[ike053]

I am looking into attending the Fire Academy at Tri-C that starts in March, and I saw that the price to take the class is around $750.00, I was wondering, anyone else who has paid their own way through the Academy, what are the "hidden" costs you have to pay...equipment,etc. Any insight would be helpful, thanks.

[FFYagour88]

i went there last august and no matter what the price it is the best damn fire academy in the state of ohio!!!! well you have to rent your gear and your scba im not exactly sure on the price for this but i wanna say both of them are around 750$ if you have family or know someone that works at a fire dept they might let you borrow the bunker gear but they have a payment plan that is 3 installments of i think 650 maybe a little bit more if you have any more questions that i can help you with pm me

[RFRDxplorer]

the best damn fire academy in the state of ohio!!!!

And what might you have to base this claim off of? I'm just curious, because I've heard of plenty of other good places across the state. Such as the Ohio Fire Academy, Owens Community College, any of the big cities departmental academies....etc.



I know that Owens Community College has a very well known and respected Academy. Toledo Fire has actually moved its academy out to their campus. they just opened a $20.5 million Center for Emergency Preparedness.

If you want to start by getting your I-A card, there is no eaiser or better way than the State Fire School that is held at Bowling Green State University every May and October. You can knock out your I-A class in a week and it costs $325 I believe.

[FFYagour88]

I guess other than cost, which it doesn't seem too expensive, as someone has offered to help me by lending me gear, what can I expect in terms of classroom work vs. Hands on training? Also, in general could you give me a rundown on what it's like to be there. (i.e. PT? what to wear? instructors? fire? homework?) Anything you feel would be important for me to know, or wish you had known going into the academy? Thanks again for answering my questions.

when you have class room work it is lecture you learn alot from it then you will take a test on the lecture then you usually go out side for hands on. it is really fun to go to class you meet alot of new people that will be your family you have a uniform the have u wear its a t shirt and then blue pants and black boots. the instructors are all really cool and willing to help with everything you need home work you have to complete the workbook chapters for the following day!!! any others just ask im willing to help with anything you need also do the 10 week program so it will be monday wednesday friday do not do the six week you will be way to tired

[jbrescue]

You can knock out your I-A class in a week and it costs $325 I believe.

What department even allows 36hr as a minimum any more? The state minimum is 120hr if you respond from a station. This changed a couple of years ago. Get your 240 card if you even think this is what you want to do. I makes no difference which academy you go to. Go to the one that is close to you. They all have to teach the same information. If any of you think you are going to be real fireman when you are done in the academy, you are sorely mistaken. The academy is a starting point. You need to get a lot of OTJ training and pay attention to the guys with experience.

[RFRDxplorer]

What department even allows 36hr as a minimum any more? The state minimum is 120hr if you respond from a station. This changed a couple of years ago. Get your 240 card if you even think this is what you want to do. I makes no difference which academy you go to. Go to the one that is close to you. They all have to teach the same information. If any of you think you are going to be real fireman when you are done in the academy, you are sorely mistaken. The academy is a starting point. You need to get a lot of OTJ training and pay attention to the guys with experience.

You would be very surprised at how many departments only require the 36 card.

Very surprised.

I wasn't sure if the OP wanted to go FT, PT, or volunteer. And regardless, it's not a bad place to start either way. If he just wants to get his feet wet, why not try the I-A class.

Sure, everyone knows that the 36 hour class only teaches you enough to get yourself hurt, but it is still a valid certification that is the minimum requirement for, I would say, a majority of the fire departments in the state.

[FFYagour88]

still get it over with and get your 240 and CCC i believe is the only academy in the state that burns a real house most other places use burn building which doesn't teach you real firefighting

[skiwiz6]

Owens is good if you dont need any "live fire" training in your academy. Toledo fire uses it yes, but does all live fire training at Airport facility or houses in the city, so not much real fire training at Owens.

[jbrescue]

You would be very surprised at how many departments only require the 36 card.



The only way a 36 hour card is even "legal" any more in Ohio is for a true volunteer department. I am sure that in the rural areas that mey be the case. But, if you staff your station at all, your personnel are required to have more than 36 hours. I am not even sure if they grandfathered anyone in. I think everyone had to comply. We made our people get up to snuff.

[ike053]

I appreciate all the answers so fast, and I plan to do the Tues/Thurs/Sat class which is in the evening because I work 8a-4p Mon-Fri, which lasts a few months so it doesn't appear to be a rushed program. If I think of anything else I will be sure to ask, and thanks again.

And as far as involvement I have been taking tests with a few cities, tryng to get a FT job and start off the career I really want, and I am sitting okay on the lists, so I may get a look. And being able to go into an interview and say I've done the Academy and have my 240 would be a huge help i believe.

[FFYagour88]

good luck budd

[RFRDxplorer]

The only way a 36 hour card is even "legal" any more in Ohio is for a true volunteer department. I am sure that in the rural areas that mey be the case. But, if you staff your station at all, your personnel are required to have more than 36 hours. I am not even sure if they grandfathered anyone in. I think everyone had to comply. We made our people get up to snuff.

Thats what I meant, because a majority of departments are volunteer.

And I knwow that there are plenty of departments who staff either a medic unit, engine, echo unit, or likewise from 7 or 8 am to 4 or 5 pm and the personnel working these shifts do not have to have a 120 or even 240 card. Just a 36.

[RFRDxplorer]

I appreciate all the answers so fast, and I plan to do the Tues/Thurs/Sat class which is in the evening because I work 8a-4p Mon-Fri, which lasts a few months so it doesn't appear to be a rushed program. If I think of anything else I will be sure to ask, and thanks again.

And as far as involvement I have been taking tests with a few cities, tryng to get a FT job and start off the career I really want, and I am sitting okay on the lists, so I may get a look. And being able to go into an interview and say I've done the Academy and have my 240 would be a huge help i believe.

If you applied to Toledo, which the closing date is Wed I believe, they will put you through their academy regardless of you firefighting cert or which department you were on previously.






And I could be wrong, but I dont think that Toledo Fire does any training at all anymore out at the old training facility by the airport because that facility has been transferred over to the Northwest Ohio Region 1 Urban Search and Rescue Team.

Keep in mind that I could be 125% wrong.

I know that alot of area departments also send people to MURAD for burn time as well.

[Weruj1]

Keep on 'em Jake !

[Frogman301]

The state still only requires firefighter 1&2 for full time employees everyone else is still classified as a volunteer and the only state requirement is the 36 hour course. There is no section in state law that applies to part-time or part paid employees. The state's stand is that is a local decision. P.S. CCC does run a good show if they are in your price range and neighborhood that would be where you should go.

[skiwiz6]

Urban search truck is present at airport facility. Trust me there is alot of sweat and blood on the pavement out there from the last two TFD Drill school classes. If you get the job in october bet your ass you will spend a great deal of time at the airport.

[RFRDxplorer]

Urban search truck is present at airport facility.

Yup. Just what I said above. I've been out there plenty.

Trust me there is alot of sweat and blood on the pavement out there from the last two TFD Drill school classes. If you get the job in october bet your ass you will spend a great deal of time at the airport

I was just going off of what I had heard from certain TFD higher ups.

Like I said, could be wrong.

[skiwiz6]

Listen the whole point of the Owens posting was to state that we dont use owens for "live fire". Unless you want propane and a couple of pallets to be your "live fire" find another academy.

[RFRDxplorer]

Listen the whole point of the Owens posting was to state that we dont use owens for "live fire". Unless you want propane and a couple of pallets to be your "live fire" find another academy.

Yuuuuuuuuuuup.


I knew that and was not contesting that.




I was just saying that I thought that I had heard that all TFD training was shifting out to Owens.


Don't get your panties all in a bundle.

[skiwiz6]

whatever you goof. Good-luck on the test.

[RFRDxplorer]

whatever you goof. Good-luck on the test.

Sorry if I offended you, but I have no desire to get on TFD and have not put in an application. I wont even be here in 6 mos anyways.

[mdd2121]

I appreciate all the answers so fast, and I plan to do the Tues/Thurs/Sat class which is in the evening because I work 8a-4p Mon-Fri, which lasts a few months so it doesn't appear to be a rushed program. If I think of anything else I will be sure to ask, and thanks again.

And as far as involvement I have been taking tests with a few cities, tryng to get a FT job and start off the career I really want, and I am sitting okay on the lists, so I may get a look. And being able to go into an interview and say I've done the Academy and have my 240 would be a huge help i believe.


Ike,

I'm not sure what the exact tuition costs are currently, but call Betty in the FTA office at 216-987-5076 and she'll be glad to answer any of your questions. Who ever mentioned that you can save a few bucks by borrowing gear and/or an SCBA is correct. Just be sure the gear is in good shape (no holes, etc) and the SCBA functions properly or you will not be able to use it for obvious safety reasons.

[FireDawgEMT22]

Actually Owens does do live fire training in its burn building. A MAJORITY of the fire scenarios and trainers are gas fired and such. However, they do have a live fire room in which they burn hay and stuff.

[skiwiz6]

Yep they sure do! a 8X8 1st floor room that is way to vented to be acurate. almost zero heat and smoke build up. So if you are a volunteer or on some small paid township this is the place for you!

[RFRDxplorer]

Yep they sure do! a 8X8 1st floor room that is way to vented to be acurate. almost zero heat and smoke build up. So if you are a volunteer or on some small paid township this is the place for you!

Dude!

What's your beef with vollie or small departments and even Owens?

Now I dont know for sure, but it sounds like you are on TFD and think that you are the be all and end all of the firefighting community.

Maybe I'm interpreting things wrong, but it sures seems like you are a self proclaimed God.

[skiwiz6]

Just the response I expected from you.
Owens good school for volunteer's and small departments, said this all along, just not the place for anyone looking for "live fire" training.

On the GOD statement: Grow-up you goof and get some whiskers before you start making statements like that.

[cfd2307]

Yep they sure do! a 8X8 1st floor room that is way to vented to be acurate. almost zero heat and smoke build up. So if you are a volunteer or on some small paid township this is the place for you!

so am i to understand as a vollie or on a small dept im only going to see small fires with little smoke? im from sw ohio and know nothing about the the schools your talking about. any newer burn tower is going to be vented and have a smaller burn room. the days of starting huge fires in a block building are long over.

[RFRDxplorer]

Just the response I expected from you.
Owens good school for volunteer's and small departments, said this all along, just not the place for anyone looking for "live fire" training.

On the GOD statement: Grow-up you goof and get some whiskers before you start making statements like that.

I'm gonna agree with the other guy......just cause you are a vollie you see fires that aren't as big or as hot as the big city boys do?

I happen to know of some volunteer departments that run just as much if not more fire than a particular big city around here.

And why is it that you want me to "grow up"? Because you don't like that I think that volunteers can be just as professional as FT guys? Or just because no one can challenge.

[skiwiz6]

I would stack any of our biggest "POS" against the best of yours any day. What do you consider Big city? Oregon, rossford, Northwood? Just keep hating "sister".

[RFRDxplorer]

I would stack any of our biggest "POS" against the best of yours any day. What do you consider Big city? Oregon, rossford, Northwood? Just keep hating "sister".

Ok Ace Ventura,

big city = Toledo....the home (sadly) of the one and only Carlton Finkbiner

And what "POS" are you referring to?

Sister? yeah.....and I'M the one who needs to grow up. Name calling? Please.

I will gladly post links if you would like.

[squirrelslayer]

You gotta wonder why you volly's and small time departments blow it in the interviews for the larger departments! With the battle on this thread and others throughout the forums it is obvious. See the thing is just because we are all on some kind of department doesnt make us equal! You guys swagger into the interviews and spout about all the great experience you have and all the "training" you got from the township and then they hire the accountant or the steel worker....sucks doesnt it! yes you do make fire runs and ems calls, but the volume and severity of those calls dwarf in comparison to the larger departments. You dont have equal the training or the fire experience as those boys and girls to the north of us so stop trying to compare to them. and TFD guy lay-off the forums leave these to the guys that have too much time on their hands and Idle pagers.

take care all and God bless

[squirrelslayer]

You gotta wonder why you volly's and small time departments blow it in the interviews for the larger departments! With the battle on this thread and others throughout the forums it is obvious. See the thing is just because we are all on some kind of department doesnt make us equal! You guys swagger into the interviews and spout about all the great experience you have and all the "training" you got from the township and then they hire the accountant or the steel worker....sucks doesnt it! yes you do make fire runs and ems calls, but the volume and severity of those calls dwarf in comparison to the larger departments. You dont have equal the training or the fire experience as those boys and girls to the north of us so stop trying to compare to them. and TFD guy lay-off the forums leave these to the guys that have too much time on their hands and Idle pagers.

take care all and God bless

[ike053]

Ok, so I found out today that I made it into the Academy class that begins March 1st (I was on the wait list). I was wondering if there was anything I should focus on in the next 2 weeks as far as PT goes in order to not be completely out of shape. I am in decent shape right now, passed my physical agility in 3:10, but was hoping someone could offer insight into some areas I should focus on and build a little more endurance with. Once again, any help is appreciated!

[jbrescue]

Just relax an do what they as you to do. They will make you do what you need to do and you will be fine. I have seen plenty of out of shape guys pass the academy. You sound like you truly want to be there, that is half the battle. Attitude is very important. Just watch out for the "Old Guy" that teaches there. You will know who it is when you see him...lol.

[squirrelslayer]

Alot of talk from NW ohio on here! Good luck at your academy kid! Dont ever come to NW Ohio and take part in the Owens experience. Like the TFD guy said it has no real fire training, just enough to get you killed, like they use to say in 36 hour class. the fire school we have here in May is pretty good if intersested, tought by some good guys and real fire is included. So try and get some non-propane fires under your belt so when you feel real heat breathing down your neck, you wont freak out! Right Rossford?

[RFRDxplorer]

edit..........

[FireDawgEMT22]

...........and also on that note...........what about the guys on suburban departments that haven't lived here their whole lives and have actually seen a good amount of fire?.......and in some cases........more fire than alot of TFD guys.

Like I said, I know of vollie depts that run just as much, if not more fire than the big bad TFD.



Amen Jake. (of course I'm just a volly who doesnt know what big bad Ole Man Fire is. My dept only ran 800 a year with almost NO EMS calls, thats fires and accidents only)

I see a problem with SOME people on big city depts that come in fresh and just use the dept's training. They dont know anything else. If they get somewhere that something isnt working right, they dont have the background or experience to know how to use other equipment to do the same job. Of course you have the same problem wiht volunteer depts also. Problems are problems throughout the industry. Volunteers may have it a little harder sometimes because they never know how many people may respond, something you big city guys dont have to deal with, you know you will ALMOST always get x number of engines with y number of people.

The training I have gotten at owens has been good, granted you dont get the heat build up or smoke that you see in the real world alot, but we want to teach people the basics, teach them the techniques, you learn the details in the field. If that wasnt the case a probie wouldnt be kept in the coat pocket of an officer or senior guy for his first year or so, even if the dept does their own academy.

People are the weak link, not the training. If someone doesnt want to go to training or implement what they learn then they wont perform well. Happens both to vollies and FT. Yes we do get the same training,

FT Volly
240 240 (what do ya know we got em
too, not required no, but encouraged)

EMT-B EMT-B
Paramedic Paramedic
Confined space Confined space
Hazmat Hazmat


and the list goes on. We drill on our skills, we attend the CME credits also. We are not a bunch of yokels who just like lights and sirens. Can you not accept that we are professionals in our jobs also, we just dont get paid, or dont get paid as much as you.

And I dont think the vollies lose out to the accountants or steel workers because they spout off the training they have. I think its because some people give the impression that because they have this training they dont need anymore. The accountants and such know nothing so they want to learn whatever they can. But there are us vollies that want to attend every bit of training we can, because there is always something to learn in the fire service.

So dont group all the vollies into one group and all the FT into another group. The fire service as a whole has issues in it, and those issues are shared by both FT depts and Volunteer depts. We are all in this together, and if I get in trouble, I dont care if it is a full time guy or a volunteer guy coming, as long as someone comes and helps me. I'm sure the citizens that need someone dont care either. A fire truck is a fire truck to them, they dont care if the word volunteer is on the side of it or not. They just know someone is there to help.

Oh yeah, I will ask why you think you are such a God to the fire service...I have enough burned whiskers to say this

[RFxplr326]

Amen Jake. (of course I'm just a volly who doesnt know what big bad Ole Man Fire is. My dept only ran 800 a year with almost NO EMS calls, thats fires and accidents only)

I see a problem with SOME people on big city depts that come in fresh and just use the dept's training. They dont know anything else. If they get somewhere that something isnt working right, they dont have the background or experience to know how to use other equipment to do the same job. Of course you have the same problem wiht volunteer depts also. Problems are problems throughout the industry. Volunteers may have it a little harder sometimes because they never know how many people may respond, something you big city guys dont have to deal with, you know you will ALMOST always get x number of engines with y number of people.

The training I have gotten at owens has been good, granted you dont get the heat build up or smoke that you see in the real world alot, but we want to teach people the basics, teach them the techniques, you learn the details in the field. If that wasnt the case a probie wouldnt be kept in the coat pocket of an officer or senior guy for his first year or so, even if the dept does their own academy.

People are the weak link, not the training. If someone doesnt want to go to training or implement what they learn then they wont perform well. Happens both to vollies and FT. Yes we do get the same training,

FT Volly
240 240 (what do ya know we got em
too, not required no, but encouraged)

EMT-B EMT-B
Paramedic Paramedic
Confined space Confined space
Hazmat Hazmat


and the list goes on. We drill on our skills, we attend the CME credits also. We are not a bunch of yokels who just like lights and sirens. Can you not accept that we are professionals in our jobs also, we just dont get paid, or dont get paid as much as you.

And I dont think the vollies lose out to the accountants or steel workers because they spout off the training they have. I think its because some people give the impression that because they have this training they dont need anymore. The accountants and such know nothing so they want to learn whatever they can. But there are us vollies that want to attend every bit of training we can, because there is always something to learn in the fire service.

So dont group all the vollies into one group and all the FT into another group. The fire service as a whole has issues in it, and those issues are shared by both FT depts and Volunteer depts. We are all in this together, and if I get in trouble, I dont care if it is a full time guy or a volunteer guy coming, as long as someone comes and helps me. I'm sure the citizens that need someone dont care either. A fire truck is a fire truck to them, they dont care if the word volunteer is on the side of it or not. They just know someone is there to help.

Oh yeah, I will ask why you think you are such a God to the fire service...I have enough burned whiskers to say this

Run Forest! Run! :D

[skiwiz6]

Your right! we are all the same! Why and how could I have thought different? I think I will begin to try and be like you guys! I will stop working out, and stay at home with a radio. You guys have it good! Take care and good luck on the test!

[RFRDxplorer]

Your right! we are all the same! Why and how could I have thought different? I think I will begin to try and be like you guys! I will stop working out, and stay at home with a radio. You guys have it good! Take care and good luck on the test!

Whatever Chief.

I know plenty of career guys who are in amazing shape.........and I know plenty who aren't in the best shape.

The same could be said about vollie and POC guys.

But now you are saying that career guys are physically superior beings because they aren't volunteer?

Now I have heard it all.

I truely am sorry that you see yourself as so high and mighty and vollies as so stupid, helpless, and inferiorly trained.

Please crawl back into the cave that you came.


Thanks!

[FireDawgEMT22]

Your right! we are all the same! Why and how could I have thought different? I think I will begin to try and be like you guys! I will stop working out, and stay at home with a radio. You guys have it good! Take care and good luck on the test!

I gave my $.02 and I am not going to continue to argue this topic with you. You think you are the best there is out there because your not a volunteer. I whole heartedly disagree. But a wise man once told me, "Never argue with an idiot, they will only drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."

I know many volunteers and even some explorers that I would put up against some of your Godlike brethern and put money on the vollies. Have a great life, and I hope you dont spew this when a volunteer happens to come along if you need help somewhere.

[skiwiz6]

Take care boys

[jbrescue]

At the risk of sounding too intelligent for this conversation, STFU! It is absolutely amazing to me the BS that is being spewed here. The initial question was regarding the CCC academy wasn't it? If you two idiots want to shoot derogatory remarks at each other use your personal emails. Why do you feel like letting all of us knw who the village idiots are. Since you are both experts, do you even know where CCC is? You are both from the NW corner of the state. CCC is at least 2 hours East of either one of you. Grow up and shut up. Aren't these forums meant for information gathering and sharing? Now, I truly know why I belong to the IACOJ!

[FireDawgEMT22]

excuse me, I wasnt calling names, I was simply imforming him to drop the harssment of the vollies, I never once called him anything or in anyway made myself appear to be a village idiot...and your right the IACOJ doesnt have the people stating they are better than the other...and I NEVER claimed to be an expert at anything

[skiwiz6]

Sorry but the Rossville Fd guys on here needed something to do since they are the best at everything! PS back to my original statement: If you want live fire training dont go to Owens community college!

[RFxplr326]

.............................. ..

[jbrescue]

Ok almighty Toledo Fire God.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDpzbmHMcEQ

What good representation of your department you offer... Job well done.
Grow up.

Kid, I think it is past your bedtime. Go get some milk and cookies and get lost.

[FireDawgEMT22]

Sorry but the Rossville Fd guys on here needed something to do since they are the best at everything! PS back to my original statement: If you want live fire training dont go to Owens community college!


And back to my original statement. Owens is good for the basics. If someone get all the smoke and heat without have a firm grasp on the basics then they wont be able to do anything right. You learn in the field, and if you expect someone to be an expert coming out of school then there are issues.

[FireDawgEMT22]

Kid, I think it is past your bedtime. Go get some milk and cookies and get lost.

You harrass about people talking down about others, and yet here you are doing the same thing...bravo

[RFxplr326]

You harrass about people talking down about others, and yet here you are doing the same thing...bravo

Gump, it's just the great work of an excellent salesman/entrepreneur. Some of them salesmen out there seem to have those tactics where they piss off possible customers so then the pissed-off customer turns around and spreads great word about the company at hand through word of mouth... Amazingly, business starts to dwindle. It's a pretty neat concept at hand.

[skiwiz6]

Since both rfxplr326 and firedawgemt are on the same place I expect no less support for eachother, partners do that. How can you say owens is good for the basics? Hasnt even had a full 240 class go through yet.

[RFRDxplorer]

Since both rfxplr326 and firedawgemt are on the same place I expect no less support for eachother, partners do that. How can you say owens is good for the basics? Hasnt even had a full 240 class go through yet.

Owens HAS taught plenty of 36 hr classes. Wouldn't that be considered basics?

And firedawgemt22 might have a little bit of an inside opinion because he is in that first full 240 class.

[skiwiz6]

so the big bad dawg isnt even a level2 FF? Wow you two are better than I thought. Hey how big is your light bar?

[Fire40man]

Bump Bump.

[skiwiz6]

Hey you guys arent the boys out at Owens with 6 pagers on your hips are you?

[firechick337]

And what might you have to base this claim off of? I'm just curious, because I've heard of plenty of other good places across the state. Such as the Ohio Fire Academy, Owens Community College, any of the big cities departmental academies....etc.



I know that Owens Community College has a very well known and respected Academy. Toledo Fire has actually moved its academy out to their campus. they just opened a $20.5 million Center for Emergency Preparedness.

If you want to start by getting your I-A card, there is no eaiser or better way than the State Fire School that is held at Bowling Green State University every May and October. You can knock out your I-A class in a week and it costs $325 I believe.

Hey hows life is Rossford?? I have to agree that Bowling Green has the most awesome program around! Most of our guys have been there and came back completely satified! I didnt know about Owens...thanks for the info. I have a 16 year old son who will eventually be looking into fire school. Problem is we are in Fulton County so he will have to travel quite a ways to get anywhere that has a good program. What do you know about the program out at Four County Joint Vocational School?

[firechick337]

What department even allows 36hr as a minimum any more? The state minimum is 120hr if you respond from a station. This changed a couple of years ago. Get your 240 card if you even think this is what you want to do. I makes no difference which academy you go to. Go to the one that is close to you. They all have to teach the same information. If any of you think you are going to be real fireman when you are done in the academy, you are sorely mistaken. The academy is a starting point. You need to get a lot of OTJ training and pay attention to the guys with experience.

Our dept still allows 36 hours as a mimimum but we are also volunteer, is that the difference? About 60% of the members have their FF2 so maybe thats the difference? I personally havent taken the FF2 because of a knee injury that limits my abilities now. I can still play with the bigdogs but just not as long as I used to :)