Scott Air Packs

[dfdapd]

Does anyone know or have any inside knowledge about what new products are coming out from Scott-Health and Safety as far as SCBA's that will meet the 2007 NFPA. My dept was told that they are comingout with two new models the NXG7 and the Air Pack 75. Of course when our local dealer called Scott and myself Scott is denying anything, they did tell the dealer however that they cannot say anything at this time due to copyright b.s. If anyone has anything or any knowledge of what is coming out please send me an email...thanks and stay safe..DFDAPD

[Rescue101]

Oh,wait 'til you see what's planned.Integrated voice amps,regulator upgrades and who knows what else.Probably a finger that taps you on the shoulder and says"Pardon me,did you know your air is LOW?". T.C.

[HEYVERN]

Talked to the rep last week. He told us that all the SCBA produced after a yet to be disclosed day, (sometime in January or February) will have to be the CBRNE compliant. He did not know any further info. Said he would call the factory. Haven't heard from him since. Guess they did not know anything either.

[Tanker06]

He told us that all the SCBA produced after a yet to be disclosed day, (sometime in January or February) will have to be the CBRNE compliant.

That noise you just heard was the price of new gear taking off, strapped to a
shuttle launch booster...... :(

[dday05]

That noise you just heard was the price of new gear taking off, strapped to a
shuttle launch booster...... :(

They said it could add another $1000.00 to each unit.

[Fitguy51]

We are living without the NXG2's right now so if they bring in another model that won't change things around here. So why worry

[MarcusKspn]

With the NFPA 1971 - 2005 edition you have the option of making your Gear CBRNE compliant. The only thing is that if you order any of your gear CBRNE than ALL of your gear has to be CBRNE. You cannot have CBRNE Pants and Coat, and non-CBRNE boots, gloves, hood, and SCBA. So it's either an all-or-nothing approach.

You don't HAVE to make any of your gear CBRNE compliant (and many-many departments won't have the funding to add that extra cost to their specs when they buy new gear). It is a big start-up cost to pay in addition to non-CBRNE 2005 edition gear. But if your SCBA is CBRNE all of your other gear has to be too.

And that last requirenment is the reason that I don't believe that SCOTT will go exclusively to CBRNE SCBA's, but always have them as an option. If Scott is only selling SCBA's that are CBRNE compliant, then there would be many departments that would not buy them, because they cannot afford to spend the extra money to buy every single member new Turnout Gear that is CBRNE also. Scott would $crew themselves out of a lot of business.

[HEYVERN]

That noise you just heard was the price of new gear taking off, strapped to a
shuttle launch booster...... :(

AMEN TO THAT.

[res1cueffd]

We use the scott 4.5s and i really have no problem with them at all. I dont see the need to upgrade, we already have integrated pass and a hud. What more could you need?

[dfdapd]

We use the scott 4.5s and i really have no problem with them at all. I dont see the need to upgrade, we already have integrated pass and a hud. What more could you need?
The problem is that Scott is no longer going to make the Air Pack 50, now it's either the NXG7 or the Air Pack 75.

[Bones42]

Just got 20 Scott AP50's. Choice of going CBRNE or not was a matter of $90 per pack. We chose not to as nothing else we have is CBRNE.

[ISIscba]

With the NFPA 1971 - 2005 edition you have the option of making your Gear CBRNE compliant. The only thing is that if you order any of your gear CBRNE than ALL of your gear has to be CBRNE. You cannot have CBRNE Pants and Coat, and non-CBRNE boots, gloves, hood, and SCBA. So it's either an all-or-nothing approach.

You don't HAVE to make any of your gear CBRNE compliant (and many-many departments won't have the funding to add that extra cost to their specs when they buy new gear). It is a big start-up cost to pay in addition to non-CBRNE 2005 edition gear. But if your SCBA is CBRNE all of your other gear has to be too.

And that last requirenment is the reason that I don't believe that SCOTT will go exclusively to CBRNE SCBA's, but always have them as an option. If Scott is only selling SCBA's that are CBRNE compliant, then there would be many departments that would not buy them, because they cannot afford to spend the extra money to buy every single member new Turnout Gear that is CBRNE also. Scott would $crew themselves out of a lot of business.

Scott or any other manufacture does not have a choice...NFPA 1981, 2007 edition requires CBRN certification.

[ChicagoFF]

And the NFPA is just looking out for us, right? All a mask really needs is for air to come out of it. Why do you need a HUD? Voice amps? What the hell are we talking about here??? Why is the NFPA requiring anything beyond safe, reliable gear? This is such a scam of an organization and everyone just buys right in to their BS, quoting standards and pretending that NFPA has some clue. Wake up. They are for profit. Everyone here is more concerned about complying with some group of nobodies who know nothing about their department than they are with getting the job done. Jesus, where does this end? When no one can afford to opperate anymore because they keep upping the ante so that manufacturers can keep selling more gear? Just look at some of the stupid stuff they require and tell me it's needed. I just don't understand why everyone wants Chief Cletus from the East Bumfu@k VFD and his panal of idiots and salesmen telling you how to do your job. I guess I don't care. My department has money to burn and buys anything and everything stupid that comes around, but I assume many don't have the money we do and you should all be concerned with this overbearing pack of nitwits.

[randsc]

And the NFPA is just looking out for us, right? All a mask really needs is for air to come out of it. Why do you need a HUD? Voice amps? What the hell are we talking about here??? Why is the NFPA requiring anything beyond safe, reliable gear? This is such a scam of an organization and everyone just buys right in to their BS, quoting standards and pretending that NFPA has some clue. Wake up. They are for profit. Everyone here is more concerned about complying with some group of nobodies who know nothing about their department than they are with getting the job done. Jesus, where does this end? When no one can afford to opperate anymore because they keep upping the ante so that manufacturers can keep selling more gear? Just look at some of the stupid stuff they require and tell me it's needed. I just don't understand why everyone wants Chief Cletus from the East Bumfu@k VFD and his panal of idiots and salesmen telling you how to do your job. I guess I don't care. My department has money to burn and buys anything and everything stupid that comes around, but I assume many don't have the money we do and you should all be concerned with this overbearing pack of nitwits.

Agreed, almost entirely. The one change I would point out is that it is not the "Chief Cletuses" of the world that are over-represented on NFPA panels. It is the chiefs of (often comparatively wealthy) suburban departments (Chief Chad? Chief Biff?).

Would you allow Ford and Chevy to tell you when you are required to purchase a new car?

[randsc]

Scott or any other manufacture does not have a choice...NFPA 1981, 2007 edition requires CBRN certification.

That's a joke. "Scott or any other manufacturer" ARE the NFPA.

"Sorry Sir, we have no choice but to sell you gear that is no better, just more complicated and prone to breaking, but costs twice as much. What's that? Why don't we have a choice? Because the NFPA says so. What's the NFPA? Why, that's me, my peers in the business and our golfing buddies."

[JRLloyd]

The problem is that Scott is no longer going to make the Air Pack 50, now it's either the NXG7 or the Air Pack 75.

Not True.

I am a Scott Distributor in Oregon and I have seen the new AP 75. Haven't seen or really heard much about the new NXG2. The AP 75 was just a demo/prototype I saw in December from our Scott rep. Looks like it will be pretty neat. What they have pretty much done is taken the AP50 and the NXG2 and combined them. The biggest complaint about the NXG2 was the quick connect/disconnect of the cylinder (which a lot think is great) because of the inability to use other cylinders with their BA's (ie MSA, Survivair bottles). Personally I don't really see that as a valid argument seeing as how if you ask most firefighters, not all, but most, if they have ever done mutual aid and used another departments BA's, they will say never. In fact you are not supposed to combine different manufactures' cylinders with airpacks. Anyways back to the AP 75. They have taken the bells and whistles of the NXG2 and incorporated it with the basic framework of the AP 50. So now you have a pack with the same cylinder connection as the 50 with the visual and audible low air warnings that the NXG2 had. The PAK Alert is going to have a 45 degree angle for the gauge so that it is easier to read(but I believe that will be on all packs due to the new design forced by NFPA) All the electronics are being placed at the base of the pack, and the whole things runs off of ONE (that's right, ONE) battery supply, which is 6 AA's.

As far as NFPA 2007 goes, I am with you guys on this. I think that their are some things that are not really neccessary and it is just a way for the manufacturers to squeeze more money out of these things. Starting with all Airpacks purchased HAVE to be shipped with a voice amp. However some of the things they are doing are good. The one, and most important thing in NFPA 2007, I think, is the new tumble/imersion/muffle test that the PASS alarms are going to be put through. Yes they will be impossible to repair and will most likely just have to be replaced (3 year warranty though). But they will be much better and less likely to fail when a firefighter needs it the most, because let's face it, that PASS alarm may one day save your life. Unfortunatly I have been told that upgrading your BA's to meet 2007 will probably cost $1000+.(that nubmer is just for Scott, it may be more or less for others, but I believe it will cost more for MSA, survivair, and others)

I see that you are from Albany which is north of where I am from. If you have any other questions you can give me a call. 800-654-7049

p.s. One more thing that Scott will be coming out with is their new communications device called the EPIC. It has a bluetooth chip in it to wirelessly connect with your radios and should be voice activated. :)

[gatoremt]

When is Scott going to come out with a regulator that stays attached to the face mask so it does not dangle all over the place when you take it? That is the big thing I dont like about Scott packs. That is whey we are looking at the ISI and Interspiro. We will probable end up with Interspiro b/c we have several of there packs, Plus our local paid Dept. already uses Interspiro.

[AZFF25]

........$$$$$$$$$........

[AZFF25]

What we need is for all the BA mfg's to do is put GPS in the BA's so downed FF's can be quickly located in safe manner.

[Fitguy51]

So tell me, what the hell is CBRN?

[ChicagoFF]

So tell me, what the hell is CBRN?
A waste of everyones money. Chemical, Biological, Radiological, Nuclear. We have cbrn masks but nothing else. Plus, If it can't be washed down with a 2 1/2, how close do I really need to get to the nuke? C'mon, lets get real.

[ChicagoFF]

Agreed, almost entirely. The one change I would point out is that it is not the "Chief Cletuses" of the world that are over-represented on NFPA panels. It is the chiefs of (often comparatively wealthy) suburban departments (Chief Chad? Chief Biff?).

You're right. I stand corrected.

[JRLloyd]

When is Scott going to come out with a regulator that stays attached to the face mask so it does not dangle all over the place when you take it? That is the big thing I dont like about Scott packs. That is whey we are looking at the ISI and Interspiro. We will probable end up with Interspiro b/c we have several of there packs, Plus our local paid Dept. already uses Interspiro.

I'm not exactly sure what you are asking here? I have never seen or heard of a regulator "dangling" all over the place. Once you do the quarter turn and lock the regulator in to place it can't move.


What we need is for all the BA mfg's to do is put GPS in the BA's so downed FF's can be quickly located in safe manner.

http://www.scotthealthandsafety.com/paktracker.htm

Something new from Scott. I have played around with our demo set and it seems to be pretty cool. Even better if you have Scott SCBA's you can have the transmitter integrated into your pak. :)

[lexfd5]

I'm not exactly sure what you are asking here? I have never seen or heard of a regulator "dangling" all over the place. Once you do the quarter turn and lock the regulator in to place it can't move.

He maybe referring to the length of the new low pressure hose to the face-piece regulator. It is longer than the older models without the quick disconnect feature, so it has a habit of getting in the way.

[gatoremt]

I meant once you are no longer hooked to the face mask. The regulators I have seen are dangling all over the place. Unlike the ISI and Interspiro. The regulator is mounted to the face mask all the time.

[Fitguy51]

I only used an ISI unit once, about 15 yrs ago, and it had a dangling connector to the mask but is was not as big as the Scott is today. I have used Scott all of my 37 yr career and have had not trouble. I remember the elephant trunk masks of old. We have come a long way, thats for sure.

[Bones42]

I meant once you are no longer hooked to the face mask. The regulators I have seen are dangling all over the place. Unlike the ISI and Interspiro. The regulator is mounted to the face mask all the time. They are only dangling all over the place because the FF did not clip the regulator into the waist belt "clip".

[Rescue101]

JR,Gator is referring to brand X's regulators which have a "fresh air switch"and stay hooked to the mask(or can stay hooked)once donned.I've never needed that feature,never had a problem finding and hooking my regulator when needed,and I don't need that damned hose hooked up when I'm not on air.Nobody in this corner of the world uses Interspiro/ISI anyway so I don't believe it will cause any sleep loss.For long term service at minimum maintence,I'll put my Scott's up against those two any day.Let me know what they've cost you after a thirty year service life.I bet the Scott wins,hands down. T.C.

[JRLloyd]

JR,Gator is referring to brand X's regulators which have a "fresh air switch"and stay hooked to the mask(or can stay hooked)once donned.I've never needed that feature,never had a problem finding and hooking my regulator when needed,and I don't need that damned hose hooked up when I'm not on air.Nobody in this corner of the world uses Interspiro/ISI anyway so I don't believe it will cause any sleep loss.For long term service at minimum maintence,I'll put my Scott's up against those two any day.Let me know what they've cost you after a thirty year service life.I bet the Scott wins,hands down. T.C.

Now I understand what gator was saying. As Bones said though, if you hook your regulator to the holder on your waist belt this shouldn't be a problem. Rescue101 brings up a great point about maintenance after the purchase. I'll be the first to admit that Scotts are not the least expensive of SCBA's. However, most departments will find that they will get their SCBA's really cheap and then end up spending a fortune on maintaining them.

[HenryChan]

50 is an awesome upgrade!

[dfdapd]

back to my point of the topic...does anyone know anything about what new air packs Scott is coming out with???

[JRLloyd]

I think the airpak will be availble soon.

[BCFD25]

has scott released any info on these yet? i have seen an ad that said coming soon but nothing else and i couldnt find anything on their website.

[FireLtParaM]

After having attended the North Carolina Breathing Equipment and Survival School for over a week I would have to say that the Interspiro packs do not hold up and the fresh air switch isn't worth its weight in sand. The mechanism for which to actually get the assembly off of the mask is very difficult if you actually wanted to take it off. No offense to people who like the ambient air option, however, I prefer the open hole that Scott provides to breathe through should your regulator not be attached. I would have to say that the interspiro voice amp/PASS system are very nice as far as being loud but that's the only option I liked about them. Also a "dangling" regulator is part of the business. Sure you could clip it into the regulator belt clip but who has time for this? I haven't found it to be a problem for myself on the fireground/training. Sure its not the best thing for maintenance of the regulator but look at the training we're doing in the fire service these days. Have we ever cared about the maintenance of equipment while we're on the fireground? Not at all. Again if we took the time to worry about these things on the fireground nothing would ever get done. 2cents

And to stay on topic I <3 Scott Airpaks. That is all.

[BCFD25]

well it looks like we are a little closer to the debut of the new airpak 75. Here is the link with the count down. http://www.futureairpak.com/
I think part of the delay is they are still under going testing for the new nfpa update. so far none of the scba manufacturers have passed and they only have until nonember 1st i think. someone please correct me if im wrong on the date.

[eaglesrule1024]

well it looks like we are a little closer to the debut of the new airpak 75. Here is the link with the count down. http://www.futureairpak.com/
I think part of the delay is they are still under going testing for the new nfpa update. so far none of the scba manufacturers have passed and they only have until nonember 1st i think. someone please correct me if im wrong on the date.

that is weird i tried going to that site yesterday and i didnt get that i even created a new thread cause i didnt understand it.

Rob

[gatoremt]

After having attended the North Carolina Breathing Equipment and Survival School for over a week I would have to say that the Interspiro packs do not hold up and the fresh air switch isn't worth its weight in sand. The mechanism for which to actually get the assembly off of the mask is very difficult if you actually wanted to take it off. No offense to people who like the ambient air option, however, I prefer the open hole that Scott provides to breathe through should your regulator not be attached. I would have to say that the interspiro voice amp/PASS system are very nice as far as being loud but that's the only option I liked about them. Also a "dangling" regulator is part of the business. Sure you could clip it into the regulator belt clip but who has time for this? I haven't found it to be a problem for myself on the fireground/training. Sure its not the best thing for maintenance of the regulator but look at the training we're doing in the fire service these days. Have we ever cared about the maintenance of equipment while we're on the fireground? Not at all. Again if we took the time to worry about these things on the fireground nothing would ever get done. 2cents

And to stay on topic I <3 Scott Airpaks. That is all.

I have found that the regulator is very easy to take off. You unscrew 1 screw and move the face cone over to the side and pull the regulator out. It is not that hard. I am sorry that you found you had problems with the ambient air option. What kind of problems did you have? My Volunteer Department has them and we have not had any problems with them.
And dangling regulators thank goodness are not a part of our department. I say that taking care of your SCBA is VERY important since it could save my LIFE. just my 2 cents. I guess that is why we have so many choices in the SCBA area.

[Rescue101]

It's all in what you think you need.I haven't needed an air switch in 38 years under the mask.My regulator only dangles if I want it to,and when I'm not using it,it's either hooked to it's belt clip or my mask depending on circumstance.At the end of thirty(30) years come back to this forum and tell me what your mask cost to maintain per year.I'd agree that my Scba is important to my life and based on thirty years with a single product line I'll put my life with the BEST,Scott! Best of luck with yours,if they even make it to thirty.Since going to the 2.2's we've NEVER had an operational failure.And we've got packs out of the first issue of 2.2's which are approaching 30 years on the line.Regulator repairs to these are simple too but we've never had to service one between "benches",just clean and go. T.C.