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rblad07
06-11-2007, 02:48 PM
anyone heard if nashville fire has hired anyone yet the physical test was given on 6/4/07 anyone knowhow long it usually takes for them to start interviews??????
rblad07
06-12-2007, 01:37 PM
lol wel i guess noone knows hopefully someone will soon though
Tnfiremedic
06-12-2007, 10:10 PM
nothing will happen until after the budget is passed. Fiscal year start July 1st.
dsmns27
06-16-2007, 08:13 PM
I was also wondering about the next phase. Does nfd interview everyone that passed both test aor do they make up the list based on just your scores then interview those selected for the next class, and how do they notify you. does everyone that tested recieve a notice of their status or just those chosen for an interview. Also, do they just base your final standing before the interview on just yoyr two scores or do they factor things like education, experience, and location. I keep hearing different things from different people. Would just like some clarification. Also i was told that the ladder climb was pass/fail, then what was up with them writing your time down if you passed, does your ladder climb time factor into your score.
EngrMedic32
06-18-2007, 04:07 PM
They will interview enough to cover the class numbers that will be hired. For example; if the class is going to be 40 new hires they will probably interview 50 or 60 and make conditional offers for employment. Rumor is they are only wanting to hire those with active EMT or Paramedic licenses. As far as the ladder climb time documentation, I don't think the time counts for anything other than documentation that you had a passing time. Always keep in mind that nothing will happen until after the new budget is in place and on top of that Metro is really SLOWWWWWWW!
dsmns27
06-18-2007, 07:20 PM
Thankx for the info eng32. Will they let everyone know what their number is regardless if they are chosen for an interview or if you dont get an interview you can assume your high on the list. Also do u know if your status on the list is just based on your written, pat and emt status scores. Also if they just wanted already license emts and medics then why did they advertise the position as fire recruit with no minimum qualifications as a medic or is that just a political technicality so they can say they did test for fire recruit after 3 years.
rblad07
06-19-2007, 12:51 PM
ya know thats a good question but i sure hope that they arent requiring emt to get in bc its very hard to get emt license when you work a full time job 7 to 6 and have a wife that is in school full time also but dont get me wrong my hat is off to everyone who does have emt . good luck everyone.......
SgtScott31
06-20-2007, 10:22 PM
ya know thats a good question but i sure hope that they arent requiring emt to get in bc its very hard to get emt license when you work a full time job 7 to 6 and have a wife that is in school full time also but dont get me wrong my hat is off to everyone who does have emt . good luck everyone.......
Although it's not required for an EMT license, half the academy time is obtaining your EMT certification. Applicants who already have their license stand a better chance than those who don't have one. If you are a minority, I believe you hold a better chance than anyone, licensed or not.
rblad07
06-21-2007, 02:21 PM
could anyone give me some info on the best way to get emt licenesed without going through the academy i live in hohenwald tn nearest school is columbia state i think not sure of any other schools that give it.
Tnfiremedic
06-23-2007, 04:40 AM
Motlow St. may have a class and I think they use to have one in Clifton. But, Columbia St may still be your closest
alsmedic1
06-23-2007, 10:07 PM
Columbia State closed their medic program for good. I don't know if they still have an EMT program or not.
EngrMedic32
06-26-2007, 11:11 AM
Thankx for the info eng32. Will they let everyone know what their number is regardless if they are chosen for an interview or if you dont get an interview you can assume your high on the list. Also do u know if your status on the list is just based on your written, pat and emt status scores. Also if they just wanted already license emts and medics then why did they advertise the position as fire recruit with no minimum qualifications as a medic or is that just a political technicality so they can say they did test for fire recruit after 3 years.
Sorry it took me a while to respond to your questions, I've been out of pocket for a few days. You should get a letter informing you of your place on the eligibility list. I don't know how they chose who to interview. Your scores are averaged and you are placed on the list accordingly. They do advertise the Fire Recruit position with no minimum requirements, however; they do prefer to hire a class who already have an EMT license because of the up front cost savings for the government. They can get a recruit on the streets 8-10 weeks faster if the are already an EMT. On a brighter note, I heard they are going to hire non EMT applicants for this class. Recruit training will be a minimum of 16 weeks, half being EMT licensure and half fire training. Passing of EMT is mandatory and a condition of employment. It's 80% of what we do. Let me know if I can help you any other way and Good Luck!
WaterbryVTfire
06-26-2007, 11:36 AM
Sorry it took me a while to respond to your questions, I've been out of pocket for a few days. You should get a letter informing you of your place on the eligibility list. I don't know how they chose who to interview. Your scores are averaged and you are placed on the list accordingly. They do advertise the Fire Recruit position with no minimum requirements, however; they do prefer to hire a class who already have an EMT license because of the up front cost savings for the government. They can get a recruit on the streets 8-10 weeks faster if the are already an EMT. On a brighter note, I heard they are going to hire non EMT applicants for this class. Recruit training will be a minimum of 16 weeks, half being EMT licensure and half fire training. Passing of EMT is mandatory and a condition of employment. It's 80% of what we do. Let me know if I can help you any other way and Good Luck!
I had EMT two years ago (new POC dept., does not do medical) so I could easliy pass and get it again....and I currently have FF1/FF2/FESI 1. Does Nashville/Tenn., accept look at ProBoard certs., as a good or bad thing?
EngrMedic32
06-26-2007, 03:46 PM
I had EMT two years ago (new POC dept., does not do medical) so I could easliy pass and get it again....and I currently have FF1/FF2/FESI 1. Does Nashville/Tenn., accept look at ProBoard certs., as a good or bad thing?
Unfortunately the only thing they give credit for is EMT, paramedic, and/or a college degree. Unlike many cities, Nashville does not give credit for prior FF training and certificates. I guess they just want to brainwash you in to our firefighting world. There have been many FF's hired from other cities and they have to go through the academy just like someone that's never seen a hose and nozzle. Not that I agree with this, but it is what it is, and will continue to be so. Most Florida depts. require you to be state certified as a FF and EMT or paramedic prior to applying. I can see the purpose in requiring EMT or Medic licensure, it's just cost effective to hire individuals with this prior training and this has been the standard for the past few years. But as I said, it appears they are going to hire individuals without any training for the upcoming class. I've been told that it is not going to be a large class, aprox. 25. The easiest way in for the past 6 years is through the EMS Division. I know some people have only done a year or so on the Medic Unit before getting to cross-train and transfer to the firefighting division. This is one advantage to being in a large dept., in that there are lots of opportunities to do different things. It's all good and we have a great department to work for, we are moving forward at a pretty good pace. We're not perfect, but we're working on it. It's a great city, and the best job in the world!
rblad07
06-27-2007, 10:31 AM
I dont know about yall but i sure hope to hear something soon one way or another . anyone know if it will be in the early part of july or later part ???? or july at all???
redneckemt
06-27-2007, 12:31 PM
Columbia State closed their medic program for good. I don't know if they still have an EMT program or not.
I don't think so. Where did you hear this?
rblad07
06-27-2007, 04:22 PM
they still have the classes posted on their webstie
a96p71
06-28-2007, 12:15 AM
If you can go to CSCC. The instructors there are awesome. Danny Fleming was the instructor a few yrs ago and did an awesome job. He only had 1 to not make it when he instructed the class I was in several yrs ago. He turned out some of the best EMT's around. Most of them are still in the medical field today. If you go to CSCC you will not be sorry. As for Metro they are slower than molasses. also I heard rumor and that is all I will call it is rumor, That Columbia Fire Dept. is going to hire a few within the next few months. Memphis is going to start the process for 20 I heard. But that was rumor.
Tnfiremedic
06-28-2007, 09:33 PM
Just talked to an instructor faculty @07:30, on June28th. There IS an EMT and Paramedic ptogram at Columbia and Franklin. Paramedicstarts at Columbia in August.
rblad07
07-03-2007, 06:37 PM
any one know the status on nashville fire??????????????
wrb2000
07-04-2007, 08:55 PM
I took the written and agility tests on same b/c I am out of town. I have a NREMT medic card. Anyone know about Tenn. reciprocity? Also, I remember hearing test scores would be out in the middle of July.
Bcat88
07-09-2007, 08:21 PM
Hello guys and gals, thought I'd give a little update since I've been monitoring the boards pretty steadily. Got an email of my ranking- Follows what I believe the Sgt had posted previously, a 10 point scale, and you are ranked as a 9, 8, etc. (Please post if that is incorrect) Higher than a score of 7 is outstanding and gets an interview- but no info yet as to when that will be.
Did well enough to get an interview, thought maybe I'd have been ranked a little higher, but I understand from previous posts that once you are at the interview stage, rank is not necessarily the deciding factor, so congrats to all who have qualified, and good luck.
EngrMedic32
07-11-2007, 12:32 PM
I know there are over 400 on the eligibilty list. I just heard they are going to hire a class of aprox. 20. I also heard they plan to interview the top 100 on the list and then go from there. They are supposedly preparing for the interview process now. Good luck to all!!!!!
medicff32
07-12-2007, 12:32 AM
Hey all I was wondering if anyone has heard about the EMS side of the Fire Department and when they might be hiring Paramedics and how many?
Thanks in advance.
dsmns27
07-13-2007, 08:42 PM
I will give nashville the credit that no one seemd to know what the h$**L is going on with recruitment. I first moved here four years ago going on that i was told by hr and fire personnel a hiring process would be in spring 2006,and county residents would be chosen first and here it is summer 2007 and have not even done interviews and still yet when you ask someone you get a different response each time. One person tells me they will only interview those chosen for a class, another tells me they will interview all in the outsstanding group, another tells they will only interview 100. When you ask HR they tell you it is up to the fire department when to and how to choose interviews, but when you ask the a fire personnel they tell you it is up to hr to finalize the list. Would somebody that actually knows facts please post a reply as to when they anticipate starting interviews and how will they choose who to interview. Thanks
Kjohnson24
07-14-2007, 06:51 PM
I will give nashville the credit that no one seemd to know what the h$**L is going on with recruitment. I first moved here four years ago going on that i was told by hr and fire personnel a hiring process would be in spring 2006,and county residents would be chosen first and here it is summer 2007 and have not even done interviews and still yet when you ask someone you get a different response each time. One person tells me they will only interview those chosen for a class, another tells me they will interview all in the outsstanding group, another tells they will only interview 100. When you ask HR they tell you it is up to the fire department when to and how to choose interviews, but when you ask the a fire personnel they tell you it is up to hr to finalize the list. Would somebody that actually knows facts please post a reply as to when they anticipate starting interviews and how will they choose who to interview. Thanks
Well the only thing I can say is just wait and see. There are over 600 people on the outstanding list. They can jump anywhere on the outstanding list and hire the top 1 or can jump to number 600. And if you moved here just for being told something then that is your fault just relax and wait and see what happens.
dsmns27
07-14-2007, 09:55 PM
When your told my a metro government department on several occasions bu email and phone and person, both fire and hr, that a hiring process would be done in 2006 one would probably assume that they were telling the truth. I think my moving up here was going on what i thought were people that new what was going on, obviously i was wrong. Your response too basically told me nothing else, but in fact told me soemthing different as well. This was a first time i heard the number 600 seeming ive heard everyother number from other people. When one plans their future, they hope they are getting accurate information. I can see now i was fooled that is why i may have seemed a little POd in my thread.
Kjohnson24
07-14-2007, 10:35 PM
When your told my a metro government department on several occasions bu email and phone and person, both fire and hr, that a hiring process would be done in 2006 one would probably assume that they were telling the truth. I think my moving up here was going on what i thought were people that new what was going on, obviously i was wrong. Your response too basically told me nothing else, but in fact told me soemthing different as well. This was a first time i heard the number 600 seeming ive heard everyother number from other people. When one plans their future, they hope they are getting accurate information. I can see now i was fooled that is why i may have seemed a little POd in my thread.
I can understand your frustration. Yes the number is definately in the 600. I have a bud that is 680 and he made 7 out of 10 so therefore he is on the outstanding. One other thing bro never trust government and dont get your hopes up. Keep testing and moving forward you will land the job. If your not on the job now look into other cities around nashville also.
Shoot me a PM
Tnfiremedic
07-15-2007, 07:22 AM
Welcome to Metro. If your lucky enough to get the job, be sure you have a good mask. Nashville smoke screen's are notorious. Been there. Done that. Got several hats.
SgtScott31
07-16-2007, 05:52 PM
I will tell you that nearly 10 years ago I was one of 450 applicants who tested. They (NFD, HR, whoever) were only going to interview those that scored 8 or higher. There were those who were minorities or with high "politics" who did not score 8. Know what they did? Interviewed all 450 applicants. I was in the interview process all of about 3 minutes. It was sad.
You guys heard of the THP shake-up because of all the heavy politics? I swear to you THP doesn't have anything on NFD.
Don't get me wrong, if you can get hired, it's a great department with good pay. I'm happy where I am now, and I would much rather have an agency hire me because of my potential and not because of my race/sex, or who I know. Alot of good people are getting passed over because of the wrong reasons. I wish all you folks the best, but if the hiring process hasn't changed since I tested, the odds are against you.
Firefighter113
07-17-2007, 10:59 AM
I just wanted to let you know, your not alone in your frustration. I tested with Metro and recieved my letter in the mail with my grade based on the written and physical agility test. I have no idea if work history, experience or anything else weighs into the equation as you cant get any answers from anyone from either Metro HR or Metro Fire. I scored a 10 out of a possible 10 points and it stated that I had tied for the rank of 1. As of today, I still haven't heard anything about interviews. When I called Metro HR and inquired, they said they didnt know how many people would be hired or when the interviews would be. (Sound familiar?) I am an EMT-IV with over 4 years paid firefighting experience and had a coworker with almost the exact background test with me. He scored 8 out of 10 and was tied for the rank of 186. I've heard rumors that there were 300, 400, and up to 600 people on the outstanding list, so who knows. (You had to score 7 out of 10 to make outstanding) Metro HR did say that there were over 1500 applications for the Fire Recruit positions. I have heard rumors that they plan to hire approximately 20 firefighters and that there may be a class scheduled for October, but these are only rumors. Funny thing is, I have talked to 2 other people who said they knew someone who was tied for the rank of 1. Hell, there may be 50 people tied for the rank of 1. If anyone has any more info, I would appreciate it.
jonathanj003
07-19-2007, 07:49 PM
I just wanted to let you know, your not alone in your frustration. I tested with Metro and recieved my letter in the mail with my grade based on the written and physical agility test. I have no idea if work history, experience or anything else weighs into the equation as you cant get any answers from anyone from either Metro HR or Metro Fire. I scored a 10 out of a possible 10 points and it stated that I had tied for the rank of 1. As of today, I still haven't heard anything about interviews. When I called Metro HR and inquired, they said they didnt know how many people would be hired or when the interviews would be. (Sound familiar?) I am an EMT-IV with over 4 years paid firefighting experience and had a coworker with almost the exact background test with me. He scored 8 out of 10 and was tied for the rank of 186. I've heard rumors that there were 300, 400, and up to 600 people on the outstanding list, so who knows. (You had to score 7 out of 10 to make outstanding) Metro HR did say that there were over 1500 applications for the Fire Recruit positions. I have heard rumors that they plan to hire approximately 20 firefighters and that there may be a class scheduled for October, but these are only rumors. Funny thing is, I have talked to 2 other people who said they knew someone who was tied for the rank of 1. Hell, there may be 50 people tied for the rank of 1. If anyone has any more info, I would appreciate it.
There are 31 people tied for 1st with a 10 out of 10. Hope that helps (read the posts above).
dsmns27
07-19-2007, 08:34 PM
Not too be a pessimist but today i heard something more news and of course its different from what ive heard before now. I talked to a metro cop who knows someone in the training division and he told me that the word from them is that this up coming class regardless of score will be made up mostly of minorities and those with political pull. After this class of approximately 20 they will return to doing all classes thereafter as crosstrained as before, those from ems crosstraining for fire. He said this was cost beneficial and is how they will get all fire hires from then on until they start another list in 3 years. He said the list is mandated by civil service laws that a new list must be made every 3 years but it does not require them to hire off of the list for every class, thus comes in the crosstraining. Therefore he advised me that the person telling him this info stated that the best bet from now on into the future for someone that wants to get into the fire division is too work in ems preferable as a paramedic for a few years and then apply to crosstrain into the fire division. Not to be discouraging but this does not sound to good for those that are ranked say 100 or higher like myself, but as others know what you hear may be totally not what is planned.
wilson247
07-20-2007, 12:58 AM
How did you come to the conclusion that there are 31 people tied for 1st? I'm just curious and not trying to be a smart a**!
Kjohnson24
07-21-2007, 03:20 PM
best bet from now on into the future for someone that wants to get into the fire division is too work in ems preferable as a paramedic for a few years and then apply to crosstrain into the fire division. Not to be discouraging but this does not sound to good for those that are ranked say 100 or higher like myself, but as others know what you hear may be totally not what is planned.
Well as you know there is a mayors race going on right now. There will not probally be any hiring till after the mayors race and depending on who gets it is how the hiring will go. You can bet that who ever gets it that the fire chief will be gone and that more than likely the cross training will be stopped and if you want to get on fire side then you will have to be hired off the list and the EMS side will have to go through same testing and be hired off list also.
wilson247
07-22-2007, 01:03 AM
Speaking of the upcoming Mayoral Election, I recently had a conversation with a Captain from Metro. This conversation took place in the Hermitage Home Depot between two people that had never met before, one of them being a Captain with Metro the other being someone trying to get on with Metro, so for what its worth, he said that they were only hiring 20 people initially and that they would hire another 40 after the administration changes. That sounds pretty good to me, but what if the new mayor doesn't want to hire 40 more. I'm not sure it's safe to speculate on what the new mayor will do. I guess it depends on who gets elected. Which brings me to another thought, anybody know anything about Buck Dozier? He's got the endorsement of Metro PD and FD. I'm not suggesting anyone vote for this guy, but he is a former Metro Fire Chief. That could be a good if someone like him gets in, but then again who knows...
wilson247
07-22-2007, 01:08 AM
There are 31 people tied for 1st with a 10 out of 10. Hope that helps (read the posts above).
How do you know there are 31 people tied for 1st?
Firefighter113
07-22-2007, 09:03 PM
I actually spoke to a Metro firefighter today who said there were 8 people tied for the rank of 1. I didn't inquire about the source of his information, but he said he also had a friend that also tied for the rank of 1. I would also like to know where the 31 number came from. I also heard from yet another person that there is a Rookie class scheduled for October and that Metro had only been approved for 17 new hires. All unconfirmed information.
SgtScott31
07-22-2007, 11:24 PM
From the way it sounds, their hiring standards have not changed in the last 10 years. Pity....
jonathanj003
07-24-2007, 12:55 PM
I actually spoke to a Metro firefighter today who said there were 8 people tied for the rank of 1. I didn't inquire about the source of his information, but he said he also had a friend that also tied for the rank of 1. I would also like to know where the 31 number came from. I also heard from yet another person that there is a Rookie class scheduled for October and that Metro had only been approved for 17 new hires. All unconfirmed information.
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FOR ALL OF YOU INQUIRING ABOUT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE TIED FOR 1ST:
My 'information' comes from the simple fact that I am tied for 32nd with a '9 out of possible 10' ranking points. There are no 'half points' awarded (i.e. 0.5 pts).....therefore.....The only possible score better than mine is a 10 out of 10, thus there are only 31 others above the 9 out of 10 ranking. Make sense?
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As to the guy who 'heard' that there were 8 people tied for first either talked to someone that could not do simple math or just decided to make that number up....who knows?.?.?.
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I hope that helps.
wilson247
07-24-2007, 05:27 PM
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FOR ALL OF YOU INQUIRING ABOUT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE TIED FOR 1ST:
My 'information' comes from the simple fact that I am tied for 32nd with a '9 out of possible 10' ranking points. There are no 'half points' awarded (i.e. 0.5 pts).....therefore.....The only possible score better than mine is a 10 out of 10, thus there are only 31 others above the 9 out of 10 ranking. Make sense?
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As to the guy who 'heard' that there were 8 people tied for first either talked to someone that could not do simple math or just decided to make that number up....who knows?.?.?.
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I hope that helps.
I'm no rocket scientist, but that can't be right. Someone has to be ranked 2nd,3rd,4th,5th,etc. I too am tied for 32nd with 9 out of 10 and there's no telling how many of us are tied for 32nd. So one can't assume that there are only 31 individuals that ranked higher than 32nd nor can one assume that everyone that ranked higher that 32nd is tied for 1st.
jonathanj003
07-24-2007, 10:28 PM
I'm no rocket scientist, but that can't be right. Someone has to be ranked 2nd,3rd,4th,5th,etc. I too am tied for 32nd with 9 out of 10 and there's no telling how many of us are tied for 32nd. So one can't assume that there are only 31 individuals that ranked higher than 32nd nor can one assume that everyone that ranked higher that 32nd is tied for 1st.
Please go back and read your post and then reconsider your question. I understand what you are 'trying' to say but you do not understand the concept. Let me break it down for you further:
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Clearly there are 31 people ahead of the 32nd TIE that you and I and probably over 100 others are tied for. So, with that being said, positions 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, and 31 all have a possible "10 out of 10 points" for a score--and are TIED FOR THE TOP RANKING OF #1. That's why there are no rankings of 2nd, 14th, 23rd, etc...because the top 31 people all have the highest score available with a 10 out of 10.
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Then NEXT highest score is a 9 out of 10 points. That is what I scored and you scored and 3 other guys I know--all of whom are ranked 32nd. There may very well be 100-150 people who have a 9 out of 10 ranking thus TIED FOR THE POSITION OF 32nd. This is also the reason that you have not heard anyone say they are 33rd, 45th, 64th, etc....because all of those people have a possible 9 out of 10.
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Any clearer?
wilson247
07-25-2007, 12:09 AM
Please go back and read your post and then reconsider your question. I understand what you are 'trying' to say but you do not understand the concept. Let me break it down for you further:
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Clearly there are 31 people ahead of the 32nd TIE that you and I and probably over 100 others are tied for. So, with that being said, positions 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, and 31 all have a possible "10 out of 10 points" for a score--and are TIED FOR THE TOP RANKING OF #1. That's why there are no rankings of 2nd, 14th, 23rd, etc...because the top 31 people all have the highest score available with a 10 out of 10.
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Then NEXT highest score is a 9 out of 10 points. That is what I scored and you scored and 3 other guys I know--all of whom are ranked 32nd. There may very well be 100-150 people who have a 9 out of 10 ranking thus TIED FOR THE POSITION OF 32nd. This is also the reason that you have not heard anyone say they are 33rd, 45th, 64th, etc....because all of those people have a possible 9 out of 10.
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Any clearer?
I see what you're "trying" to say and if you're right there are 154 tied for 32nd. Seems to me that if 10 out of 10 gets you tied for 1st, then 9 out of 10 would get you tied for 2nd.
jonathanj003
07-25-2007, 10:58 AM
I see what you're "trying" to say and if you're right there are 154 tied for 32nd. Seems to me that if 10 out of 10 gets you tied for 1st, then 9 out of 10 would get you tied for 2nd.
No, it would not get you 2nd. First of all, how would you have the SECOND HIGHEST POSSIBLE SCORE (9 out of 10) and still be ranked 32nd? Next, what people have in front of you does not determine your ranking--as long as they are all higher scores than you. For example.....let's say that there were 'quarter-points awarded' such as a 9.75, 9.50, and 9.25 (NASHVILLE DOES NOT DO THIS BUT LET'S SAY THEY DO JUST FOR ARGUEMENT SAKE). If out of those 31 people with scores higher than you and me all had some combination of those scores (such as five people with a 10/10, five people with a 9.75/10, ten people with 9.50/10, and eleven people with a 9.25/10--FOR A TOTAL OF 31 PEOPLE AHEAD OF YOU), then you and I are still in the 32nd spot FOR THE SIMPLE FACT THAT THERE ARE 31 OTHER PEOPLE WITH BETTER SCORES ABOVE US.
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Any clearer? I know it it hard to see it since there are no 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and so on.....; however, those 'spots' are taken up by a 'tie for first'.
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Please tell me you understand. Call Civil Service if you do not believe me; but, in this case I know that I am right.
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Anyone else care to elaborate?
wilson247
07-25-2007, 07:53 PM
No, it would not get you 2nd. First of all, how would you have the SECOND HIGHEST POSSIBLE SCORE (9 out of 10) and still be ranked 32nd? Next, what people have in front of you does not determine your ranking--as long as they are all higher scores than you. For example.....let's say that there were 'quarter-points awarded' such as a 9.75, 9.50, and 9.25 (NASHVILLE DOES NOT DO THIS BUT LET'S SAY THEY DO JUST FOR ARGUEMENT SAKE). If out of those 31 people with scores higher than you and me all had some combination of those scores (such as five people with a 10/10, five people with a 9.75/10, ten people with 9.50/10, and eleven people with a 9.25/10--FOR A TOTAL OF 31 PEOPLE AHEAD OF YOU), then you and I are still in the 32nd spot FOR THE SIMPLE FACT THAT THERE ARE 31 OTHER PEOPLE WITH BETTER SCORES ABOVE US.
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Any clearer? I know it it hard to see it since there are no 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and so on.....; however, those 'spots' are taken up by a 'tie for first'.
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Please tell me you understand. Call Civil Service if you do not believe me; but, in this case I know that I am right.
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Anyone else care to elaborate?
Look man, I'll take your word for it, really, I'm not trying to cause any trouble, but it seems a lot like going around your a## to get to your elbow. It reeks of "government"!
Firefighter113
07-26-2007, 02:30 AM
Based on Jonathon's scoring methodology and the info in this forum, this is the breakdown I've come up with:
There are 31 people tied for the rank of #1 with a score of 10 out of 10
There are 154 people tied for the rank of #32 with a score of 9 out of 10
There are 493 people tied for the rank of #186 with a score of 8 out of 10
There are __?__ people tied for the rank of #680 with a score of 7 out of 10
That would include all the people who made the outstanding list. I couldn't figure the numbers for the people who scored 7 out of 10 due to the fact that no one has posted the rank for someone who scored 6 out of 10. I know it seems like a stupid way to score applicants, but I guess it makes sense to someone. (Just not me.) I hope this helps and doesn't start another argument. Peace.
Tnfiremedic
07-26-2007, 05:20 AM
Welcome to Metro. If your lucky enough to get the job, be sure you have a good mask. Nashville smoke screen's are notorious. Been there. Done that. Got several hats.
See! ! ! Get your mask !
wilson247
07-26-2007, 07:41 PM
See! ! ! Get your mask !
OK, now I understand what you were saying!
LoveMyJob
07-28-2007, 07:22 PM
Look man, I'll take your word for it, really, I'm not trying to cause any trouble, but it seems a lot like going around your a## to get to your elbow. It reeks of "government"!
Hey this might help you understand what Jonathan is saying. Here is a typical Leaderboard from a golf tournament. Notice how the "places" are assigned. There is no 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, or 13th. That's because 7 guys are tied for 7th. Not trying to be a dick, I know sometimes I need to see an example to understand. Good luck getting on.
1 Vijay Singh 68 65 68 - -3 F -12 201
T2 Steve Allan 64 68 70 - -1 F -11 202
T2 John Mallinger 66 66 70 - -1 F -11 202
4 Hunter Mahan 62 74 67 - -4 F -10 203
T5 Pat Perez 68 70 66 - -5 F -9 204
T5 Jim Furyk 69 66 69 - -2 F -9 204
T7 George McNeill 70 69 66 - -5 F -8 205
T7 Bob Heintz 69 69 67 - -4 F -8 205
T7 Glen Day 67 70 68 - -3 F -8 205
T7 Tom Pernice Jr. 68 68 69 - -2 F -8 205
T7 Bo Van Pelt 66 70 69 - -2 F -8 205
T7 Brandt Snedeker 67 68 70 - -1 F -8 205
T7 Ryan Palmer 67 67 71 - E F -8 205
T14 Bob Tway 69 71 66 - -5 F -7 206
T14 Paul Gow 70 69 67 - -4 F -7 206
T14 Troy Matteson 67 71 68 - -3 F -7 206
T14 Shigeki Maruyama 69 69 68 - -3 F -7 206
T14 Steve Marino 70 66 70 - -1 F -7 206
T14 Dicky Pride 68 68 70 - -1 F -7 206
T14 Cliff Kresge 70 65 71 - E F -7 206
T14 Michael Putnam 66 68 72 - +1 F -7 206
T14 Tripp Isenhour 65 68 73 - +2 F -7 206
T23 Mathew Goggin 68 70 69 - -2 F -6 207
T23 Daisuke Maruyama 68 69 70 - -1 F -6 207
T23 Charlie Wi 66 71 70 - -1 F -6 207
T23 Brett Quigley 68 68 71 - E F -6 207
T27 Mike Weir 71 70 67 - -4 F -5 208
T27 Brian Davis 70 70 68 - -3 F -5 208
T27 Stephen Ames 70 69 69 - -2 F -5 208
T27 Briny Baird 69 69 70 - -1 F -5 208
T27 Ted Purdy 68 69 71 - E F -5 208
T27 Camilo Villegas 68 68 72 - +1 F -5 208
dsmns27
07-30-2007, 01:40 PM
Curious, does anyone know anything about when clarksville might be taking applications. I know they got a SAFER grant last year for 15 positions, but i never saw anything on their human resources about taking applications. Also when is the new nashville mayor suppose to take office.
WJVaughn
07-31-2007, 11:30 AM
Curious, does anyone know anything about when clarksville might be taking applications. I know they got a SAFER grant last year for 15 positions, but i never saw anything on their human resources about taking applications. Also when is the new nashville mayor suppose to take office.
There was talk that Clarksville was going to give the SAFER back. The new Mayor came in and decided he didn't want to be saddled with the old Mayor's plan.
I never heard what the final outcome was on it.
Firefighter113
07-31-2007, 11:33 AM
According to Jonathon's methodology of scoring, this is the breakdown I came up with:
10 out of 10 gets you tied with 31 others for the rank of 1.
9 out of 10 gets you tied with 154 others for the rank of 32nd.
8 out of 10 gets you tied with 493 others for the rank of 86th.
7 out of 10 gets you tied with ???? others for the rank of 680th.
All of the above would be in the OUTSTANDING category according to Metro.
I hope this doesn't create more confusion or controversy.
Tnfiremedic
07-31-2007, 08:34 PM
According to the Civil Service Rules in Nashville(if they still go by them). 20% of the list is in Outstanding, 30% is well Qualified, and 50 % is in the Qualified category.
Now if they go by this, somewhere in the 8-10 range is where the outstanding stops.
I had read earlier there have been 800-1500 apps, which is a pretty far spread. So your 20% range could be 160 to 300 in the outstanding range.
We know there are 32 in outstanding. If that's 20%, then 10% is 16. 100% would be 160. Does this sound right?
Can anybody that is still working there verify the ruling.
SgtScott31
08-02-2007, 06:38 PM
Honestly there is way too much concern about the civil service written/agility test scores. If you are not what they are looking for, it doesn't matter what you scored. Those that normally get hired with NFD are either a) minority or b) have family/close friends in high ranks with the department (or politicians). If you don't fall under (a) or (b), you may have a shot if you scored a 10 and already EMT licensed. That's what I would put money on anyway.
wilson247
08-03-2007, 04:55 PM
Well, I guess that settles it!
dsmns27
08-04-2007, 01:51 PM
New and different news of course. A fellow work employee whose uncle is a captain with nfd told me yesterday that he told her that they have already interviewed those chosen for the up coming class. As you all know we,ve heard something different from about everybody on here. Just wondering if anybody else can vouch if this is true.
wilson247
08-04-2007, 05:18 PM
Personally, I have no idea, but somehow I just don't think that is true. However, we have been warned about Metro's smoke screens!
sharrock
08-05-2007, 11:41 PM
There was talk that Clarksville was going to give the SAFER back. The new Mayor came in and decided he didn't want to be saddled with the old Mayor's plan.
I never heard what the final outcome was on it.
Clarksville did hire the 15 from the grant plus two more to fill in holes. They came on board last month.
Firefighter113
08-06-2007, 12:35 AM
I tied for the rank of 1 and I am a licensed EMT-IV and I haven't heard anything about Metro interviews yet. I talked to another guy who tied for the rank of 1 last week and he hadn't heard anything about interviews yet either. He and I aren't (a) a minority or (b) related to anyone with rank, so I hope that didn't dictate who got or gets an interview. It would be sad if the top 31 of over 1500 didn't even get an interview just because they didn't "know" anyone. If anyone hears anything about Metro Fire Recruit Interviews, please post...... Thanks.
dsmns27
08-06-2007, 01:06 PM
Where did clarksville post the job announcement, b/c i religously checked their government website and job posting and never saw an announcement for the position. This also sounds like some fire department inside politics.
Firefighter113
08-06-2007, 09:40 PM
Metro has not started interviews as of yet. This isn't rumor. Straight from Metro Administration.
dsmns27
08-07-2007, 01:07 PM
Do you know if they plan on interviewing everyone in the outstanding group. If they are planning on a class in two months then why the wait, they must be only interviewing a few, b/c i see it highly impossible to interview some 600+ in the outstanding group and have a class hired by october.
Firefighter113
08-07-2007, 02:09 PM
I agree. If the rumors are true that they plan to have a class in October, you would think they would have already started the interview process. The hiring process is lengthy considering once the applicants are chosen a contingent job offer must be made and accepted, background checks performed, etc. before the list is even established for the rookie class. I personally spoke to Chief Halford's secretary who said they don't know anything about interviews yet and she referred me to Metro HR. Metro HR said they didn't know when they would be and it was completely up to Metro FD. Sound familiar? I currently sit on an interview panel at another dept. and can't see them interviewing everyone in the outstanding category, considering it is so large, but who knows. It is Metro and it seems that they make up the rules as they go.
jonathanj003
08-08-2007, 09:44 AM
I agree. If the rumors are true that they plan to have a class in October, you would think they would have already started the interview process. The hiring process is lengthy considering once the applicants are chosen a contingent job offer must be made and accepted, background checks performed, etc. before the list is even established for the rookie class. I personally spoke to Chief Halford's secretary who said they don't know anything about interviews yet and she referred me to Metro HR. Metro HR said they didn't know when they would be and it was completely up to Metro FD. Sound familiar? I currently sit on an interview panel at another dept. and can't see them interviewing everyone in the outstanding category, considering it is so large, but who knows. It is Metro and it seems that they make up the rules as they go.
Guys, look, the rule of thumb is for any major metropolitan city-run government--THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IN PARTICULAR--is that whatever so called 'date' they give you for hiring a class in, ADD SIX (6) MONTHS TO THAT. Sorry to be so blunt but that is the way it is. I would stop calling. They will interview you if you have the scores. As far as interviewing just the minorities--they will not do that. The interviews will be around 5 minutes long. They will either give you a thumbs up or a thumbs down to continue throught the process (you won't know however until you recieve notification in the mail). This is the way they get 'who they want'. Be patient.
wilson247
08-08-2007, 07:48 PM
There was never a "hiring date" given. At the written exam, the HR rep that was present was asked by an applicant when they would begin hiring. He said there would be no hiring before the fall. Not October, not November, but "the fall". So it very well could be 6 months from now, but I don't think it will be that long.
jonathanj003
08-09-2007, 08:14 AM
There was never a "hiring date" given. At the written exam, the HR rep that was present was asked by an applicant when they would begin hiring. He said there would be no hiring before the fall. Not October, not November, but "the fall". So it very well could be 6 months from now, but I don't think it will be that long.
I do. Ever worked for another large Metro city in Tennessee? It will be at least after the first of the year.
Firefighter113
08-09-2007, 02:32 PM
Maybe they will wait until about June of next year... That would be better for me anyway. At least we know the list is suppose to be good for 3 years.
wilson247
08-09-2007, 03:32 PM
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wilson247
08-09-2007, 04:22 PM
I do. Ever worked for another large Metro city in Tennessee? It will be at least after the first of the year.
Have you worked for Nashville? I didn't think so.
jonathanj003
08-09-2007, 04:28 PM
Have you worked for Nashville? I didn't think so.
Because Nashville is any different? Come on, get real. Don't get all upset because I told you something you didn't want to know. Maybe it's best for you if you just hold out hope that they will begin calling people next week or the week after that. But for reality's sake, go on with your life. You will get a letter and/or an email when it's time to interview. There is no need to get hostile with people on here. A question was asked and so I put in my two cents OUT OF EXPERIENCE (which is a lot more of a base that most have here!) Take it or leave it. Read above and in other posts if you don't belive me...But Nashville is not in any hurry--THAT, I believe, everyone can agree on!
-That is all. Good Day sir.
wilson247
08-09-2007, 05:00 PM
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NotYourFF09
08-14-2007, 04:29 PM
The Metro Civil Service Board just approved the Fire Recruit List today. A step in the right direction.
Firefighter113
08-16-2007, 12:53 AM
I dont mean to sound stupid but what is the fire recruit list?
rblad07
08-16-2007, 10:16 AM
any word on how many were approved for the class??
dsmns27
08-18-2007, 03:43 PM
I dont know if anyone else saw this but during the mayoral campaign they ran an article about mayor candidate claims. This was in the tennessean on buck dozier. For those that dont know he was the former nfd fire chief running for mayor and endorsed by nfd. This was the analysis and response from fire personnel to his claims. Copieed and pasted exactly from the newspaper:
BUCK DOZIER
CLAIM: In Dozier's ad "Up Close," he says that "911 dispatchers, police, firefighters and paramedics are understaffed. Their resources are stretched too thin." Dozier is a former Nashville fire chief.
ANALYSIS: The Metro police department has 73 unstaffed positions, which have resulted in longer response times, according to a Tennessean analysis. RoxAnn Brown resigned from her position as 911 director earlier this month after criticisms of ambulance responses.
Deputy Fire Chief Kim Lawson said there are "very few vacancies" on the fire department staff. The department is focused on future paramedic positions, she
said.
"We're looking for additional staffing, but at the level we're at now, we're actually in pretty good shape," District Chief Charles Shannon said.
Note Chief lawson's comments. May explain the long process and why no one has heard anything.
firebicho
08-30-2007, 05:42 PM
[QUOTE=Firefighter113;846817]Metro has not started interviews as of yet. This isn't rumor. Straight from Metro Administration.[/QUOTE
hey guys, new to forum, but i`ve been looking into this for a bit, just wanted to let you guys know that the interview letters are out, i just got mine yesterday, so keep a eye open for them and good luck!
firebicho
08-30-2007, 05:45 PM
letter are out for interviews, just got mine, so keep a eye for them and good luck!
NotYourFF09
08-30-2007, 06:18 PM
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wilson247
08-30-2007, 06:55 PM
Looks like were rolling again. They're sending out the interview letters.
gameradio
08-30-2007, 07:06 PM
I got my letter in the mail today sweet!
wrb2000
08-30-2007, 08:09 PM
Are people just getting letters or are some of you getting emails also? I have gotten an email a week before I got the letter for each step so far.
wilson247
08-30-2007, 08:29 PM
Are people just getting letters or are some of you getting emails also? I have gotten an email a week before I got the letter for each step so far.
It seems that they're only sending letters this time. I can only speak for myself and a friend at work, we both got letters without an e-mail this time.
firebicho
08-30-2007, 11:12 PM
seems like just letters, no e-mail
gameradio
08-30-2007, 11:18 PM
no email this time, just a letter with date and direction on it...
wrb2000
08-31-2007, 12:28 PM
Of those of you who got letters, what was your score? 10,9,8..?
Kjohnson24
08-31-2007, 05:03 PM
I know some people that had a 7 that are getting interviewed. So I imagine they are interviewing everyone on the outstanding.
Lakerpyro318
08-31-2007, 09:17 PM
Had an 8 and got a interview
nwadler
09-01-2007, 08:38 PM
I just got my letter. I got and 8 also.
dsmns27
09-02-2007, 05:20 PM
Ive been out of town since last week and will be for another week. Just curious as to what are some of the dates for the interviews people are getting or how far out or some of them scheduled like next week, october, etc. Just need to know if i need to get home earlier to check my mail.
Firefighter113
09-02-2007, 10:53 PM
I wouldn't rush back. The date on mine was for 9/24 and my buddies was for sometime in October. We didn't get e-mails either, just the letter with the date, time and directions. Goodluck to all.
nwadler
09-03-2007, 06:33 PM
Just a quick question. Once the interview is done then a final list gets posted.
wrb2000
09-04-2007, 03:23 AM
i got a 9. I got an interview on 10/10. Another guy I tested with has the same date and same time! Does anyone know if the interview is solo or a group event? I know to dress "PROPPER" but anyone have an inside hook up as to why they would have multiple interviews at the same time?!
Good luck to all!!
Any info would help!?
rblad07
09-04-2007, 10:14 PM
could someone please give me some info on what to wear to the interviews thanks
Tnfiremedic
09-05-2007, 06:55 AM
Several may be there at 10:00, but not interview until 10:45. When interviewing a lot of applicants, they don't want to wait for somebody, they go on to the next applicant. Don't be late.
Wear your best suit, they're not impressed with uniforms.
wilson247
09-05-2007, 06:51 PM
Several may be there at 10:00, but not interview until 10:45. When interviewing a lot of applicants, they don't want to wait for somebody, they go on to the next applicant. Don't be late.
Wear your best suit, they're not impressed with uniforms.
Are you serious about the suit part? I guess what I'm asking is, since I don't own a suit, should I invest in one?
nwadler
09-05-2007, 09:22 PM
Just remember you are there to sell yourself.
nwadler
09-11-2007, 01:31 AM
Whats up with no more comments on here.
dsmns27
09-11-2007, 11:40 AM
I was told they ask you one question and your in there for about 5 minutes. Is this true or do they ask you a panel of questions. Anyone know.
wilson247
09-11-2007, 07:15 PM
Is it true that they have a trap door in the floor? I also heard that if they don't like you, you go down the trap door and they'll make hot dogs out of you and serve you at Sounds games!
dsmns27
09-11-2007, 08:25 PM
Is it true that wilson247 is a fing smartass. Just tring to get an idea of what to expect.
wilson247
09-11-2007, 09:27 PM
Is it true that wilson247 is a fing smartass. Just tring to get an idea of what to expect.
I've been called that and much worse. Seriously man, I'm just joking around no need to draw your guns. It was only a joke. I wanna know what to expect too. No hard feelings. I work with a guy who is scheduled to interview on the 24th of this month and I'm chompin at the bit to hear what he has to say about it. I don't interview until October!
mcaldwell
09-11-2007, 09:29 PM
Are you serious about the suit part? I guess what I'm asking is, since I don't own a suit, should I invest in one?
I'm not local, but this is an issue with every dept, everywhere. You don't necessarily need a suit, but dress up. Shirt and tie at least. Some guys will show up in jeans and what they think is thier nicest shirt, but you are COMPETING for a job. Dress nicely, but to impress.
Good Luck. :)
wrb2000
09-11-2007, 10:23 PM
Wilson...I am a huge fan of trap doors and hot dogs! Will they be serving hot dogs at the interview? I'll try not to get ketchup on my freshly pressed suit (which is a must)!
wilson247
09-11-2007, 11:11 PM
I don't think the letter mentioned any type of refreshments, so steer clear of the hot dogs! They're made out of people who wear jeans and t-shirts to important job interviews!
wilson247
09-11-2007, 11:19 PM
I'm not local, but this is an issue with every dept, everywhere. You don't necessarily need a suit, but dress up. Shirt and tie at least. Some guys will show up in jeans and what they think is thier nicest shirt, but you are COMPETING for a job. Dress nicely, but to impress.
Good Luck. :)
That's kind of what I was thinking. Thanks.
wilson247
09-11-2007, 11:55 PM
Just FYI, not that it's really important right now, but the results are in and Nashville's new mayor is Karl Dean. He was not endorsed by Nashville's Fire or Police. He's not even from Nashville, go figure. Anyway...
FFmedicchic
09-14-2007, 03:04 PM
good luck, thanks firefighter113 for breaking down the numbers.
A co-worker is a 9 of 10
farkingfireman
09-16-2007, 10:47 PM
good luck, thanks firefighter113 for breaking down the numbers.
A co-worker is a 9 of 10
That "co-worker" was actually me. Now i've signed up. I interview soon. I just saw the number firefighter113 come up with and realized my odds don't seem so great.
I can say, to never give up. I currently work for another big city. They called me ALMOST 5 YEARS later after I initially tested and offered me a job. Out of the blue, after I had given up. So you never know.
How does the ranking system go in Nashville (ie LT, captains, chiefs, drivers/enginners, private breakdown, etc) was are minimum years of on job before promotions?
wilson247
09-18-2007, 07:25 PM
Anyone interviewing soon? I know my friend interviews Monday the 24th. I'm assuming they're going in alphabetical order.
Lakerpyro318
09-18-2007, 11:22 PM
I dont think they are going in alphabetical order, My last name starts with a B and I am going on the 10th of Oct.
wilson247
09-18-2007, 11:35 PM
I just assumed that they were in alphabetical order. My friends name starts with A and so far he's gone ahead of me in every step of this process. Oh well, guess that's what happens when I assume things!
Firefighter113
09-19-2007, 08:47 PM
I think they are interviewing the candidates that scored 10 out of 10 first, in alphabetic order. Then, the 9 out of 10's in alphabetic order, etc. (I scored 10 out of 10 and my last name starts with an A and I interview early on the 24th.) I have a friend that also scored 10 out of 10 who interviews on the 25th (his name is a little further back in the alphabet), and then another friend who scored 8 out of 10 that doesnt interview until October. Thats just my guess.
nwadler
09-20-2007, 12:12 PM
Any advice from anyone who has interviewed?
firebicho
09-20-2007, 12:49 PM
i scored a 7 out of 10 and interviewed today!! be afraid, be very afraid!!!!!
wilson247
09-20-2007, 07:41 PM
Could you be a little less obscure?
Firefighter113
09-21-2007, 02:30 AM
Sounds like Firebicho got the trap door and ate the hotdog! C'mon, if you interviewed, give us the low-down... How many people in the interview? How long was the interview? What kind of questions, etc...
NismoFire
09-21-2007, 05:54 AM
Female with almost 4 years FF experience (NO EMT), interview date 9/26 @ 10am on Murfreesboro Rd. Score 7 out of 10 and tied for the rank of 422.
This has got to be the most f****d up hiring process I've ever seen.
FIREBICHO: how about telling us what we can expect??
I've been reading these threads for a while...everyone knows someone that knows something different. That's the beauty of such a huge department. Don't assume that the info you get from an "insider" is accurate. The only thing we can go on is what we've already been through. Sorry boys, we all have to be patient...
Good luck to everyone.
KiLLa
nwadler
09-21-2007, 12:10 PM
Just prepare for the worst and hope for the best
dsmns27
09-21-2007, 12:52 PM
This is a competitive job process. Why would he want to elaborate on the interview to give someone else a heads up over him.
wrb2000
09-21-2007, 04:44 PM
He should elaborate because the fire service is about brotherhood and helping each other out. If you are already a firefighter, as I am, you know to give help to each other. It's a karma thing! Think about the brothers and give up the info I promise to the same!
NismoFire
09-21-2007, 07:25 PM
He should elaborate because the fire service is about brotherhood and helping each other out. If you are already a firefighter, as I am, you know to give help to each other. It's a karma thing! Think about the brothers and give up the info I promise to the same!
Amen...don't forget the sisters, too.. :)
On that note, anyone know anything about the rookie school, besides it being 16wks?
jonathanj003
09-21-2007, 10:04 PM
He should elaborate because the fire service is about brotherhood and helping each other out. If you are already a firefighter, as I am, you know to give help to each other. It's a karma thing! Think about the brothers and give up the info I promise to the same!
Yeah I agree. Although I don't believe that it will make much difference--this is not a one-on-one basketball game. It is not going to hurt someone's chances by saying something about the interview.
-Just my 2-cents though.
wilson247
09-22-2007, 12:19 AM
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Firefighter113
09-24-2007, 02:54 PM
I interviewed today. I got there early, had a seat in the waiting area and they came to get me after about 2-3 minutes. Walked me back to a small room with 3 people behind a desk. (I think they were all District Chiefs, but not sure.) Then I was asked 3 to 5 simple questions. Very friendly and quick. I was told they were interviewing 600+ candidates and it probably would be around the first of the year before anyone heard anything or anything else happened. No trap doors, no candidates being ground into hotdogs. Good luck to all.
Bcat88
09-24-2007, 07:54 PM
What 113 said, and give yourself some extra time as traffic isn't the best, just like anywhere else in Nashville.
jonathanj003
09-24-2007, 10:12 PM
I interviewed today. I got there early, had a seat in the waiting area and they came to get me after about 2-3 minutes. Walked me back to a small room with 3 people behind a desk. (I think they were all District Chiefs, but not sure.) Then I was asked 3 to 5 simple questions. Very friendly and quick. I was told they were interviewing 600+ candidates and it probably would be around the first of the year before anyone heard anything or anything else happened. No trap doors, no candidates being ground into hotdogs. Good luck to all.
Was anyone told of (or does anyone know) if there is a 2nd interview involved? I interviewed today and it was very basic...no chiefs in mine though. 3 people--all captains or below. Just seems like it should be more involved.
Firefighter113
09-25-2007, 12:18 AM
From what I have been told, its just the basic interview that we had today. I was also told that at the end of the interview you get a thumbs up for a "to hire" and go on the list or thumbs down and get put on the "no hire" list. My friend, who has been through the process before also told me he recieved a letter after his interview with a "combined score" which combined his interview score and the written and physical scores. Im guessing after the interviews, they then have an extensive list of people to make contingent job offers to as they have positions become available or until the next list is established in 3 years.
Tnfiremedic
09-25-2007, 07:33 PM
Brotherhood is all fine and dandy, but I'm not going to help you get my job. Usually, everybody has the same answers. You're going in for first impression. The energy and confidence when you walk in the room. How you present yourself to the Board, individually. Do you look them in the eye when you talk to them or do you look at the whole Board while you give the answer. Your dress, mannerisms, how you set in the chair. All of it is watched. Don't worry about the rank. You may even see a suit. Whoever was available for Special Duty that day is who you'll get.
NismoFire
09-26-2007, 01:25 PM
Wow....I interviewed today...
...a crash test dummy could get a job if they're just doing THAT interview...
Leatherlung1
09-27-2007, 01:00 PM
I interviewed today. I got there early, had a seat in the waiting area and they came to get me after about 2-3 minutes. Walked me back to a small room with 3 people behind a desk. (I think they were all District Chiefs, but not sure.) Then I was asked 3 to 5 simple questions. Very friendly and quick. I was told they were interviewing 600+ candidates and it probably would be around the first of the year before anyone heard anything or anything else happened. No trap doors, no candidates being ground into hotdogs. Good luck to all.
Interviewing 600+? I heard only 200. Thats why everyone got a ranking # out of 200. Like 29 of 200. Anyone know alittle more on this issue?
jonathanj003
09-27-2007, 02:14 PM
Interviewing 600+? I heard only 200. Thats why everyone got a ranking # out of 200. Like 29 of 200. Anyone know alittle more on this issue?
I never got a 'ranking' number out of 200--or 600 for that matter. All I recieved PRE-INTERVIEW was a 9 out of 10 ranking after the written and physical. That was it. I interviewed on Monday and it really was cake. I kinda with it were more involved!
wilson247
09-27-2007, 07:38 PM
I didn't understand the "ranking" system when I first got my letter, but if you look at some of the previous posts you'll see that there were 31 people tied for 1st (scored a 10), 154 tied for 32nd (scored a 9), 493 people tied for 186th 9scored an 8), and I'm not sure how many people are tied for 680th(scored a 7). I believe this information is accurate, if not, I apologize. I'm under the impression that everyone on the "Outstanding" list is being interviewed. If that's the case, then they'll be interviewing well over 680 people. That's probably why the interviews are so short. Just a thought.
SgtScott31
09-27-2007, 09:29 PM
Not sure if they did the same thing this go around, but many years ago when I interviewed, they were initially going to interview only those that scored 8 or above on the combined written/PAT testing, which was around 200 applicants. Well, there was some heavy politics and/or minorities who didn't score above 8, so they ended up interviewing all 450 folks that had taken the written/PAT test. A 3 - 4 minute interview is a complete waste of time in my opinion. How is anyone ever going to remember 600+ applicants? What can possibly be asked/answered in less than 5 minutes that is going to guarantee anyone a job? Especially filling probably only 10-15 positions.
NismoFire
09-28-2007, 04:55 PM
The board said they are interviewing 600+ applicants. Didn't give an exact number, but they are interviewing all of us. They also said it will be at LEAST the end of the year before we heard anything.
Anyone know where I can get my EMT license without going thru a college to get it? The DC that was on my board said Recruit class was 18 weeks long, half EMT-IV, half suppression. If you have your EMT, you only have to go thru the suppression.
Good luck to the rest of you...
FFPE99
09-29-2007, 01:37 AM
Does anyone know how many recruits they usually put through the academy at one time?
firebicho
10-01-2007, 11:09 AM
Sounds like Firebicho got the trap door and ate the hotdog! C'mon, if you interviewed, give us the low-down... How many people in the interview? How long was the interview? What kind of questions, etc...
sorry it took me a minute, my system was down, the interview it`s not that bad, it`s fast maybe 7 min. with a panel of 3, basic questions and personal questions, but nothing to be afraid , they are very nice and ffiendly, just take your time and breath, it`s quick, so know what you will say before you go in.... good luck to all.
dsmns27
10-01-2007, 01:19 PM
Still nobody seems to know what happens after interviews. Does everyone get a new score with all three elements of the process factored in. How will you know your status. Do they send out another letter stating your overall ranking on the hiring list. Or will you not know anything after the interview until they possibly call you for the position within the 3 years of the valid process. Is only the 3 elemnts of the process, written,pat,interview factored into the final score or do they factor in education,experience,location, etc. Just curious. I too find it hard to understand how they will establish a list after interviewing 600+ with different interview panels everyday.
nwadler
10-02-2007, 11:46 AM
If you want the job then go to the interview and hope and pray afterwords. If you have no confidence in the system they are using then why bother. Dont waist your breath wondering whats next. Just go on with life after the interview as if you never went down. Then when the letter does come the wait will be easier.
jonathanj003
10-02-2007, 06:03 PM
If you want the job then go to the interview and hope and pray afterwords. If you have no confidence in the system they are using then why bother. Dont waist your breath wondering whats next. Just go on with life after the interview as if you never went down. Then when the letter does come the wait will be easier.
First time in the process, eh?
nwadler
10-02-2007, 10:28 PM
Yeah how did you guess. I spent a lot of time wondering about whether or not I was going to interview and how I did on the test and eventually just forgot about it. Then one day I got the letter in the mail and the glimmer of hope came back. Government usually works too slow to sit and worry. This is why I went with the broad approach and test many places and hope and pray. I fortunately have this luxury.
wilson247
10-03-2007, 06:42 PM
When are the interviews over? I go on the 9th. Is anyone scheduled past then?
Lakerpyro318
10-03-2007, 08:52 PM
I go the 10th
nwadler
10-03-2007, 11:01 PM
I also am going on the tenth. What time is your interview on the tenth
Lakerpyro318
10-05-2007, 04:59 PM
i go at 9:15
NotYourFF09
10-06-2007, 08:20 AM
I interviewed on the 3rd and they said the first class would start the first week of February. At the end of my 15 min interview they told me that I was on the Hire List and it will be good for two years. Was anyone else told weither or not they were on the Hire List?
farkingfireman
10-06-2007, 09:20 PM
Here is strickly a guess from me. We know interviews started on Monday the 24th, and go through at least the 10th. That's 13 days if they interviewed everyday Monday through Friday.
They seem to have had interviews scheduled every 15 minutes, 2 at a time. I'm guessing they interviewed 7 hours a day.
8 people an hour x 7 hours a day x 13 days = 728 interviews. I believe that the number of folks with scores 10-8 were about 680 folks.
Anyone with a 7 interview?
Any thoughts?
I too thought the interview was a laided back style. Very comfortable for most I hope. I thought of plenty of other things to talk about, AFTER I have left.
NotYourFF09
10-07-2007, 11:20 AM
From what I have been told, its just the basic interview that we had today. I was also told that at the end of the interview you get a thumbs up for a "to hire" and go on the list or thumbs down and get put on the "no hire" list. My friend, who has been through the process before also told me he recieved a letter after his interview with a "combined score" which combined his interview score and the written and physical scores. Im guessing after the interviews, they then have an extensive list of people to make contingent job offers to as they have positions become available or until the next list is established in 3 years.
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dsmns27
10-08-2007, 03:15 PM
I interviewed on the 3rd and they said the first class would start the first week of February. At the end of my 15 min interview they told me that I was on the Hire List and it will be good for two years. Was anyone else told weither or not they were on the Hire List?
They didnt tell me whether i was on the list or not. They did say they did not know how many or when a class would be, but that it was up to the mayor to decide how many positions to hire for and to give the go ahead to hire, and that it could be next fiscal year. Funny how even up to the last phase of the process there is still no consistency in what we are being told. Guess like others said just have to wait and see.
wilson247
10-08-2007, 08:06 PM
I'm not 100% on this but I was under the assumption ( I know that's dangerous) that if you made the "Outstanding List" you're on the "list to hire" or should I say the "list to hire from". It is also my understanding that this list is good for 3 years, maybe it's 2 years now. So if you were told that you're on the list to hire, my guess is that they were patronizing you. That is only my opinion. Again, I realize the problem with assuming, but I'm just going with my gut and from a few people in this forum that seem to have a better understanding of this process than me. When you get the call or the letter or the e-mail, then you'll know for sure.
SgtScott31
10-09-2007, 12:15 AM
They probably know who they are already going to hire, regardless of the "list."
My advise is to not fret too much about what you scored. If they want you, they will hire you.
nwadler
10-10-2007, 07:30 PM
The people at nashville fire are very friendly and the interview was relatively laid back. According to them there has been only about 400 or so people who showed up for the interview but cannot confirm nor deny the numbers. Anyone who interviewed will be on the list I assume which is always dangerous. The list is good for two years but they said they will most likely extend it an additional year. Now its time to sit back and relax until the results come out and then the letters. Best of luck to everyone who interviewed. Look forward to hopefully working with you one day.
Firefighter113
10-14-2007, 12:13 AM
Ok, lets start guessing.... I agree with the figures on the interviews performed between Nov.24th and Oct.10th. I was told at the interview, they had scheduled 680 interviews, so that puts us in that ball park. So lets go with the 680 interviews scheduled. I know for a fact, not all candidates will show for the interviews. ( I currently sit on an interview panel with another fire dept.) Some candidates may have moved, gotten another job, or just got frustrated with the hiring process, etc. So I think that could put us at or near the number rumored to have shown up. I think someone posted they heard it was around 400. I would have thought a larger percentage would have shown up, but thats not unrealistic. Ok, so now we are down to 400 on the mysterious "to hire" list. Remember 400 is just a guess based on rumor. The interview panel I am on uses a scoring sheet much like the one you saw the interview panel with in your interview. Did you notice the sheet? It has different categories in which each person on the panel will score you in different areas. For instance you could get 0-5 points for Work related experience, 0-5 points for interpersonnal skills, 0-5 points for professionalism and knowledge of the job, and 0-5 points for appearance and demeanor. (those are just examples, I'm not sure what theres had on them. I'm not that good at reading upside down!) Ok, so lets say you could get a 0-20 possible points on the interview. In our interviews a candidate must get enough points to be still be considered for hire. Lets just say that number is 10. So you would have to get an average of 10 points from each of the interviewers on the panel to remain on the "to hire" list. (I hope this isn't too confusing.) So, not everyone who interviews will still be on the to hire list, only the ones who scored well enough in the interviews. I have a friend who went through the process the last time and he said he was given a cumalative score after the interview which included the interview score also. I was one of the first to interview this time and havent gotten anything as of yet. Ok, lets continue with the guessing... If I had to guess, I would say that approximately 75% of the people who interviewed probably got a score high enough to remain on the list. That would now put the number at around 300. (Remember, purely a guess!) I just talked to a District Chief who said the first round of hiring will be for 20 Firefighters but that the list is good for 2 years. (Guess they changed that from 3 to 2) So if you are lucky, and have the scores, and if they don't hire someone who "knows someone" before you, maybe you will be one of the 20 to get hired. If not, you will be one of the approximately 280 waiting on the list until they get ready to hire again. (Remember, that number will also be smaller when it comes time for them to hire again due to attrition. People moving on to other things, etc.) I also think that the rumor of a class in February sounds realistic, because at the rate this process is moving, and the amount of work before job offers are made, that would be about right. Also, did anyone notice that they asked all the candidates the same questions? Thats because it could be considered "unfair" if you asked one candidate one thing, and another candidate something else. They do have the freedom to ask additional questions based on your answers to the first questions, so the interviews do vary some. Hope this helps and doesn't lead to more confustion. Goodluck to all.
NotYourFF09
10-14-2007, 12:53 PM
They probably know who they are already going to hire, regardless of the "list."
My advise is to not fret too much about what you scored. If they want you, they will hire you.
Congratulations to every one who has made it this far in the process.
wilson247
10-14-2007, 02:01 PM
You're speculating, not to mention obsessing. That's OK, not helpful, but OK. I feel you man, I really do, but that's a whole lot of "what ifs". We've done all we can do to get to this point. It's out of our hands.
gameradio
10-15-2007, 11:26 AM
When i was in line waiting to start my physial test, i was talking to the firefighter that was escorting me through, and he said that your name will go on a list for 3 years depending on how well you do on the interviews.
farkingfireman
10-15-2007, 12:56 PM
Does anyone know what the highest number an interview personnel could give?
FFPE99
10-15-2007, 05:56 PM
I was told in my interview that the first class PROBABLY won't start until spring. They also said that the list was good for 2 yrs. with and extension of up to 1 yr. (3yrs. total) The interview score will not affect your rank but it can help your chances of getting a position. Obviously if two people have the same rank, the person who did better in the interview will get the job.
Leatherlung1
10-15-2007, 07:56 PM
After talking to some of the people who interviewed I was left with more questions?
As I was being escorted to the interview room I was told that I was on the "Chief's Interview Board".
At the end of my interview I was told that I was on the "To Be Hired List" and that if I did not make it in this first class I would make it in the second or third class.
I found out that the people who were interviewed by the "Chief's Board" were the people who they already wanted to hire.
I thought it was a little crazy that at the end of the interview without any deliberation they told me that I was on the To Be Hired list. And I was not the only person that was told this. If you were interviewed by that board and did not royally screw up your interview you were already going to be hired. They projected the number of people they are going to hire for the life of the list and that many people were interviewed by the Chief's interview board. The rest of the interviewees would be rank acording to score and if they needed more than thier projected number they would pull from the ranked list. Congratulations to every one who has made it this far in the process.
What do you mean by "Chief's Board"? Were there two different boards? How are they going to know whos going to be hired before the interviews? Thats what a interview is for. I was told that everyone who passed this step was to be placed on "the LIST" not the "To Be Hired List".
wilson247
10-15-2007, 08:55 PM
Bravo Sierra. I think there was some miscommunication there. So take the advice of some of the other guys here and don't get your hopes up. If they really had some sort of system like that going, do you think that they would be sharing that information with "Joe Candidate"? No way. Can you say "discrimination"? How about "lawsuit"? I'm not trying to be an a## here but you're going to get a lot of people fired up for no reason. It's out of our hands now. Be patient and when you get the letter or phone call or smoke signals or whatever, then you know. Until then, try not to read into it to deep. Just a thought.
Leatherlung1
10-15-2007, 10:44 PM
Yea, I'm not trying to be Daddy Downer but there are still a couple steps to go until they say your hired. Like a Polygraph test which eliminates alot of people to start with and on top of that a medical physical. So for the "Chiefs Board" to say to you that your hired is just, well funny. I just hope you didn't go home and tell Mommy and Daddy to start making the cake just yet.
wilson247
10-15-2007, 11:04 PM
Yea, I'm not trying to be Daddy Downer but there are still a couple steps to go until they say your hired. Like a Polygraph test which eliminates alot of people to start with and on top of that a medical physical. So for the "Chiefs Board" to say to you that your hired is just, well funny. I just hope you didn't go home and tell Mommy and Daddy to start making the cake just yet.
Hey, speaking of Polygraph Tests. I interviewed on the 9th and when I was waiting to be taken back. I was sitting in a room with 3 other candidates and a District Chief whose name I'll not mention here. This Chief said that they longer do a Polygraph Test and went on to name a few reasons why, one of them being its not admissible in court. He said that the next step from here would be a drug test ( if you're selected of course ). A while back I posted about a friend of mine that was trying to get on with Metro PD and he had to take a CVSA ( computer voice stress analysis ). The Chief never said anything about this, but I wonder if that's what they'll be giving instead of the polygraph. I can't imagine them not doing something like that. Anyway...
NotYourFF09
10-16-2007, 08:17 AM
Bravo Sierra. I think there was some miscommunication there. So take the advice of some of the other guys here and don't get your hopes up. If they really had some sort of system like that going, do you think that they would be sharing that information with "Joe Candidate"? No way. Can you say "discrimination"? How about "lawsuit"? I'm not trying to be an a## here but you're going to get a lot of people fired up for no reason. It's out of our hands now. Be patient and when you get the letter or phone call or smoke signals or whatever, then you know. Until then, try not to read into it to deep. Just a thought.
Don't get your panties in a bunch. I did not say who was on that board, you may have interviewed on their board I don't know. For a big city department like this one you are either the luck of the draw you know the right person. As far as discrimination, they have to choose who they want to hire. They can't take everyone. For those who are competing for the luck of the draw, if you did not come to the interview with your "A" game then you probably will not be hired. If you were in and out of there in 5 mins do you really believe that you left that interview with the panel "smoking the proverbial cigarette"? How much time did you spend preparing for the interview? Did you take classes, get some books on interviews, practice with mock interviews at a Fire Station, or did you just figure I'll go in there and something will come out, I'm good on my feet? Did you score a 10 out of a 10 on the writen and physical? Were you really at the top of your game? If you don't get hired, don't go making excuses, look at yourself and see what part of the process you did not bring your "A" game and fix it for next time.
firebicho
10-16-2007, 12:01 PM
what about minority?, i `ve heard thats what they are looking for this time around, so that takes me out!,again, it`s that true, does anyone know?
wilson247
10-16-2007, 09:36 PM
what about minority?, i `ve heard thats what they are looking for this time around, so that takes me out!,again, it`s that true, does anyone know?
A lot of people have heard a lot of things. You'll know when Metro HR contacts you.
Firefighter113
10-16-2007, 09:40 PM
The minority and sex of new hires is always an issue. They won't tell you it is, but we all know it is. If your like most of us, you are probably asking If its equal opportunity then why don't I have an equal shot? Thats because most metropolitan / government agencies catch alot of heat from elected officials to have a "diverse working environment". If you had 100 workers, they would strive for 50% male / 50% female. 25 % hispanic, 25 % african american, 25 % caucasion, and 25% other. I'm sure you get the point. The unfortunate truth is, firefighting is a predominately male profession so they are always going to be looking for qualified females to get the numbers up and so the "books" look more diverse. We also live in the south where our social makeup is predominately caucasion, so guess what... They will always be tying to hire a larger percentage of minorities to even out the numbers. I guess sometimes it just sucks to be in the majority.
wilson247
10-16-2007, 10:16 PM
"A total of 319 new employees have been hired, the majority (285) of which were assigned to line operating, front line emergency service (Fire Fighters, Emergency Medical Technicians and Paramedics). Thirty five percent of new positions hired went to minorities and women." This is from 1999-2007, Bill Purcell's reign.
That means out of 285 people hired 99.75 were minorities and women. That's nothing to write home about. Let's not panic yet.
dsmns27
10-17-2007, 05:46 PM
Curious as to know who will actually pick applicants from the so called list for the position. The chief, hr, training academy instructors, etc. From what im hearing it doesnt matter your final place on the list its who gets picked. If this is the case then who does the picking. I thought it odd that the training instructors were not involved in the interview process. Other departments i have interviewed at i was intreviewed by a panel consisting of mostly the traiining facility instructors and a representative from hr. Just too add the the post regarding majority of class being minority. I too heard from a recently retired battalion chief and member of local iaff that the upcoming class will mostly be minorities and political hires. For those that are goin to ask. A political hire is for example. A councilman that has a nephew, or golf buddy's son, that is tring to get in. Councilman will push for their hire and fd members know that councilmen decide there budget. That is my interpretation of a political hire. If what the chief told me is true then that means your position on the list does not matter the spots for the class or picked, back to my original question then who does the picking. Before i get some smartbutt response back from someone. I am just speculating about the process from what i have seen and been told like everyone else on here. Good luck to all.
nwadler
10-17-2007, 07:11 PM
It may have been a smoke screen or what ever you want to call it, but according to a battalion chief and another chief in the room the hiring will go like this. According to them the head chief of the department makes the decision and does not take into account any political pull a person may have. I figure just wait and see and if the letter comes in the first class then great if not oh well keep trying.
Tnfiremedic
10-18-2007, 04:07 AM
According to them the head chief of the department makes the decision and does not take into account any political pull a person may have.
I got some swamp land in Nevada for sale.
nwadler
10-18-2007, 09:08 AM
I never said that I fully believe that line of information but that was said. As I said before I will just wait and see what happens and if the letter comes then fine, if not then it is not skin off my back. They day that fire hiring has no political involvement will be be a cold day in hell.
wilson247
10-19-2007, 12:39 AM
[QUOTE=NotYourFF09;875501]Don't get your panties in a bunch. I did not say who was on that board, you may have interviewed on their board I don't know. For a big city department like this one you are either the luck of the draw you know the right person. As far as discrimination, they have to choose who they want to hire. They can't take everyone. For those who are competing for the luck of the draw, if you did not come to the interview with your "A" game then you probably will not be hired. If you were in and out of there in less than 10 mins do you really believe that you left that interview with the panel "smoking the proverbial cigarette"? How much time did you spend preparing for the interview? Did you take classes, get some books on interviews, practice with mock interviews at a Fire Station, or did you just figure I'll go in there and something will come out, I'm good on my feet? Did you score a 10 out of a 10 on the writen and physical? Were you really at the top of your game? If you don't get hired, don't go making excuses, look at yourself and see what part of the process you did not bring your "A" game and fix it for next time.
If you think for one minute that anyone is being hired by "luck of the draw" you are out of your mind. As for discrimination, why do you think they asked the same questions to everyone? I did prepare for my interview. I didn't do a mock interview at a Fire Station, did you? Do you think it gave you an edge? I got a 9 out of 10, and yeah I played a pretty good game that day. I'm not the best in front of a bunch of strangers, but I did something right because my 3 questions went really well, there was friendly conversation, joking, laughing, and they all showed interest in my past experience by asking me questions that were not on their list. They even told me "You did good" before I left. What does all that mean? Nothing, but don't try to BS someone into thinking that if their interview only lasted 10 minutes that it couldn't be good enough. That panel has you sized up in a matter of seconds, so flapping your lips about yourself more than they need or want to hear isn't helping you at all. If your interview went for longer than 10 or 15 minutes, it's probably because you wouldn't stop talking and asking them questions. So don't come in here talking up some crap like you know that you're going to get hired and the rest of us are just wasting our time hoping for the "luck of the draw". If you know that you've already made it, what are doing here sniffing around trying to find out what's going on with the rest of us "luck of the draw" people. Why would you care? If you know someone, good for you, but that's no guarantee either, and personally if I thought I had an inside track, I wouldn't go around acting like I've got a guaranteed spot. Karma is a bitch. I'm not making excuses why I might not get hired. I have done my best and it is well with my soul. I am not intimidated by you or anyone else in the running. I wish everyone could get hired, including you, but I know that won't happen. I do know that X number of people will be hired soon and I can assure you that "luck" will play no part in it. Everyone that gets hired will be hired on purpose. We may not agree that those who get hired are the ones that we would have picked if it were up to us, but they will be hired on purpose. It may not be because of their interview, it may not be because thay had the highest test scores, but I can assure you that they didn't come out and tell the "chosen ones" at the beginning of the interview that they were already hired. You wanted to hear that, hell, who wouldn't want to hear that, but it just doesn't work that way. Sit back, relax, and wait. Man, I don't mean any offense, but what you're saying just don't make sense.
dsmns27
10-19-2007, 11:54 AM
Very interesting article and encouragement on hiring on todays training content article on main page. Titled: Are You The "Best Fit" For The Fire Department?
Previous experience, education does not make you a qualified candidate
By: Steve Prziborowski.
Offers other,s trials/tribulations and finally success in the hiring process for large metro and small departments.
You have to be in the members zone to read the whole article, which is only 3.95 for a month or 7.95 for a quarter. The article is worth it. Check it out
NotYourFF09
10-19-2007, 04:26 PM
[QUOTE=wilson247;876759 If you think for one minute that anyone is being hired by "luck of the draw" you are out of your mind. As for discrimination, why do you think they asked the same questions to everyone? I did prepare for my interview. I didn't do a mock interview at a Fire Station, did you? Do you think it gave you an edge? And b I got a 9 out of 10, and yeah I played a pretty good game that day. I'm not the best in front of a bunch of strangers, but I did something right because my 3 questions went really well, there was friendly conversation, joking, laughing, and they all showed interest in my past experience by asking me questions that were not on their list. They even told me "You did good" before I left. What does all that mean? Nothing, but don't try to BS someone into thinking that if their interview only lasted 10 minutes that it couldn't be good enough. That panel has you sized up in a matter of seconds, so flapping your lips about yourself more than they need or want to hear isn't helping you at all. If your interview went for longer than 10 or 15 minutes, it's probably because you wouldn't stop talking and asking them questions. So don't come in here talking up some crap like you know that you're going to get hired and the rest of us are just wasting our time hoping for the "luck of the draw". If you know that you've already made it, what are doing here sniffing around trying to find out what's going on with the rest of us "luck of the draw" people. Why would you care? If you know someone, good for you, but that's no guarantee either, and personally if I thought I had an inside track, I wouldn't go around acting like I've got a guaranteed spot. Karma is a bitch. I'm not making excuses why I might not get hired. I have done my best and it is well with my soul. I am not intimidated by you or anyone else in the running. I wish everyone could get hired, including you, but I know that won't happen. I do know that X number of people will be hired soon and I can assure you that "luck" will play no part in it. Everyone that gets hired will be hired on purpose. We may not agree that those who get hired are the ones that we would have picked if it were up to us, but they will be hired on purpose. It may not be because of their interview, it may not be because thay had the highest test scores, but I can assure you that they didn't come out and tell the "chosen ones" at the beginning of the interview that they were already hired. You wanted to hear that, hell, who wouldn't want to hear that, but it just doesn't work that way. Sit back, relax, and wait. Man, I don't mean any offense, but what you're saying just don't make sense.[/QUOTE]
I apoligize S. Wilson you seem to know way more about this process than me. This was my first rodeo. Thank you for all of your helpfull insight on this forum. Your information has been dead on. I guess that's what I get for asking people who have no idea what the heck is going on. Once again congrats to all who have made it this far.
wilson247
10-22-2007, 04:55 PM
I don't claim to know anymore about this process than anyone else. Besides my comments are not about the process itself. They are about the information you posted. No one else has posted anything like what you claimed to have happened in your interview.I am not the only one here that feels this way about what you said. My posts reflect my opinion and I have been wrong before, but I believe you are mistaken. I think you may have misunderstood what was said. That's all I have to say. Sorry if I have offended you.
derekm2j
10-28-2007, 06:09 PM
I have a friend who is on the department and i asked him to let me know when he heard something. He said that it came down from his chief that they are going to hire 39 next week for a class to start on feb. 9. He also said that they are working on some kind of grant, so if they get that they will hire another 40 or so some time next year. Hope this helps.
firebicho
10-28-2007, 09:02 PM
has anyone heard anything from NFD? any news? anything happening?
Titaniac
10-29-2007, 12:15 AM
For the rest of us who didn't sit on the captian's interview, and are looking for any kind of R&S to help our chances...number might be higher now in terms of class size, on into the 20's, and may increase depending on retirements and money-of course. At this point anything that would help my odds, I'll take. Again, just R&S, that's why the board is here, so don't go getting your panties in a wad.
Tnfiremedic
10-29-2007, 04:04 AM
Forms were handed in 2 wks ago from EMS people that wanted to swap over to Fire.
firebicho
10-29-2007, 01:10 PM
what about ems? are they going to hire anytime soon?
dsmns27
10-29-2007, 07:26 PM
Forms were handed in 2 wks ago from EMS people that wanted to swap over to Fire.
I was told they were no longer going to do the ems crosstraining. That ems that wanted to work in suppression must follow the civil service testing process like everyone else and be selected. Its only fair. That if the person that the iaff and nfd endorsed for mayor was elected he was going to make some changes in administration, mainly b/c of this reason, but again my source may be telling me something different from what others are being told.
NotYourFF09
10-29-2007, 10:04 PM
Here is the deal. Right now they are going to offer 39 people tenative positions and move them along to the next step. They offically have 29 positions but they are going to take 39 because some won't make it thru the backround checks and all the other pre employment stuff. They will be sending out letters within a couple of weeks. Before the academy starts they may have more positions open up so if you don't get an offer don't get discouraged. Thats what I know right now.
I'm sure Wilson24/7 is going to say I'm wrong and is going to tell us what's really going on, so I cant wait to hear what Shane has to say.
Tnfiremedic
10-30-2007, 01:41 AM
Maybe so, but the current mayor elected was not endorsed by the NFD or IAFF. So, now you know, the NFD is still good old boys promoting good old boys instead of thinking outside the box. I just pass the info as I get it in a timely manner. I could have told ya'll 2 wks ago, but decided to wait until several people let it out to make sure. Didn't say the list will be excepted, just that forms were handed in.
And if some EMS people swap over, there will probably be a "hire" list made for that. Two or three more static units have been added, and I don't think they will shut them down.
SgtScott31
10-30-2007, 10:24 AM
I was told they were no longer going to do the ems crosstraining. That ems that wanted to work in suppression must follow the civil service testing process like everyone else and be selected. Its only fair. That if the person that the iaff and nfd endorsed for mayor was elected he was going to make some changes in administration, mainly b/c of this reason, but again my source may be telling me something different from what others are being told.
I would be very surprised if they stopped allowing their own EMS personnel to move over to fire suppression. After all, it's easier to bring over a paramedic in-house and create an ALS engine company. They know who the paramedic is, their job performance/history, and do not have to create a new employee (benefits, salary, etc).
farkingfireman
10-30-2007, 01:32 PM
Has anyone come up with an answer to what the highest score possible each interviewer was able to give? I saw a couple of my scores and curious.
I would imagine there are pre-hiring procedures and tests, such as physical, sight, hearing, blood, etc. Any ideas or any current NFD personnel want to talk about their pre-hiring processes?
FFPE99
10-30-2007, 04:43 PM
Here is the deal. Right now they are going to offer 39 people tenative positions and move them along to the next step. They offically have 29 positions but they are going to take 39 because some won't make it thru the backround checks and all the other pre employment stuff. They will be sending out letters within a couple of weeks. Before the academy starts they may have more positions open up so if you don't get an offer don't get discouraged. Thats what I know right now.
I'm sure Wilson24/7 is going to say I'm wrong and is going to tell us what's really going on, so I cant wait to hear what Shane has to say.
How do you know this?
FFPE99
10-30-2007, 06:40 PM
Here is the deal. Right now they are going to offer 39 people tenative positions and move them along to the next step. They offically have 29 positions but they are going to take 39 because some won't make it thru the backround checks and all the other pre employment stuff. They will be sending out letters within a couple of weeks. Before the academy starts they may have more positions open up so if you don't get an offer don't get discouraged. Thats what I know right now.
I'm sure Wilson24/7 is going to say I'm wrong and is going to tell us what's really going on, so I cant wait to hear what Shane has to say.
How do you know this?
wilson247
10-30-2007, 07:03 PM
Here is the deal. Right now they are going to offer 39 people tenative positions and move them along to the next step. They offically have 29 positions but they are going to take 39 because some won't make it thru the backround checks and all the other pre employment stuff. They will be sending out letters within a couple of weeks. Before the academy starts they may have more positions open up so if you don't get an offer don't get discouraged. Thats what I know right now.
I'm sure Wilson24/7 is going to say I'm wrong and is going to tell us what's really going on, so I cant wait to hear what Shane has to say.
My name isn't Shane, and I have nothing else to say other than I hope this information you've posted is accurate, because I, like everyone else here, am ready to hear something concrete. Sorry, but you've got the wrong guy.
TnFireCop
10-31-2007, 09:52 PM
I just confirmed the rumor floating around about letters coming soon. I talked to a friend of mine who works with Metro HR. I was told that the list has been compiled and they plan to mail 20-25 letters within the next few weeks. When he asked, the person with the list wouldn't commit to a mail date but it should be soon. He also said that he was told that if you aren't on the list this time, it will probably be 9 months to a year before the appropriations are in place to make job offers again. Good luck to all! I'm sure we will all be looking for a letter.....
nwadler
11-01-2007, 11:07 AM
if they are planning on hiring people then where is the list of what our ranking is?
firebicho
11-02-2007, 09:48 PM
anyways, is there any clue on when the academy is to start?, for the lucky ones that get it...
derekm2j
11-02-2007, 11:23 PM
a little bird told me february 9
FFPE99
11-03-2007, 04:05 PM
anyways, is there any clue on when the academy is to start?, for the lucky ones that get it...
Interviewers told me probably not until spring
TnFireCop
11-05-2007, 12:48 AM
I talked to a guy I know with Metro FD and he has heard there is an Academy scheduled for February 12th. He also said the rumor he heard was 35 to be hired now and that the Chief was working on the appropriations to hire an additional 80 firefighters. Remember, I am just telling you what was told to me. I can not confirm any of this. There are so many different rumors out there, I just thought I would give you what I have heard and then you can pick which ones you choose to believe. Again, goodluck to all.
wilson247
11-05-2007, 05:28 PM
I heard from an Metro FD employee that they were hiring 19. That makes no sense to me, I'm hoping it is just a rumor. I've also heard that they were going to hire 20 initially and 60 after something magical takes place, who knows!
nwadler
11-05-2007, 10:43 PM
So how do we find out where we are on the list. Aren't they going to publish a list before letters go out?