Rant

[CaptainMikey]

I just read a few things that angered me.
Hillary Clinton wants to pass a bill that will bail out the homeowners that took part in HIGH RISK home loans. 1 out of 10 people defaulted on their high risk loan and the dem's want to bail them out. Slap in the face of everyone else, 9 out of 10 people who work their arses off to make their payments. Whats next the government bailing people out of credit card debt? My parents struggled to pay theirs off, but they worked their arses off and did it. The key to the entire store is that these loans were HIGH RISK and the people knew it. It just send the message to the public that oh, you cant pay, well we will pay for you.


Rant # 2. NYC public schools will soon have an Arabic school as one of their public schools? The so called principal has many ties to extremist groups and has no experience or training in running a school. A few weeks to go and the school doesnt have teachers or a certified curicula. That should be a private school and should not be paid for with Tax dollars.

Rant #3 Another bill in progress will tax peoiple with private health insurance to pay for government insurance programs. Im sory but i dont work my but off to get my insurance. Now i will have to pay more so the government can give it out? Another slap in the face of the working class.


It seems like the gap between the classes is getting bigger and bigger. The middle/working class is getting screwed at all levels.

Rant off

[SapphyreBlues]

Well I found out 2/3 of your problems you're ranting about...the 1st and 3rd are all about congress. Congress = gov't = politicians. But yeah, I can certainly understand your being miffed about this.

As for #2...I am having a hard time replying to this part without saying something to cause me to be being permanently banned. Let me give you something to think about though. Muslims don't like Jews or Christians. Yet more and more come to a country that is filled with both? Am I the ONLY ONE that sees something ain't right here???? If I'm allergic to chocolate, I'm not gonna work at the Hershey factory. If I despised a group of people, I'm certainly not gonna go live amongst them.

I think, and I hope and pray to God that I'm wrong, that we'll soon be sorry that our borders were left so open. Anybody remember 9/11? If you don't learn from history, you're doomed to repeat it :(

[ThNozzleman]

As for #2...I am having a hard time replying to this part without saying something to cause me to be being permanently banned. Let me give you something to think about though. Muslims don't like Jews or Christians. Yet more and more come to a country that is filled with both? Am I the ONLY ONE that sees something ain't right here???? If I'm allergic to chocolate, I'm not gonna work at the Hershey factory. If I despised a group of people, I'm certainly not gonna go live amongst them.

You need to grow up and get a damned clue, for one thing. Do you even know any Muslims? :rolleyes:

[voyager9]

Rant # 2. NYC public schools will soon have an Arabic school as one of their public schools? The so called principal has many ties to extremist groups and has no experience or training in running a school. A few weeks to go and the school doesnt have teachers or a certified curicula. That should be a private school and should not be paid for with Tax dollars.


We should ask the French, Dutch or the rest of Europe how well appeasement is working out for them.

[SapphyreBlues]

Let me clarify that...I'm NOT talking about all Muslims. I am talking about the ones like those who pulled 9/11. The comment about the borders being open, yeah, they need a better screening process. If that guy who's to be principal has known extremist ties, why did they let him in, or why aren't they deporting him? And if he's American, why aren't they getting him for treason? I know I generalized the Muslim population. No they aren't all like that. And some don't like Christians or Jews. But you just can't look at them and decide if they are extremists or not. Just need better background checks. I'm hoping the ones that are coming in aren't like the hijackers.

I hope that made sense....

[tomlaumann]

As for Hillary’s bailout of high risk loans, I can’t believe anyone of the Washington insiders voting yes for this.

Taxing the middle class is a fact of life here in the good old USA. How does it go, “son the only sure things in life is death and taxes”.

As for number two I really do not care who comes here as an immigrant. If they come here to add value to this great nation that’s great. If they come here to change our nation into some thing else…don’t bother even buying a ticket. Stay where you are and keep you’re ideas and you issues there too!!!

[GodSendRain]

You need to grow up and get a damned clue, for one thing. Do you even know any Muslims? :rolleyes:

Why don't you give us some clues? If you have anything to add, please do.

If the principal is known to be an extremist and has no experience (and this is all just a bull crap PR sensitivity stunt) then it isn't even worthy of considering opening this school. (Anyone who thinks we need ethnically specialized PUBLIC schools needs to take a trip in the time machine back to the 1960s).

Though, this news is rather old. It's probably been approved by now.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/04/nyregion/04school.html?ex=1335931200&en=4d1afaf855d3ca7b&ei=5124&partner=digg&exprod=digg

[ThNozzleman]

Why don't you give us some clues? If you have anything to add, please do.
Nah. Feel free to continue the hate.
I know I generalized the Muslim population.
Well, stop doing it, eh?

If only the Native Americans had had border control when the white man showed up, huh?

[GodSendRain]

Nah. Feel free to continue the hate.

Well, stop doing it, eh?

If only the Native Americans had had border control when the white man showed up, huh?

Yeah, keep beating me with the hate stick. I hate people so badly that I'd rather have a non-biased public education system that focuses purely on the basics that all kids need in order to have a shot at a successful life.

This has nothing to do with border control. I don't lose sleep over the Native Americans (despite being in the bloodline), and you're full of s}{it if you say you do. I hope you kept the receipt on those fake tears.

It's this: the principal has no training or experience, and there are no teachers or curriculum, and this school opens in a few weeks - those sound like valid reasons to shut it down before it even opens.

[ThNozzleman]

It's this: the principal has no training or experience, and there are no teachers or curriculum, and this school opens in a few weeks - those sound like valid reasons to shut it down before it even opens.
My comments were addressing her generalization of Muslims, based on the actions of a relatively few.
Yeah, keep beating me with the hate stick. I hate people so badly that I'd rather have a non-biased public education system that focuses purely on the basics that all kids need in order to have a shot at a successful life.
Never said you didn't.
This has nothing to do with border control. I don't lose sleep over the Native Americans (despite being in the bloodline), and you're full of s}{it if you say you do. I hope you kept the receipt on those fake tears.
Just a little perspective, that's all. And the suffering they endured is not lost on me, nor is the irony between the two situations. If it doesn't bother you, then by all means, don't let it. I mean, it's not like it means anything, right? :rolleyes:

[SapphyreBlues]

You took that way out of context. When I posted my first post, it sounded like I was saying that about all of them. That's why, in my second post I said,"I know I generalized the Muslim population." And immediately following that I said, "No they aren't all like that." Not to mention the very first sentence of my second post was, "Let me clarify that...I'm NOT talking about all Muslims." Yes, generalizations are bad. Why do you think I took the time to clear up what I said?

As for border control, and better screening - I don't care if you're Muslim. I don't care if you're even Swedish. If you are a shady character, you have no business here. Are all muslims and Swedes shady? No. If your background is questionable, they shouldn't just let you in, then keep an eye on you. You don't need to be here. Period.

[DaSharkie]

Nozz continuously takes things out of context. He is an intelligent person and knows exactly what the poster means - but frequently runs off the deep end with anything he can.

He will eventually call you a racist - like he has called me one - without having any substantiation for doing so. Nor will he post any record of you making racist posts or past racial intents. It is strictly because you disagree with him.

He rails against anyone with a religious belief, yet here he wants those with a particular religious belief to have their own publicly funded school apparently. One must just love the hypocracy of ideology.



As for Hillary Clinton's plan.....I would expect nothing less from a person in the "progressive" crowd. You made a bad financial decision? That is OK, we will pay for your mistake and inability to pay your bills.

Perhaps the Senator would like to pay off my $94,000 in student loans. I mean I should have known better than to take on debt right?

No different than the chronic underfunding of our nation's federal highways that were called for this week to have tax increases to pay for it (a vital national need mind you) but not a mention of cutting spending on the pork that these same twits fork out every year.

[ThNozzleman]

Nozz continuously takes things out of context. He is an intelligent person and knows exactly what the poster means - but frequently runs off the deep end with anything he can.

Bull****. I took what she meant to be exactly what she posted. She only offered the correction after I called her out on it. Nice try, though.
He will eventually call you a racist - like he has called me one - without having any substantiation for doing so. Nor will he post any record of you making racist posts or past racial intents. It is strictly because you disagree with him.
You keep bringing this up, yet you don't mention the particular instance when I ask you to do so. I have offered my apologies more than once if I was in error and to let it go. Yet, you keep playing games with it. You decide now how you want to handle it. Bring it up again, and you'll be on my ignore list from now on. Is that clear?
He rails against anyone with a religious belief, yet here he wants those with a particular religious belief to have their own publicly funded school apparently. One must just love the hypocracy of ideology.

Ah, Sharkie's favortie tactic. He knows full well I despise religious nonsense in any shape or form. My issue was with her generalization of an entire group of people, something that happens all too much in rightwing hate radio these days.
As for Hillary Clinton's plan.....I would expect nothing less from a person in the "progressive" crowd. You made a bad financial decision? That is OK, we will pay for your mistake and inability to pay your bills.

Predatory lending practices are reknown these days. People are losing their homes and livlihoods, based on some obscure legalese buried in the details no Joe Public could ever understand. Many lenders are taking advantage of people and it's time it stopped.

[ThNozzleman]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/07/AR2007080700003.html
Damn! A whole billion dollars?? We could extend the occupation of Iraq for another week or two with that kind of money! What is she thinking??:rolleyes:

[hwoods]

Predatory lending practices are reknown these days. People are losing their homes and livlihoods, based on some obscure legalese buried in the details no Joe Public could ever understand. Many lenders are taking advantage of people and it's time it stopped.


This comment should be Printed and prominetly Posted in every Lending Institution, of any kind, in the U.S.

Also, There were two cases here in my area over the past three years where a senior citizen, living alone, lost their home to a tax sale. In both cases, the persons ability to comprehend the seriousness of their failure to pay a small municipal tax bill APPEARED to be compromised by medical problems associated with the onset of Dementia. In both cases, there was no family in the area, and no one to look out for them until it was too late. But the Biggest outrage was that the guy who bought the properties (Yeah, same sleazebag in both cases) flat refused to work with anyone in settling the matter. :mad:

[SapphyreBlues]

Bull****. I took what she meant to be exactly what she posted. She only offered the correction after I called her out on it. Nice try, though.



Did I catch what I said after I posted - even without you calling me on it? Yes. But I have a life outside of this board, and excuse me if I don't get right on it :rolleyes:

"Yeah sure grandma I'll be in there to re-bandage your foot wound in a minute... but right now if I don't get this reposted and cleared up, the sun will quit burning, the world will quit turning, and God help us all the dog will bite the mailman!" :eek: :D :D

[SapphyreBlues]

This comment should be Printed and prominetly Posted in every Lending Institution, of any kind, in the U.S.

Also, There were two cases here in my area over the past three years where a senior citizen, living alone, lost their home to a tax sale. In both cases, the persons ability to comprehend the seriousness of their failure to pay a small municipal tax bill APPEARED to be compromised by medical problems associated with the onset of Dementia. In both cases, there was no family in the area, and no one to look out for them until it was too late. But the Biggest outrage was that the guy who bought the properties (Yeah, same sleazebag in both cases) flat refused to work with anyone in settling the matter. :mad:

Well now that is just wrong right there. It's actually worse than wrong. That's cruelty to the elderly. There is no compassion anymore for old folks :(

Did it sound kinda funny to you that the same guy bought both houses? I should hope he didn't know about their conditions before the tax sale. If he did...well what comes around goes around.

[KnightnPBIArmor]

My comments were addressing her generalization of Muslims, based on the actions of a relatively few.



You mean like your frequent generalization of conservative, right-wing Republicans ( which I consider myself) based on the actions of a relative few?

[DaSharkie]

Bull****. I took what she meant to be exactly what she posted. She only offered the correction after I called her out on it. Nice try, though.

Not a try, you have a history of doing so frequently. You do it to me all the time.

You keep bringing this up, yet you don't mention the particular instance when I ask you to do so. I have offered my apologies more than once if I was in error and to let it go. Yet, you keep playing games with it. You decide now how you want to handle it. Bring it up again, and you'll be on my ignore list from now on. Is that clear?

So freaking ignore me. Be childish, I don't care. I have more important things to worry about than whether you like me or not, or listen to what I have to say. I don't recall ever reading your apology, but I will take it as it is now. However, you have referred to many here as racists for their beliefs about illiegal immigration without substantiation. You will likely continue to do so and I will call you on it.

Ah, Sharkie's favortie tactic. He knows full well I despise religious nonsense in any shape or form. My issue was with her generalization of an entire group of people, something that happens all too much in rightwing hate radio these days.

Yet you make generalizations about the Right all the time. You lump myself and many others here into a category that you know is not accurately depicting of them. Simply because we espouse different views than yours.

And I hear the same generalizations about the Right coming from Democrats, Liberals, and Progressives (whatever the hell they want to be called this year) but you have yet to take them to task for it.

You appear to justify the need for this school and defend its existence yet do nothing of the sort for any other use of the "precious" public monies for our failing public school system. Why is one religious school different than any other?

Predatory lending practices are reknown these days. People are losing their homes and livlihoods, based on some obscure legalese buried in the details no Joe Public could ever understand. Many lenders are taking advantage of people and it's time it stopped.

I know all about predatory lending practices. To a point there may need to be government oversight. But to pay off someone's house loan? Come freaking on. That is asinine. What is next, high-interest car loans? Pay-Day loans? Where are you going to stop spending the money Nozz?

The bank directors ought to be locked up and jailed for their criminal actions. But for the federal government to use tax dollars to pay off the loans of privat citizens is ludicrous.

[DaSharkie]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/07/AR2007080700003.html
Damn! A whole billion dollars?? We could extend the occupation of Iraq for another week or two with that kind of money! What is she thinking??:rolleyes:

I could not care less about the cost. Where will it end Nozz? What is next?

We going to bail out credit card debt? Car loans? It's only a few billion dollars. I mean what the hell, right? You can pay off other people's debt. I choose not to.

[ThNozzleman]

So freaking ignore me. Be childish, I don't care. I have more important things to worry about than whether you like me or not, or listen to what I have to say. I don't recall ever reading your apology, but I will take it as it is now. However, you have referred to many here as racists for their beliefs about illiegal immigration without substantiation. You will likely continue to do so and I will call you on it.

The majority of the anti-immigration right is racist. I don't need "substantiation" to call it like it is. I hear it every day.
Yet you make generalizations about the Right all the time. You lump myself and many others here into a category that you know is not accurately depicting of them. Simply because we espouse different views than yours.

I make no generalizations when I contradict what I view as racist comments, regardless of who writes or says them. The right wing is reknown for its racist activity.
You appear to justify the need for this school and defend its existence yet do nothing of the sort for any other use of the "precious" public monies for our failing public school system. Why is one religious school different than any other?
You are a liar. I haven't written the first word in defense of this school. I addressed the comments made by a single member on this particular thread in which she generalized every Muslim as not liking Jews or Christians. Stop with your nonsense.
The rest of your statement concerning predatory lending and the program to protect people from it is the usual misleading, mealy-mouthed crap I expected out of you. I hope that one day when you're on the verge of losing your health and everything you own, you'll remember your sorry attitude as the creditors kick you and your family to the curb. Of course, that will never happen to you, will it? You're much too smart for that, aren't you? :rolleyes:
I'm through with your crap. Don't bother responding...I won't read it.

[GodSendRain]

The majority of the anti-immigration right is racist.



Have you seen that kettle, Mr. Pot?

[HotTrotter]

The majority of the anti-immigration right is racist. I don't need "substantiation" to call it like it is. I hear it every day.

Where is this anti-immigration group? What I see is a majority of Americans who are against ILLEGAL immigrants. There is a huge difference there. And just to set the record stratight, the illegals come here from every country, not just Mexico.

As for Billary and hey whacked out ideas, god help us if she gets elected. Of course she tried and failedon a National health care plan once already, probably becuase the American public as a whole doesn't want anymore governement give aways. Her plan to help those with bad mortgages is just plain terrible. Perhaps if the government would leave a little more cash in our pockets we could pay those loans.

[CaptainMikey]

i didnt expect this thread to go south so quickly

[Bones42]

Did it sound kinda funny to you that the same guy bought both houses? I should hope he didn't know about their conditions before the tax sale. If he did...well what comes around goes around. They are advertised in newspapers all the time for a minimum of 3 weeks in advance. Smart investors know it's a good way to get property cheaper. Nothing funny, nothing shady, just some simple research. And many times, you can contact the owner directly, before the sale, and make them an offer. Sometimes they accept that before going to sale.

It's a real shame that family will lose touch with their own relatives and allow this to happen.

[SapphyreBlues]

Where is this anti-immigration group? What I see is a majority of Americans who are against ILLEGAL immigrants. There is a huge difference there. And just to set the record stratight, the illegals come here from every country, not just Mexico.



I am against illegal immigrants, from any country. To clarify before the crucify...I am not against the people themselves. Just their illegal status. It makes those that come here legally look bad, when they've done nothing wrong. I have nothing against foreigners. For the most part, my family are foreigners, having been boat people from long years back. So no, I'm not racist. But I am a law abiding citizen and those that come here should be the same. Am I saying they are bad people? No. I am sure the vast majority are decent, hard working people like everybody else (that is one at least). But they need to go through the process legally. If you come over here, get a job and support yourself/your kids, I have no problem. I do have a problem with them coming over here getting on the gov't gravy train that is welfare.

[SapphyreBlues]

i didnt expect this thread to go south so quickly

Not your fault :)

[SapphyreBlues]

They are advertised in newspapers all the time for a minimum of 3 weeks in advance. Smart investors know it's a good way to get property cheaper. Nothing funny, nothing shady, just some simple research. And many times, you can contact the owner directly, before the sale, and make them an offer. Sometimes they accept that before going to sale.

It's a real shame that family will lose touch with their own relatives and allow this to happen.

I see tax sales in the paper every so often. And there are usually loads of them :( Still, it's bad when it's older folks. Especially those with deteriorating minds. And I completely agree. It's a shame how families can become so distant. A lot of friends will come and go but you have family forever :(

[DaSharkie]

The majority of the anti-immigration right is racist. I don't need "substantiation" to call it like it is. I hear it every day.

So you can make your generalizations but other cannot. More continued hypocracy. You are so high and mighty that you do not need substantiation but always require it of others. Amazing isn't it? Oh that's right, you won't answer.

I make no generalizations when I contradict what I view as racist comments, regardless of who writes or says them. The right wing is reknown for its racist activity.

Evidence? I know racist Liberals as well. So your point is what exactly? Oh that's right you won't answer.

You are a liar. I haven't written the first word in defense of this school. I addressed the comments made by a single member on this particular thread in which she generalized every Muslim as not liking Jews or Christians. Stop with your nonsense.

A large number wish for the end of Israel and the West. I am not a liar, I typed incorrectly. My apologies. However you did not state your support for or against the school. I doubt that you will.

The rest of your statement concerning predatory lending and the program to protect people from it is the usual misleading, mealy-mouthed crap I expected out of you.

Why because it differs from you and your views that the government is a big, fat sow with a tit for everyone in this country to come on up and suck the life out of? Sorry bucko, I don't see my tax dollars as wisely spent for this or about 90% of what the government doles out money for. But again, I am just some poor sap who wants to care for myself and my family. I do not want the government to do it for me. Yet you and many on the Left side of the scale have never met a government spending program that you did not like it seems. Just keep raising taxes to pay for it. Where would you stop? Oh yeah, you won't be replying to this.

And if my statement is just the usual misleading, mealy-mouthed crap expected of me, why do you not challenge it or show me how it is wrong and why federal, state, county, or local tax dollars should be spent on it?

A better way would be to prosecute the banks doing so (you know, that novel and ancient concept of punishing the perpetrators of the crime - what a SHOCKER!) and ensure that they are financially taking care of these people instead of the everyman trying to just scrape by.

I hope that one day when you're on the verge of losing your health and everything you own, you'll remember your sorry attitude as the creditors kick you and your family to the curb. Of course, that will never happen to you, will it? You're much too smart for that, aren't you? :rolleyes:

I never said I was too smart for that. I have made these mistakes before. I have seen friends be pounced upon over this and nearly (thankfully they did not) lose their house over it.

Amazing that a liberal, progressive, supposedly "open minded" person wishes another ill. I seem to recall you chastising several others on these boards for doing just the same. I love your hypocracy Nozz. Yet you will likely say that you did not just wish me ill.

Of course, since I truly and honestly do have a terminal disease for which there is no cure, I am already ill. I am responsible for providing for myself and my family as best as possible while my health holds up so that we can prepare for those times when it will not. Likely to not be all that far off in the future. Beware how you speak Robert. You know nothing of me, my experiences, where my viewpoints come from, or why I feel the way I do about anything. Do I look for sympathy? No. Do I want it? No. Do I want the government to treat me? No. It is my responsibility to do so, and that of my family. NOT YOURS! I just want to live what is left of my life and try to enjoy what I have.

Don't worry though Nozz, you won't have to pay to keep me alive. I already have my DNR order signed and my wife knows my wishes. So you won't have to worry about someone with a differing opinon from you staying alive any longer than necessary. Not that you wish me ill or anything right?

I'm through with your crap. Don't bother responding...I won't read it.

Very open-minded Nozz. You are amazing. You post all of your diatribes here, get asked innumerable times to substantiate and offer evidence supporting your reasoning and never do. Yet when I or many others do this you dismiss us outright as members of the right (and therefore racist - by proxy I guess?) as kooks, whackjobs, incapable of caring for our fellow human beings. While the almighty Socialist Left (of course you have denied being a Socialist in the past) is the great cure for everything.

Choose not to read it, I don't care. You are all for the free exchange of opinions so long as they are in lock-step with your own. I expect nothing but your lack of understanding for differing views and belittling or dismissing those who hold them.