Abolish bilingual education, Gingrich urges

[DrParasite]

Abolish bilingual education, Gingrich urges
POSTED: 10:50 p.m. EDT, March 31, 2007
Story Highlights
• Newt Gingrich equates bilingual education with "language of living in a ghetto"
• Former House speaker says election ballots should be in English only
• Bilingual teaching advocate calls speech "hateful"
• Peter Zamora says immigrants don't resist learning English

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich equated bilingual education Saturday with "the language of living in a ghetto" and mocked requirements that ballots be printed in multiple languages.

"The government should quit mandating that various documents be printed in any one of 700 languages depending on who randomly shows up" to vote, said Gingrich, who is considering seeking the Republican presidential nomination in 2008. He made the comments in a speech to the National Federation of Republican Women.

"The American people believe English should be the official language of the government. ... We should replace bilingual education with immersion in English so people learn the common language of the country and they learn the language of prosperity, not the language of living in a ghetto," Gingrich said to cheers from the crowd of more than 100.

"Citizenship requires passing a test on American history in English. If that's true, then we do not have to create ballots in any language except English," he said.

Peter Zamora, co-chair of the Washington-based Hispanic Education Coalition, which supports bilingual education, said, "The tone of his comments were very hateful. Spanish is spoken by many individuals who do not live in the ghetto."

He said research has shown "that bilingual education is the best method of teaching English to non-English speakers."

Spanish-speakers, Zamora said, know they need to learn English.

"There's no resistance to learning English, really, among immigrants, among native-born citizens," he said. "Everyone wants to learn English because it's what you need to thrive in this country."

In the past, Gingrich has supported making English the nation's official language. He's also said all American children should learn English and that other languages should be secondary in schools.

In 1995, for example, he said bilingualism poses "long-term dangers to the fabric of our nation" and that "allowing bilingualism to continue to grow is very dangerous."

Bilingual programs teach students reading, arithmetic and other basic skills in their native language so they do not fall behind while mastering English.

On voting, federal law requires districts with large populations of non-English speakers to print ballots in multiple languages.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/03/31/gingrich.bilingual.ap/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

[emt161]

Road signs are in one language, so why is the driver's test in 20-something?

Uh oh, here comes Snozzle and SC to tell me how racist I am, since they know so much about me.

[scfire86]

I give Gingrich all the attention he deserves.

[FyredUp]

The great "Melting Pot" debate rears its ugly head again.

When my Grandparents came to this country in the 1920's they spoke Italian. They were smart enough to know if they ever wanted to truly succeed and make it out of the Italian speaking only neighborhoods they needed to learn to speak English. Once they did they could essentially go anywhere and be anything they had the talents to be. Their kids were raised speaking and reading and writing English. This was simply the best way for any immigrant to become a prosperous member of society.

Today we have a few people that still subscribe to the melting pot theory and more that subscribe to the lets go to America for all that is good but simply refuse to learn the majority language of this country. I am not at all suggesting that people give up their language or their heritage or their customs. They have every right to practice all three but not in the workplace. But I, as a consumer OR a potential employer, have every right to believe that since English is the majority language that people taking care of me or working for me will be able to speak English.

It would be hypocritical of me to turn this into an anti immigration issue since I am only second generation in my family born in this country. It isn't about that at all. Its about becoming a real citizen of the country you decide to reside in.

FyredUp

[Dalmatian190]

We'd be far better served if the businesses stopped having "Press 1 for..." and bilingual signs in the stores.

It's pretty basic, if you want to get a point across in America...you hit people in the wallet.

Fortunately, if you look up the word "Unelectable" in a dictionary, there's two pictures next to it -- Hillary & Gingrich. Many of Gingrich's ideas are good, but he also goes off tilting at windmills at times, and most importantly continues to fail to live up to his own standards (not talking about living and learning, we're talking about knowing and doing). Nominate those two, and someone could roll out H. Ross Perot drolling and strapped into a wheelchair in June and he'd become President.

Bilingual education should be replaced instead with an immersion program to get the students up to speed in English in a year then into their normal school programs.

[scfire86]

The President's mom and dad (http://users.rcn.com/crawj/langpol/boombust.htm) are opposed to this concept.

Excerpt:

Even President Bush opposed the idea; in a television interview his wife, Barbara, condemned it as “a racial slur.”

[tomwnh]

The President's mom and dad (http://users.rcn.com/crawj/langpol/boombust.htm) are opposed to this concept.

Excerpt:

Even President Bush opposed the idea; in a television interview his wife, Barbara, condemned it as “a racial slur.”

I would love to see the full text where you took that quote from. Anyone can take one sentence from any interview out of context and apply it as they wish later. Not say you did but there is no way for me to tell without more.

[ThNozzleman]

Bilingual education should be replaced instead with an immersion program to get the students up to speed in English in a year then into their normal school programs.
Umm...how are teachers going to teach English to them if they don't know Spanish? You must have bilingual teachers to teach them anything, especially English.
This is just another right wing whipping boy that's brought up as a talking point over and over again. It means nothing. Anyone who gets worked up over signs and auto operators that read and speak different languages has too much time on their hands. Get over it, already crybabies. :rolleyes:

[emt161]

No there's something you don't see everyday- a liberal calling somebody ELSE a crybaby.

But at least since he went straight to the namecalling, we know for sure that he has no supportable response and can be safely ignored. :D

[emt161]

The President's mom and dad (http://users.rcn.com/crawj/langpol/boombust.htm) are opposed to this concept.

Excerpt:

Even President Bush opposed the idea; in a television interview his wife, Barbara, condemned it as “a racial slur.”

But by following the context of the article leading up to that point, we can see that the President could hardly come out in favor of English-only policies when their biggest champion had just been excoriated by the revelation of a memo with racist overtones.

"Nowhere was the damage more evident than in Arizona, where editorial cartoons linked English-only proponents to Nazis and Klansmen."

Even if he privately supported English-only, do you really expect a first-term President to tie himself to THAT? Politicians will, after all, be politicians.

[ThNozzleman]

But at least since he went straight to the namecalling, we know for sure that he has no supportable response and can be safely ignored.
Don't want to be called a baby? Then quit whining about street signs and having to push one for English. :rolleyes:

[ThNozzleman]

No there's something you don't see everyday- a liberal calling somebody ELSE a crybaby.
Right. Count the posts started on these forums by righties whining about one thing or the other...then compare them to the ones started by liberals. You guys are hands-down the biggest whiners in the world.

[BFDNJFF]

The great "Melting Pot" debate rears its ugly head again.

When my Grandparents came to this country in the 1920's they spoke Italian. They were smart enough to know if they ever wanted to truly succeed and make it out of the Italian speaking only neighborhoods they needed to learn to speak English. Once they did they could essentially go anywhere and be anything they had the talents to be. Their kids were raised speaking and reading and writing English. This was simply the best way for any immigrant to become a prosperous member of society.

Today we have a few people that still subscribe to the melting pot theory and more that subscribe to the lets go to America for all that is good but simply refuse to learn the majority language of this country. I am not at all suggesting that people give up their language or their heritage or their customs. They have every right to practice all three but not in the workplace. But I, as a consumer OR a potential employer, have every right to believe that since English is the majority language that people taking care of me or working for me will be able to speak English.

It would be hypocritical of me to turn this into an anti immigration issue since I am only second generation in my family born in this country. It isn't about that at all. Its about becoming a real citizen of the country you decide to reside in.

FyredUp

Couldn't agree more ! My father and his parents also immigrated from Italy. Your story sounds familiar LOL . 1st generation born here myself.

[FireDoc99]

If you have you would probably support the English only idea. Your one week vacation does not count!

In 23 years of military service I learned one thing very quickly.

When you are in someone elses country you play by their rules. If you want your kids to be taught in English, they go to school at a DOD school. Otherwise, your kids adapt to the local culture. They damn sure are not going to rearrange their country for you!

Bottom Line: If you voluntarily move to another country, you voluntarily agree to play by their rules. That includes using their language.

Last time I checked they didn't pass any special laws foe me in Italy, El Salvador, Bosnia or Iraq while I was there. I had to adapt to their language and customs. This is not a hard concept.

Yes, they do need bilingual teachers to teach english. The issue comes when they let kids graduate from a U.S. school when they can't speak english.

I am all for anyone who has the dream and determination to come to the U.S. to take advantage of what we offer, as long as the play by the rules in the process. But, if we played the game like the rest of the world, you come to our home field - you play by our rules, then it would not be an issue.

Just because you support conservation it does not automatically make you a radical tree hugger. Likewise, if you move to our country is does not automatically give you the right to expect us to change our way of life and rearrange the country to accomodate you.

What those prompts on the phone should say are:

Press 1 to hear this message in english.

Press 2 to be put on hold till your learn english

[FireDoc99]

But by following the context of the article leading up to that point, we can see that the President could hardly come out in favor of English-only policies when their biggest champion had just been excoriated by the revelation of a memo with racist overtones.

"Nowhere was the damage more evident than in Arizona, where editorial cartoons linked English-only proponents to Nazis and Klansmen."

Even if he privately supported English-only, do you really expect a first-term President to tie himself to THAT? Politicians will, after all, be politicians.

Of course Bush won't support it. It would put a dent in NAFTA and his vision for immigration reform. Then not only would we have a president contradicting himself but you would have to listen to the left wing, I can hear them now:

"What? We are really glad you opened the borders and moved all of our industrial base to foriegn countries but your gonna make them speak english when they live here? That's cruel and un-American......"

WAH-WAH-WAH

[DrParasite]

Umm...how are teachers going to teach English to them if they don't know Spanish? You must have bilingual teachers to teach them anything, especially English.
This is just another right wing whipping boy that's brought up as a talking point over and over again. It means nothing. Anyone who gets worked up over signs and auto operators that read and speak different languages has too much time on their hands. Get over it, already crybabies. :rolleyes:ummm, no one has said a person shouldn't or can't be bilingual. in fact, being bi-lingual is great, especially when you go to a foreign nation so you can communicate in their language.

The issue is that everyone should be able to speak English. If a person can speak french, spanish, italian, german, korean, good for them, provided they can still communicate in English.

btw for those that say Pres. Bush was against it, that's not entirely accurate. He and his wife thought the memo that was circulated (in the web link) contained a reference that was construed as a racist slur, but they didn't say the idea was bad. nothing like taking something out of context to push a point across.

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

No there's something you don't see everyday- a liberal calling somebody ELSE a crybaby.

But at least since he went straight to the namecalling, we know for sure that he has no supportable response and can be safely ignored. :D

Nozz rarely has a supportable response for anything on here. Ask him how he's doing with getting the proof that the Iraq War is over oil.

[scfire86]

Even if he privately supported English-only, do you really expect a first-term President to tie himself to THAT? Politicians will, after all, be politicians.
Really??!!?? Because we have been told by numerous presidential supporters that Bush's decisions aren't poll driven. That he makes decisions based upon what is the right thing to do.

Glad to see you admit that isn't true.

[dustinlevengood]

Umm...how are teachers going to teach English to them if they don't know Spanish? You must have bilingual teachers to teach them anything, especially English.
This is just another right wing whipping boy that's brought up as a talking point over and over again. It means nothing. Anyone who gets worked up over signs and auto operators that read and speak different languages has too much time on their hands. Get over it, already crybabies. :rolleyes:

Have you ever lived in an area where the majority doesn't speak english, roll on any calls lately where you can't assess a pt because all he can say is "hi how are you", and "no english, only espanol". You live in a town with barely 8 thousand people, try doing a little time out here in so cal, or any area where there is mass amounts of illegal aliens and non english speaking people, and it wont be too long before you join the ranks of the "crybabies" who want it so EVERYONE can speak english. It's more then just a convienence for us, it's a safety issue for them and us especially in our field. I too am a 2nd gen american and you can be damned sure my grandparents learned english before they came to this country. The way I see it, you left your country for a reason right? What reason? Because despite all of it's faults the good ol' U S of A is better then where ever it is you came from, so shouldn't you want to learn the culture and the language, shouldn't you want to leave behind the crap that you left behind. If you loved your homeland so much that you dont feel the need to learn the language here, maybe your homeland is where you should return.

[doughesson]

How is it racist to expect people to learn the language of a nation when they move there to settle?
In France,you have to learn French and that doesn't guarantee you'll ever get a cab or what you wanted from the menu to eat.
In Japan,I am told that gajin(usually softly translated as"foreigners") are required to learn Japanese in school and for the workplace.The only places English is spoken at work is the air traffic control tower and for Japanese schoolkids destined for international business.
As to it being racist,well my family is of Scottish descent.It's hard for me to keep a learned language unless I use it daily.Do you think anyone would be helped with me trying to remember anything after tellling someone"Soy bombero y paramedico"?("I am a firefighter/EMT")and then having to flip through a English/Spanish dictionary to ask them what the problem is and how long they've had it?

The President's mom and dad (http://users.rcn.com/crawj/langpol/boombust.htm) are opposed to this concept.

Excerpt:

Even President Bush opposed the idea; in a television interview his wife, Barbara, condemned it as “a racial slur.”

[FireDawgEMT22]

Dont forget the hispanics who feel the National Anthem needs to be written in Spanish for them. When the hell are we as a country going to get rid of this godblessed Political Correctness. If someones feelings get hurt because of something you do, then tell them to get over it. I am tired of having our country change this and that for non english speakers, for illegal aliens, you name it. The ACLU is probably one of the biggest pushes for this crap. For those of you who dont know the ACLU is a COMMUNIST party. The ACP (American Communist Party) formed the ACLU to push their ideals and beliefs into mainstream america. The former president of the ACP said the ACLU will act as a transmission belt for the ACP. Lets go back to the good ole Kick A$$ US of A and forget about whos feelings get hurt in the process. As we all grew up our parents always told us, "Life isnt fair" well obviously the tides have changed. If you feel you arent being treated fairly, you can sue them. So do we tell our kids now "If life isnt fair, get a lawyer and sue it to get rich"??????

[ThNozzleman]

Lets go back to the good ole Kick A$$ US of A and forget about whos feelings get hurt in the process.
Feelings hurt?? You're the one whining. :rolleyes:

[ThNozzleman]

Have you ever lived in an area where the majority doesn't speak english, roll on any calls lately where you can't assess a pt because all he can say is "hi how are you", and "no english, only espanol". You live in a town with barely 8 thousand people, try doing a little time out here in so cal, or any area where there is mass amounts of illegal aliens and non english speaking people, and it wont be too long before you join the ranks of the "crybabies" who want it so EVERYONE can speak english.
Like I stated to another poster before...you don't know much about East Tennessee, do you? We deal with immigrants quite frequently. It's just one more challenge that comes with the job. I'm sure not going to sit around crying about it.

[FireDawgEMT22]

I'm not whining. I am pissed, yes. I dont feel that we should bend over backwards to make people feel welcome or comfortable. Thats why we make friends...we like being around those people. In all actuallity it is the ones who feel they are due respect and want us to watch everything we say who are whining. "SO and So said this..and i was offended...I want it fixed..." tell em to deal with it and move on...

Secure our borders, shoot to kill anyone not crossing legally, keep tabs on those who cross legally, and if they dont learn english and get a job, and become citizens withing x number of years....shoot to kill...

Should clear up the illegal alien problem rather quickly. and the other than english requiremtns everywhere.

[RFRDxplorer]

I'm not whining. I am pissed, yes. I dont feel that we should bend over backwards to make people feel welcome or comfortable. Thats why we make friends...we like being around those people. In all actuallity it is the ones who feel they are due respect and want us to watch everything we say who are whining. "SO and So said this..and i was offended...I want it fixed..." tell em to deal with it and move on...

Secure our borders, shoot to kill anyone not crossing legally, keep tabs on those who cross legally, and if they dont learn english and get a job, and become citizens withing x number of years....shoot to kill...

Should clear up the illegal alien problem rather quickly. and the other than english requiremtns everywhere.

I couldnt put it any better Gump.

[ThNozzleman]

Secure our borders, shoot to kill anyone not crossing legally, keep tabs on those who cross legally, and if they dont learn english and get a job, and become citizens withing x number of years....shoot to kill...
Oh, jeez; not another one. You gonna join Dickey and HotTrotter in shooting down the women and children, too? :rolleyes:

[MIKEYLIKESIT]

It is interesting to note that Chicago Public Schools are teaching English-Spanish speaking kids to speak Chinese as well.

[MIKEYLIKESIT]

I know there is an illegal alien problem in this country. However, may I ask you heroes if you would personally "shoot to kill" a little child illegally entering the country?

[MIKEYLIKESIT]

Should clear up the illegal alien problem rather quickly. and the other than english requiremtns everywhere.

Does that include spelling words in the English language correctly as well?

[snowball]

Does that include spelling words in the English language correctly as well?

Haw Haw!! yesser yew get that won rite!!:D

[ThNozzleman]

It is interesting to note that Chicago Public Schools are teaching English-Spanish speaking kids to speak Chinese as well.
Really? Maybe they are prepping them to be reps for Walmart!

[emt161]

Really??!!?? Because we have been told by numerous presidential supporters that Bush's decisions aren't poll driven. That he makes decisions based upon what is the right thing to do.

Glad to see you admit that isn't true.

Wrong Bush, smart@$$.

[DrParasite]

It is interesting to note that Chicago Public Schools are teaching English-Spanish speaking kids to speak Chinese as well.why is that interesting? many public schools require students to learn a second language. As long as they speak English, they can learn and teach italian, chinease, korean, indian, and any other language you can think of.

as long as you can communicate in English, anything else is all bonus.

[scfire86]

Wrong Bush, smart@$$.
Both Bush the smarter and Bush the idiot are poll driven. Just like every other politico.

[tomwnh]

L.A. marchers demand immigration rights By PETER PRENGAMAN, Associated Press Writer
2 hours, 49 minutes ago


Thousands of people marched through downtown on Saturday, demanding a way for the country's estimated 12 million illegal immigrants to become citizens and condemning President Bush's latest proposal.

Carrying signs saying "Amnesty Now!" and "Love Thy Neighbor, Don't Deport Him," about 15,000 people danced to Mexican ranchera music, chanted "Si, se puede!" or "It can be done!" and passed large American flags over the crowd.

Many were angry about a White House plan that would grant illegal immigrants work visas but require them to return home to apply for U.S. residency and pay a $10,000 fine.

"Charging that much, Bush is going to be even more expensive than the coyotes," said protester Armando Garcia, 50, referring to smugglers who transport people across the Mexican border.

Immigrant rights advocates say many of the area's illegal immigrants feel betrayed by President Bush, who they had long considered an ally. While illegal immigrants and advocates have long focused their ire at conservative Republicans and Congress, many had seen Bush as an advocate of immigration reform because he had repeatedly said he favors giving many illegal immigrants a path to citizenship.

The White House's draft plan, leaked last week, calls for a new "Z" visa that would allow illegal immigrant workers to apply for three-year work permits. They would be renewable indefinitely, but would cost $3,500 each time.

Then to become legal permanent residents, illegal immigrants would have to return to their home country, apply at a U.S. embassy or consulate to re-enter legally and pay a $10,000 fine.

The proposal has been sharply criticized by Hispanic advocacy groups, Democrats, the Roman Catholic Church and unions that have many immigrants in their ranks. They argue the cost of work permits and the green card application — which could total more than $20,000 — are prohibitive for low-wage earners.

"For my wife and I it would cost about $30,000," said Francisco Gomez, 41, who along with his wife is in the country illegally. "Multiply that by all the illegal immigrants here ... It's obvious Bush just wants to fund his Iraq war with our money."

The plan is far more conservative than the one passed by the Senate last year with bipartisan backing and support from President Bush. That plan would have allowed many of the country's estimated 12 million illegal immigrants to stay in the United States, work and apply to become legal residents after learning English, pay small fines and back taxes and clear a background check.

Many Senate conservatives opposed that plan, and it failed to gain traction in the then Republican-controlled House, which at the end of 2005 passed the punitive immigration reform bill that angered immigrant communities and led to massive protests.

"Last year, we were fighting for legalization, and this year we are fighting for legalization and against all these raids," said Maria Lopez, 50, an illegal immigrant who works as a seamstress and sends $200 a month home to family members in Mexico.

"We have no way to come up with that much money, and Bush knows that," she said. "He is doing this on purpose so we don't ever become legal residents."

[hwoods]

L.A. marchers demand immigration rights By PETER PRENGAMAN, Associated Press Writer
2 hours, 49 minutes ago


Thousands of people marched through downtown on Saturday, demanding a way for the country's estimated 12 million illegal immigrants to become citizens and condemning President Bush's latest proposal.

Carrying signs saying "Amnesty Now!" and "Love Thy Neighbor, Don't Deport Him," about 15,000 people danced to Mexican ranchera music, chanted "Si, se puede!" or "It can be done!" and passed large American flags over the crowd.

Many were angry about a White House plan that would grant illegal immigrants work visas but require them to return home to apply for U.S. residency and pay a $10,000 fine.

"Charging that much, Bush is going to be even more expensive than the coyotes," said protester Armando Garcia, 50, referring to smugglers who transport people across the Mexican border.

Immigrant rights advocates say many of the area's illegal immigrants feel betrayed by President Bush, who they had long considered an ally. While illegal immigrants and advocates have long focused their ire at conservative Republicans and Congress, many had seen Bush as an advocate of immigration reform because he had repeatedly said he favors giving many illegal immigrants a path to citizenship.

The White House's draft plan, leaked last week, calls for a new "Z" visa that would allow illegal immigrant workers to apply for three-year work permits. They would be renewable indefinitely, but would cost $3,500 each time.

Then to become legal permanent residents, illegal immigrants would have to return to their home country, apply at a U.S. embassy or consulate to re-enter legally and pay a $10,000 fine.

The proposal has been sharply criticized by Hispanic advocacy groups, Democrats, the Roman Catholic Church and unions that have many immigrants in their ranks. They argue the cost of work permits and the green card application — which could total more than $20,000 — are prohibitive for low-wage earners.

"For my wife and I it would cost about $30,000," said Francisco Gomez, 41, who along with his wife is in the country illegally. "Multiply that by all the illegal immigrants here ... It's obvious Bush just wants to fund his Iraq war with our money."

The plan is far more conservative than the one passed by the Senate last year with bipartisan backing and support from President Bush. That plan would have allowed many of the country's estimated 12 million illegal immigrants to stay in the United States, work and apply to become legal residents after learning English, pay small fines and back taxes and clear a background check.

Many Senate conservatives opposed that plan, and it failed to gain traction in the then Republican-controlled House, which at the end of 2005 passed the punitive immigration reform bill that angered immigrant communities and led to massive protests.

"Last year, we were fighting for legalization, and this year we are fighting for legalization and against all these raids," said Maria Lopez, 50, an illegal immigrant who works as a seamstress and sends $200 a month home to family members in Mexico.

"We have no way to come up with that much money, and Bush knows that," she said. "He is doing this on purpose so we don't ever become legal residents."

Well.......... Bush is doing something that I agree with?? Wow........
We, the United States Of America, need to have a major adjustment of how our immigration policies are created and amended.

1. English is our first Language. ALL people in this Country over a certain period of time must speak fluent English. Exceptions are those who will leave the Country in a reasonable time. (Students, Diplomats, Etc.)

2. Immigration will be open to those who follow a predetermined procedure in applying to come here, have employment guarantees, etc.

3. Our government will take a hard stand on illegal border crossings, including returning anyone caught at the border to their nation's Police Agency immediately.

4. Increase activities designed to locate and remove those who are in this country illegally.

We also need to create or strengthen laws in other areas that will discourage illegal immigrants.

1. An absolute prohibition on any individual sending money out of the country.

2. Occupancy limits in housing.

3. Require all Signs, Labels, Packaging, Etc. to be printed in English only.

4. Require employers to hire only those who speak English in a manner that will ensure that they can communicate with customers and co-workers without difficulty.

[jasper45]

I really don’t see what the problem is with both regulating and KNOWING who is in our country.
I think everyone with an objective viewpoint will agree that immigration laws need to be changed for the times, and if proper changes are made the problem will diminish itself. However, we do need to seal our borders now for security reasons.
Sealing our borders does not mean shooting border jumpers, but it does mean catching any and all here illegally, and deporting them as they're caught. It also means that when local, or state law enforcement catch an illegal, that agency then turns the law breaker(s) over to INS for deportation.
The issue has nothing to do with bilingual education.

The onus about what language an immigrant should speak has nothing to do with me; I’m not moving to another country in which a different language is spoken. Those ‘immigrants’ chose to enter our country illegal or otherwise and, it is entirely their responsibility to learn English. In no way is it my responsibility to learn Spanish on their account, nor is it my city’s or departments responsibility to provide Spanish speakers, any more than it is for us to provide Russian, Polish, or Greek speakers/signs. We have large pockets of residents who speak those languages as well, yet no one is fighting for signs in their languages.
English is the spoken and accepted language of our country, if you choose to live here and not learn or know English, that is entirely your own problem, and that of no one else.

[FireDawgEMT22]

Man, Woman, or Child. They try and enter illegally, they get stopped. Did anyone ever see the amount of taxes these people dont pay, yet get benefits from???

[ThNozzleman]

Man, Woman, or Child. They try and enter illegally, they get stopped.
Shooting women and children for walking across the border for a better life...you're some kind of man, aren't you?
Punk. :rolleyes:

[jerry4184]

Only in the good ole U S of A, can an illegal immigrant protest to my congressman, and get my laws changed, so they can continue to stay here illegally, and use up my tax dollars.

You want to live here, do it right. It's laughable we have known illegal immigrants protesting to stay here, and at the end of the day, we let them all go home, and continue to live here illegally. When did it become immoral and wrong to ENFORCE the law.

[ruffrydausmc]

This was taken from iTalknews.com Whittier area students from Pioneer, California and Whittier high schools walked out of classes to protest the proposed federal immigration bill March 27, 2006. The protestors put up the Mexican flag over the American flag flying upside down at Montebello High. This is a link to a website that many of you will find interesting. http://www.mmlv.us/newracists.html And Noz, we know what you are trying to do, if you suck their c0ck and tickle their prostate now and help them take over, then maybe they will remember the good "job" you did for them.

[hwoods]

Shooting women and children for walking across the border for a better life...you're some kind of man, aren't you?
Punk. :rolleyes:

Sorry, But just where does he mention shooting anyone. Stopped and Shot are two different things. And I agree, They MUST be stopped.:mad:

[emt161]

"For my wife and I it would cost about $30,000," said Francisco Gomez, 41, who along with his wife is in the country illegally. "Multiply that by all the illegal immigrants here ... It's obvious Bush just wants to fund his Iraq war with our money."

Says who? Maybe it's to provide YOU with the healthcare you came here for in the first place, along with all the other freebies.

You know. Almost like... TAXES.

[Dickey]

I totally agree with the the little white haired gentleman.

English is the only language and ease up on the political correctness.

[MIKEYLIKESIT]

why is that interesting? many public schools require students to learn a second language. As long as they speak English, they can learn and teach italian, chinease, korean, indian, and any other language you can think of.

as long as you can communicate in English, anything else is all bonus.

I thought it was interesting because these kids are tri-lingual. I am sorry if what I posted didnt meet your strict criteria on what rates as interesting. :rolleyes:

[MIKEYLIKESIT]

I'm not whining.

Secure our borders, shoot to kill anyone not crossing legally, keep tabs on those who cross legally, and if they dont learn english and get a job, and become citizens withing x number of years....shoot to kill...

Should clear up the illegal alien problem rather quickly. and the other than english requiremtns everywhere.

There ya go Chief.

[FireDawgEMT22]

well it is a alot better than the border guards now. They see someone cross illegally, what can they do...tell them to stop...if they run..then they cant do anything more. Build the wall keep em out. and be able to stop them if they try and cross, by any means necessary

[FireDawgEMT22]

And the shoot to kill is my way of saying authorize deadly force. those of you who dont know, authorizing deadly force is the use of force that a person knows or should know the use of will or should cause death or great bodily harm, and only employed when all lesser means have failed. Meaning you yell at them to stop, you run them down, you use less than lethal devices, ie taser, pepper spray, and then if none of them works you employ deadly force.

[HotTrotter]

Saw a news clip yesterday that said soem 5 million illegals are simply rounded up and sent back. How about we start putting these criminals in jail. As it is, they have nothing to loose and can only steal American jobs from American workers. We put our own people in jail for less serious crimes. And does anyone really think these illegals that come here are the Cubans or Mexicans most outstanding citizens. Nope, over half are criminals in thier own country. They come here to escape their own laws. :mad:

Press 1 fro English, all others press 2 and go learn the language. ;)

[hwoods]

There ya go Chief.


I stand corrected. Thanks Mike, I missed that somehow.:)

[MIKEYLIKESIT]

You better aim carefully.... That little one is really moving.

[dustinlevengood]

And the shoot to kill is my way of saying authorize deadly force. those of you who dont know, authorizing deadly force is the use of force that a person knows or should know the use of will or should cause death or great bodily harm, and only employed when all lesser means have failed. Meaning you yell at them to stop, you run them down, you use less than lethal devices, ie taser, pepper spray, and then if none of them works you employ deadly force.

If you started the shoot to kill theory, it wouldn't take too long untill the word got out that if you come across and get caught you get killed. Also if you started killing off illegals in our country for being here illegally, I'd put money on it not taking too long before you see them movin out quick. Of course thats a way out there over exagertion of what needs to happen, but it would work. I have no problem with them paying fines for being here, even if it is for bush to "fund his war" that he wont even be a part of in two years. And english absolutly should be mandated for anyone who plans on residing in the US. You used to have to learn it before you got in, ahh the good ol' days

[HotTrotter]

If you started the shoot to kill theory, it wouldn't take too long untill the word got out that if you come across and get caught you get killed. Also if you started killing off illegals in our country for being here illegally, I'd put money on it not taking too long before you see them movin out quick. Of course thats a way out there over exagertion of what needs to happen, but it would work. I have no problem with them paying fines for being here, even if it is for bush to "fund his war" that he wont even be a part of in two years. And english absolutly should be mandated for anyone who plans on residing in the US. You used to have to learn it before you got in, ahh the good ol' days

Killing might be a bit extreme, although it would be effective and eliminate the repeat offenders. But we are operating on the other extreme, just send them back so they can try again. :mad:

I'm guessing SCfire and TheNozzleHead must be happy with George W at this point, he wants a guest worker program. I see your point guys, he is a terrible president ;)

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

Some of you are nothing but God-forsaken fools. You know that there is not a chance in hell that any law enforcement officer or military person would ever EVER shoot an unarmed civilian for crossing the border. But that doesn't stop you from beating your chest in some hollow boast. You sound like idiots.

I am all for an aggressive border security program. But that security program must start with a means to funnel people into manned checkpoints and to prevent people from crossing at non-checkpoints. This would require a system of physical barriers, detection systems and patrol units. I am not in favor of a guest worker program.

The United States, despite our problems, is a civilized and compassionate country. That is half the reason we are in this predicament in the first place.

[MIKEYLIKESIT]

I agree with George 1000%.

[DFW333]

You know that there is not a chance in hell that any law enforcement officer or military person would ever EVER shoot an unarmed civilian for crossing the border.


Who said anything about LEOs or the Military doing that? Send in the psychos!