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DianeC
03-10-2007, 12:31 AM
Since the other thread is getting pretty nasty... :rolleyes:

Hopefully the people that get the free batteries will truly need them and also do the right thing and put them in their smoke detectors (and not backwards!).

From a CPSC/USFA Press Release today:

News stories reported at least 200 people killed in home fires in first
three weeks of February.

One month, that only has 28 days.

In wake of fatal fire, city to hand out free batteries

BY HERBERT LOWE AND EMI ENDO
herbert.lowe@newsday.com
emi.endo@newsday.com

March 9, 2007, 4:15 PM EST

A day after nine people died in one of the city's worst house fires, Mayor Michael Bloomberg announced Friday that 150,000 free batteries for smoke alarms and carbon monoxide detectors would be distributed across the five boroughs over the next few days.

Joined by Fire Commissioner Nicholas Scopetta, Bloomberg made the announcement shortly after meeting with relatives of the woman and eight children who perished in Wednesday's tragic blaze blocks from Yankee Stadium in the Bronx.

The dead children, who include a pair of 7-month-old fraternal twins, ranged in age up to 11.

The grief over the tragedy was so palpable that crowds arrived well before the regularly scheduled 1 p.m. prayer service at the Islamic Cultural Center in Morrisania, the site of Bloomberg's meeting.

Soon after the service began, prayer rugs were laid outside because there was no room inside. About 20 worshippers took off their shoes and prayed outdoors, hearing the service only when the door was open.

The Fire Department and the FDNY Foundation plan to distribute 1,000 free 9-volt batteries at Times Square on Saturday and to give out another 149,000 batteries over the next few days, officials said.

The group already gave out 20,000 batteries at transit hubs around the city on Monday, the officials said. The city normally launches such a campaign to remind residents to check their smoke detector batteries at the same time they change their clocks, but this time the number of batteries distributed is increasing, they said.

"The house in Highbridge had two alarms, but neither had batteries in them," Bloomberg said at a news conference. "It's impossible to say whether this would have saved lives, but smoke detectors really are the best defense that we have against fires and not using them is a risk that none of us can afford to take."

Bloomberg arrived at the Islamic center at about 11:20 a.m. to meet with the relatives and religious leaders and left about a half-hour later. At the meeting were Moussa Magassa, the father of five of the eight children who died, and three of his remaining children; and Mamadou Soumare, who lost his wife and three of their four children.

Dozens of community members also attended, Bloomberg said later at the news conference at Engine 68-Ladder 49, a firehouse a half mile from where the blaze occurred at 1022 Woodycrest Ave.

"As the father of two daughters, I really can't imagine the pain and grief that their loved ones are going through," he said. "A parent should never have to bury their children. It's just not the logical order of things."

Bloomberg also spoke about the families of the 150 other people who attended, most of whom, he said, immigrated to America to "pursue the great American dream -- and now find themselves sharing a great American tragedy with us.

"Their hope and hard work define our city, and I think I speak for everybody, the fire has stunned everyone," he added. "It's particularly shaken this tight-knit community. I hope everyone says a prayer for them and for those who have suffered serious injuries."

The blaze injured 13 other relatives, including some badly burned, and several firefighters, officials said.

Bloomberg said that two of the injured were discharged from Jacobi Medical Center on Thursday night, and that two others remained in critical condition and two others were stable.

The blaze started in a street-level bedroom about 11 p.m. Wednesday and took 150 firefighters two hours to bring under control, officials said. The dead children were killed by smoke inhalation, according to the city medical examiner's office.

Magassa, who was in his native West African nation of Mali when the fire broke out, arrived back in New York early Friday and quickly went to a hospital to visit his wife and children who survived. He left to meet with the mayor and then joined the jam-packed prayer service.

Soumare and Magassa took time to pray side by side inside the mosque, but Soumare left before the service started to head back to Lincoln Medical and Mental Health Center to visit his daughter, Hassimi, 7. He arrived there about 1 p.m. with a police escort, staying until about 2:30 p.m., when he left wiping tears from his face, and without addressing the media.

Funeral services for all nine victims will be held at 1 p.m. Monday at the Islamic Cultural Center, 371 E. 166th St. The bodies of Soumare's wife and children will be buried in Mali, while the Magassa children will laid to rest in New York, said Sheikh Moussa Drammeh, principal of the Islamic Cultural School, who is serving as a spokesman for both families.

Bloomberg said the city would provide financial assistance to help the families with the funerals.

Earlier Friday, before leaving for the mosque, Bloomberg again defended his decision, despite the overnight tragedy, not to cancel a previously scheduled trip Thursday to Miami.

"I made sure we had all of the appropriate city agencies involved," he said on his weekly radio show.

Bloomberg noted that he held a news conference about the fire Thursday morning and sent Schools Chancellor Joel Klein to the school where some of the children who died had attended.

The mayor went to Miami to learn about that city's sustainability initiatives and later held two meetings to try to raise money for the World Trade Center Memorial Foundation, of which he is chairman.

"You have to grieve but at the same time you have to focus on how could we have prevented this," Bloomberg said on the radio show. "Some people say you should stop everything. ... There are times you cancel, but I made sure everyone was doing what was right."

Meanwhile, a spokeswoman for the city Department of Buildings, Kate Lundquist, said Friday that engineers and inspectors would be at the fire scene again Friday to document damage.

Except for the Sept. 11 terror attack, Wednesday's blaze claimed the most lives since the 1990 Happy Land arson that killed 87 people, authorities said.

The fire prompted waves of grief along the tight-knit Highbridge community. The two families were "getting a lot of comfort from the community," said Sidi Darrah, Mali ambassador to the United Nations.

Donations for the surviving family members had already topped $21,000, Darrah said.

Maria Cancel, 32, a mother of three, was among those who brought food to the home. She carried three black plastic bags full of sardines, macaroni and cheese, cereal and milk purchased at the corner bodega.

"It's not a lot, but it's something," Cancel said. "I'd see the kids every day. At a time like this everybody has to get together."

Robert Ortego, 10, joined a group of children at a makeshift memorial at a shuttered African grocery store just before classes started at Public School 73, as the votive candles reached the end of their wicks. Robert was a fifth-grade classmate of one of the children who died, Bandiogou Soumare, and called him "Bandi."

"His mom told me they came from West Africa to get a better education," Robert said.

Robert said he and Bandi would "chill out" and talk about movies. "I really saw him as a special kid. He had his own personality. While most kids would follow what others were doing, he would do his own thing."

Staff writers Emi Endo, Daniel Massey, Deborah S. Morris and Jennifer Kelleher and freelancers Matthew Nestel and Matthew Chayes contributed to this story.

Copyright 2007 Newsday Inc.

ChicagoFF
03-10-2007, 09:20 AM
We do that all the time. Free batteries, free detectors. You can walk into any firehouse in the city and get a free smoke detectors. And there are still plenty of fires.

Bones42
03-10-2007, 09:35 AM
Yup, cuz unless you go to the house and put them in yourself, you have no idea where they are really going. My bet....they will go anywhere except the smoke detector.

Is this "plan" better than nothing....yes, but barely.

FFFRED
03-10-2007, 10:06 AM
Exactly bones...my tax money going to pay for someone elses lack of personal responsibilty. My Smoke detectors have batteries and I paid for them.

More paternalistic BS from the liberals who think its governments responsibilty to provide everything for everyone.

Odds are all the TV remotes work just fine in the South Bronx today and no amount of prevention is going to change that type of behavior.

FTM-PTB

DianeC
03-10-2007, 10:53 AM
Odds are all the TV remotes work just fine in the South Bronx today and no amount of prevention is going to change that type of behavior.

FTM-PTB

What TV remotes take 9 volt batteries these days? :confused: All the ones I've seen over the last decade take AA or AAA. In fact, other then smoke detectors, I don't know what takes a 9 volt. Maybe I'm just not that into "electronics" to notice.

LtDPSJFD
03-10-2007, 11:04 AM
I don't think FFFred's statement is about the type of battery in the remote, but the priorities (or lack thereof) of the people we are charged to protect. We did a door-to-door smoke detector program this year, and the number of residences without detectors (or detectors without batteries) was astounding.

A few bucks for a battery or dectector versus the cost of replacing your house, or worse yet losing a life needlessly would seem like such a simple concept, but it's lost on some people. The sad fact is, there are people out there that just don't take fire safety to heart.

rescuedawg
03-10-2007, 11:20 AM
If they do make it the right way into the detectors, then about this time next year they'll go dead and no one will replace them. Its time to educate these people. Knock off burning prayer candles 24/7 unattended and one thin extension cord cant power the whole house. The number for 911 is 911, not your husbands gypsy cab cell phone.

FFFRED
03-10-2007, 11:56 AM
What TV remotes take 9 volt batteries these days? :confused: All the ones I've seen over the last decade take AA or AAA. In fact, other then smoke detectors, I don't know what takes a 9 volt. Maybe I'm just not that into "electronics" to notice.


Listen, I spell it out for those who rode the short bus to school ....SOMETHING....ANYTHING that takes the 9 volt a kids toy, a small appliance, TV remote, mom's toy ;) will get these batteries they are handing out and this is a reality that some on here are either not familiar with or refuse to acknowledge.

No amount of fire prevention education will work in many places because the real problem is common sense and the basic education that some of these people never got in the sh*t hole schools they attended or at least until they dropped out. :rolleyes: This is reality in the real world and not in Mayberry RFD.

It doesn't have to be a remote. geeeeeez! Do we have to hold some peoples hands through everything? :rolleyes:

FTM-PTB

engineeremtp
03-10-2007, 12:54 PM
I sometimes find it amazing the lobbyists for the building industry couldn't keep hard wired smoke detectors out of the codes for new home construction. It was only a few years ago that the tragedy in West Warwick happened and because even in this day we can't REQUIRE that occupancies such as a dance club be sprinklered even during renovations. The building industry will go out of its way to skirt around the codes to save a few bucks, it's a sad reality. It wasn't the first time children needlessly died and it surely won't be the last. I bet someone was hearing about this tragedy and thinking what a shame this is, and then walk right by their own smoke detector that probably has a dead battery- if one at all.

VinnieB
03-10-2007, 03:03 PM
Free batteries are nice. I bet most of them never make it into detectors. And most of the people can't even figure out how to change the batteries in thier CO detectors.

DeputyMarshal
03-10-2007, 04:36 PM
Who else remembers when smoke detectors were something new and there was a (brief, ineffective) campaign to require them to use a battery type that didn't fit anything else? ;)

Maybe it's time to consider that one again...

DeputyMarshal
03-10-2007, 04:39 PM
....even in this day we can't REQUIRE that occupancies such as a dance club be sprinklered even during renovations....

Sez who? :confused:

Codes are adopted state by state. Some have already adopted more strict sprinkler requirements for both new and existing assembly occupancies in direct response the Station fire and more are on the way.

DianeC
03-10-2007, 04:51 PM
Sez who? :confused:

Codes are adopted state by state. Some have already adopted more strict sprinkler requirements for both new and existing assembly occupancies in direct response the Station fire and more are on the way.

Probably referring to the Feds. The Fire Sprinkler Incentive Act never made it to the House floor for a vote in the 109th or 110th Congress because it was too costly. TOO COSTLY!? The heck with the insurance payouts, doctors bills, rehab/therapy for life, lawsuits, funeral costs, etc. that add up to far more.

I'm looking to purchase a condo right now -- my number one request? That it be sprinklered. My apartment is, so it only makes sense.

By the way, check out these new self charging smoke alarms (I have no affiliation): :rolleyes:

http://www2.dupont.com/Fire_Safety/en_US/

No batteries are required because it is running and self-charging off the electricity of your home. Installation is simple – just screw it into a ceiling light socket.

hwoods
03-10-2007, 11:49 PM
I'm looking to purchase a condo right now -- my number one request? That it be sprinklered.


You are in Luck! I have some brand new Condos selling as we speak. Several Styles and Types, all located in downtown Glenn Dale, where every structure built since 1992 is Sprinklered. :D :D :D

nyckftbl
03-11-2007, 01:37 PM
This "plan" wasnt in response to the fatal fire, although the response has been greater since then. Just a few days earlier, free detectors were being handed out on the Grand Concourse. Free detectors and batteries have always been available, but like Fred said, they usually dont find their way onto walls or ceilings.

BFDNJFF
03-11-2007, 01:44 PM
IMO if a few grand can save someone life then its worth it. Even if its just one and who knows maybe its a child life. Not everyone has fire protection on there mind like we all do. So if this may remind a few then its a good thing.

ChicagoFF
03-11-2007, 09:13 PM
IMO if a few grand can save someone life then its worth it.
So can I have a few grand of yours to put sprinklers in my house?

BFDNJFF
03-11-2007, 10:39 PM
So can I have a few grand of yours to put sprinklers in my house?


your talking apples and oranges my friend. :rolleyes:

MG3610
03-12-2007, 12:59 AM
your talking apples and oranges my friend. :rolleyes:

But is it? If I may go out on a limb ans assume where this is going.....

lets say that our Chicago Brother here can afford his 9v batteries....and he is anal about changing them with his clocks every year. He unfortunately, as a underappreciated goverment employee, cannot afford life saving fire sprinklers. Should someone else pay the friegnt for his home to be outfitted with them?

It is apples to oranges, but these apples are a little more red-orangeish.

Its IMO a typical American Knee Jerk reactions to some tragedy thats usually politically motivated to make someones agenda look good. it will go by the wayside soon enough. In this case the program was there already but as I suspect in many places just not well received by unconcerned citizens. As I understand, it is now being pushed more after a tragedy.

BFDNJFF
03-12-2007, 01:16 PM
Then I guess we should just shoot sparky the dog then shouldn't we ? Its all fire safety isn't it?

firefiftyfive
03-12-2007, 01:19 PM
Free batteries are nice. I bet most of them never make it into detectors. And most of the people can't even figure out how to change the batteries in thier CO detectors.



Been running a few too many CO runs lately vin??? :eek: I think we all have been!!

Rockie
03-12-2007, 03:49 PM
lets say that our Chicago Brother here can afford his 9v batteries....and he is anal about changing them with his clocks every year. He unfortunately, as a underappreciated goverment employee, cannot afford life saving fire sprinklers. Should someone else pay the friegnt for his home to be outfitted with them?

It is apples to oranges, but these apples are a little more red-orangeish.

Its IMO a typical American Knee Jerk reactions to some tragedy thats usually politically motivated to make someones agenda look good. it will go by the wayside soon enough. In this case the program was there already but as I suspect in many places just not well received by unconcerned citizens. As I understand, it is now being pushed more after a tragedy.

Who can't afford sprinklers. We have to have them. I want a set for my house. Deluge... Hold on, how much will the Government pay. Ok, I want the one with a big OS&Y in the living room. And I want it mounted with the stem up. We'll call it the know it all chair. (ah..ah, no thanks, it's Only for guests, thank you)
And I want some free batteries, and some of those Apples and Oranges.. and..

MG3610
03-12-2007, 06:17 PM
Then I guess we should just shoot sparky the dog then shouldn't we ? Its all fire safety isn't it?

Don't read me wrong bro.....just looking at with a little cynicism. But seriously....at what point do we say we can only do so much....ya know?

BFDNJFF
03-12-2007, 09:21 PM
Don't read me wrong bro.....just looking at with a little cynicism. But seriously....at what point do we say we can only do so much....ya know?

I see what your saying and I understand there needs to be a point when we must stop because its to much but I see no wrong in this though and I think it works only to benefit the FD. What I am saying is yeah it may save a few lives but besides that its only good Public Relations for the FD's. Look at the all the coverage this got in the news. I would rather hear about FD's giving out batteries then some negative press.

Rockie
03-13-2007, 11:12 PM
Don't read me wrong bro.....just looking at with a little cynicism. But seriously....at what point do we say we can only do so much....ya know?
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Hey ..."BRO"
Your kidding, of course. Is the fun in pulling ceiling until you ache, or just crawling around in a Project and finding dead baby's on a mattress on the floor. No insult intended, but after the heroic crap wears off most Firemen take the job seriously. After you see people turn into crispy C's while you look at their faces and try to cut through the bars they use to protect themselves from the neighbors a few times it makes you hard, but it's not ever fun.

Most of the people who think it's fun are perverted Fire Fan's, who may even hang around your Firehouse, and if you pay attention when the rig pulls up, you'll see them through the crowd, sitting on a hydrant with a book of matches in one hand and something else in the other.

MG3610
03-14-2007, 09:45 AM
Hey ..."BRO"
Your kidding, of course. Is the fun in pulling ceiling until you ache, or just crawling around in a Project and finding dead baby's on a mattress on the floor. No insult intended, but after the heroic crap wears off most Firemen take the job seriously. After you see people turn into crispy C's while you look at their faces and try to cut through the bars they use to protect themselves from the neighbors a few times it makes you hard, but it's not ever fun.

Most of the people who think it's fun are perverted Fire Fan's, who may even hang around your Firehouse, and if you pay attention when the rig pulls up, you'll see them through the crowd, sitting on a hydrant with a book of matches in one hand and something else in the other.

Sorry "Bro" kinda hard not to be insulted. I do take this very seriously. I work in a very understaffed department and every fire we go to makes me put my balls on the chopping block. I remember every face of the people I deal with who dont make it, every one. I still come back to work the next day because this is the best job in the world and its fun too.

The quote about fun comes right off the walls of the buildings used in the FDIC INDY conference where the guys who do the training spray painted that same slogan in large letters when I was there a few years back.....so I guess they are fire bugs?? Anyway, I removed my signature line to be politically correct.

If it makes a difference to show that we arent heartless, we carry a few smoke alarms and 9v batteries in the glove box of our rig to install in homes that we find unequipped with them. We work in a fairly well to do town, but we come across run down old homes in some of the older sections that are in need. Our town also has a very agressive fire inspection and prevention program. All 12 of our full timers are state certified fire inspectors, we visit the schools and day cares every year and we teach the CERT program fire safety classes. At all residential alarm activations we trouble shoot the detectors to dertemine if we can provide a best assessment of the problems and always encourage immediate repair. These people just don't understand though.....and alot of them just dont care. We have a decent number of nice large suburban homes where families from other countries set up camp with 15-20+ people. We will never find these places unless there is a fire or EMS call. When they are discovered, we deal with them and enforce the codes.

As much as we do, we can't and won't reach everyone, but we do our best.

Rockie
03-14-2007, 11:52 AM
The quote about fun comes right off the walls of the buildings used in the FDIC INDY conference where the guys who do the training spray painted that same slogan in large letters when I was there a few years back.....so I guess they are fire bugs?? Anyway, I removed my signature line to be politically correct.


If insult was taken I apologize to you. But now that you tolds me it started with Indy Instructors painting it on a wall, I think they should be teaching some other course. Like "How to increase your skill level at the water park." There's an old saying.. Those who can DO, and those who can't TEACH.

fieldseng2
03-14-2007, 12:17 PM
We actually go door to door and replace batteries and/or install new detectors. Now, I know we have no way of knowing what happens to those batteries when we leave, but every household (low income/poverty level) I dealt with this past weekend was very appreciative of our efforts.

We recently started installing Kidde's smoke detectors with the 10 year lithium batteries. Alegedly, the batteries are guaranteed to last 10 years, which is when alot of manufacturers suggest replace the whole detector.

With all that.....we still have fires where buildings burn to the ground and people are killed.


I will add......once again..........the investment of a working sprinkler system pays off. Recently responded to a fire in a hi-rise apartment. Reports of fire on the 7th & 8th...2nd alarm was quickly ordered. We were the 2nd "engine company". Helped 1st due stretch there line and ours...to find there was a fire in the kitchen on the 7th floor.........extinguished by 2 sprinkler heads. Only thing to due was some overhaul and vent the building.

Moderate damage to the kitchen (no fire on the 8th), a litttle smoke i nthe hallways of the 7th/8th floors, no injuries/fatalities.

Bones42
03-14-2007, 03:40 PM
I see a lot of posts referencing poor homes. I can tell as fact, it happens in well to do/non poor homes as well. We have several multi million dollar homes along the ocean front and also the river front. Close to half of them we have responded to for their alarm sounding only to find it was the low battery going off. We have also had fires in 2 or 3 of them where the smoke detectors had no batteries at all.

Please, no one believe this is a low income/poverty thing alone.

MG3610
03-14-2007, 05:58 PM
If insult was taken I apologize to you. But now that you tolds me it started with Indy Instructors painting it on a wall, I think they should be teaching some other course. Like "How to increase your skill level at the water park." There's an old saying.. Those who can DO, and those who can't TEACH.

No worries, its all good.

I will tell you this.....You can't discredit the quality and expertise of the instructional staff of the FDIC. There are quite a few useless instructors, but I would hardly say that the FDIC staff can be categorized like that. The best of the best are out there passing on the trade. I understand we don't want to promote fires to happen, but its inevitible and we need to be good and well trained to deal with them. This job is still fun.

Back to our regularly scheduled programming:D

kfactor
03-17-2007, 06:18 PM
Exactly bones...my tax money going to pay for someone elses lack of personal responsibilty. My Smoke detectors have batteries and I paid for them.

More paternalistic BS from the liberals who think its governments responsibilty to provide everything for everyone.

Odds are all the TV remotes work just fine in the South Bronx today and no amount of prevention is going to change that type of behavior.

FRED I got to say you come up some interesting arguments. "My tax money going to pay for someone elses lack of personal responsibility." I hate to tell you but most fires are due to lack of personal responsibility. Smoking, drugs and alcohol, children unattended, improper use of space heaters, and the list goes on and on - these are all major contributors to the fire problem. Take away all of this and the fires and fire deaths would drop like a rock. You don't want to spend a couple bucks for batteries, but you'll ask responsibe citizens who don't engage in such behavior, maintain their smoke detectors, etc. to foot the bill for $400K pumpers, approaching $1M for a tower, fire stations, staffing, etc. to provide all of this which benefits to a large extent those that are irresponsible. And there is the socioeconomic aspects - I'm sure you are aware of the signficant subsidies that suburban, rural residents pay for the cities with high levels of poverty - FD protection in those areas is a social program FRED, low income folks in the cities can't afford $1M towers and 6 man staffing - it is redistribution of wealth - a very liberal approach. Those of us that can afford it and subsidizing those that can't.

How about calling a spade a spade - if you don't like liberal wealth redistribution and people not taking responsibility for themselves, say so, but don't then ask for stations on every street corner in poor neighboorhoods, with shiny new rigs and 5-6 man staffing paid for by those that pay the bulk of the income, property and sales taxes. Which is it? Everybody takes responsibility and gets what they can afford or do we redistribute wealth and provide signficant resources to those that can't afford it or don't take responsibiliyt for themselves?