Just what we need...

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

This is just what we need-another great military tactician as President.

From Drudge, quoting Barack Obama:

Obama said Thursday he would not use nuclear weapons 'in any circumstance'... 'I think it would be a profound mistake for us to use nuclear weapons in any circumstance,' Obama said, with a pause, 'involving civilians' Then he quickly added, 'Let me scratch that'...

Great.

[quint1officer]

So much for a strong national defense. :rolleyes:

[BFDNJFF]

So much for a strong national defense. :rolleyes:



Maybe they will wanna poll the public first LOL ;)

[quint1officer]

So is he saying he won't use any nukes, or just no nukes against civilians? Did he vote for this before he voted against it? Thats a terrible quote for a presidential candidate.

[EFD840]

Obama's killing himself with his recent foreign policy statements.

The one about Pakistan is my absolute favorite. They're a member of the nuke club that's always staggeringly close to militant islamic rule.

Conducting a military operation inside their borders without their consent would create a nuclear Bin Laden overnight.

[MalahatTwo7]

Ya well, no one ever said you had to be S-M-R-T to be a politician. In fact I think that would be considered a deficit if a politician did have S-M-R-Ts. :p ;)

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

Obama's killing himself with his recent foreign policy statements.

The one about Pakistan is my absolute favorite. They're a member of the nuke club that's always staggeringly close to militant islamic rule.

Conducting a military operation inside their borders without their consent would create a nuclear Bin Laden overnight.

I think that what he is showing is how woefully ill-equipped he is right now to be Pres. He may be a viable candidate with about 8 more years of congressional experience. But right now, he is making an idiot out of himself.

This comment will be taken out of context, but I don't care. If he was white, he wouldn't even be considered a marginal candidate.

[scfire86]

I think that what he is showing is how woefully ill-equipped he is right now to be Pres. He may be a viable candidate with about 8 more years of congressional experience. But right now, he is making an idiot out of himself.

As opposed to Bush whose proved he's an idiot while President making a disaster of just about everything he's touched. One of the many campaign promises made was that his administration wouldn't be involved in nation building. I doubt anyone (except Norm) seriously expects a president to remain absolutely unwilling to change their positions once they are in office. Heck Bush promised to have an administration that was open and honest. Now they claim "executive privilege" at the drop of a hat. The VP has stated that he is not part of the Executive Branch of govt.

Give it a rest Norm. You're trying to create an issue that isn't there.

[hwoods]

As opposed to Bush whose proved he's an idiot while President making a disaster of just about everything he's touched. One of the many campaign promises made was that his administration wouldn't be involved in nation building. I doubt anyone (except Norm) seriously expects a president to remain absolutely unwilling to change their positions once they are in office. Heck Bush promised to have an administration that was open and honest. Now they claim "executive privilege" at the drop of a hat. The VP has stated that he is not part of the Executive Branch of govt.

Give it a rest Norm. You're trying to create an issue that isn't there.

It took you 39 minutes to come up with that response??.......... wow.:eek:

[scfire86]

It took you 39 minutes to come up with that response??.......... wow.:eek:
My first response was different. I changed it after getting back from the beach half hour later. I hope I didn't alter your perception of a proper timeline for a response.

[HotTrotter]

As opposed to Bush whose proved he's an idiot while President making a disaster of just about everything he's touched. One of the many campaign promises made was that his administration wouldn't be involved in nation building. I doubt anyone (except Norm) seriously expects a president to remain absolutely unwilling to change their positions once they are in office. Heck Bush promised to have an administration that was open and honest. Now they claim "executive privilege" at the drop of a hat. The VP has stated that he is not part of the Executive Branch of govt.

Give it a rest Norm. You're trying to create an issue that isn't there.

Can't say that about the previous President can we, the only thing he touched was young interns. :D :D :D

[BFDNJFF]

Can't say that about the previous President can we, the only thing he touched was young interns. :D :D :D


Being the president you would of thought he would have slept with a good looking one ! :D

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

This is not about Bush and it is not about Clinton. If any of you had bothered to read my first post...

This is just what we need-another great military tactician as President.

Note the word "another". Clinton was an idiot. Bush is proving that he is incapable of running a war we would win. My point is that another bungling fool in the White House is the last thing we need.

[scfire86]

Can't say that about the previous President can we, the only thing he touched was young interns. :D :D :D
So sad. All you have is anecdote that has nothing to do with one's ability to govern. Clinton accomplished more in his sleep or chasing interns (even though Monica made it clear she pursued him) than Bush could do with great effort.

[Dave1983]

Can't say that about the previous President can we, the only thing he touched was young interns. :D :D :D


Sleeping with an intern, nukeing civilians. Hmmm, must be me, but Im just not seeing the connection.

But then thats the prototypical right wing response to all of "Ws" issues, bring up Slick Willy. :rolleyes:

Comical really. No wonder I dont support either party..

[ThNozzleman]

Even Monica wouldn't have Bush. :rolleyes:

[HotTrotter]

Sleeping with an intern, nukeing civilians. Hmmm, must be me, but Im just not seeing the connection.

But then thats the prototypical right wing response to all of "Ws" issues, bring up Slick Willy. :rolleyes:

Comical really. No wonder I dont support either party..

LMAO!! Clinton slept with interns and bombed Yugoslavia. I'm not sure I see the connection either.

[HotTrotter]

So sad. All you have is anecdote that has nothing to do with one's ability to govern. Clinton accomplished more in his sleep or chasing interns (even though Monica made it clear she pursued him) than Bush could do with great effort.

Clinton did nothing, he rode the wave (and the interns)

[HotTrotter]

This is not about Bush and it is not about Clinton. If any of you had bothered to read my first post...



Note the word "another". Clinton was an idiot. Bush is proving that he is incapable of running a war we would win. My point is that another bungling fool in the White House is the last thing we need.

The better question, is he for nukes or against nukes. Looks like another John Kerry in the making

[scfire86]

Clinton did nothing, he rode the wave (and the interns)
What wave? Your inability to make a point has become legendary.

[hwoods]

The better question, is he for nukes or against nukes.

I dunno, what day is it?.... :D :D :D

[scfire86]

I dunno, what day is it?.... :D :D :D
A valid question. If it were me I would be against nukes unless someone sent a nuke our way. Then I would be for them.

Just a disclaimer. I also think Obama isn't ready for prime time.

[BFDNJFF]

A valid question. If it were me I would be against nukes unless someone sent a nuke our way. Then I would be for them.

Just a disclaimer. I also think Obama isn't ready for prime time.


He may be in a few years. I just think the big dogs would eat him up unless he had more experience.

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

This is one of the major mistakes that Republicans and conservatives continue to make. I hate Bill and Hillary. But that was damn near sever years ago. What is going on now is owned by the Republicans and the President. Why? Because they had their opportunity to entrench themselves for the long term and they squandered it. In the Gingrich mid-term victories, they laid the foundation for decades of Republican majority by promising simple conservative values. Then, they came out of the box and kept their promises. Fast forward to 2000. They had control of the whole magilla. What did they do? They abandoned every single value that got them there in the first place. They constantly compromise their core values. They did zero to reduce the size of government and cut spending. Zero. They did zero to increase the confidence that voters had in them.

This had nothing to do with 9/11. It had nothing to do with Iraq. It had nothing to do with Katrina. It had everything to do with being power hungry and doing things to keep themselves in power and abandoning their core values. The very core values that got them in their positions to begin with.

If you are a conservative and you are still harping on "Well. Clinton did the same thing" you are an idiot. Educate yourself. Find out what your own party has done to abandon you and then start talking about how to revive the Republican party. Conservatism worked before and it can work again. However, it will take conviciton and guts. Something that is lacking in virtually every Republican national office holder.

I will not vote again for an incumbent, I don't care who it is.

Stop with the Clinton BS, you all sound like fools.

[scfire86]

Stop with the Clinton BS, you all sound like fools.
Wow. In a rare moment of truthfulness, Norm hits the nail on the proverbial head.

[ThNozzleman]

Just a disclaimer. I also think Obama isn't ready for prime time.
Maybe that's what we need. The usual lot of "prime time" players haven't really been doing that well, have they? If Hillary is elected, that will make at least 24 years of our nation being led by the same two families. Why don't we just go back to having royalty, for Pete's sake?? :rolleyes:

[Ltmdepas3280]

Maybe that's what we need. The usual lot of "prime time" players haven't really been doing that well, have they? If Hillary is elected, that will make at least 24 years of our nation being led by the same two families. Why don't we just go back to having royalty, for Pete's sake?? :rolleyes:


Interesting point.....things that make you go Hmmmm.....:cool:

[scfire86]

Maybe that's what we need. The usual lot of "prime time" players haven't really been doing that well, have they? If Hillary is elected, that will make at least 24 years of our nation being led by the same two families. Why don't we just go back to having royalty, for Pete's sake?? :rolleyes:
That was exactly how Shrub sold himself. He barely gets elected and then hires all his dad's cronies.

It worked out so well, I am a little leery when someone tells me they are not part of the DC establishment.

[EFD840]

This is one of the major mistakes that Republicans and conservatives continue to make. I hate Bill and Hillary. But that was damn near sever years ago. What is going on now is owned by the Republicans and the President. Why? Because they had their opportunity to entrench themselves for the long term and they squandered it. In the Gingrich mid-term victories, they laid the foundation for decades of Republican majority by promising simple conservative values. Then, they came out of the box and kept their promises. Fast forward to 2000. They had control of the whole magilla. What did they do? They abandoned every single value that got them there in the first place. They constantly compromise their core values. They did zero to reduce the size of government and cut spending. Zero. They did zero to increase the confidence that voters had in them.

This had nothing to do with 9/11. It had nothing to do with Iraq. It had nothing to do with Katrina. It had everything to do with being power hungry and doing things to keep themselves in power and abandoning their core values. The very core values that got them in their positions to begin with.

If you are a conservative and you are still harping on "Well. Clinton did the same thing" you are an idiot. Educate yourself. Find out what your own party has done to abandon you and then start talking about how to revive the Republican party. Conservatism worked before and it can work again. However, it will take conviciton and guts. Something that is lacking in virtually every Republican national office holder.

I will not vote again for an incumbent, I don't care who it is.

Stop with the Clinton BS, you all sound like fools.


Yep, and Joe Public gets it.

Too bad the so-called national leaders don't get it.

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

Yep, and Joe Public gets it.

Too bad the so-called national leaders don't get it.

There's 5 or 6 "Joe Publics" on here who continue to blame Clinton for everything from terrorism to the price of tomatoes. If "Clinton sucks" is the only argument a conservative has, that conservative needs to seriously educate himself before opening his yap again.

[MarcusKspn]

It seems like lately our only standpoint for both parties has not been: "This is why my party is good." But the only way to make our party look good is by saying "At least we didn't do....."

[scfire86]

In the Gingrich mid-term victories, they laid the foundation for decades of Republican majority by promising simple conservative values.
Then you'll appreciate Gingrich's (http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2007/08/02/gingrich/index.html) recent comments.

Excerpt:

And finally, when it seemed he'd been as blasphemous as he could possibly be, Gingrich pulled out a whopper: "None of you should believe we are winning this war," he said, referring to the so-called war on terror. "We are in a phony war ... we have not been taking this seriously."

[HotTrotter]

...
If you are a conservative and you are still harping on "Well. Clinton did the same thing" you are an idiot. Educate yourself. Find out what your own party has done to abandon you and then start talking about how to revive the Republican party. Conservatism worked before and it can work again. However, it will take conviciton and guts. Something that is lacking in virtually every Republican national office holder.

I will not vote again for an incumbent, I don't care who it is.

Stop with the Clinton BS, you all sound like fools.

The whole Clinton did the same thing doesn't make one an idiot. It makes one very inteligent. For once you realize that Clinton and Bush are nearly identical you can either support both or not. It really doesn't matter anymore. Whoever gets elected will take care of their friends, typically the rich and famous. The poor working slob will get screwed no matter what. We the people need to figure out how to take back our country from these corrupt politicians.

[HotTrotter]

Then you'll appreciate Gingrich's (http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2007/08/02/gingrich/index.html) recent comments.

Excerpt:

I Like this one better

"We have got to get beyond this political bologna. I'm not allowed to say anything positive about Hillary Clinton because then I'm not a loyal Republican, and she's not allowed to say anything positive about me because then she's not a loyal Democrat. What a stupid way to run a country." This last line he nearly spat out, expressing what seemed like genuine outrage. But the response was muted. Tepid applause bubbled up and then died within seconds.

Of course I will agree, we aren't winning this war. Then again, we aren't fighting it on all fronts. How about bringing home all of our troops and using them to lock down our borders and points of ingress. Next we need to use some of these guys to keep track of the visitors to this country who are here on visas. Remember, on 9-11 those guys were here illegally or on visas.

It would be nice to catch Bin Laden, but it will never happen. he is either already dead, has changed his appearance, or has gone into complete hiding.

I have two problems with the democrats. They believe that man is causing global warming, it is a naturally occurring phenomenon. 500,000 years ago Greenland was green. It wasn’t covered in ice. Could it be we are returning to the temperature of those times? The second issue is a national health care system. Not only will it grow government, but it will be ineffective. I have a neighbor who uses the VA hospital. The horror stories are unbelievable. Of course, it’s safe to believe that this Health care thing will be just an empty promise that will never come to be. But that is how this chuckleheads get elected, they give us a bunch of empty promises.

[scfire86]

Newt made his own bed. He led the charge on rabid partisanship. He is one of those conservatives who believes we should get in line and support our President because there is a war. He would like to forget it was folks like he and Tom Delay who tried to impeach a President when there were troops in harms way. Yet no one was concerned about troop morale or emboldening the enemy. Nor was anyone who disagreed with Newt (what a name) accusing him of treason like conservatives do now with anyone who is critical of the idiot in chief.

In case you didn't figure it out, his speech was his method of testing his presidential prospects.

[scfire86]

I have two problems with the democrats.
I have a lot more than two problems with the current wackos leading the repubs.

[ThNozzleman]

The whole Clinton did the same thing doesn't make one an idiot. It makes one very inteligent.
Now, that's funny!
By the way, your spelling of "intelligent" is incorrect, Einstein. :rolleyes:

[EastKyFF]

A candidate's qualifications are not defined relative to those of other candidates or previous officeholders. They are defined relative to the requirements of the office.

When we look at a field of candidates, we should not say, "He's better than Bill Clinton" or "She's better than Dubya." That's irrelevant, at least when there is no incumbent.

We should say, "He has what it takes to be president" or "She could lead this country."