Californias Firefighters doing some positive PR...(picture)

[CALFFBOU]

Posted in today's Union Tribune in San Diego, CA. CAL FIRE is the largest all risk fire department on the West Coast.

http://sdunion.p2ionline.com/sdunion/data/images/1849615.jpg


Link- http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20080102/28.html

[upstater]

Time to take off one stacked tip...... :)

[firemonkey311]

That engine is going to need a new paint job. And the guy will need a clean pair of undies.

Bad a$$ pic though!!

[PureAdrenalin]

Wow...great pic...I bet he was wondering where the air support was..

[CALFFBOU]

Thats an old engine. But fire conditions change so fast, that FF probably wasnt ready for that.

But who else here has seen such a thing? Talk the talk?

[firemonkey311]

Thats an old engine. But fire conditions change so fast, that FF probably wasnt ready for that.

But who else here has seen such a thing? Talk the talk?

I will be honest. If i was that guy i would need a change of undies too. Thats alot of fire. Always wanted to get my red card though.

[FlyingKiwi]

Just a thought Bou.

Shouldn't the wet stuff be coming out of the pointy bit about now?

(nice PR though.)

[BKDRAFT]

Just a thought Bou.

Shouldn't the wet stuff be coming out of the pointy bit about now?

(nice PR though.)

The amount of water they have is to protect themselves, and structures. It wouldn't do any good anyways. They need air support.

[CALFFBOU]

Just a thought Bou.

Shouldn't the wet stuff be coming out of the pointy bit about now?

These conflagrations go on for days. Water is used when needed. You just dont blow 500 gallons right away. As stated, its for structure and personnel protection.

I have to laugh at the critics who have never been there, done that.

[LaFireEducator]

Title for that picture:

"Are you feeling a wee bit overwhelmed?"

[CALFFBOU]

Title for that picture:

"Are you feeling a wee bit overwhelmed?"

No, thats typical for these type of fires. Dont you East Coast guys watching anything esle other than Rescue Me? Check out the news once in awhile.

[Irish6019]

Yeah, just that we thought it might be a better idea not to build houses in places where, there are earthquakes, wildfires, and you can at least see down the block through the air.

[FlyingKiwi]

Mr Bou and Mr Backdraft.
My apologies to you both. Humour obviously wasn't needed in this thread and neither was the capacity to recognise it.

[ChicagoFF]

I have to laugh at the critics who have never been there, done that.
So, unless you have the exact same kind of experiences you are not allowed to comment? I personally don't comment about forest fires because they hold no interest for me, but I'm not allowed to? So you can't comment about tactics used in dense urban ghettos? Or highrises? Or any aspects of large fire departments? Lighten up already - humorless old woman...

[CALFFBOU]

The posting of this posting was not to rip or question the tactics. It was how a department is doing PR.

Thank you.

[PureAdrenalin]

The posting of this posting was not to rip or question the tactics. It was how a department is doing PR.

Thank you.

I don't think anyone is questioning tactics, or ripping on the picture. Just some light hearted banter...who peed in your cornflakes this morning?

[smketer]

Put the Hose Down, get a shovel and drip torch, veri pistol, goto the next road and burn.

Trick with Wildland is you cant take away Heat or 02 so take away fuel.

When in doubt..burnout!

[CALFFBOU]

...who peed in your cornflakes this morning?


No one did.

[jasper45]

The posting of this posting was not to rip or question the tactics. It was how a department is doing PR.

Thank you.


Perhaps you shouldn't have fired the first shot?


But who else here has seen such a thing? Talk the talk?


Ring any bells?

No, thats typical for these type of fires. Dont you East Coast guys watching anything esle other than Rescue Me? Check out the news once in awhile.

Or even the second shot?

[Bones42]

CALFFBOU, not wanting to start a pissing match, just giving you some feedback.

I showed that picture to a few people near me, of which none were fire fighters. Their comment, "now I know why CA fires are so big. That guy is wasting his time."

Yes, they aren't fire fighters and don't know anything about fighting a wildland fire. They are simply the public (which PR stuff is usually for) and are not seeing this as "good" PR. Just wanted to provide that feedback.

[BKDRAFT]

CALFFBOU, not wanting to start a pissing match, just giving you some feedback.

I showed that picture to a few people near me, of which none were fire fighters. Their comment, "now I know why CA fires are so big. That guy is wasting his time."

Yes, they aren't fire fighters and don't know anything about fighting a wildland fire. They are simply the public (which PR stuff is usually for) and are not seeing this as "good" PR. Just wanted to provide that feedback.

I would assume this PR is for those who have actually experienced, and live with these threats everyday. Most of the public specifically in the Southern California area understand how the fires are started (arsonists), why they get so big (Santa Ana winds, dry overgrown fuel), and "Why that guy" ISN'T "Wasting his time."

[BKDRAFT]

Mr Bou and Mr Backdraft.
My apologies to you both. Humour obviously wasn't needed in this thread and neither was the capacity to recognise it.

That's right no jokes around here! :p

[CALFFBOU]

Perhaps you shouldn't have fired the first shot?





Ring any bells?



Or even the second shot?

No shots fired, just responded too. Guess I am primed since if it doesnt say FDNY around here, its a target. Peace.

[CALFFBOU]

CALFFBOU, not wanting to start a pissing match, just giving you some feedback.

I showed that picture to a few people near me, of which none were fire fighters. Their comment, "now I know why CA fires are so big. That guy is wasting his time."

Yes, they aren't fire fighters and don't know anything about fighting a wildland fire. They are simply the public (which PR stuff is usually for) and are not seeing this as "good" PR. Just wanted to provide that feedback.

Please remember, a picture is just a fraction of a second in time. For all we know, that Firefighter was wrapping up his operation and the wind shifted on him. We may never know.

I think the picture just shows the intesity and typical of CA fire behavior.

[nyckftbl]

No shots fired, just responded too. Guess I am primed since if it doesnt say FDNY around here, its a target. Peace.

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l128/nyckftbl/untitled.jpg




Just a joke people. just a joke.

[AZFF25]

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l128/nyckftbl/untitled.jpg

Just a joke people. just a joke.



Hey....where'd you get that picture of C-Shift at??? ;)

[RFRDxplorer]

Posted in today's Union Tribune in San Diego, CA. CAL FIRE is the largest all risk fire department on the West Coast.

http://sdunion.p2ionline.com/sdunion/data/images/1849615.jpg


Link- http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20080102/28.html

Two words.........






SCREW THAT!



I have absolutely no desire to fight any wildland or forest fires. You guys can have em!

[BKDRAFT]

Just another part of the job out here. Maybe that's why we make over $100K? We're willing to do it all.:eek: :D

[skipatrol8]

If that was me...

[RFD1067]

The govenator is giving Cal fire a pat on the back and then he is going to turn around and try to overhaul PERS.

[RFRDxplorer]

Just another part of the job out here. Maybe that's why we make over $100K? We're willing to do it all.:eek: :D

Isn't the cost of living a tad bit more over there???

[localtrainer75]

Two words.........






SCREW THAT!



I have absolutely no desire to fight any wildland or forest fires. You guys can have em!


Go back to the explorer forum...Fire service is an all risk agency.

[smketer]

How does an explorer have 3100 posts?
Dont you have homework to do?
Or some Tonka toys to play with?


Wildland Fire is not that bad, really its kinda fun. You get paid to camping, and get to see some great parts of the USA.


And really that is a mock photo, WE ALL know CDF does not leave the pavement and really they kick back and watch the USFS do all the work.

[firemonkey311]

Brush fires are really not that bad. I enjoy them every once in a while.

[FireDawgEMT22]

Go back to the explorer forum...Fire service is an all risk agency.


This explorer knows very much what the fire service is about. Unfortunately his age is about the only thing preventing him from being a firefighter. He may not have the experience of years of life events, but he does have the knowledge and sound judgement that would make him a very valuable firefighter when his age hits the magic number.

I see nothing at all in his post that called for this negativity. He made a comment, that i actually have to agree with, no thanks wildland fires like that yall can keep em, I like my fires, but when you got that comin at ya with nothing but well more fuel infront of you...yeah time to start high tailin it. But I digress, why the negativity, just because he is an explorer? I would trust him to back me up more than some of the firefighters I have dealt with in life. Its a sad sad world when your enjoyment turns to picking on a 17 year old kid who has nothing but admiration for the whole fireservice, and anyone who wears the uniform. Maybe you should look at yourselves in the mirror when you feel the need to pick on a kid for making a simple joke, when the rest of the post is full of the same jokes.

[RFxplr326]

RFRD is among the most respected on these Forums. A senior in high school, he carries a 4.0 gpa with mostly all Honors AP classes. He has received confirmation letters from the Coast Guard Academy and West Point and is waiting on the Naval Academy last I heard from him... So he doesn't need to play with his Tonka trucks... His dad is a retired Lt. from the Bethesda Chevy Chase Rescue Squad in Maryland. Jake basically grew up at BCCRS.

[RFxplr326]

Oh yeah... And I forgot...

BCCRS runs 11,000 a year.
http://www.bccrs.org/

[CALFFBOU]

The govenator is giving Cal fire a pat on the back and then he is going to turn around and try to overhaul PERS.Been there, done that. He lost in 2005.

The special election cost the state over 60 million dollars. He wont make that mistake again.

[BKDRAFT]

And really that is a mock photo, WE ALL know CDF does not leave the pavement and really they kick back and watch the USFS do all the work.

Cal fire will run circles around the USFS any day of the week. :rolleyes:

[CALFFBOU]

Cal fire will run circles around the USFS any day of the week. :rolleyes:

We so do NOT want to have this conversation.

[ChicagoFF]

Go back to the explorer forum...Fire service is an all risk agency.Oooooooooo, internet tough guy. What do you train? How to be a Jagoff?

[ChicagoFF]

How does an explorer have 3100 posts?
Dont you have homework to do?
Or some Tonka toys to play with?


The same goes for you. Go back to running around in the sticks if all you want to do is be a douchebag.

[volfirie]

A nice PR shot.
A couple of light-hearted comments about the nice PR shot.
Some nasty comments about the light-hearted comment posters.
A larger number of comments advising those who are too ah, whatever, to really just calm down.

All's well that ends well.

[localtrainer75]

This explorer knows very much what the fire service is about. Unfortunately his age is about the only thing preventing him from being a firefighter. He may not have the experience of years of life events, but he does have the knowledge and sound judgement that would make him a very valuable firefighter when his age hits the magic number.

I see nothing at all in his post that called for this negativity. He made a comment, that i actually have to agree with, no thanks wildland fires like that yall can keep em, I like my fires, but when you got that comin at ya with nothing but well more fuel infront of you...yeah time to start high tailin it. But I digress, why the negativity, just because he is an explorer? I would trust him to back me up more than some of the firefighters I have dealt with in life. Its a sad sad world when your enjoyment turns to picking on a 17 year old kid who has nothing but admiration for the whole fireservice, and anyone who wears the uniform. Maybe you should look at yourselves in the mirror when you feel the need to pick on a kid for making a simple joke, when the rest of the post is full of the same jokes.

First of all, I raised five boys, and have two in the fire service, and their mom used to try to protect them as well.

Get used to it, thick skin and time is needed. The post does not attack his credibility, nor is it picking on him. He is an explorer, a young man (like all of us were at one time) interested in getting in the fire service.

[RFD1067]

Been there, done that. He lost in 2005.

The special election cost the state over 60 million dollars. He wont make that mistake again.


Yah, I know but do you really think he is done?? Pete Wilson is one of his advisors.

[Weruj1]

Wowee....................in before the lock. I am not sure what happened here, I know we cant all see each other on this thing but if you are makin a funnny could that be indicated ? Otherwise flush this ...........:confused:

[CALFFBOU]

Yah, I know but do you really think he is done?? Pete Wilson is one of his advisors.

In some ways I think he is done. But yes, he is still in the back room scheming.

[RFxplr326]

Go back to the explorer forum...Fire service is an all risk agency.

Good way to train... You're a real professional. You're pretty mature too, must I add.

[SPFDRum]

Go back to the explorer forum...Fire service is an all risk agency.

Get used to it, thick skin and time is needed. The post does not attack his credibility, nor is it picking on him.

Yeah, nothing but compliments here. Way to encourage the younger bunch, trainer...:rolleyes:
Reading rfrdxplorer posts compared to your 31 measly postings, I'd take the kid.

[localtrainer75]

Yeah, nothing but compliments here. Way to encourage the younger bunch, trainer...:rolleyes:
Reading rfrdxplorer posts compared to your 31 measly postings, I'd take the kid.

Actually, I had sent him a pm after my first posting. I raised five boys, all adults now, two in the fire service. I was hired in 1975, work in training now, so that explains the name. As for your comment, you are right, I only have 31 measly posts. Not too bad for 32 years of service. I'll never compare to your 1621 posts with 12 years service.

PS.....go with the kid....at least he can keep up with your pace.

[localtrainer75]

Oooooooooo, internet tough guy. What do you train? How to be a Jagoff?

Internet tough guy? not quite, I only have 32 posts, have to get over 2000 posts to be considered an internet tough guy....

[SPFDRum]

What does 30 plus years mean to me? Is that 30 years on a busy company or 30 years wasted on some slow ass medic company that has an engine to hold their turn out gear for the 24 hours they are on shift?
It's all relative-I'll take my 12 in a ghetto over 30 in a bedroom community any day.

[firemonkey311]

Internet tough guy? not quite, I only have 32 posts, have to get over 2000 posts to be considered an internet tough guy....

Internet tough guy?

[edge1317]

Heyyyy who took that picture of me?

[RFxplr326]

localtrainer75 with his new laptop.
<a href="http://s116.photobucket.com/albums/o3/RFxplr326/?action=view&current=tough.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o3/RFxplr326/tough.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

I think he's a <a href="http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o3/RFxplr326/Funny%20Pictures/depressed-browns-fan.jpg">Browns' fan</a>...
He's very <a href="http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o3/RFxplr326/Funny%20Pictures/Unique.jpg">unique</a> too.
In the words of KeepBack, he's another <a href="http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o3/RFxplr326/self.png">chool</a>.
Personally, I think he's a <a href="http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o3/RFxplr326/pen_mc.jpg">traumatized child</a> with no life.

<a href="http://s116.photobucket.com/albums/o3/RFxplr326/?action=view&current=Do-not-feed-the-troll.png" target="_blank"><img src="http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o3/RFxplr326/Do-not-feed-the-troll.png" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

[RFRDxplorer]

Ok guys........like trainer said. He sent me a PM this morning and I thought it was a good explanation.

He even made it public on this very thread.



No offense, but who is being the internet tough guys now?









But I will not take away from SPFD's argument about years of service vs. call volume and good calls. Not saying that trainer doesnt have the crust, he very well might be extremely crusty, I am just saying that I agreeing with the statement.

[RFxplr326]

No offense, but who is being the internet tough guys now?


Offense taken in a positive way. I like arguing.
60%, I'm right all the time.
That doesn't even make any sense.

[localtrainer75]

Ok guys........like trainer said. He sent me a PM this morning and I thought it was a good explanation.

He even made it public on this very thread.



No offense, but who is being the internet tough guys now?









But I will not take away from SPFD's argument about years of service vs. call volume and good calls. Not saying that trainer doesnt have the crust, he very well might be extremely crusty, I am just saying that I agreeing with the statement.


We all need a little thick skin, even SPFD....I knew mentioning his 12 years would get a rise....I think he might be a medic on one of their medic engines, I could be mistaken, but correct me if I am wrong?

Ok, truce from me...

[acado64]

Getting back to the issue of this thread, I like the picture and feel that it is excellent PR for Cal fire.

[skvfd5]

Nice pic. Finally an Engine gets the spot light and not the jumpers or hotshots:D

If that was me, I'd would not be worrying about air support but telling my partner to hurry up and take the picture so we can get the heck out of here.


Homey

[scrapper]

This thread is every firehouse.com forum thread rolled into one.

[frenchfireball]

Posted in today's Union Tribune in San Diego, CA. CAL FIRE is the largest all risk fire department on the West Coast.

http://sdunion.p2ionline.com/sdunion/data/images/1849615.jpg


Link- http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20080102/28.html

as far as i'm concerned,i like these pics,great.

[CALFFBOU]

This thread is every firehouse.com forum thread rolled into one.

LOL!!! How did we go from a picture in a San Diego newspaper to this?

[jakesdad]

LOL!!! How did we go from a picture in a San Diego newspaper to this?


Perhaps the thread turned when you said this:

CALFFBOU: No, thats typical for these type of fires. Dont you East Coast guys watching anything esle other than Rescue Me? Check out the news once in awhile.

[CALFFBOU]

Perhaps the thread turned when you said this:

CALFFBOU: No, thats typical for these type of fires. Dont you East Coast guys watching anything esle other than Rescue Me? Check out the news once in awhile.

Someone please photoshop a FDNY sticker on the side of the truck and everything will be ok. :)

Thank you.

[jasper45]

Someone please photoshop a FDNY sticker on the side of the truck and everything will be ok.



I went back and read the thread's first few posts. I think you need to grow some thicker skin out there, Bou. No one was dissing on CDF, or whatever department was in the picture. However, three out of the first ten posts were you, clearly taking aim at other people, for whatever reason.

What do you want?

What are you looking for?

What do you want said?

It's a great picture. I hope the PR works for the guys. I've never been on a wildfire, never been on a task force, or a flotilla, battle group, or whatever you guys call your stuff out there.
In fact, I have no desire to ever be on a wild fire, and I don't make 100k per year because my city is borderline broke, not because we don't do wildland work. I also never even heard of a red card before I started reading these forums.

You don't need to get all bent.

[iamacheetah]

I work for CAL FIRE as a seasonal just south of BOU. Being both a Schedule B (wildland) fire fighter for the state and a Schedule A (metropolitan) Reserve Firefighter for a local city agency, I have tasted both ends of the spectrum. They both have their positives and negatives like anything. I defanitely have seen more fires in a few summers of wildland than I have working on a type 1 in any buildings. But I have gained more practical street smarts from my brothers on the pavement pumper. That being said, I don't understand what in the hell the big deal is?
I am proud to work for CAL FIRE. It paid for the roof over my head growing up and it pays for the roof over my child's head now. I am also Very proud to say that I run a multitude of calls with a local agency whose wildland call volume is probably 01% of the total call volume(during fire season). I pay homage and respect to our brothers on the east coast who see more structure fires than I dream about and do it for pennies on the dollar of what they would see on the left coast; And cost of living doesn't factor in because the city of New York is one of the most expensive places to live in the country. East coast guys can correct me if Im wrong, but it seems that many FF's on the east coast have more than one job to support a family which is something that many of the overpaid city departments out here don't understand. So, Pay a little respect for the guys in FDNY who are on the job working their fingers to the bone for a little bit of money and a lot of pride.
FDNY beats Cal fire hands down in tradition (case in point: reason that FD comes before NY in FDNY is because the Fire Department was established before the city was incorporated), But I think that the level of pride soars in both departments.
I am envious of the men and women in New York who get to wear an FDNY patch, wear leather helmets, work on a ladder company and actually call them selves "truckies" because they do the work of a traditional ladder company.
From personal experience, I have had the ability to work under and train with some of the most dedicated and knowledgeable Wildland FF's I have known while with CAL FIRE. And I am proud to say that I have gotten into some hairy situations that involved a lot of fire and no compartment to put it in, always returning home safely.
It used to be that fire departments were private contractors hired by insurance companies, and when a house caught fire, two deparments would show up and brawl until on company emerged victorious enough to save what little the property owner had left just in time to sign it over to the aforementioned insurance company. Let the past be the past my friend. Leave the pissing matches for another profession BOU, we don't have to pump up our own ego's about OUR department, just about our profession;) It doesn't suit us. And it leaves us more energy to rib the local cops that we get to deal with. Get the chip off of your Shoulder BOU. CAL FIRE is an impressive agency as is FDNY, but even more impressive is taking a step back and looking at the big picture. We are part of a brotherhood that is steeped in tradition, discipline, honesty, respect and pride. I think that the f.o.o.l.s. have it right: FTM-PTB.
Im OUT!
David

[CALFFBOU]

jasper and cheetah- Hold on there cowboys. There is no chip on my shoulder, nor am I trying to stir the pot.

The picture is simply a PR deal and I posted. Some people took some cheap shots and thats why I said what I said.

I have thick skin, but for the FDNY remark-

1. You didnt get it.
2. Who is the pot now?

[volfirie]

A nice PR shot.
A couple of light-hearted comments about the nice PR shot.
Some nasty comments about the light-hearted comment posters.
A larger number of comments advising those who are too ah, whatever, to really just calm down.

All's well that ends well.

Well, I hoped it would calm down. Some hope. Bou, I didn't see anyone having a shot at CalFire, just some lighthearted comments. Please mate, try not to stress over that tower stuff, it's not doing you any good.

To those who made funny comments, and posted funny pictures, thanks. I like a laugh!

Today was a bad one herefor fire weather (hot, low humidity, windy, a lot of you know how it is) and tomorrow will be worse. Today I'm on Strike Team stand-by until midnight. Tomorrow I'm local for any structural incidents that might turn up - but we only get 300 jobs a year so I can hope for peace! I'm allowed to hope for a quiet day, I'm a vol remember!









PS. Did anyone notice my sneaky attempt to try to shift the thrust of this thread? Not a total change, just a slight shift...)

PPS. How do I put smileys here in the body?

[mitllesmertz1]

How does an explorer have 3100 posts?
Dont you have homework to do?
Or some Tonka toys to play with?


A senior in high school, he carries a 4.0 gpa with mostly all Honors AP classes. He has received confirmation letters from the Coast Guard Academy and West Point and is waiting on the Naval Academy last I heard from him...

I'm thinking this young man should be strongly encouraged to join the Fire Service after his military time.
With all the posts on these boards about the lack of qaulity candidates, the lack of a work ethic in the younger generation, why wouldn't we want someone like this working with us?

I'd be damn proud to have a son like this, from what he's done so far.

[DeputyMarshal]

Someone please photoshop a FDNY sticker on the side of the truck and everything will be ok. :)

Just contact they guy who photoshopped the original picture for the ad copy. He obviously does good work. ;)

[the1141man]

To those who made funny comments, and posted funny pictures, thanks. I like a laugh!

Today was a bad one herefor fire weather (hot, low humidity, windy, a lot of you know how it is) and tomorrow will be worse. Today I'm on Strike Team stand-by until midnight. Tomorrow I'm local for any structural incidents that might turn up - but we only get 300 jobs a year so I can hope for peace! I'm allowed to hope for a quiet day, I'm a vol remember!




PS. Did anyone notice my sneaky attempt to try to shift the thrust of this thread? Not a total change, just a slight shift...)

PPS. How do I put smileys here in the body?

PS--yep, this thread was almost every thread in FH.com rolled into one... but you just introduced the missing element: volunteer vs career. ;) :D

[slackjawedyokel]

Bou , I dont understand why you always try and make everything a East VS West thing. I fought my first wildfire in 1974 -I have fought fires from Oregon to Texas to Fla to the Boundary waters. Unless it is paved solid -- in the right conditions you can have a wildfire. I have seen "East coast crews" on a SOCAL fire seem bewildered at first by the terrain and tactics. But before the tour was up, they were meshing right in. On the flip side I have seen "West coast crews" shake their heads at a tractor plow direct attack in a pine plantation. Both times the crews come away with a little something that they can apply to their "home turf" I have noticed quite a few more drip torches being used out west , and hey --- thats a "Southern " thing.
And while the photo shop guy is in business --- how about you have him put some of those phoenix helmets on some FDNY guys, that way everybody will be happy.

[volfirie]

PS--yep, this thread was almost every thread in FH.com rolled into one... but you just introduced the missing element: volunteer vs career. ;) :D

Oh bugger! No, please, I didn't mean it I DIDN'T MEAN IT!!!

[CALFFBOU]

Ok- Everyone needs to please calm down.

I post this picture simple based on the fact we (or atleast I) dont see a lot of media ads for firefighting PR. Last time I saw one was about six years ago for Sacremento City Fire. To me, they are impress because the public doesnt always know what we do or what our job totally emcompasses.

Second- I dont know where the explorer vs paid vs seniorty vs raising 2 sons hi jack thread came from. Or why.

Last- It was and is not a West vs. East thing. I do have thick skin, trust me, I have some funny names other than "Bou" where I work. Anyways, it just cracks me up if a picture is posted and some are either ignorant of the operation invovled or just make stupid comments like- "The water comes out of the pointy end." Now, like I said, take the exact same photo and put FDNY o the side the truck and the same person wouldnt make such comments. Remember, FDNY does have BFTs (Brush Fire Trucks).

I am sorry, I just get a laugh out of it. Everyone please chill, go look at some online porn (ok just me then) and we'll all be ok.:)

[JayFireEater]

No, thats typical for these type of fires. Dont you East Coast guys watching anything esle other than Rescue Me? Check out the news once in awhile.

hahhaa....I fought a forest fire over east here once, and the fire was all the way to my knees!!! (oh and those nice convenient hose bags are apparently useless in my dept. b/c the captain dumped the hose out and then told me to drag it UP the hill from the pond. wow I still dont get it) ha I respect those guys, a red card would be cool, doing that for a summer or something.

[jakesdad]

CALFFBOU....when you mention the FDNY in your posts, it just comes across as envy.

Enjoy the job you have!

[CALFFBOU]

CALFFBOU....when you mention the FDNY in your posts, it just comes across as envy.

Enjoy the job you have!

JakesDad- Not true. Do you work there? If not, then you are proving my point. I have nothing against the FDNY. Between 9/11, Rescue Me and the bandwagoning at FH.com, I just try to liven it up in here with something other than FDNY 24/7.

Just like some of you folks like to flame California for no particular reason.

As for my job, I do love it. After 6+ years here and over 4400 posting, i would think it would be evident.

[the1141man]

Just like some of you folks like to flame California for no particular reason.


LOL I like to flame California for lots of particular reasons...few of them having to do with the fire service directly. ;)
I love CDF--great agency with a lot of great people. I'd even apply to work there myself, my only problem with CDF is the C part... ;)
Since I want to leave the C and go elsewhere in the US... well, that makes agency choices here a little narrower, eh? ;) :D

[jakesdad]

[QUOTE=CALFFBOU;905352]JakesDad- Not true. Do you work there? If not, then you are proving my point. I have nothing against the FDNY. Between 9/11, Rescue Me and the bandwagoning at FH.com, I just try to liven it up in here with something other than FDNY 24/7.


Are you kidding me? Please do not include the events of September 11th in a discussion about your perceived "bandwagoning".

It seems as though you are proving MY point.

[RFD1067]

CALFFBOU....when you mention the FDNY in your posts, it just comes across as envy.

Enjoy the job you have!

Are you f'n kidding me?? I don't see any envy in his posts. I believe he does enjoy his job, especially since it's much more multi- faceted compared to most fire agencies across the nation.

[RFD1067]

[QUOTE=CALFFBOU;905352]JakesDad- Not true. Do you work there? If not, then you are proving my point. I have nothing against the FDNY. Between 9/11, Rescue Me and the bandwagoning at FH.com, I just try to liven it up in here with something other than FDNY 24/7.


Are you kidding me? Please do not include the events of September 11th in a discussion about your perceived "bandwagoning".

It seems as though you are proving MY point.

All I have read is his respect for the FDNY. Get off of your high horse.

[WebFire]

PS--yep, this thread was almost every thread in FH.com rolled into one... but you just introduced the missing element: volunteer vs career. ;) :D

Would you use a smoothbore or fogtip on that fire? ;)

[ChicagoFF]

If anyone should photoshop anything it should be a black cab, one green light and Chicago Fire Department on the side. Then it would be about a real fire department! FDNY.... whatever..... :rolleyes: :p

[localtrainer75]

If anyone should photoshop anything it should be a black cab, one green light and Chicago Fire Department on the side. Then it would be about a real fire department! FDNY.... whatever..... :rolleyes: :p

Somehow, that color has snuck over here in certain parts of California....no green light

[jakesdad]

[QUOTE=jakesdad;905465]

All I have read is his respect for the FDNY. Get off of your high horse.



I never said that he disrespected anyone. I just dont understand what the FDNY has to do with a California PR photo or why they are even a part of the discussion.

So perhaps you should get off of yours or at least let him speak for himself.

[CaptainGonzo]

http://sdunion.p2ionline.com/sdunion/data/images/1849615.jpg

One thing for damn sure..

A certain "educator" from the area named after the King of France that Thomas Jefferson purchased in 1803 wouldn't be within 1000 miles of that fire!

[CALFFBOU]

[QUOTE=RFD1067;905678]



I never said that he disrespected anyone. I just dont understand what the FDNY has to do with a California PR photo or why they are even a part of the discussion.

So perhaps you should get off of yours or at least let him speak for himself.


jakesdad- I am guessing with just 12 postings youre kinda new here. There is a lot of FDNY worship here and that fine with me. With that in mind, we hear about them alot in here alot, over and over.

So when I posted the picture, some people joked, thats fine. Thats the fire service. The satire of it was that if the exact same incident when down with a FDNY BFT truck and personnel, no one would have make a joke. They would have praised! Woo-hoo, kick ass!

If you can stand outside of any situation and view it at different angles, maybe you can get a better understanding.

I gotta ask (again)- Do you for for the FDNY or a supporter?

Its all in fun, no need to get in a twist over.

[RFD1067]

[QUOTE=RFD1067;905678]



I never said that he disrespected anyone. I just dont understand what the FDNY has to do with a California PR photo or why they are even a part of the discussion.

So perhaps you should get off of yours or at least let him speak for himself.

Your referrence to bandwagoning and 9-11 is exactly how it sounds.
He has defended himself and yet you continue to attack his posts at every turn. So get off of your hi horse and then stop beating it to death.:rolleyes:

[the1141man]

Somehow, that color has snuck over here in certain parts of California....no green light

Of course not. GREEN lights only mean STOP in Louisiana. ;) :D

Would you use a smoothbore or fogtip on that fire?

Combo on wide-fog at 1.75"... you'd need the "hydraulic ventilation" effect to clear the smell out... ;) :D

[DeputyMarshal]

OT:

Of course not. GREEN lights only mean STOP in Louisiana. ;) :D

Ya know, it's about time we all give this one a rest instead of dropping it into just about every thread on the friggin' forum... Let go of it, okay? We all get it.

[LaFireEducator]

It's amazing how I seem to make it into threads I haven't even posted yet.

Could it be LaEducator Envy ???????

And you're right ... you CA guys can handle the "big boy wildfires" all by yourselves. I'm perfectly happy dealing with our "little boy wildfires".

The idea of spending a week or more on one fire just seems like way too much work.

[jasper45]

It's amazing how I seem to make it into threads I haven't even posted yet.


You mean posts other than on page 1?

Sorry, couldn't help myself.

[LaFireEducator]

Damn dementia.

[CaptainGonzo]

It's amazing how I seem to make it into threads I haven't even posted yet.

Could it be LaEducator Envy ???????




Pity is more like it. :p

[the1141man]

It's amazing how I seem to make it into threads I haven't even posted yet.

Could it be LaEducator Envy ???????
LMFAO Yeah, sure. That'd be like Austin Powers envying Fat Bastard. ;)


And you're right ... you CA guys can handle the "big boy wildfires" all by yourselves. I'm perfectly happy dealing with our "little boy wildfires".

The idea of spending a week or more on one fire just seems like way too much work.

LOL Yeah...any more than the couple hours it takes to "save" the foundation would be "way too much work," huh? ;) :D
"Ok boys, another slab saved! Good job, let's roll em up and get back to quarters!" ;)

[LCFD1L101]

Thats an old engine. But fire conditions change so fast, that FF probably wasnt ready for that.

But who else here has seen such a thing? Talk the talk?

no where else in the west, or for that manner anywhere, do fire conditions change. you actually could see such a thing in many places but they put the fire out. talk the talk?? you mean that you would listen? my time in Cal last october didn't pan out that way.

Sorry to offend others in cal fire. I did meet some really nice guys. but there were those that weren't so considerate.

[the1141man]

no where else in the west, or for that manner anywhere, do fire conditions change.

I would recommend clarifying that statement... or just not bothering to post here again, at least with the intent of being taken seriously.

[localtrainer75]

I would recommend clarifying that statement... or just not bothering to post here again, at least with the intent of being taken seriously.

http://flashovertv.firerescue1.com/Clip.aspx?key=1C05E2FFA45C0ABF

[the1141man]

http://flashovertv.firerescue1.com/Clip.aspx?key=1C05E2FFA45C0ABF

LMMFAO! That was great. Reminds me of an Engineer I know.... :D

[smketer]

no where else in the west, or for that manner anywhere, do fire conditions change. you actually could see such a thing in many places but they put the fire out. talk the talk?? you mean that you would listen? my time in Cal last october didn't pan out that way.

Sorry to offend others in cal fire. I did meet some really nice guys. but there were those that weren't so considerate.


As I said before, and will say it again. CDF (or wait cal fire they are being called this year) should stay in fire camp. keep the dust down on the roads, and make sure that they stay nice and warm with the double layering. And let the USFS put the fire out. Little water needed just shovel, pulaski, drip torch and air support and a few dozen good shot crews.

About the comment I made about playing with his tonka toys. Just a little fire house humor.


Rescue me should send some of the guys to cali this next year, that would be a funny thing to watch.

Stay low,
SMK

[RFD1067]

no where else in the west, or for that manner anywhere, do fire conditions change. you actually could see such a thing in many places but they put the fire out. talk the talk?? .
.

Pretty ignorant statement, but thats to be expected from someone that doesn't do anything full time. I have seen fire conditions change faster than you can get your lines deployed. You shouldn't talk the talk if you can't walk the walk.

[engineer2000]

As I said before, and will say it again. CDF (or wait cal fire they are being called this year) should stay in fire camp. keep the dust down on the roads, and make sure that they stay nice and warm with the double layering. And let the USFS put the fire out. Little water needed just shovel, pulaski, drip torch and air support and a few dozen good shot crews.

About the comment I made about playing with his tonka toys. Just a little fire house humor.


Rescue me should send some of the guys to cali this next year, that would be a funny thing to watch.

Stay low,
SMK

That's funny. Usually USFS lets a 100 acre fire turn into a 100,000 acreage fire before they know what's going on (you guys' call it prescribe burn).

From experience, Calfire puts it out and USFS can't decide what to do. Usually it's called the "CIRCUS IN TOWN"!!!!!!! lol........

[CALFFBOU]

As I said before, and will say it again. CDF (or wait cal fire they are being called this year) should stay in fire camp. keep the dust down on the roads, and make sure that they stay nice and warm with the double layering. And let the USFS put the fire out. Little water needed just shovel, pulaski, drip torch and air support and a few dozen good shot crews.

About the comment I made about playing with his tonka toys. Just a little fire house humor.


Rescue me should send some of the guys to cali this next year, that would be a funny thing to watch.

Stay low,
SMK

SMK- Are you up to speed on CAL FIRE? They are an all risk agency. From helicopter to Paramedic rescue. Answering over 300,000 call a year. They are a full service fire department.

Check out this older video, they are all over it doing more than just wildland firefighting. And CAL FIRE personnel are all IAFF members.

See it here- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz-usdRHZYc

[lutan1]

Wow...great pic...I bet he was wondering where the air support was..

I bet he was thinking more than that!!!!:eek:

[jakesdad]

[QUOTE=jakesdad;905875]


jakesdad- I am guessing with just 12 postings youre kinda new here. There is a lot of FDNY worship here and that fine with me. With that in mind, we hear about them alot in here alot, over and over.

So when I posted the picture, some people joked, thats fine. Thats the fire service. The satire of it was that if the exact same incident when down with a FDNY BFT truck and personnel, no one would have make a joke. They would have praised! Woo-hoo, kick ass!

If you can stand outside of any situation and view it at different angles, maybe you can get a better understanding.

I gotta ask (again)- Do you for for the FDNY or a supporter?

Its all in fun, no need to get in a twist over.

That is the second time during this discussion that you mentioned the number of posts (yours and mine) as if that somehow meant something.

The forums are alot like the firehouse kitchen. Just because you give your opinion constantly doesn't make you more qualified and it certainly doesn't mean that you are right. You should know that by know (after all... you DO post alot). :)

The "satire" of the situation doesnt bother me a bit. So.. if anyone is in a twist over this, perhaps it is you and your pal RFD.

[MIKEYLIKESIT]

This is some sad ****.

[LCFD1L101]

Pretty ignorant statement, but thats to be expected from someone that doesn't do anything full time. I have seen fire conditions change faster than you can get your lines deployed. You shouldn't talk the talk if you can't walk the walk.

I was simply pointing out that conditions can change anywhere. So RFD what do you do? Only fight structures everyday? Only fight wildland fires everyday? Maybe you only ride a bus everyday. Or maybe you like many poeple can do more than one thing at a time.

I to have seen fire conditions change faster than you can get your lines deployed. So what are you trying to say with talk the talk and walk the walk?? Are you saying that I can't?

[nyckftbl]

This is definitely the stupidest "my d*ck is bigger than yours" thread I have ever seen.

Wildland FFs are my heroes. They see rapidly changing fire conditions, and work for weeks at a time, and make more money than me. I guess I lose. :rolleyes:

P.S. This is also sarcasm. I am in no way bashing anyone from the great state of California. :p

[RFRDxplorer]

Oh YEAH!!!!!!!!!


Well.......................... .............................. .......my uncle could kick your Uncle's a$$!!!

[LCFD1L101]

I would recommend clarifying that statement... or just not bothering to post here again, at least with the intent of being taken seriously.

Clarifying, 1141 there is fire in everypart of the world and firefighters trained to fight it in their conditions. Cal Fire does alot of very impressive things. But that doesn't mean that the mexican and oregon borders stop all impressive fires or the tactics for fighting them. In my opinion more states should have agencys like Cal Fire so that more little fires stay that way. If our 6 surrounding districts worked that well together we would nearly never have a fire grow large.

Why though are there so many in fire that think that their agency is the only agency. So many critize others but are then offended when it goes the other way.

[CALFFBOU]

[QUOTE=CALFFBOU;905898]

That is the second time during this discussion that you mentioned the number of posts (yours and mine) as if that somehow meant something.

The forums are alot like the firehouse kitchen. Just because you give your opinion constantly doesn't make you more qualified and it certainly doesn't mean that you are right. You should know that by know (after all... you DO post alot). :)

The "satire" of the situation doesnt bother me a bit. So.. if anyone is in a twist over this, perhaps it is you and your pal RFD.


I think you might have the conversation wrong. I have asked you twice if you work for the FDNY or not.

I am not looking for a fight here. I just at the fact that people like to take a stab at California stuff, but put the same situation in a FDNY district, the claws retract. FDNY is great in my book, I just get a laugh out of the worshiping.

Get it? Understand? Ok, time for some online porn...Porn fixes everything.:)

[LCFD1L101]

[QUOTE=jakesdad;906782]


I think you might have the conversation wrong. I have asked you twice if you work for the FDNY or not.

I am not looking for a fight here. I just at the fact that people like to take a stab at California stuff, but put the same situation in a FDNy district, the claws retract.

Get it? Understand? Ok, time for some online porn...Porn fixes everything.:)

thank you Calffbou. this is my point exactly. everyone can stab at others but its a different story when its about YOUR agency.

[CALFFBOU]

[QUOTE=CALFFBOU;906811]

thank you Calffbou. this is my point exactly. everyone can stab at others but its a different story when its about YOUR agency.


Bro- That was not my point at all. I dont think you got it.

[LCFD1L101]

Calffbou are you trying to say, It you are from Cal Fire or FDNY you can bitch and critize all you want. While others need to respect you. If so OK but someone should have explained the rules. I can live by them if I know them.

Do you have a particular site in mind for me? I heard some scuttlebutt about scatlover but it was a little outa my league.

[CALFFBOU]

..............................

[the1141man]

That's funny. Usually USFS lets a 100 acre fire turn into a 100,000 acreage fire before they know what's going on (you guys' call it prescribe burn).

From experience, Calfire puts it out and USFS can't decide what to do. Usually it's called the "CIRCUS IN TOWN"!!!!!!! lol........

Wow--someone's got some bad information.
"Wildland Use Fires" are naturally-caused fires that occur in remote areas where the fire would be considered beneficial to the natural ecology. Let me highlight this for you, since you obviously don't get it:
Human-caused fires, and/or fires that endanger property or life are suppressed immediately and without "consideration".

Proven ecological and silvicultural fact that we're seeing the huge fires with such extreme behavior because of decades of "Suppress, suppress, suppress" methodology.
Fire was here long before our cities were... and it doesn't help that every upper-middle-class and upper-class idiot in California has to have a "summer home" in the mountains, compounding the Interface problems...

[Bones42]

Any positive PR that this thread started has quickly vanished.

[RFD1067]

I was simply pointing out that conditions can change anywhere. So RFD what do you do? Only fight structures everyday? Only fight wildland fires everyday? Maybe you only ride a bus everyday. Or maybe you like many poeple can do more than one thing at a time.

I to have seen fire conditions change faster than you can get your lines deployed. So what are you trying to say with talk the talk and walk the walk?? Are you saying that I can't?

Reread your statement. It sounds as though you are saying fire conditions DO NOT CHANGE and that Cal firefighters can't put the fires out.Thats how I interpreted it.
To answer your question, I am an Engineer a paid full time firefighter for 19 yrs and yes we fight more structures than wildland but over the last 19 yrs i have seen more than my share of wildland fires, in our city and on strike teams type 1 and type 3 strike teams. I haven't ridden a bus since Jr high.I leave the policing to the city cops.

[ATFDFF]

No, thats typical for these type of fires. Dont you East Coast guys watching anything esle other than Rescue Me? Check out the news once in awhile.

we do, but ther is no reason for 2 firefighters to be there, there is nothing they can do. and if they are just doing exposure protection, you need a hell of a lot more than that!

[smketer]

Clarifying, 1141 there is fire in everypart of the world and firefighters trained to fight it in their conditions. Cal Fire does alot of very impressive things. But that doesn't mean that the mexican and oregon borders stop all impressive fires or the tactics for fighting them. In my opinion more states should have agencys like Cal Fire so that more little fires stay that way. If our 6 surrounding districts worked that well together we would nearly never have a fire grow large.

Why though are there so many in fire that think that their agency is the only agency. So many critize others but are then offended when it goes the other way.

Cal fire just lets the fire run into mexico, and when the fires cross into Oregon lines..AKA more Timber then ODF kicks back and watches the USFS go to work. Most of the time fires turn into burns.

Really if you look at most of the fires we have had this year, how much burning did we do? LOTS!
Reason being is that is the only way we can burn and reduce fuels is to burn.

And your right cal fire does do impressive things, like put people up in hotels, and have good food in fire camp.

All in good fun as I have worked for both the USFS, and CDF.

SMK

[engineer2000]

Wow--someone's got some bad information.
"Wildland Use Fires" are naturally-caused fires that occur in remote areas where the fire would be considered beneficial to the natural ecology. Let me highlight this for you, since you obviously don't get it:
Human-caused fires, and/or fires that endanger property or life are suppressed immediately and without "consideration".

Proven ecological and silvicultural fact that we're seeing the huge fires with such extreme behavior because of decades of "Suppress, suppress, suppress" methodology.
Fire was here long before our cities were... and it doesn't help that every upper-middle-class and upper-class idiot in California has to have a "summer home" in the mountains, compounding the Interface problems...

I was being sarcastic w/ that line Junior.

[the1141man]

I was being sarcastic w/ that line Junior.

No, you were bein a disrespectful jerk... "Old Man".

[engineer2000]

No, you were bein a disrespectful jerk... "Old Man".

"Old Man"? not in age, but 15 years on the floor, perhaps.........

Being disrespectful? Just busting balls like the other guy for fun.

Jerk??? Yes, I am.

[rpferry]

Maybe you guys can argue over how to handle the fire that this crash and burn thread has turned into...

[Drama911dotcom]

I think I may have been on that fire. I was on duty when both recent So Cal fire storms took off. I was working in San Bernardino during the "Old Fire" in 2003 AND during the wildfires of 2007. Our department coined the phrase "anchor and hold" for urban conflagration fires.

[pescado29]

I see this picture as saying to the public "Join us and you too can stand there looking stupid!"

I would hazard a guess that the PR rep that thought this up has worked in the movie business where big and flashy is the norm. If that was me in that picture the only thing you would have seen is the tail end of the rig as I drive the h*ll away before I became a crispy critter.

I short, I think this image is completely wrong for the intended message. Other then that it is a wicked shot.

[ChicagoFF]

I see this picture as saying to the public "Join us and you too can stand there looking stupid!"

Why don't you post some pictures of your department working. :rolleyes:

[RFRDxplorer]

Why don't you post some pictures of your department working. :rolleyes:

ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!

[RFxplr326]

I got you covered bou!

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