Polygraph Questions

[yama75006]

I am currently a canidate for hire and always thought that you could not be given a polygraph if it was not specified in the announcement. Anyhow I got through my interviews and am now being given a polygraph even though there was no mention of one in the announcement. If I come up inconclusive on the Poly is there anything else I can do?

[CaptBob]

Are you the only candidate being given the poly?

Check out www.polygraph .com

Also read this recent posting: http://forums.firehouse.com/showthread.php?t=97267

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

First of all, beware of people who would give you any other advice except for TELL THE TRUTH. An experienced polygrapher will pick you out immediately if you lie. Many of those people who coach you to be less than honest actually post right here on these forums.

It helps to understand what a polygraph is. It is a tool used by a trained polygraph operator. This tool detects involuntary physiological reactions to stimuli. The stimulli in this case are the questions.

The polygraph is not a lie detector. It does not tell the operator when you are lying.

It demonstrates to the operator that you had a particular reaction to a particular question that did or did not appear in other questions. When the operator sees this, he is not trained to jump up and scream that you are lying. He is trained to explain to you what he sees and to try to figure out what may be causing this reaction. Very often, the reaction is caused by something you may have forgotten to tell him. It may be caused by the way the question is worded. A good operator will give you every benefit of the doubt and every opportunity to fix the response.

The operator should conduct a control exercise with you. One in which you intentionally lie to a question. For example, the operator will give you eight cards with a number. You will be instructed to answer in the negative when he asks you if your card contained a particular number-even the one you held. The operator will then tell you which card you had. This demonstrates to him that he it adjusted properly and demonstrates to you that it is working properly.

One other word of warning. There are many sites on the Internet with advice on how to beat the polygraph. Some of these include inducing pain at the begnning of each answer, controlled breathing, etc. If the operator detects this, and he probably will, you are done.

Do not be afraid to tell the truth. Everyone has made mistakes and everyone has a skeleton in the closet. If you like looking at child porn on the Internet and admit it under the guise of telling the truth, you ain't getting the job. That's not what I mean.

Wear a suit, make a good impression and tell the truth.

[yama75006]

Every canidate has to take a polygraph before being hired. It was just not posted in the job announcement and I thought it had to be. Anyhow my results came back as inconsistent and I have been dropped. I didn't lie at all in the polygraph although I was extremely nervous. Better luck next time I guess. At least I know I told the truth and did the best that I could.

[CaptBob]

How did you prepare for the poly before you showed up?

Often candidates are eliminated through the poly with inconclusive results. Not that you failed, but it’s the same as you did. Why is that? You didn’t fail and you didn’t pass? Your results were inconclusive. You still don’t go forward in the hiring process. I think the problem again is candidates need to prepare for the poly the same as with any segment of the hiring process.

Randy had the same problem. He took the poly and the evaluator eliminated him with inconclusive results based on his use of pot within the last five years. He swore he had not. Yea, right you say, but that’s his story.

So, Randy jumps on the Internet and found www.polygraph.com and www.passapolygraph.com He educated himself on what to expect. He took a poly for another agency and passes with flying colors even that inconclusive area about pot and was hired.

[nmfire]

It is definately an interesting experience. Don't lie. Don't try to fool it. Both will result in your going down in flames.

[InTheBlood]

Are you automatically eliminated if you have smoked pot in the last 5 years?

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

How did you prepare for the poly before you showed up?

Often candidates are eliminated through the poly with inconclusive results. Not that you failed, but it’s the same as you did. Why is that? You didn’t fail and you didn’t pass? Your results were inconclusive. You still don’t go forward in the hiring process. I think the problem again is candidates need to prepare for the poly the same as with any segment of the hiring process.

Randy had the same problem. He took the poly and the evaluator eliminated him with inconclusive results based on his use of pot within the last five years. He swore he had not. Yea, right you say, but that’s his story.

So, Randy jumps on the Internet and found www.polygraph.com and www.passapolygraph.com He educated himself on what to expect. He took a poly for another agency and passes with flying colors even that inconclusive area about pot and was hired.

These web sites teach deceptive techniques to attempt to "fool" the operator. Only use them if you have no desire to become a fire fighter.

I detest any so-called "expert" who advises young people to do anything other than tell the truth during the hiring process. You do not need to buy a book or a CD to become a FF. Hundreds of thousands of people have become FF without these products. You don't nbeed them either.

[BULL321]

Just as other have said, tell the truth. This process starts from the time when you fill out your application. If you are misleading/lie on your application, it will bite in the ass. You fill out the form, turn it in and then they tell you to come in next week to take your polygraph. Oh sh*t, you think, I did not tell them about this or that. I forgot about that speeding ticket from 4 years ago. and so on and so on. Sometimes it can be an honest mistake, or you could be just out right lying. So the best advice that I could give you is to think about each and every question on the application. Answer the question truthfully, and that way when it comes time to take your polygraph you will not place any added stress on you. Believe me when I tell you, the test is stressful enough without you having to worry about your gray answers to the blackand white polygraph questions.

Note: When I say you, I don't mean you YAMMA75006, I mean it in general. I'm not implying that you are or were misleading on your application in any way. I hope this advise will help you the next time that you apply.

On a side note, make a copy of your filled out application and keep it with your personal records at home, that way if you ever change jobs, you can correctly file out your new job application. Trust my in 10 years you are going to have a hard time remembering the address and name of your boss of your first job back when you were in high school.

[nmfire]

A quote from the headline of polygraph.com.
ALWAYS PASS YOUR POLYGRAPH TEST - NERVOUS OR NOT - LYING OR NOT - NO MATTER WHAT - GUARANTEED!

That in and of itself stopped me from reading any further. I'd rather be able to say "No, I never read the crap on that website. I passed on my own, not because I learned how."

[CaptBob]

A quote from the headline of polygraph.com.


That in and of itself stopped me from reading any further. I'd rather be able to say "No, I never read the crap on that website. I passed on my own, not because I learned how."

I believe you need to be prepared for every step in the hiring process before you show up. Did you prepare for the written? The agility? The oral board? Then why doesn't it make since to prepare for the remainder of the hiring process the psych and poly?

FF/PM1 Wrote in this previous posting:

Yes, I was asked if I had researched polygraphs in my pre-interview, but not in the actual polygraph exam. The examiner asked me why I researched polygraphs? Was I going to manipulate it? I said of course not, but I always study before going into a test, I knew nothing about polygraphs prior to my hiring process and wanted to know what they are about.

While I am a big advocate of honesty in the hiring process, I am also an advocate on RESEARCH prior to entering into a new portion of the hiring process.

This does not make you a "cheater" or "dishonest" for wanting to know what you are getting yourself into, just thorough.

I researched every step of my hiring process. I learned everything I could about interviews, medicals, psych exams, polygraphs, backgrounds...not because I was trying to manipulate the system with deception or dishonesty, but I wanted to know what is next.

Honesty was the foundation of everything during my hiring process. I used this formula.....

If asked, a truthful answer was always given.

If asked a question, I would answer the question honestly then be quiet.

All other times I sat there with my mouth shut.

I have had friends fail polygraphs, not because they were dishonest, but they were not educated for what they were getting into. They sat down and were honest, but when answering one of the polygrpaher's questions, they would answer the question and then ADD additional info not even asked for. This ultimately led to their demise.

Learning about a polygraph does not mean I am trying to cheat it. Were you trying to cheat by going to fire stations and finding out what types of questions may be asked on the oral interview? No, you just wanted to be prepared.

Be honest, be prepared and be consistent.

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

I believe you need to be prepared for every step in the hiring process before you show up. Did you prepare for the written? The agility? The oral board? Then why doesn't it make since to prepare for the remainder of the hiring process the psych and poly?

FF/PM1 Wrote in this previous posting:

Yes, I was asked if I had researched polygraphs in my pre-interview, but not in the actual polygraph exam. The examiner asked me why I researched polygraphs? Was I going to manipulate it? I said of course not, but I always study before going into a test, I knew nothing about polygraphs prior to my hiring process and wanted to know what they are about.

While I am a big advocate of honesty in the hiring process, I am also an advocate on RESEARCH prior to entering into a new portion of the hiring process.

This does not make you a "cheater" or "dishonest" for wanting to know what you are getting yourself into, just thorough.

I researched every step of my hiring process. I learned everything I could about interviews, medicals, psych exams, polygraphs, backgrounds...not because I was trying to manipulate the system with deception or dishonesty, but I wanted to know what is next.

Honesty was the foundation of everything during my hiring process. I used this formula.....

If asked, a truthful answer was always given.

If asked a question, I would answer the question honestly then be quiet.

All other times I sat there with my mouth shut.

I have had friends fail polygraphs, not because they were dishonest, but they were not educated for what they were getting into. They sat down and were honest, but when answering one of the polygrpaher's questions, they would answer the question and then ADD additional info not even asked for. This ultimately led to their demise.

Learning about a polygraph does not mean I am trying to cheat it. Were you trying to cheat by going to fire stations and finding out what types of questions may be asked on the oral interview? No, you just wanted to be prepared.

Be honest, be prepared and be consistent.

Blah, blah, blah.

Tell the truth. Do not buy into bobby's crap. Get hired.

[CaptBob]

I’ve been assisting candidates for more than 35 years. Over the last 5 or so years not one candidate that I’ve referred to prepare in advance for their poly got back to me that it created problems for them. Not one.

I do receive calls from candidates on a regular basis whose poly came back with inconclusive results or they failed like yama75006 posting above, when they felt they were truthful. When I asked what they did to prepare in advance of their polys not one had prepared. When these candidates got back to me after reviewing the sites above, they knew immediately why they failed, and would have been more prepared to pass their polys.

You get to decide. Go in better prepared or not. There is no law prohibiting you from being prepared for every step of the hiring process including the poly. If you could learn just one thing that could make the difference in you passing your poly or failing without compromising your honesty wouldn't you want to know before you walked in? Did you know that too many candidates fail their poly by what they say before they're hooked up or after they're taken off the poly? So now you know to keep quiet.

So, if you believe those who are against preparing for the poly you go in not knowing what to expect. Then career you have dreamed about evaporates before you eyes. Maybe they can post their phone numbers so you can call them up and ask, “What do I do now?”

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

I’ve been assisting candidates for more than 35 years. Over the last 5 or so years not one candidate that I’ve referred to prepare in advance for their poly got back to me that it created problems for them. Not one.

I do receive calls from candidates on a regular basis whose poly came back with inconclusive results or they failed like yama75006 posting above, when they felt they were truthful. When I asked what they did to prepare in advance of their polys not one had prepared. When these candidates got back to me after reviewing the sites above, they knew immediately why they failed, and would have been more prepared to pass their polys.

You get to decide. Go in better prepared or not. There is no law prohibiting you from being prepared for every step of the hiring process including the poly. If you could learn just one thing that could make the difference in you passing your poly or failing without compromising your honesty wouldn't you want to know before you walked in? Did you know that too many candidates fail their poly by what they say before they're hooked up or after they're taken off the poly? So now you know to keep quiet.

So, if you believe those who are against preparing for the poly you go in not knowing what to expect. Then career you have dreamed about evaporates before you eyes. Maybe they can post their phone numbers so you can call them up and ask, “What do I do now?”

Nice spin, bobby. I never said not to prepare. In fact, I posted a detailed explanation of what a polygraph is, what it is not and what the process of the polygraph entails. That is FAR more than what you did. You posted links to sites that claim to help you beat the polygraph. Nice.

I also advised kids not to go into a poly trying to "beat it". The techniques on the websites you link your crap to will be picked up in seconds by any experienced polygraph operator. That will mean immediate dismissal from the process. But you didn't say any of that. Because, after all, ALL THAT MATTERS IS THE BADGE!

During my career as a crminal investigator, I have used the polygraph hundreds of times to determine whether a subject is being deceptive. I know exactly what I am talking about in this issue.

What I have never seen you do is to advise these kids to tell the truth. Being honest is perhaps the first quality that I would look for in a candidate. You advice them to go to sites that teach techniques for deceptive practices. Way to go! You are despicable in the way you take advantage of these kids for your personal profit. I know, I know, you give away plenty of free stuff. If you are so interested in these kids-give it all away, why don't you.

My office phone number is 973-927-0728. I would be more than happy to discuss this matter with anyone who truly wants to learn about the polygraph. In fact, bobby, why don't you give me a call, too? Just to chat.

[nmfire]

And the score is still George 1, Bob 0. Stay turned kids. Coming up next, Captain Bob will teach us how to pass the drug test after doing crystal meth the day before!

[DeputyMarshal]

I’ve been assisting candidates for more than 35 years.

You've been taking gullible candidates money for 35 years. It remains to be seen if you've been doing anything that improved thier chances of getting hired. Based on the pap you spew here, I doubt it.

Of course, if your business was all that successful you'd actually be able to purchase advertising space rather than spamming a free forum.

The only meaningful "preparation" for the polygraph is not to have ever done anything that you don't want to risk revealing in a polygraph test. If you have skeletons in your closet that might interfere with getting the job, take the test at your own risk because the only advice that counts on test day is to tell the truth.

Your advice about the polygraph is no better than your advice about psych tests: Utterly worthless.

[CaptBob]

If the polygraph is so accurate and reliable why do most federal and state courts not allow polygraph results to be entered as evidence?


According to Antipolygraph.org:

The simplistic methodology used in polygraph testing has no grounding in the scientific method: it is no more scientific than astrology or tarot cards. Government agencies value it because people who don't realize it's a fraud sometimes make damaging admissions. But as a result of reliance on this voodoo science, the truthful are often falsely branded as liars while the deceptive pass through.

Learn more here:

http://antipolygraph.org/

[nmfire]

This fool continues to make himself look bad, yet he thinks he is proving something. Now he is comparing the polygraph to Miss Cleo the TV psychic.

http://www.populationstatistic.com/images/misscleo.jpg

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/7596/cleold8.jpg

I don't know about you, but I think I trust Miss Cleo more than Captain Bob. And as George pointed out, Captain Crunch here still has yet to suggest actually telling the truth.

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

If the polygraph is so accurate and reliable why do most federal and state courts not allow polygraph results to be entered as evidence?


According to Antipolygraph.org:

The simplistic methodology used in polygraph testing has no grounding in the scientific method: it is no more scientific than astrology or tarot cards. Government agencies value it because people who don't realize it's a fraud sometimes make damaging admissions. But as a result of reliance on this voodoo science, the truthful are often falsely branded as liars while the deceptive pass through.

Learn more here:

http://antipolygraph.org/

I have heard similar excuses from every guilty person who refused to take a polygraph.

Real objective website. You want to throw websites around, here's a few:

http://polygraph-west.com/home.html
www.polygrpah.org

You know cap'n bobby, why don't YOU tell the truth for a change. Why don't you admit that you are against pre-employment polygraphs? You know what? So am I. 100%. In fact, in NJ, it is illegal to even offer an applicant a polygraph.

But you would have to stop your passive/aggressive responses and actually debate adults, instead of the kids you victimize.

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

Guys, don't bother complaining to the WT about this guy. I have tried it a million times. I guess if you are an author here, you get special priveleges.

[nmfire]

I wouldn't expect them to do anything.

In the meantime, some google-image searching and Adobe Photoshop yields these new photos of Captain Bob! Tada!

[BULL321]

CaptBob it does not matter if the courts allow the use of the polygraph in criminal court cases. What does matter is that most public saftey jobs( LEO, FF, EMS) require you to take one. I agree with one to a point, that some people who are not lying fail the polygraph because they are nervous. But let be honest, if you get that tore up by taking a polygraph, then do I ready want you next to me on the fire ground when the sh*t hits the fan. Not everyone is ment to a Fireman, and the polygraph is just one way to "thin the herd".

To any one that has not passed the polygraph, no disrespect intended.

When it comes down to brass tacks , the best policy is honesty. If you have done somthing stupid in the past, (marijuana use for example) and they ask you about it, tell them the truth. Don't try to lie, because at the best the polygraph will show that your answer is inconclusive. So if you have to take a polygraph, relax, tell the truth. It's a Yes, or No answer test, so along as you did not lie on your application you will be fine.

[CaptBob]

There has certainly been enough information to help candidates make a decision on how you want to prepare in your pursuits.

I would like to personally thank nmfire for his great insight on our psychic abilities and going to great lengths to put together the graphics. I liked it so much I’ve put the idea and pictures up on our web site. You can check it out here: http://www.eatstress.com/reading.htm

“Captain Bob"

[Irish6019]

I've learned over the few weeks that I've been a member here to not read Bob's stuff. Almost every single post of his includes links to sites. This alone discredits anything he says. I just deleted the two bookmarks I had to sites that he suggested that I stupidly believed when I first read them here. Thanks to everyone else for clearing my clouded vision.

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

I've learned over the few weeks that I've been a member here to not read Bob's stuff. Almost every single post of his includes links to sites. This alone discredits anything he says. I just deleted the two bookmarks I had to sites that he suggested that I stupidly believed when I first read them here. Thanks to everyone else for clearing my clouded vision.

Congratulations. Just help us spread the word.

[nmfire]

And perhaps Capt Bob will eventually get sued for fraud just like Miss Cleo did!

Honesty and not being a criminal will get you the job. Not learning how to cheat the system.

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

And perhaps Capt Bob will eventually get sued for fraud just like Miss Cleo did!

Honesty and not being a criminal will get you the job. Not learning how to cheat the system.

Exactly....

[scfire86]

While our department reserves the right to require a polygraph they rarely give one.

I was never afraid of taking one despite a rambunctious youth during the 70's.

Just like I was never afraid of taking a drug test either.

[FFighterRob]

In the last year I have talked to a few hundred people who were recently hired, or hired shortly afterward. They all seemed to have the same thing in common, intelligence. I not necessarily talking about rocket scientist intelligence, but that kind of common scene that we all but require in firefighters. As such they all seemed to have gone about getting their job in a similar manner, they prepared in every way they could.

When we respond to a fire we try and prepare in every way before we enter. We look at the type of construction, occupancy, look for hazards, consider the time of day as well as weather conditions. Most people who get hired similarly prepare. They start by finding out how to properly fill out an application, decide if it should it be typed or handwritten, done on the computer or typewriter. Then they research they written test, there are many books on the subject because all but a select few need to find out what’s on the test and prepare. Then they find out what will be involved in the physical agility testing, and make sure they can pass by finding out about each event and what techniques work best so there are no surprises. Then they research the oral interview, ask those who took it last what kind of questions they can expect and then prepare for them. This is standard practice and is not considered cheating or being dishonest, it is the mark of an intelligent person doing all they can to get a job. Then they prepare for a chief’s interview. In filling out a background packet much thought and research is done, not many of us recall every job and address along with the dates, as well as figuring out whom to use as references. People will also put time and thought into the medical physical, I get a lot of calls from people trying to find out what eye sight requirements there are, can it be correctable, can you be slightly color blind, Etc. It is a very long and stressful process.

To expect an intelligent person to research every part of the hiring process and not do research on the polygraph, the section that eliminates the most people, is asinine. It seems ridicules that anyone would encourage a person to go into possibly the most foreign, stressful part of the process and learn nothing about it before hand. I would love to hear the benefit of not preparing.

I have seen George accuse Capt Bob of telling people to lie over and over. But he never seems to be able to show where this happened. There is a good reason, he never has. In fact anyone who has read Capt Bob’s book, or gone through his DVD or CD’s can tell you he spends a good portion of them telling people to be honest and include everything in their past, he even gives an example of how he did the same thing when he was hired.

I also think it’s funny that people that apparently don’t care for his postings seem to be the ones who read and reply to them the most. Not that I’m complaining, it just allows more people to read his postings. I’m sure that those people that are going to be hired some day, meaning the intelligent ones, will see that his advice is based in fact and is proven. I don’t know about the track record of the others who post here, but I know Capt Bob has helped more people get hired as firefighters than are employed in the state of Hawaii.

I don't care who you are, the firefighters head on Miss Cleo is damn funny.

Good Luck, Capt Rob
www.myfireinterview.com
(707)869-1330
nrtc@sonic.net

[Firegod343]

While I hate to be a fence rider....I think that both George and Capt. Bob have some good points.

I had to take a polygraph for a part-time job at our Fire Academy (it's operated by the State Patrol). Even though I have a spotless background and would never think of lying I was nervous as hell. The detective administrating the test was a really nice guy, and explained that my nervousness was brought on by the common misbelief that with the polygraph he could actually "read my mind."

I actually "failed" the first two attempts. The first time, the detective left the room and returned to say "we are going to do this again." The second time he left the room and came back in he stated that I was "moving my head when I answered." Finally, I passed on the third attempt.

I would never advocate lying, or cheating, or attempting to fool the evaluator. I would also not advocate walking into a polygraph cold either.

One quick addendum. 5 years ago the State Patrol did away with the polygraph for academy workers. (We're now private contractors). Why?.....because there was an 82% failure rate. Keep in mind that those taking the test were all career firefighters already.


....but I know Capt Bob has helped more people get hired as firefighters than are employed in the state of Hawaii.

Something about this statement made me crack up. I know that I've helped a lot people get into a State of Confusion.:rolleyes:



FG

[nmfire]

The fact that Captain Cleo is directing people to sites specifically designed to teach you how to DEFRAUD the polygraph test, I would consider that the equivalent to telling them to be dishonest.

There is nothing wrong with researching what the polygraph is and how it works. But to suggest people learn how to lie and cheat through it is wrong. And as it has been pointed out many times already, he never once tells these kids to be honest in the polygraph. He just links a bunch of sites so they can learn how to NOT be honest.

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

In the last year I have talked to a few hundred people who were recently hired, or hired shortly afterward. They all seemed to have the same thing in common, intelligence. I not necessarily talking about rocket scientist intelligence, but that kind of common scene that we all but require in firefighters. As such they all seemed to have gone about getting their job in a similar manner, they prepared in every way they could.

When we respond to a fire we try and prepare in every way before we enter. We look at the type of construction, occupancy, look for hazards, consider the time of day as well as weather conditions. Most people who get hired similarly prepare. They start by finding out how to properly fill out an application, decide if it should it be typed or handwritten, done on the computer or typewriter. Then they research they written test, there are many books on the subject because all but a select few need to find out what’s on the test and prepare. Then they find out what will be involved in the physical agility testing, and make sure they can pass by finding out about each event and what techniques work best so there are no surprises. Then they research the oral interview, ask those who took it last what kind of questions they can expect and then prepare for them. This is standard practice and is not considered cheating or being dishonest, it is the mark of an intelligent person doing all they can to get a job. Then they prepare for a chief’s interview. In filling out a background packet much thought and research is done, not many of us recall every job and address along with the dates, as well as figuring out whom to use as references. People will also put time and thought into the medical physical, I get a lot of calls from people trying to find out what eye sight requirements there are, can it be correctable, can you be slightly color blind, Etc. It is a very long and stressful process.

To expect an intelligent person to research every part of the hiring process and not do research on the polygraph, the section that eliminates the most people, is asinine. It seems ridicules that anyone would encourage a person to go into possibly the most foreign, stressful part of the process and learn nothing about it before hand. I would love to hear the benefit of not preparing.

I have seen George accuse Capt Bob of telling people to lie over and over. But he never seems to be able to show where this happened. There is a good reason, he never has. In fact anyone who has read Capt Bob’s book, or gone through his DVD or CD’s can tell you he spends a good portion of them telling people to be honest and include everything in their past, he even gives an example of how he did the same thing when he was hired.

I also think it’s funny that people that apparently don’t care for his postings seem to be the ones who read and reply to them the most. Not that I’m complaining, it just allows more people to read his postings. I’m sure that those people that are going to be hired some day, meaning the intelligent ones, will see that his advice is based in fact and is proven. I don’t know about the track record of the others who post here, but I know Capt Bob has helped more people get hired as firefighters than are employed in the state of Hawaii.

I don't care who you are, the firefighters head on Miss Cleo is damn funny.

Good Luck, Capt Rob
www.myfireinterview.com
(707)869-1330
nrtc@sonic.net

Junior, nobody EVER stated not to research and prepare for the polygraph-especially me. In fact, if you bothered to read, I posted a rather legthy and technical description of exactly what the polygraph is and what it does. I also posted exactly what it does not do. My info is solid, not because I read it in a book, but because over the course of about 20 years, i have used the polygrpah in my investigations hundreds of times. I have observed dozens of polygraph exams. I have seen them work. Sometimes they influenced a person to confess, sometimes they cleared an innocent party and sometimes the results of the exam were inconclusive. But the polygraph worked every time. It is a tool.

Your daddy also has absolutely encouraged people to lie in their polygrpah. I am not going to go back and research it but it was the very first time I went to battle with him. Since that time, he will not come out and admit it. Now, he encourages people to only disclose the information that someone is likely to find out. He encourages people to "research" the polygraph at websites whose sole purpose is to teach people techniques that allegedly "beats" the polygraph. It is a blatanlty unethical approach to advise kids who are following their dream to become a fire fighter to learn deception techniques that will immediately if not sooner get them disqualified from the process when the operator detects they are using it.

But you are going to attack me? Attack away Junior. There are hundreds of thousands of fire fighters who managed to get hired without your daddy's help. Or yours for that matter. Making money on the backs of kids with a dream is disgusting.

I will continue to help these kids for free. I have helped a number of them, too. But I do it without coming on here selling snake oil and patting myself on the back.

[jonnyirons2]

Ive got my eye on you Focker!

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

BTW Junior, you would have also seen that I am dead set against pre-employment polygraphs.

[CaptBob]

The fact that Captain Cleo is directing people to sites specifically designed to teach you how to DEFRAUD the polygraph test, I would consider that the equivalent to telling them to be dishonest.

There is nothing wrong with researching what the polygraph is and how it works. But to suggest people learn how to lie and cheat through it is wrong. And as it has been pointed out many times already, he never once tells these kids to be honest in the polygraph. He just links a bunch of sites so they can learn how to NOT be honest.

nmfire All the way through my postings I've encouraged candidates to be prepared before they show for every step of the hiring process including the poly while maintaining their honesty. Not to cheat, try to beat the system or defraud. Just being prepared to know what to expect.

As posted by firegod343 above:

One quick addendum. 5 years ago the State Patrol did away with the polygraph for academy workers. (We're now private contractors). Why?.....because there was an 82% failure rate. Keep in mind that those taking the test were all career firefighters already.

Where did you come up with that I'm directing and suggesting people to lie and not be honest? Have you actually seen these programs, not just the web sites hype? Do you think a candidate who wants to maintain their honesty can use what they want from a program to be prepared, know what to expect and still be honest? Show me where you found it.

BTWnmfire: You're a full time online firefighter, right? Years in service, right? Got 3,700 postings on firehouse, right. Maybe then you can direct us to those postings you've made with information to assist candidates in their pursuit to get hired and the testimonies from those you've helped?

"Captain Bob"

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

Hey Junior. Can you prove this claim?

Hands down, we help more firefighters get hired in the US of A and Canada than anyone else!

That was copied from your website. If you can't prove it, it is a lie.

[nmfire]

BTW nmfire: You're a full time online firefighter, right? Years in service, right? Got 3,700 postings on firehouse, right. Maybe then you can direct us to those postings you've made with information to assist candidates in their pursuit to get hired and the testimonies from those you've helped?
Oooooh. Great defense. Resort to post counts!. See, here is the difference between you and me. I don't claim to be someone I'm not. I don't give people moronic advice. And I don't use this forum to advertise my personal business for free rather than paying for ad-space. I generally stick to the subject matter I am good at or have some useful experience in. And when I don't know, I usually keep my mouth shut and let someone else dive in.

In this case, I know your giving out crappy advice about the polygraph so I'm speaking up. I know this because I did manage to pass it and I did so without you or any crap website's help.

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

See, here is the difference between you and me.

Come on now, there's alot of differnece between you and him.

[FFighterRob]

George, It is interesting that when I ask you to back up your claim that people are being told to lie, you say you don’t have the time. Every time you have brought it up over the years I have asked you where it was posted and you never have said where you get it from. When a person makes an allegation and can’t back it up they loose credibility. But your response is to ask me to back up a claim on my sight.

I have the names, phone numbers, and emails of over four hundred people I have helped get hired in the last five years, but I don’t need to post them here, it would be silly and I don’t give out other peoples information without asking. But you will see the testimonials from a lot of them on my sight.

I have found that people that want to discuss facts use facts, people that don’t have a good argument switch to name calling and insults. I have not said anything bad about you at all, I asked a question. If you want to call me junior that’s fine, as a matter of fact I am a JR. If you want to call Capt Bob, Bobbie that’s fine, it is kind of funny because the only other person that ever calls him that is my Mom when she is feeling amorous. You also referred to snake oil salesmen. Well, seeing as that all of the products and services offered by Capt Bob and myself are 100% money back, no questions asked, I would like to know who is getting ripped off.

Good Luck, Capt Rob
www.myfireinterview.com
(707)869-1330
nrtc@sonic.net

[BKDRAFT]

I have personally met Captain Bob and Captain Rob where they helped me obtain my career in the fire service. They are stand up straight forward individuals who are truly trying there very best to get candidates hired. Yes they are getting paid but why shouldn't they? When they spend time to do seminars at colleges and set aside time to meet with you one on one I have no problem paying them. They are providing a service just like any other business. At no time have I ever been told, hinted, or heard anyone else mention to be anything else than truthful.

I recommend and continue to send aspiring candidates there way.

Keep up the good work guys!

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

George, It is interesting that when I ask you to back up your claim that people are being told to lie, you say you don’t have the time. Every time you have brought it up over the years I have asked you where it was posted and you never have said where you get it from. When a person makes an allegation and can’t back it up they loose credibility. But your response is to ask me to back up a claim on my sight.

I have the names, phone numbers, and emails of over four hundred people I have helped get hired in the last five years, but I don’t need to post them here, it would be silly and I don’t give out other peoples information without asking. But you will see the testimonials from a lot of them on my sight.

I have found that people that want to discuss facts use facts, people that don’t have a good argument switch to name calling and insults. I have not said anything bad about you at all, I asked a question. If you want to call me junior that’s fine, as a matter of fact I am a JR. If you want to call Capt Bob, Bobbie that’s fine, it is kind of funny because the only other person that ever calls him that is my Mom when she is feeling amorous. You also referred to snake oil salesmen. Well, seeing as that all of the products and services offered by Capt Bob and myself are 100% money back, no questions asked, I would like to know who is getting ripped off.

Good Luck, Capt Rob
www.myfireinterview.com
(707)869-1330
nrtc@sonic.net

First of all, we don't really have to get too far into this.

Your mom is feeling amorous towards you? From dictionary.com

am·o·rous /ˈæmərəs/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[am-er-uhs] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective 1. inclined or disposed to love, esp. sexual love: an amorous disposition.
2. showing or expressing love: an amorous letter.
3. of or pertaining to love: amorous poetry.
4. being in love; enamored: She smiled and at once he became amorous of her.

That's just plain sick. Explains alot, but its just plain sick.

Seondly, I told you exactly where to find where he was encouraging these kids to lie. I'm not going back to find it. You want to find it, have at it. Even if you don't want to, encouraging kids to "learn" about the polygraph at websites whose sole purpose is to teach people techniques on how to beat the polygraph is exactly the same thing.

Thirdly, FOUR HUNDRED PEOPLE! Oh my God! You didn't tell me that you've helped 400 people! Why, that's about 3% of the FDNY. Can you explain to us how you arrived at the conclusion that with 400 people you've helped more candidates than anyone in the US and Canada to get jobs? HINT: You can't, it's a lie.

I am using plenty of facts, there junior. I just throw the insults in to spice it up a little.

Tell daddy we all said hi. Too bad he can't fight his own battles.

[FFighterRob]

If you read what I posted I said that is what my mom calls my dad when she want him, not me.

Those four hundred people are just the ones that I have coached in person, not the ones who claim to have been helped using the products that we sell.

I am sure that my father can fight his own battles, I just felt like putting in my own opinion. The beauty of you and your posts is that nothing drives more people to our web sites than when you post things like this. It goes up ten fold, the people stay longer, view more pages and are more likely to buy products and services. So in you quest to “protect” people from the snake oil salesman you have actually done us a great service.

Good Luck, Capt Rob
www.myfireinterview.com
nrtc@sonic.net
(707)869-1330

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

If you read what I posted I said that is what my mom calls my dad when she want him, not me.

Those four hundred people are just the ones that I have coached in person, not the ones who claim to have been helped using the products that we sell.

I am sure that my father can fight his own battles, I just felt like putting in my own opinion. The beauty of you and your posts is that nothing drives more people to our web sites than when you post things like this. It goes up ten fold, the people stay longer, view more pages and are more likely to buy products and services. So in you quest to “protect” people from the snake oil salesman you have actually done us a great service.

Good Luck, Capt Rob
www.myfireinterview.com
nrtc@sonic.net
(707)869-1330


Nice try. I'm not going to stop. I do not know how you sleep at night.

[CaptBob]

Tell daddy we all said hi. Too bad he can't fight his own battles.

And another:

http://forums.firehouse.com/showthread.php?t=97219

Your acts gettin' old here, bobby.

So when you get bored you try to find some way take away the boredom and the nagging fellings inside you.

What would you like me to do George, come out and play? For years you’ve been following me around like a puppy dog with your nose up my butt challenging our material, posting insulting comments and wanting to debate, like it’s some kind of sport.

So, every time we ask you to back up your claims, you spin the truth you say you’re trying to provide, attack us and those who defend us, rummage through our web site trying to find something to discredit us. You would make a great politician.

I would prefer to just help those interested candidates gain the needed skills to get hired.

You say you have helped others get hired in your own way. That’s great. Now why don’t you let us help candidates get hired in our own proven way? So you post your comments and we will post ours. Deal?

"Captain Bob"

www.eatstress.com

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

And another:

http://forums.firehouse.com/showthread.php?t=97219

Your acts gettin' old here, bobby.

So when you get bored you try to find some way take away the boredom and the nagging fellings inside you.

What would you like me to do George, come out and play? For years you’ve been following me around like a puppy dog with your nose up my butt challenging our material, posting insulting comments and wanting to debate, like it’s some kind of sport.

So, every time we ask you to back up your claims, you spin the truth you say you’re trying to provide, attack us and those who defend us, rummage through our web site trying to find something to discredit us. You would make a great politician.

I would prefer to just help those interested candidates gain the needed skills to get hired.

You say you have helped others get hired in your own way. That’s great. Now why don’t you let us help candidates get hired in our own proven way? So you post your comments and we will post ours. Deal?

"Captain Bob"

www.eatstress.com

I always back my claims up with facts old timer. That's why you rarely have the guts to address me directly.

I will not stop because I know how bad most of these kids want a job. And paying for advice that they can get for free. Advice that is often times better, is just plain wrong. These kids are vulnerable and you take advantage of them. Just like the claim on juniors website about how you two have helped more candidates get jobs than anyone else. That is a lie that you cannot back up. It is impossible.

I'm not going to stop. So better strap yourself in.

[CaptBob]

nmfire All the way through my postings I've encouraged candidates to be prepared before they show for every step of the hiring process including the poly while maintaining their honesty. Not to cheat, try to beat the system or defraud. Just being prepared to know what to expect.

Where did you come up with that I'm directing and suggesting people to lie and not be honest? Have you actually seen these programs, not just the web sites hype? Do you think a candidate who wants to maintain their honesty can use what they want from a program to be prepared, know what to expect and still be honest? Show me where you found it.

"Captain Bob"

You replied with

Oooooh. Great defense. Resort to post counts!. See, here is the difference between you and me. I don't claim to be someone I'm not.

Me either.

I don't give people moronic advice.

Me either. Although you're starting to sound like it.

I generally stick to the subject matter I am good at or have some useful experience in. And when I don't know, I usually keep my mouth shut and let someone else dive in.

You should have. Why don't you play in your own sand box next time instead of posting crap from your dispatchers chair on duty.

In this case, I know your giving out crappy advice about the polygraph so I'm speaking up. I know this because I did manage to pass it and I did so without you or any crap website's help.

Nice spin. I'm still waiting for your reply where I've encouaged candidates to lie and cheat?

"Captain Bob"

www.eatstress.com

[BLSboy]

Nice spin. I'm still waiting for your reply where I've encouaged candidates to lie and cheat?

"Captain Bob"

Capt, I previously had looked over your website on a regular basis, and looked at your materials. I now say I am done. I would prefer to get free advise from cantankerous, cranky, senile George then you. With this post, you destroyed all credibility you had with me by encouraging canidates to peruse a website that encourages canidates to basically lie (read between the lines), it is gone, and probably it ain't coming back.

How did you prepare for the poly before you showed up?

Often candidates are eliminated through the poly with inconclusive results. Not that you failed, but it’s the same as you did. Why is that? You didn’t fail and you didn’t pass? Your results were inconclusive. You still don’t go forward in the hiring process. I think the problem again is candidates need to prepare for the poly the same as with any segment of the hiring process.

Randy had the same problem. He took the poly and the evaluator eliminated him with inconclusive results based on his use of pot within the last five years. He swore he had not. Yea, right you say, but that’s his story.

So, Randy jumps on the Internet and found www.polygraph.com and www.passapolygraph.com He educated himself on what to expect. He took a poly for another agency and passes with flying colors even that inconclusive area about pot and was hired.

[Firegod343]

from cantankerous, cranky, senile George

Cantankerous yes, senile maybe, but cranky???? I think George is just misunderstood:D

Now go back to your Paramedic studies!

FG

[CaptBob]

blsboy:

You can read into it anything you want. Have you seen the products on those sites? How can you pass judgement until you have? Do you think a candidate who wants to maintain their honesty can use what they want from a program to be prepared, know what to expect and still be honest, not try to beat the system and not cheat? Here's one of many that did just that:

FF/PM1 Wrote in this previous posting:

Yes, I was asked if I had researched polygraphs in my pre-interview, but not in the actual polygraph exam. The examiner asked me why I researched polygraphs? Was I going to manipulate it? I said of course not, but I always study before going into a test, I knew nothing about polygraphs prior to my hiring process and wanted to know what they are about.

While I am a big advocate of honesty in the hiring process, I am also an advocate on RESEARCH prior to entering into a new portion of the hiring process.

This does not make you a "cheater" or "dishonest" for wanting to know what you are getting yourself into, just thorough.

I researched every step of my hiring process. I learned everything I could about interviews, medicals, psych exams, polygraphs, backgrounds...not because I was trying to manipulate the system with deception or dishonesty, but I wanted to know what is next.

Honesty was the foundation of everything during my hiring process. I used this formula.....

If asked, a truthful answer was always given.

If asked a question, I would answer the question honestly then be quiet.

All other times I sat there with my mouth shut.

I have had friends fail polygraphs, not because they were dishonest, but they were not educated for what they were getting into. They sat down and were honest, but when answering one of the polygrpaher's questions, they would answer the question and then ADD additional info not even asked for. This ultimately led to their demise.

Learning about a polygraph does not mean I am trying to cheat it. Were you trying to cheat by going to fire stations and finding out what types of questions may be asked on the oral interview? No, you just wanted to be prepared.

Be honest, be prepared and be consistent.

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

blsboy:

You can read into it anything you want. Have you seen the products on those sites? How can you pass judgement until you have? Do you think a candidate who wants to maintain their honesty can use what they want from a program to be prepared, know what to expect and still be honest, not try to beat the system and not cheat? Here's one of many that did just that:

FF/PM1 Wrote in this previous posting:

Yes, I was asked if I had researched polygraphs in my pre-interview, but not in the actual polygraph exam. The examiner asked me why I researched polygraphs? Was I going to manipulate it? I said of course not, but I always study before going into a test, I knew nothing about polygraphs prior to my hiring process and wanted to know what they are about.

While I am a big advocate of honesty in the hiring process, I am also an advocate on RESEARCH prior to entering into a new portion of the hiring process.

This does not make you a "cheater" or "dishonest" for wanting to know what you are getting yourself into, just thorough.

I researched every step of my hiring process. I learned everything I could about interviews, medicals, psych exams, polygraphs, backgrounds...not because I was trying to manipulate the system with deception or dishonesty, but I wanted to know what is next.

Honesty was the foundation of everything during my hiring process. I used this formula.....

If asked, a truthful answer was always given.

If asked a question, I would answer the question honestly then be quiet.

All other times I sat there with my mouth shut.

I have had friends fail polygraphs, not because they were dishonest, but they were not educated for what they were getting into. They sat down and were honest, but when answering one of the polygrpaher's questions, they would answer the question and then ADD additional info not even asked for. This ultimately led to their demise.

Learning about a polygraph does not mean I am trying to cheat it. Were you trying to cheat by going to fire stations and finding out what types of questions may be asked on the oral interview? No, you just wanted to be prepared.

Be honest, be prepared and be consistent.

You can try to rewrite history cap'n bobby, but you can't. I'll type slow so you can understand.

1. No one, but no one suggested that it was a bad thing to research the polygraph and the polygraph exam. No one.

2. You directed these kids to go to websites whose basic purpose is to teach people how to beat the polygraph. There are legitimate places to research the polygraph. But you choose to direct the impressionable kids to websites that teach deception.

3. You and junior have huge lies on your website. I have repeatedly asked for verification that you have helped more candidates become fire fighters than anyone else. Where is the proof?

Your credibility is gone. But I have to thank you. My IM box is lighting up with messages from people who are fed up with you. Also from people who have bought your crap and STILL don't have jobs. Maybe I will post them as "testimonials".

[nmfire]

Blah blah blah

"Captain Bob"

www.eatme.com

As it has been pointed out numerous times by myself and others, you are directing people to websites who's purpose is teaching people how to deceive and defraud the polygraph test. This is no different than actually telling the person to deceive and defraud it yourself. And by the way, as irrelevant as your comments about my chair are, I still think this chair would give better advice than you have so far.

Website hits generated by this thread don't mean more people are going to buy your junk. It means more people are reading what a loser you are. I went to your site too. That doesn't mean I think your helpful or I want to give you my money.

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

C'mon Bobby and Junior. We're waiting. Where is the proof for your claim that you two have helped more people become fire fighters than anyone else in the US or Canada? Where is it?

[FFighterRob]

George,

You have come in and made an allegation that you can’t back up. I asked you for proof and you said you don’t have the time or inclination to do so. You then go into our web sites and ask us to back up a claim made there. There is nothing that would interest me less. I have absolutely no desire to try and appease you. Anyone with a question can call or email me or Capt Bob anytime, but I could care less what you want. Thinking that you can take your lack of ability to back up your own claims and try and turn it around on us may be a nice try, but won’t work. What leads you believe you are the grand Pooh Bah for Firehouse.com is beyond me. Most of us have other things to do in our lives. If this is how you entertain yourself in you latter years, have at it. Post all you want, at a rate of over 3 post a day for over 8 years I am sure you will. but you won’t see us back here.

Anyone who is interested can go to our site and read page after page of testimonies from people all over the U.S. and Canada. http://www.eatstress.com/New_Folder7/badgesnew.htm I would be ridicules to post them all, there are just too many.

Good Luck, Capt Rob
www.myfireinterview.com
nrtc@sonic.net
(707)869-1330

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

George,

You have come in and made an allegation that you can’t back up. I asked you for proof and you said you don’t have the time or inclination to do so. You then go into our web sites and ask us to back up a claim made there. There is nothing that would interest me less. I have absolutely no desire to try and appease you. Anyone with a question can call or email me or Capt Bob anytime, but I could care less what you want. Thinking that you can take your lack of ability to back up your own claims and try and turn it around on us may be a nice try, but won’t work. What leads you believe you are the grand Pooh Bah for Firehouse.com is beyond me. Most of us have other things to do in our lives. If this is how you entertain yourself in you latter years, have at it. Post all you want, at a rate of over 3 post a day for over 8 years I am sure you will. but you won’t see us back here.

Anyone who is interested can go to our site and read page after page of testimonies from people all over the U.S. and Canada. http://www.eatstress.com/New_Folder7/badgesnew.htm I would be ridicules to post them all, there are just too many.

Good Luck, Capt Rob
www.myfireinterview.com
nrtc@sonic.net
(707)869-1330

Junior, there is a huge difference in what you are citing. I can back up what I claimed. I told you exactly where it was. It's there for anyone who wants to search that far back. It happened.

You two, on the other hand, are liars. You have a claim on your website that you have helped more people get fire fighters jobs than anyone in the US or Canada. You then throw out a number like 400. 400? You have got to be kidding me. Admit it Junior, you made it up.

Hey guys, after my IM box lit up the other night, someone was kind enough to forward me this email. It is from the Bobby Boys. You read it and decide for yourselves what kind of people these two are:

Master Debaters

I spent over 2 hours yesterday talking to candidates who have our
program and coaching. Then they have gone on another web site with
possible questions and suggested answers, looked at other books or done
mock interviews. Now they want to discuss the differences and have us
justify our formula and system. The yea, but. They've acquired all
this information and got to the point of analysis paralysis. I refer to
this as the woofel affect. The woofel affect is where you start walking
in a circle. The circle and your steps get smaller. Tighter. The
circle gets so small that you suck yourself up you own ass.

Do we have all the answers? Our program and produces speak for
themselves by getting a whole lot of people get hired. After trying to
defend our process for 20 minutes to one candidate who looked at another
so called experts web site I told him I'm not going to continue on
talking or debating you about this because you let those bad answers do
a mind screw on you. Go look at how many testimonies there are on those
web sites. Then check ours: http://www.eatstress.com/testbest.htm

From our son Captain Rob:

It sometimes surprises me the position I find myself in talking to
people testing for fire jobs. It doesn't happen all that often and I
think that is why I don't see it coming. I will be working with someone
in a coaching session, or just talking on the phone with someone that
has questions. They will ask a few questions, nothing wrong with that,
and then give me information they got from someone else. Apparently, an
expert they talked to, who has given them advise that seems to conflict
with what I am telling them. It never ceases to amaze me that someone
who called me for advice, or is paying me to help them get their dream
job, begins to argue and debate with me.

Now don't get me wrong, I have nothing against asking questions, asking
for clarification, or wondering what the reasoning is behind something.
I wouldn't want a firefighter that didn't know to satisfy their
curiosity. It is very frustrating for me when I hear for the second or
third time, "My fire instructor said this", or " I read another book
that said to handle the situation in another manner",

I think my record and reputation can stand for themselves. I am sure
there is no one in the U.S. that can claim to have helped as many people
get hired than we have. So when someone wants to take the time I am
giving them, it seems silly to debate. It would be like taking you car
to the BMW mechanic and, while he is fixing it, telling him how your
auto shop teacher told you to fix something.

One of my personal achievements, of which I am most proud, was helping
the dumbest guy in the world get a job. His dad is a firefighter and
his son was living in his basement. He had a job, but not a good one.
The dad called me and asked if I could help his son. I did.

While this guy could tell the sharp end from the dull on a flat head
axe, using his cell phone was pushing it. I have no doubt that he is a
great firefighter right now, but he will always be a firefighter. The
reason he got hired is because, as dumb as he was, he called me, worked
with me, and then did everything I said. On that test I helped the sons
of three guys that worked at the same station together get hired. You
have never seen a happier group of guys, their sons had good jobs, and
they were finally moving out of the house.

While I have a great success rate helping people get hired, there are a
few that have troubles. Most have the same thing in common. They
consider themselves very intelligent and think they can wow the panel.
They take the simple, elegant script we have come up with and then turn
it into a Fabrishe Egg. I had one guy that went as far as to add the
rainfall total for his answer what do you know about this city.

I think the point I am trying to make here is that Capt Bob and myself
love talking to people and answering questions. We want to help people
have as enjoyable careers as we have had, but it just gets annoying to
have people call for advise and begin to second guess and debate. I do
have time to talk to whoever needs help, but I will never have time to
debate people who call me for help, life is just too short. Good Luck,
Capt Rob



Isn't that special? "Don't question me. I'm cap'n bobby, dammit"! Tell me if I am wrong about these two.

I hope, Junior, that by saying you won't beback here, you mean you won't be back on these forums. If that is what I have accomplished, it will be one of my finest moments.

[DeputyMarshal]

but you won’t see us back here.

Y'know George and I have had some serious differences of opinion here but if he's actually convinced you two to stay off of FH.com I'll treat him to his favorite frosty beverage any time...

Hell, somebody should give him a frackkin' medal! :cool:

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

Y'know George and I have had some serious differences of opinion here but if he's actually convinced you two to stay off of FH.com I'll treat him to his favorite frosty beverage any time...

Hell, somebody should give him a frackkin' medal! :cool:

We actually agree on a whole lot more than we disagree if you think about it.

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

Thurs., 1:33 PM. I see you lurking, bobbie.

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

Thurs., 1:33 PM. I see you lurking, bobbie.

Fri; 12:15 PM, lurking again there bobbie boy. You guys promised you were never coming back. What gives?