FDNY List # 2043

[Kanoobs]

The current FDNY thread is getting a little crowded with chatter about the new test and the next list.

Here's one just for 2043:

Into the 4200s with Med/Psych dates

Who has new updates and news? Has anyone's employers recieved reference checks?

[kingofdahill]

The current FDNY thread is getting a little crowded with chatter about the new test and the next list.

Here's one just for 2043:

Into the 4200s with Med/Psych dates

Who has new updates and news? Has anyone's employers recieved reference checks?

I was thinking the same thing. recieved my dates too. hopefully we will get into the class after march.

[UDFD26]

I'm done everything and just waiting for them to call my number. low 3200's

[cobrajet4v]

33##'s here. looks like everything is a go for the march class. last i heard is March 5 and they're looking to put in 300 people. It's gonna be a big class hopefully. after this last class they put in, the ratios look like they'll be back to 1:2/3 so maybe they'll get up to the 3600 range give or take a few.

START RUNNING! RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN. make sure you can do your pull-ups/sit-ups/push-ups for the first day! don't be that guy that goes on remedial for something stupid. from what i've been told you DON'T wanna be on remedial...especially for an extra 5 weeks now! march is going to be 18 weeks...then the class after that will be 23...then the one after that a 26 week academy! Hope to get into the soonest one!

best of luck to ALL!

[UDFD26]

Any idea what they are adding into the class to make it 18 weeks?

[cobrajet4v]

From what i hear there is a high-rise class being put in. I don't know how true that is though.

[Kanoobs]

No real idea what they're going to be adding, but there is a lot of speculation. Codes classes, enforcement and some people have said EMT, but that unlikely.

All in all it doesn't really matter to me. It's all a means to an end. They can make the academy a year for all I care, just get me there.

[cobrajet4v]

No real idea what they're going to be adding, but there is a lot of speculation. Codes classes, enforcement and some people have said EMT, but that unlikely.

All in all it doesn't really matter to me. It's all a means to an end. They can make the academy a year for all I care, just get me there.

AMEN, BROTHA.

[abcdefg]

42xx Here. No med or psych yet. Does anyone have any idea as to when I MIGHT get called for the med/psych?

Good luck men.
Keep the faith.

[abcdefg]

This is off the official FDNY home page:

Future Probationary Firefighter Classes (subject to change)

March 2007
Eligible will come from Firefighter Lists #2043, #0532, #4532.

[cobrajet4v]

42xx Here. No med or psych yet. Does anyone have any idea as to when I MIGHT get called for the med/psych?

Good luck men.
Keep the faith.


with the way they've been hammering people into their offices figure within a month or two after this march class goes in. good luck!

[Fixxer]

No real idea what they're going to be adding, but there is a lot of speculation. Codes classes, enforcement and some people have said EMT, but that unlikely.

You guys aren't EMTs? Does the FDNY do First Responder runs?

- Fixer

[FFFRED]

You guys aren't EMTs? Does the FDNY do First Responder runs?

- Fixer

Since about the mid 90s(it was gradual boro by boro and call type) the job has been doing CFR-D runs(certified first responder-Defib). We are trained only to the CFR-D level.

FTM-PTB

[soon2bJake]

Since about the mid 90s(it was gradual boro by boro and call type) the job has been doing CFR-D runs(certified first responder-Defib). We are trained only to the CFR-D level.

FTM-PTB

CFR-D is enough for me, i would hope to think they plan on keeping FDNY a real fire department.

[Kanoobs]

A "real" fire department, haha. What? You don't want to be a firefighter/paramedic?

Me niether!!!!

[abcdefg]

I was thinking the same thing. recieved my dates too. hopefully we will get into the class after march.

What list # are you. Just trying to figure out when I will get called for the psych/med.

[kingofdahill]

What list # are you. Just trying to figure out when I will get called for the psych/med.

i'm in the 4,1xx's

[Kanoobs]

Had medical today, tough, but passed. All set pending blood and urine tests. Keeping my fingers crossed

4400's

[kingofdahill]

Had medical today, tough, but passed. All set pending blood and urine tests. Keeping my fingers crossed

4400's

kanoobs whats your deal? You said you had your medical today yet your 300 guys over me. On top of that some of your other posts don't match up either. For example you stated in your posts that you had your initial interview way back on august 7. Then I read where you just handed in everything in novemeber. Which one was it? Again I had my interview in late august I just cant see how your jumping ahead of everyone with everything.I have my medical scheduled for early feb. and guys in the 3,800 are just going next week. Even if they were just filling spots in the medical there are alot of guys that would have to refuse it before they got to the 4,400's especially when someone in the higher 4,200's was asking about dates so that he could estimate when he could be called. I hope your being truthful with us throughout this process with posting good info and not bullsh**.

[Kanoobs]

Okay, easy with the questioning. I had recieved a phone call from home saying that a packet had come. This was last summer and I immediatly posted here. When I got home I found out that this was NOT the information for packet turn in. I recieved that packet in October. I turned in all of my information on Nov. 28th or 29th, I can't remember. We were told 2 months for an investigator and 5 or so for med/psych. I don't know why I had my test today.

My best guess is this:

They have guys who are lower in the list already scheduled. They needed to go higher do to guys not showing up. The had an open day and just stuck the next group (mine) in whenever there was an opening. I'm sure it was out of conveniance for the folks at BHS and has nothing to do with hiring. I think it was pretty past minute. Everyone who was there recieved the letter for the medical yesterday!!! One day's notice.

Just so you know, 20 guys were scheduled to show up and only 12 did. Be there at 6:45 sharp or they will cut off entry.

Sorry if my one entry from August put you off. That was bad news becuase I thought I had something I didn't.

Everything else is up to date.

Anyone have anything new?

[abcdefg]

For those taking your medical, what time did you have to be there in the morning? Also, what time did you get done with the psych?

[Kanoobs]

Med: Had to be there by 0645. No exceptions. Done a little before noon.

Psych: Haven't done it, but they tell you to plan for 6 hours and I've heard that it's usually at least 5 if not the whole 6.

[cobrajet4v]

anyone hear anything about the dates for the swearing in for the march class?

[Kanoobs]

I just saw Feb. 26th posted as the swear in date. Who knows though. I'm just anxious to see how many people they push through to get 300 hundred. I'm PRAYING the ratio of 2:1 gets much higher, much......

[abcdefg]

Had medical today, tough, but passed. All set pending blood and urine tests. Keeping my fingers crossed

4400's

How did you do on the stepmill? How strict were they?

[Kanoobs]

I passed, but BARELY. They're pretty strict. Just prep and you'll do fine.

I know some people had said they were up for medicals today. How did everything go? Did they tell you anything at BHS?

[FFFRED]

Just to let you know in 2006 the FDNY lost only 510 members to retirements and resignations...expect that number to remain stable.

As for how that translates into hiring levels...that is up the the Dept and City.

FTM-PTB

[ljones]

For the medical how long do they put you on the treadmill for? I know there is a warmup of like 3 minutes right? And then what, another 5 min or so?
I have my medical coming up, and I am in the 4,500's.

[Kanoobs]

They will keep you on for 5:12. If you are fluttering around the limit, a little over then a little under they will keep you on longer to see how you do. Perhaps 7:12.

4500's? When do you have a medical date set for? You should train as hard as possible for as long as possible. I didn't and it was a nail biter. Bad on my part, but surprised at the medical date being so early.

[ljones]

I go next week the 30th. I know I was so surprised, it was only last month in December that I went for the intial investigation part. They must be moving real fast! Do you do anyting else physical besides the stairmaster for the MED?

[Kanoobs]

No, the stairmaster is the only real work out.

Wow, this month for 4500 medicals?

Someone MUST know something becuase they wouldn't do all this without reason.

[ljones]

Yep it is all moving quick. I wonder how far in the list they will get with the medicals? But it will be awhile before they reach 4,500s for the academy. Anyone know how far in the list they reached for March people in the academy? 3,200?

[Kanoobs]

If 2:1 continues then they will reach about 3700, but I'm hoping that the number of people turning it down will increase. I'd be A LOT happier if they made it to 3800 or something like that.

Will there be another class of 300 to follow? I've heard fall of '07, but why so late?

[VladAmok]

What are the chances of someone getting hired with asthma. I heard that they disqualify people for that?

[FFFRED]

What are the chances of someone getting hired with asthma. I heard that they disqualify people for that?

Yes they do. You will be around lots of smoke and I'm sure you don't want to have an asthma attack at a job.

FTM-PTB

[abcdefg]

Guys, I have a couple questions.

How many reference letters do they send out? Two people that I put down for references have gotten their letters. I cant remember how many references we put down, is it two or three?

Second, do they send letters to all of your past jobs or just your current job?

Lastly, how do you know if you passed your psych and blood work?

Do you just wait to see if you get a letter for the academy?

Thanks boys

[Hopefulprobie]

You'll know if you failed the psych or medical. They won't let you know you passed. Just wait about 2 weeks after and call your investigator and ask.

[Kanoobs]

SOmeone may have asked this already, but how often do people have a medical and a psych and then not get hired because the list never gets high enough to reach them. Does that happen or not really?

[abcdefg]

42XX: had med and psych. Just waiting and HOPING they reach my number before the list expires.

[ljones]

4,500's here, went for medical as well. What I heard was the March Class is going to be around 250 guys. Meaning they may run through about 500 names on the list if it is 2:1. That would put the list up to around 3,600 or 3,700 after the March class. I also heard that after the March academy class, the future academy classes will be smaller in number closer to 200 or 150 in each and the next class after the March class will not start until at least September due to some slowing down. Anybody hear anything similar or different?

[az4302]

Has anyone in the low 4800 received any info packets in the mail?

[FatherPierce]

Hey gang,

A bit of information from good sources:

Feb 26 will be the swearing date for the March class. The class will consist of 300 probies and will last 18 weeks.

This will mean 5 weeks of more information to be covered in classrooms above the usual 10 weeks. There will be a larger emphasis on building construction, building inspection, and classes are more likely to be grouped together based around a building construction topic. CFR-D on Fridays, not EMT.

Be ready to run the 1.5 mile in under 13 min to stay in the class. You will also be asked to do 30 situps, 30 pushups, and 4 pullups that first week. Be ready to run LONG DISTANCES! 4 mile runs over the Triboro Bridge or into Manhattan are not rare. If you are not prepared, life will be hell.

The next class will also be 300 probies, 23 weeks, and will kick off in the fall. Classes are not expected to go longer than 23 weeks.

IMPORTANT: Probie pay will go up after 13 weeks, no matter how long your probie school is going to run!

Hope it helps...I'm out in 2 weeks! - #27xx

[DonSmithnotTMD]

Hey gang,
You will also be asked to do 30 situps, 30 pushups, and 4 pullups that first week. Be ready to run LONG DISTANCES! 4 mile runs over the Triboro Bridge or into Manhattan are not rare.


What's the time standard for these events?

[BEANER51]

Called the other day to check on an address, was told packets should go out to 4800's in March.

[Kanoobs]

I hope they're still sending packets! Thats good news for everyone. It means the MUST need more people and boy do I hope that's the case.

FatherPierce, thanks for the info. Do they start you on the long distance runs right off the bat? I've been ramping up my running, but 4 miles is still along one for me.

How else has it been? Congrats on moving towards the end, how did it all go?

Any word on class after Fall? If they really are moving to a 2 larger/longer classes a year schedule, fall would make sense. It would set them, up for a Late Summer/Fall and then a Winter. Hence 2 classes a year.

[LPFD53]

They'll build you up to running... the first or 2nd day is the first PT test... the biggest thing is the run in under 13 mins. the Pushups are at their count for a minute, situps for a minute, and 4 pullups... if you fail these - you go to remedial, which means you stay after or show up early to hit the gym for an hour a couple times a week... it's not that big of a deal and you get more exercise out of it... but it starts you off with a bad name and a black stripe on your shirt.

[FFFRED]

They'll build you up to running... the first or 2nd day is the first PT test... the biggest thing is the run in under 13 mins. the Pushups are at their count for a minute, situps for a minute, and 4 pullups... if you fail these - you go to remedial, which means you stay after or show up early to hit the gym for an hour a couple times a week... it's not that big of a deal and you get more exercise out of it... but it starts you off with a bad name and a black stripe on your shirt.


Not that big of a deal huh? Well junior just wait until you have to rely on some fat bag of sh*t who didn't care enough to show up in shape for a job that presumably they would kill for. There are literally 1000s who will take your spot in a heartbeat and you don't think it is a big deal that you can't even perform those menial physical tasks on day one?

If they weren't disciplined enough to show up on day 1 in shape and ready to go, what makes you think they will maintain their physical fitness after they are out in the field without a DI looking over them? How much do you think they care about knowing the job and being in the right place at the right time? Can they be depended on to do the absolute best?

There was a time when there was no such thing as remedial...I wonder why that is no more?

Not a good attitude to start out with. Try keeping your mouth shut if this is the advice you are going to spread around here.

FTM-PTB

[fdny14]

I have heard that they are going to hire everyone off of List #2043. Has anybody else heard this or does anybody have any more information about this?

[Kanoobs]

I don't believe that they would say anything like that. They hire what they need and thats that. I don't think that anyone other than DCAS pays much attention to what list it is. DCAS gives the list to FDNY and they just investigate and do medicals. I don't think they plan on hiring EVERYONE. They could do it, but that would be purely based on need and not a predetermined plan to "hire everyone". I hope they keep going, I need them to.

Best of luck!

[abcdefg]

Out of NYC area.
I'm trying to get an idea of where I can live. Can anyone give me an idea of where to look. Im not picky, just want a place not horribly far from the Rock and in FDNY Probie price range (i.e. less than $95 a month. lol) just kidding.

What neighborhoods should I look in?

thanks, guys

[CTJAKE]

Not that big of a deal huh? Well junior just wait until you have to rely on some fat bag of sh*t who didn't care enough to show up in shape for a job that presumably they would kill for. There are literally 1000s who will take your spot in a heartbeat and you don't think it is a big deal that you can't even perform those menial physical tasks on day one?

If they weren't disciplined enough to show up on day 1 in shape and ready to go, what makes you think they will maintain their physical fitness after they are out in the field without a DI looking over them? How much do you think they care about knowing the job and being in the right place at the right time? Can they be depended on to do the absolute best?

There was a time when there was no such thing as remedial...I wonder why that is no more?

Not a good attitude to start out with. Try keeping your mouth shut if this is the advice you are going to spread around here.

FTM-PTB

You do "get more exercise out of it."

[FFFRED]

Out of NYC area.
I'm trying to get an idea of where I can live. Can anyone give me an idea of where to look. Im not picky, just want a place not horribly far from the Rock and in FDNY Probie price range (i.e. less than $95 a month. lol) just kidding.

What neighborhoods should I look in?

thanks, guys

Oh here are some up and comming areas....SoBro, SpaHa, Stuyvesant Heights, Weeksville,Wingate Heights, Northern Flatlands and Southeast Queens are all nice.

JUST KIDDING!!!!

Do not fall for any BS from anyone, especallty realestate agents. All of the above Neighborhoods are also known as the South Bronx, Spanish Harlem, Do or Die/Bed-Stuy, Crown Heights, Flatbush, and South Jamaica, Queens....ALL ARE SH*T HOLES to the nth degree!

There is a trend of using archaic and seldom used names for neighborhoods which are obviously not where you want to live to fool you into signing a lease in a crime infested dump. One hint...if you can see projects...don't live within 5 miles of the joint.

Some good suggestions, Riverdale, Throngs Neck, Woodlawn in the Bronx, Marine Park, Sheepshead Bay, Dyker Heights, Bensonhurst and Bay Ridge in Brooklyn, Bayside, Woodside, Astoria, Glen Oaks and the Rockaways in Queens are all nice places.

Best of Luck

FTM-PTB

[LPFD53]

disregard.

[ljones]

Does anybody know when the psych is going to be given for the guys just doing the medical now? I guess some of the information we are hearing is similar about the class after March not being until September. Another thing to consider is that the class after the March class will have some candidates from the other two lists not just #2043. When I went for my medical, I think 23 guys showed up and 3 were from the other lists (EMS) lists. So there will be spots taken up that are not from #2043 , question is just how many?

[abcdefg]

Does anybody know when the psych is going to be given for the guys just doing the medical now? I guess some of the information we are hearing is similar about the class after March not being until September. Another thing to consider is that the class after the March class will have some candidates from the other two lists not just #2043. When I went for my medical, I think 23 guys showed up and 3 were from the other lists (EMS) lists. So there will be spots taken up that are not from #2043 , question is just how many?

List 2043 has been running concurrent with two EMS lists for a while now. There are not many guys from the promo lists. It is usually not a major factor. This is nothing new.

[Moediaz]

JUST KIDDING!!!!





Some good suggestions, Riverdale, Throngs Neck, Woodlawn in the Bronx, Marine Park, Sheepshead Bay, Dyker Heights, Bensonhurst and Bay Ridge in Brooklyn, Bayside, Woodside, Astoria, Glen Oaks and the Rockaways in Queens are all nice places.

Best of Luck

FTM-PTB


Well...Riverdale is very expensive..houses run in the millions, apartments are about $4000+ a month !

[NYCTruckie]

ABC,
I know a lot of guys that stay in Astoria. It's just over the bridge from Queens. Nice short commute. But you will need at least one more room mate, probably two. And that goes for pretty much anywhere you end up staying at. No joke, rents are high and pay sucks. Start looking for a roomie.

[bostonfire]

anybody hear any more rumors about how many they plan on calling for the march class, and when is march the class is expected?

[ljones]

List 2043 has been running concurrent with two EMS lists for a while now. There are not many guys from the promo lists. It is usually not a major factor. This is nothing new.

I know the lists have been running together. But from what I have heard it usually accounts for a factor of around 5%. There were 3 guys EMS out of 22 or so, so that is more like 10%. I think the biggest factor will be the actual numbers of FF who retire this year. That is why the academy after March is being pushed to the Fall Sept/Oct, maybe the number of guys retiring is slowing down. I guess nobody can really predict any list or how far they will get on our list.

[az4302]

Called today spoke with investigations, they said to call back tuesday when the person who handles info packets is in but she did say they are up to mid 4700 with investigations. 481# and still waiting

[kingofdahill]

I know the lists have been running together. But from what I have heard it usually accounts for a factor of around 5%. There were 3 guys EMS out of 22 or so, so that is more like 10%. I think the biggest factor will be the actual numbers of FF who retire this year. That is why the academy after March is being pushed to the Fall Sept/Oct, maybe the number of guys retiring is slowing down. I guess nobody can really predict any list or how far they will get on our list.

Are you sure they were not candidates for EMS. There were alot at my psych test and a few for a medical all ems candidates not fire.

[ljones]

I am not 100 percent sure. But I do know that they came in the same room as we did, filling out the paperwork and putting down Firefighter Candidate. So I just assumed they were for the FF medical. But I am not sure how it works if they were there for EMS or not.

[Kanoobs]

4700s for investigations? Are you sure you don't mean 4700s for packets? I hope you're right, but that means they are REALLY tearing through the list now and there MUST be a class after the fall/summer

[ljones]

4700s for investigations? Are you sure you don't mean 4700s for packets? I hope you're right, but that means they are REALLY tearing through the list now and there MUST be a class after the fall/summer

If I am not mistaken, packets is basically the same thing as investigations. Another words, when you fill out a packet, you give in all your info and then you are assigned an investigator. This happens before the medical. But being investigated and going through the medical doesn't guarantee you a spot in the academy, at least that is what I heard. Each candidate has to pay a 75 dollar money order fee for the process, so it really doesn't cost the city anything to go through with the investigation and medical process, they probably make money off it, that is why they charge 75 for each person. But its a step in the right direction.

[FFFRED]

If I am not mistaken, packets is basically the same thing as investigations. Another words, when you fill out a packet, you give in all your info and then you are assigned an investigator. This happens before the medical. But being investigated and going through the medical doesn't guarantee you a spot in the academy, at least that is what I heard. Each candidate has to pay a 75 dollar money order fee for the process, so it really doesn't cost the city anything to go through with the investigation and medical process, they probably make money off it, that is why they charge 75 for each person. But its a step in the right direction.


In case some weren't sure it is absolutely offical as in the Dept orders 300 new probies in March.

Best of luck.

FTM-PTB

[soon2bJake]

If I am not mistaken, packets is basically the same thing as investigations. Another words, when you fill out a packet, you give in all your info and then you are assigned an investigator. This happens before the medical. But being investigated and going through the medical doesn't guarantee you a spot in the academy, at least that is what I heard. Each candidate has to pay a 75 dollar money order fee for the process, so it really doesn't cost the city anything to go through with the investigation and medical process, they probably make money off it, that is why they charge 75 for each person. But its a step in the right direction.

yeah you're right, when you hand you packet in thats when you investigation starts, they will do you investigation before, while, and after your med and phsyc. depends on your list number. ex: if numbers 4600 to 4800 get packets and hand them in, then they will start investigating numbers 4600 to 4650, then when that group is done they will do another block of like 50 or a hundred. so some people could have there entire background done before their med, and some just before the academy, even though they handed them in on the same day. The $75 is for your finger prints, im not sure who the money goes too but it seems as if every time i have to get my prints taken for one reason or anther (whether it's for another job or a licence, things of that nature) it always cost $75, i dont think they are making a profit off of it. but also remember the medical resoults are only good for a year, so if you get called the the medical and have a good number chances are they may be looking to get to your number in less then a year, otherwise they would push your medical date back. ie, if you have your medical scheduled before May 5th of this year, looks like you have a shot to get hired off of the list.

[abcdefg]

What happened to the grapevine?

[Kanoobs]

If I am not mistaken, packets is basically the same thing as investigations. Another words, when you fill out a packet, you give in all your info and then you are assigned an investigator. This happens before the medical. But being investigated and going through the medical doesn't guarantee you a spot in the academy, at least that is what I heard. Each candidate has to pay a 75 dollar money order fee for the process, so it really doesn't cost the city anything to go through with the investigation and medical process, they probably make money off it, that is why they charge 75 for each person. But its a step in the right direction.



Turning in your packet is not exactly the same as truly beggining the investigations process. It takes a few months to get assigned an investigator, maybe a little less. I think that's when the investigations really begins.

As for the 75 bucks, it covers prints only, not the medical. The med is the first time the department is really spending money on you. It costs them several hundred dollars per candidate. It's no guarantee that they'll get to you (believe me, I'm fretting that now), but it's a step in the right direction.

**The Grapevine is still up, but the old thread is gone, probobly due to all that spam porn crap. There's a new thread though, so go back and keep up the info.

[az4302]

Spoke with investigations again today, packet to 4800's go out march 15th.

[ericjames131]

what is the number to investigations?

[az4302]

718-999-1146, you will have to leave a message but they have been fairly good at returning them.

[nycthirteen]

hey everyone,

so it seems my number is finally coming up - only crappy thing is, i've been ignoring for the longest time that i was *technically* ineligible when i took the test. i was a few months too old.

i wonder if anyone has any idea how to get around this? has anyone heard of any stories about anyone who has been able to slip it a few months by investigations, or somehow otherwise get around it? do they actually do the math after seeing my birth certificate and realize you are too old?

any advice would be appreciated. i'm sure most of what i'll hear is "you're ****ed" or "get a fake id" or something like that...

[19FDNY77]

hey everyone,

so it seems my number is finally coming up - only crappy thing is, i've been ignoring for the longest time that i was *technically* ineligible when i took the test. i was a few months too old.

i wonder if anyone has any idea how to get around this? has anyone heard of any stories about anyone who has been able to slip it a few months by investigations, or somehow otherwise get around it? do they actually do the math after seeing my birth certificate and realize you are too old?

any advice would be appreciated. i'm sure most of what i'll hear is "you're ****ed" or "get a fake id" or something like that...

No way to get around this. Very competative and honestly once they know your age, if too old they will do away with you! I am currently 30 yrs old and am expecting to get in the march class. Its a blessing they made my number when they did. I hope it all works out for you. Good luck!

[kingofdahill]

hey everyone,

so it seems my number is finally coming up - only crappy thing is, i've been ignoring for the longest time that i was *technically* ineligible when i took the test. i was a few months too old.

i wonder if anyone has any idea how to get around this? has anyone heard of any stories about anyone who has been able to slip it a few months by investigations, or somehow otherwise get around it? do they actually do the math after seeing my birth certificate and realize you are too old?

any advice would be appreciated. i'm sure most of what i'll hear is "you're ****ed" or "get a fake id" or something like that...

that is one of the first things they do at your interview. There were a couple of guys that made it to the interview and ended up leaving because they were too old. Unless of course you fall under their military rules.

[19FDNY77]

Hey all, Rumor has it that the letters will go out for the next class on Feb 12th. Swear in date is the last monday of this month and the class will begin march 5th. The list is SUPPOSED to get up to 3700-3800 for this class and they will appoint somewhere in the 250-300 range for the march class. This is coming from an insider at metrotech. Hope some of you get called as I am 34** on the list and should get called for this class. Good luck all!

[cobrajet4v]

Hey all, Rumor has it that the letters will go out for the next class on Feb 12th. Swear in date is the last monday of this month and the class will begin march 5th. The list is SUPPOSED to get up to 3700-3800 for this class and they will appoint somewhere in the 250-300 range for the march class. This is coming from an insider at metrotech. Hope some of you get called as I am 34** on the list and should get called for this class. Good luck all!

Let's all hope this stays true!! Countin' on ya!!! Good luck to all and hopefully see ya in a couple of weeks!!!

[FDNY78]

Let's all hope this stays true!! Countin' on ya!!! Good luck to all and hopefully see ya in a couple of weeks!!!

Just want to wish all of you guys the best of luck that are coming into the next class. I was was in your shoes a year ago and I know what the anticipation is like. It truly is a wonderful job that I am grateful to be a part of. Hope you all have a wonderful career.

Walk in there like gentlemen

[Djbrasco]

I deff want to wish all the best of luck!! Dont know whats really going to happen with this list...the last one was extended and with this survey test we just took who knows what will happen.

www.Firstresponders911.com

[ffcmc4]

i'm 460? on 2043. i got a few calls from people telling me they got reference forms to fill out for me. i had my med this month, no date for the psych though.

[Kanoobs]

460? ???? People have reference forms for you? Jobs or people you listed as contacts??

I'm 44?? and I've had med and psych, but I'm not aware of anyone recieveing letters.....

...strange.

[ffcmc4]

people... i'll have to check with my current and previous employers to see if any of them got anything. do you know how many of your previous jobs they send letters to?

[ffcmc4]

i just got a call from a previous employer... they also got paperwork to fill out

[cobrajet4v]

Hey all, Rumor has it that the letters will go out for the next class on Feb 12th. Swear in date is the last monday of this month and the class will begin march 5th. The list is SUPPOSED to get up to 3700-3800 for this class and they will appoint somewhere in the 250-300 range for the march class. This is coming from an insider at metrotech. Hope some of you get called as I am 34** on the list and should get called for this class. Good luck all!

any word on if the letters went out yet?

thanks.

[19FDNY77]

According to MT, the letters were supposed to go out yesterday. When I called them yesterday, No answer. I spoke to INV. today and he said he forgot they were closed cause of lincolns Bday and the letters went out today! Good luck to all!!

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[bostonfire]

do they send letters out incrementally (like 300 at first, then see if they need to send more) or do they already know how many letters need to be sent out right at the start. In other words, are there waves of letters or do they come in one bang?

19FDNY77, where are you on the list?

[19FDNY77]

Im low 34xx and from what I was told, they will go in the range of 3700-3800 for this class. Dont hold me to that as I was told this once before and was missed by more than 300 people. Good luck all, one more thing, Letters went out today as MT was closed on monday due to lincolns bday. Good luck all! I will keep you posted if I receive mine in the mail. GL all

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[ljones]

people... i'll have to check with my current and previous employers to see if any of them got anything. do you know how many of your previous jobs they send letters to?

I think they contact at least one previous employer, I dont think they contact a specific number because some people only have ONE previous employer and some may have 5. So I believe it is definately one, probably most recent. Also, I think they contact 2 personal references, I know we had to list 3 of them, they were different from the work ones.

[Kanoobs]

Has anyone been contacted? If so, when? Anyone with this info, please include your ROUGH list number.

[ffcmc4]

I think they contact at least one previous employer, I dont think they contact a specific number because some people only have ONE previous employer and some may have 5. So I believe it is definately one, probably most recent. Also, I think they contact 2 personal references, I know we had to list 3 of them, they were different from the work ones.



Ya, one of my previous employers called me to let me know they got something in the mail. i have to check with the others. also my personal references got forms to fill out.

[longislandhoboe]

spoke with my investigator last night and she told me that no letters have been sent out as of yet and infact they were just told that they will not be sent out untill some time mext week as the class that was supposed to start on march 5th has been pushed back a week to the 12th. this info came straight from her mouth, also she said that she could not officially tell me if i was in or not but told me i have a really good chance, wink wink, and i am in the very low 3700. i hope this info helps some of you guys out, i look foward to meeting all of you on the 12th

[fdny76]

anyone hear they're gonna push back the march class 1 week? i'm reading that on the grapevine board.

[UDFD26]

I've been hearing some rumors. Don't know if any of them are true?

[LPFD53]

UD, are you getting in soon or what? I'll be at Casey's on Sat. if you're going to that fundraiser...

[fdny76]

I've been hearing some rumors. Don't know if any of them are true?

It's true...the march 5th class is not going to start on time....probably pushed back a week or 2....as per CID today

[emdprez]

It's true...the march 5th class is not going to start on time....probably pushed back a week or 2....as per CID today

Just confirming... I also spoke to my investigator today and she said the class was pushed back one week.

emd
37xx's

[ljones]

Does anyone know what exactly the psych part consist of? I gotta go for it in 2 weeks

[bostonfire]

psych is simple. as people have posted here before, you draw three pictures and answer about 600 true/false questions.

what's your list #?

[nycali98]

They are still doing psych's...

[Kanoobs]

So I've heard. Guys into the 4600's are having med/psych

[UDFD26]

Has anyone heard when the letters are going out yet?

[ffcmc4]

yup, still doing psychs. i'm in the 4600's and i have my psych monday the 26th. already done my med and background

[nycali98]

1500 numbers ahead...... they ahve to hire alot more

[bostonfire]

nycali98--are you saying that in order for FDNY to reach 4600 they would have to hire a lot of poeple, or are you saying that the fact that he is going for his psych with a list number in the 4600's is a sign that they should be hiring a lot more people?

[nycali98]

I am saying that becasue I really dont know why they are still doing these tests when they are so far away. I say it is a good sign.....

[Kanoobs]

I am saying that becasue I really dont know why they are still doing these tests when they are so far away. I say it is a good sign.....


On some level it has to be a good sign. At least I'd like to think so. Why waste people's time and money if these people (myself included) are not going to be reached on the list. Remember, there are 14 months left on this list, I feel like well are all forgetting that. The could put a class in right up until May of '08. The classes can run beyon the list.

[nyorker85]

Good Luck & Best Wishes to the current class who graduates tomorrow at Brooklyn College.

Be Safe

[ljones]

I go for my psych in a week, I am in the 4,600's also. Med is complete, background check for everyone in the 4,600's I heard is still going on, they didn't complete them yet, actually as of Feb 1st investigators starting being assigned.

[Kanoobs]

Then you have or have not been in contact with your investigator?

[ljones]

Then you have or have not been in contact with your investigator?

I know my personal references have all been contacted by the invistigator and I sent everything else in that I needed on that checklist that I didnt have on me that day - w2s and stuff. ANd I have my pysch coming up. I heard that everyone is being assigned invistigators as of Feb 1st and the process takes about 2 months to fully complete your invistigation. No one has called me though specifically. I heard they usually call u when you are missing something they want. There was so much crap to give into them.

[Kanoobs]

I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't call you for a while if you're missing something. Seems like they're busy right now trying to get everything together for the March class, whenever it's going to be.

[Kanoobs]

News anyone? Anyone getting hired or will this be a phantom class?

[ljones]

I heard march 6th. Heard they will get up to 3,700 on the list with this upcoming class, then a slow down and the next class will be more than the usually 3 months and start in Sept/Oct. I took the psych, Packed auditorium, practically every seat filled.

[az4302]

Department orders released today, corrected date quartermaster will be closed to outfit new class to march 6,7,8 and 9th.

[ffbam24]

Dept Order 018_2007 (http://www.nyc.gov/html/fdny/insider/resources/do/2007/018_2007.pdf)
Comes as a .pdf file.

bam

[Kanoobs]

I heard march 6th. Heard they will get up to 3,700 on the list with this upcoming class, then a slow down and the next class will be more than the usually 3 months and start in Sept/Oct. I took the psych, Packed auditorium, practically every seat filled.


The fact that the auditorium was packed doesn't mean anything really? In a room of a hundred people there could have easily been a span of 200 numbers. The telling day was packet turn in. Only about half the guys showed that day. That's how you can REALLY tell who's serious and who's not taking it.

[ffcmc4]

check out the firehouse.com homepage. their is an article about the academy being extended to 23 weeks

[FFFRED]

check out the firehouse.com homepage. their is an article about the academy being extended to 23 weeks

City Council testimony (http://webdocs.nyccouncil.info/attachments/76147.htm?CFID=2023005&CFTOKEN=19083523)

February 27, 2007
City Will Add 10 Weeks to Training for Firefighters
By TRYMAINE LEE
The Fire Department will add 10 weeks to its 13-week training program for probationary firefighters at an annual cost of $12.4 million, fire officials said yesterday during a City Council hearing on the plan.

Assistant Fire Chief Thomas Galvin, head of the department’s Bureau of Training, said the enriched curriculum, to be phased in starting next month, would add about 400 hours to an already rigorous curriculum.

He said the two primary reasons for enhancing the program were firefighter safety and lowered application requirements.

Of the last 25 deaths of firefighters in the line of duty, Chief Galvin said, the majority were at least partly a result of unexpected structural issues. In one case in 2005, firefighters in a Bronx apartment building, became trapped when walls that had been illegally erected compromised the building’s integrity and collapsed with firefighters and residents inside. In other cases, he said, owners had divided larger rooms into separate apartments, and the new walls obstructed access to fire escapes. Often, he said, firefighters become trapped in a maze of illegally altered buildings.

“Our Bureau of Training has worked hard to draft a new, expanded curriculum,” he said. “We believe that we can keep our firefighters in the field safer if, as probationary firefighters, we educate them about how a building is constructed, what its layout will be and what to expect once they get inside a building to fight a fire or carry out a rescue.”

Since the Department of Citywide Administrative Services announced last year that the education and work requirements for prospective firefighters would be lowered in 2008, Chief Galvin said, the Fire Department has believed that it must increase training. Prospective firefighters will still be required to have a high school diploma. But under the new requirements, their college credit requirement has been cut to 15 from 30, and they will need six months’ work experience or full-time military service with an honorable discharge. Previously they needed the diploma and the 30 credits or the diploma and an honorable discharge.

The department currently has four classes of about 150 recruits a year. The extended program, expected to begin on March 19, will cut the classes to two a year, but each class will have about 300 students.

The department will add five weeks of training for the first class and another five weeks when the second class begins in the fall. The city has earmarked $1.9 million to cover the cost of the first expanded class. An additional $12.4 million has been budgeted for the 2008 fiscal year.

Chief Galvin said that the enhanced course load would include continuing reviews of tactical skills, and that more time would be spent on the chemistry of fire and the study of hazardous materials.

James Slevin, the vice president of the Uniformed Firefighters Association, said that while better training for firefighters was good, he questioned the necessity of more training. “The U.F.A. has not been consulted with or informed about the expanded” training program, he told the City Council’s Committee on Fire and Criminal Justice Services. “The money that is being spent on the training would better be spent on reopening the six closed firehouses.”

FTM-PTB

[19FDNY77]

Just spoke to Marge Prather head of the investigations unit at metrotech and she says that they are still aiming for the 19th as a start date but will most likely not happen! She said that the class will most def. start the 26th if its not the 19th. She also said this is not set in stone so for all she knows, they will call her tommorrow and tell her to send the letters out for the 19th! so everyone keep your fingers crossed and keep checking your mailbox, and to all who are waiting for letters, including myself, good luck all and to all that graduated this feb, good luck and be safe wherever your journey takes you!

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[bostonfire]

did marge indicate how high they'd reach in the list?

[19FDNY77]

from another source inside metrotech, they got between 3750-38 for this class. Good Luck BOSTON!

Bobby Orr Is KING

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[andrewfd]

19FDNY77 -

How reliable is your source that says they will reach 3750-3800?

[Kanoobs]

So, are they still planning on sending out another round of packets or has that gone by the wayside?

[19FDNY77]

My source is pretty reliable as he is a high rankin official in the fd and he is my brother! He was also told the class would be in the 5th but that has changed now hasnt it. his source in MT is very reliable. He also said that rumor has it, there is a chance they reach 4000 but he said a more realistic number is 3750-38 so lets not get ahead of ourselves and see this realistically. again, good luck to you all!

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[Kanoobs]

<<<bump>>>

[sanitationmike]

My investigator told me this morning to call at the end of the week and they will give us verbal confirmation on where each one of us stand. They have yet to mail anything out to candidates

[sanitationmike]

I just talked to my investigator she told me to call at the end of the week and they will give us verbal confirmation.

[fredj40]

What are the requirements for the 1st day that determine if you stay or go?

[Kanoobs]

Word is the March 19th start is official and letters will be out ASAP for a March 12th swear in. Keep your fingers crossed that this isn't just another rumor!

Good luck!

[19FDNY77]

OK HERE> Just spoke to my investigator Lance Dubner and according to him, it is confirmed the dates of the class, Paperwork will be done on the 19th and the class starts the 26th and this IS CONFIRMED information! class does not start on the 19th, paperwork is the 19th! Letters are goin out today or tommorrow so should arrive by the end of the week. Good luck all

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[bostonfire]

any indication on how big the class would be and how many they would call?

[potatofamine]

Hey guys, sorry to clutter up your thread with a post about the new list, but I thought that maybe you guys would be better able to answer my questions for me since you've already been through most of the process.

I filed for the last test (6019) in the fall, while I was still living at home on Long Island. Since then, I moved into Queens to make my commute to the Police Academy this summer a little easier.

Since I filed for the test with my old address, will this disqualify me from recieving residency credit? A friend told me that he had been in a similar situation a couple of tests ago, and he didn't recieve the credit when the list came out because the address he filed from wasn't a city address. I called DCAS and the Recruitment Unit, and both of them told me that I should be fine, since I did claim the credit on the exam sheet, I was just wondering if any of you had been in a similar situation.

Also, I'm starting to put together my file now to prove that I live in my apartment, and I was wondering which bills I should be saving? Finally, it says that I need to prove my residency from March of this year until March of next- some of my bills don't come until the end of the month, will they have a problem that they aren't from March 1st?

I really appreciate any help that you guys could give me!

[nyorker85]

any indication on how big the class would be and how many they would call?

FDNY previoulsy announced classes of 300, twice a year.

Previous rule of thumb is 2:1 for the numbers. So for 300 candidates the list would move 600 numbers. Last called was 3095 so the 600 would bring it in around 3700.

Good Luck

[bostonfire]

i was directing my question to 19fdny77.

nyorker85, aren't you already on the job?

[19FDNY77]

i was directing my question to 19fdny77.

nyorker85, aren't you already on the job?



not too sure on how to answer this but from what I heard, they are supposed to reach somewhere in the 3750-3800 range and could POSSIBLY go a little higher. Heard alot of people were passed over for whatever reasons. Good luck to you. I myself am expecting a letter as my number is 34** so good luck to whoever gets a latter this week!

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[sanitationmike]

Did anyone talk to their investigator today anything new?

[Kanoobs]

I'm sure that the investigators are getting a little tired of hearing from people every day.......plus, they don't seem to be dishing out answers........

[19FDNY77]

Well Like I posted yesterday, the date is official, no more grapevine or anything! You could hear for yourself by calling the head of investigation at 718-999-2216 Mrs Prather is her name. There will be a message of an official date for the class. No more guessing boys, The letters r goin out today the 6th and tommorrow the 7th so all, good luck and God bless all!

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[az4302]

Has anybody above 4800 recieved any info packet yet.

[sanitationmike]

I concur with everyone letters are going out today and they went out yesterday. They made it to list number 3954 and the class is the 26th. Good luck boys and girls see you in the academy

[BEANER51]

48XX Got my packet on Saturday, South Eastern PA, looks like it took about 2 days to get here.

[Kanoobs]

Wow, more packets still? They MUST think they're going to reach a great deal higher. If they get into the 3800's this time around it's still another thousand names away!! WOW, What date do you guys have to come in for the packet turn in?

[az4302]

Packet turn in is Aprill 10th at 8:30 A.M. list # 481#

[abcdefg]

I concur with everyone letters are going out today and they went out yesterday. They made it to list number 3954 and the class is the 26th. Good luck boys and girls see you in the academy

Where did you hear the reached 3954?

[Kanoobs]

Where did you hear the reached 3954?


Yeah, I'm with you. I'd like to believe it, but how did you find this out so early

[19FDNY77]

I myself heard they were going to reach close to 4000 on the list and myself was a little confused of it but being im in the 34's it doenst mean anything to me BUT I DID hear this also a couple of weeks ago and My inv. told me they def reached 37-3800 and could possibly be higher so I do beleive this information. Good luck all

PS im sure well find if this information is correct the next 2-3 days now wont we?

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[19FDNY77]

Got my letter today boys. See you in a couple of weeks! Good luck all

list #34** lows

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[Kanoobs]

Congrats!

When will there be another class. The begining of the 23 week deal?

[Kanoobs]

Well, looks like this list did indeed reach the low 3900's. Congrats to you guys getting letters today and tomorrow. Of course the same to the guys who recieved them yesterday.

Lets keep hoping for an EARLY fall class. I hope, very sincerely, to make it!

44xx's

[abcdefg]

Whats the latest word?

[emdprez]

Just received my letter!!
#374X
See you guys on the Rock..
'God Bless!!

[sanitationmike]

Im freaking out i havent recieved my letter and i live in suffolk ny. Does anyone have there letter in suffolk. where do you live

[FatherPierce]

Good luck to the probies starting the 26th!

Get ready for a cast of characters like you've never seen...

Kanoobs, you are almost definetly in for the fall - could be Sept, or it could be Nov.

Paperwork is a long day, but DON'T BRING a newspaper!!!

[19FDNY77]

Thanks father pierce for the heads up and say a prayer for all of us starting on the 26th!

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[Kanoobs]

Kanoobs, you are almost definetly in for the fall - could be Sept, or it could be Nov.

Thanks for the vote of confidence. I hope you're right!!!!


Best of luck to all this month! The adventure is just begining...

[ljones]

Thanks for the vote of confidence. I hope you're right!!!!


Best of luck to all this month! The adventure is just begining...

This is what I heard but u never know what is truth and what is not. THis class in March will reach in the 3,800s. The next class will not be until at the earliest October 2007 and it will be a bit smaller containing about 200 - 250. So you figure if this current class uses up to 3,800, and they have a class of 200 for October, they will use up about 400 more names making everyone up until around 4,200 - 4,300 game for the October/ Fall class. But take it for what it is, just news, its all just news until it is posted on the officially website.
Let me know what everyonelse hears.

[Kanoobs]

And where did this information come from because the New York Times stated a class of 300 in the Fall.

Also, it appears that this class reached about 3900 and that changes the ratio BIG time. So even if they only take 200 in the fall, they will go through more than 400 and hopefully close to 600 names.

[montylnc]

I just recieved my letter, I'm in the upper 36--. I'm from the west, so where does everyone live? Married, a newborn, prefer a house, but what's affordable in NY?

[19FDNY77]

I just recieved my letter, I'm in the upper 36--. I'm from the west, so where does everyone live? Married, a newborn, prefer a house, but what's affordable in NY?

Where from the west are your from? I hope you got your pennies saved up unless you plan to live in the ghetto! I myself am from Staten Island (anyone wanna car pool?) and it probably is the most affordable borough in the area unless your looking for something very cheap like the ghetto! Cheapest youll find in staten island is 650-700 and thats a studio for 1 person with no furniture! Manhattan is very expensive and depending on where ur looking in brooklyn/bronx/queens, your probably looking more towards the 1000-1500 range! Staten Island you could find a 2 bedroom rental not including utilities for about 1200 so like I said, hope you have your pennies saved cause what we start off at the academy wont get you a place out here on its own, again Good luck to you and your family!

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[Fronedog824]

Wow, more packets still? They MUST think they're going to reach a great deal higher. If they get into the 3800's this time around it's still another thousand names away!! WOW, What date do you guys have to come in for the packet turn in?

Recieved my packet last week. #49xx. Interview is April 12.

[montylnc]

I'm from AZ. I have some cash on hand for rent and such. It is a really big pay cut, considering the cost of living. If I can sell my house and get things in line, I can make it. Does anyone know if turning the spot down and reinstating for the next academy work? Or are you tossed?

[LPFD53]

You can look to rent in areas of the Bronx that aren't too bad - Woodlawn, Throggs Neck, Riverdale.... or you could probably afford a house in one of the upstate counties (Orange would probably be your best bet). But living up there while in the academy can be a long ride everyday... I believe you can defer for almost any reason... but I'm not 100% sure on that.

[19FDNY77]

Ya see monty, the big problem here is that the next class will probably be the 2nd to last if not the last class from this current list! They plan on only putting in 2 classes a yr and for the most part, it is very competative and may be a strong possibility they waive your spot in the following class if you decide to turn this class down! I would call your investigator and further discuss it with them as all you will get from us at this post is our own ideas on what they will or not do for this situation. Dont take advice from anyone except your investigator cause they will have the RIGHT answer not us so, call them. You could try The head of candidate investigation. Her name is Marge Prather, her number is 718-999-2216. She honestly will give you MORE answers than your own investigator will. Godd luck with the whole process, maybe ill see you at the ROCK in 2 weeks!

List # 34**

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[montylnc]

Thanks for the info. I'm still trying to figure out a place to live. What parts of Staten Island are alright? I've never been there. Is the commute a killer from the southern parts? Are the upper parts a ghetto? I'm not so picky at this point, since I need residency this week!

[abcdefg]

Does anyone know what the number for the automated system is? I know it is not usually up to date. I am just trying to get things in line in case they call me for the fall class. List # 42XX.

p.s. CID's recording states they reached list number 3992 as of March 11.

Thanks

[bostonfire]

19FDNY77, you said: "it is very competative and may be a strong possibility they waive your spot in the following class if you decide to turn this class down!" Where the hell are you getting this information from? has anyone suggested to you that you can't defer?

[19FDNY77]

Boston, if you would like to take the chance to defer your spot within the last 2-3 classes while there still giving promotions and this new test is having the problems there having, go for it. I was just saying that I got called forthe class and had thechance to be a part of this family, im going to take that chance rather than take a chance on them putting me into the next class, and especially taking advice from people on this forum that dont know what there talking about. Remember Boston, this is a forum in which people give there opinions and if they have factual information, to pass the information on. Do you know something we all dont know? I think not. Remember one thing, I had some information and passed it on to this forum telling us there was a strong possibly they reached 4000 and some people thought I was nuts. What number are we up Boston? So I was 45 off, sorry dude! OPINIONS AND REAL INFORMATION IS WHAT A FORUM IS FOR! Take is as you want Boston. Im not arguing nor am I an enemy to you or any on this forum but lighten up dude, ask before you get snooty!

by the way Boston, My favorite Hockey Player is Bobby Orr, go bruins!

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[sanitationmike]

I live in west babylon anyone wanna car pool. Does anybody have any idea about lirr to manhatten subways trains buses to randalls. Again i would love to carpool with somebody.

[Kanoobs]

Called CID as well. They did in fact reach list # 3992 for March 26th.

Hope that 300 go again in September!!

[In2theJob]

For anyone going into the next class. SAVE your toll receipts! If you cross the bridge, pay cash do not use the ezpass. You will have the chance to hand receipts in at the end of the academy and get reimbursed for it. They will not accept Ezpass statements. At the times you head in the ezpass does not save anytime anyway.

It adds up.

[FDNY78]

I live in west babylon anyone wanna car pool. Does anybody have any idea about lirr to manhatten subways trains buses to randalls. Again i would love to carpool with somebody.

Hey man,

You need a car or a carpool. You'll have to be at the academy before 5:50am for early roll call and to take the train from all the way out there and then go to the east side and up to 125th and then on the bus isn't practical. You'd have to leave your house at 200 in the morning and I'm sure the trains don't run every 20 minutes at that time in the morning.

good luck

[sanitationmike]

Im willing to carpool with anyone. I have a very reliable car and live in babylon. Just let me know and send an email to mikeclancy28@yahoo.com. Im willing to split time driving every week. Thanks

[ljones]

Boston, if you would like to take the chance to defer your spot within the last 2-3 classes while there still giving promotions and this new test is having the problems there having, go for it. I was just saying that I got called forthe class and had thechance to be a part of this family, im going to take that chance rather than take a chance on them putting me into the next class, and especially taking advice from people on this forum that dont know what there talking about. Remember Boston, this is a forum in which people give there opinions and if they have factual information, to pass the information on. Do you know something we all dont know? I think not. Remember one thing, I had some information and passed it on to this forum telling us there was a strong possibly they reached 4000 and some people thought I was nuts. What number are we up Boston? So I was 45 off, sorry dude! OPINIONS AND REAL INFORMATION IS WHAT A FORUM IS FOR! Take is as you want Boston. Im not arguing nor am I an enemy to you or any on this forum but lighten up dude, ask before you get snooty!

by the way Boston, My favorite Hockey Player is Bobby Orr, go bruins!

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I have to agree with you 19FDNY, we just get the information we get and try to pass it along to help others. sometimes it is pretty acurate, but things change from class to class. Again, I heard the next class will not start until OCT of 2007 and be 200 candidates. Smaller class size because of the less need of new FF's and if the new raise is all set, the less FF's the city can afford. As far as the ratio no one knows, it changes and at better pay less guys may pass it up. But you figure it will use up at least 400 more names.

[kingofdahill]

I have to agree with you 19FDNY, we just get the information we get and try to pass it along to help others. sometimes it is pretty acurate, but things change from class to class. Again, I heard the next class will not start until OCT of 2007 and be 200 candidates. Smaller class size because of the less need of new FF's and if the new raise is all set, the less FF's the city can afford. As far as the ratio no one knows, it changes and at better pay less guys may pass it up. But you figure it will use up at least 400 more names.

you also said you heard this march class would be 200-250 names and that the ratio would be about 2:1. look where that went. how is it that the city announces that two classes of 300 will be put in but you guys keep lowering the number. they said 300 for march and guess what 300 are going in. on top of that would it make sense to put the longest academy class in (23 weeks) with fewer candidates. Spending more money to train less firefighters??

[sanitationmike]

It would be stupid not to take the job now. First of all many guys were passing the job up because they did not know about the pay raise and now that there is one people will be jumping on the job left and right. Second, the class is going through 5 more weeks in the academy come october "or whenever the class gets put together, who knows when the next class will evolve, we were supposed to start at the end of February. Third, would you want to drive to randalls island during the winter months especially after the semi mild winter we had this year, you know its gonna be bad next year. The other thing is that 1 out of 2 candidates get disqualified because of their heart rate on the stair stepper, so i wouldnt think many more people were just not taking the job because of monetary reasons.

[abcdefg]

Does anyone know or know how to find out how many people are on deferment? Im wondering if people who have defered will take the job in the fall. I would think the guys who really want the job would not have defered it, but who knows. What do you guys think?

Hoping for the fall...42XX.

[Kanoobs]

It would be stupid not to take the job now. First of all many guys were passing the job up because they did not know about the pay raise and now that there is one people will be jumping on the job left and right. Second, the class is going through 5 more weeks in the academy come october "or whenever the class gets put together, who knows when the next class will evolve, we were supposed to start at the end of February. Third, would you want to drive to randalls island during the winter months especially after the semi mild winter we had this year, you know its gonna be bad next year. The other thing is that 1 out of 2 candidates get disqualified because of their heart rate on the stair stepper, so i wouldnt think many more people were just not taking the job because of monetary reasons.

Okay, Mike, first of all: 1 out of 2 do not fail the heart rate. It's more like 20% fail. You then have to consider that many of these people came back and passed 30 or 60 days later.

Second: Anyone who skipped on the job because of the pay is already gone and they don't have the chance to come back. The BIGGEST loss of people is at the initial packet turn in. Only about 40% show up for this at this point. The VAST majority of people who pass the med and psych don't then skip out on the job because of pay. When the letters go out to cardidates for a class, CID already has a very good idea who is going to pass up and who's going to take it. There are not many people of pass up the job when they recieve a letter for a class.

Third: The New York Times reported a class of 300 in the fall. These classes will replace the old way of having 4 150 man class a year. The city still needs firefighters and many more are still retiring.

And lastly, even if they only take 200, there is an excellent chance that they will eat up 500 or 600 names. No guarantee, but a good chance.

Good luck all.

[kingofdahill]

It would be stupid not to take the job now. First of all many guys were passing the job up because they did not know about the pay raise and now that there is one people will be jumping on the job left and right. Second, the class is going through 5 more weeks in the academy come october "or whenever the class gets put together, who knows when the next class will evolve, we were supposed to start at the end of February. Third, would you want to drive to randalls island during the winter months especially after the semi mild winter we had this year, you know its gonna be bad next year. The other thing is that 1 out of 2 candidates get disqualified because of their heart rate on the stair stepper, so i wouldnt think many more people were just not taking the job because of monetary reasons.

if guys are jumping on left and right why did they go thu 900 guys to get this class? ( give or take a few who need to clear things up).the guys who are showing up and check out will more then likely take the job. they knew the starting rate when they started the process.

[abcdefg]

Does anyone know if your investigator will tell you if you have passed everything... or do you just assume you passed if you do not hear anything. In other words, do they tell you if you fail a portion?

[Kanoobs]

Does anyone know if your investigator will tell you if you have passed everything... or do you just assume you passed if you do not hear anything. In other words, do they tell you if you fail a portion?

I'm 99% certain they will tell you if you are hung up on something. It's a "no news is good news" kinda situation. Still, I would call your investigator when you're through with everything to make sure. Don't pester them, but certainly call and ask if everything is in order or if there is anything you can supply them with.

[FDNY78]

"First of all many guys were passing the job up because they did not know about the pay raise and now that there is one people will be jumping on the job left and right."

Guys there is no pay raise yet. It still has to be voted on and from what I've been hearing at the firehouse there is a good chance that it won't. But who knows? Anything can happen.

[ljones]

Okay, Mike, first of all: 1 out of 2 do not fail the heart rate. It's more like 20% fail. You then have to consider that many of these people came back and passed 30 or 60 days later.

Second: Anyone who skipped on the job because of the pay is already gone and they don't have the chance to come back. The BIGGEST loss of people is at the initial packet turn in. Only about 40% show up for this at this point. The VAST majority of people who pass the med and psych don't then skip out on the job because of pay. When the letters go out to cardidates for a class, CID already has a very good idea who is going to pass up and who's going to take it. There are not many people of pass up the job when they recieve a letter for a class.

Third: The New York Times reported a class of 300 in the fall. These classes will replace the old way of having 4 150 man class a year. The city still needs firefighters and many more are still retiring.

And lastly, even if they only take 200, there is an excellent chance that they will eat up 500 or 600 names. No guarantee, but a good chance.

Good luck all.
u are right about the percent of failed heart rate. I know when I went for the med, we had 23 people, and 3 failed. The guy said that usually one or two in every group. And every group is usually btwn 20 -25 candidates at the same day for the med. They only have 30 days though to come back from what I am told. As far as the NY times saying that there is 300 in the fall, that can always change. From what I was told on the day of my med was that it was going to be October and 200 FF's. But you are right about it can eat like 500 names. You can never predict the exact ratio of the list, being that guys this low may not pass up the job at all, if they have waited this long. At the least 2 to 1 ration, best case 3 to 1.

[Kanoobs]

u are right about the percent of failed heart rate. I know when I went for the med, we had 23 people, and 3 failed. The guy said that usually one or two in every group. And every group is usually btwn 20 -25 candidates at the same day for the med. They only have 30 days though to come back from what I am told. As far as the NY times saying that there is 300 in the fall, that can always change. From what I was told on the day of my med was that it was going to be October and 200 FF's. But you are right about it can eat like 500 names. You can never predict the exact ratio of the list, being that guys this low may not pass up the job at all, if they have waited this long. At the least 2 to 1 ration, best case 3 to 1.

Guys have 30 days to retake the medical. If they fail the second time then can retake in another 30 days. If you fail this round you can go and have a stress test done. This would be on YOUR dime and it's very expensive.

The Times could very well be wrong, but no one at the Medical really knows anything either. They told me I'd make March at my medical and I'm not even close. Hope for that 300! Look at it this way, they are firing out packets still to guys up to 5000. Clearly they know something and it equals a need for more people. This is the city of New York, they wouldn't waste there time if they didn't have to!! ;)

[Kanoobs]

City Council's preliminary budget is up and it states 23 weeks in Sept. Ya never know though!

[abcdefg]

City Council's preliminary budget is up and it states 23 weeks in Sept. Ya never know though!

Did it say how many guys?

[bostonfire]

kanoobs, do you have a link for where it says september in the city budget? I've been looking and can't find it.

[Kanoobs]

kanoobs, do you have a link for where it says september in the city budget? I've been looking and can't find it.

Not sure what the link is. That was second hand info. No word on ###s of guys.

[kingofdahill]

it says it in a couple areas but if you see the large box that says preliminary budget it is written on the side of that box and continues in a paragraph under the box.

[Kanoobs]

Scroll down and read:

http://webdocs.nyccouncil.info/attachments/76308.htm


Note that the report says that overtime costs are still high, even if it has to do with the extended proby period. There's open slots that are currently filled with over time, so keep looking for 300 in Sept. Keep hoping at least...

[ljones]

Scroll down and read:

http://webdocs.nyccouncil.info/attachments/76308.htm


Note that the report says that overtime costs are still high, even if it has to do with the extended proby period. There's open slots that are currently filled with over time, so keep looking for 300 in Sept. Keep hoping at least...

SOunds like good news! But you are right about people at the MED not knowing what is going on, cause what they were saying is that there was gonna be a slow down on hires, around 200 because highering new probies was more costly than letting existing firefighters have more overtime, due to the fact that the city has to pay the health benefits for new hires. But the budget says the opposite, that they will hire more. who knows I am confused like the rest of us.

[SuperSoaker10]

Anyone have a run down what the first day at "the Rock" is like. everyone emphasizes the 1.5 mile run in under 13 minutes. what happends to those who fall short of that requirement. do they immediately disqualify you? what else should new probies expect on the first day?? any/all responses would be appreciated.

[kingofdahill]

Talked to CID today. they said probably won't go higher then 4,010 for the march class. However they said they have been hearing "AUGUST" for a fall class. anywhere between 200-300 guys for the class. Again this is early and just speculation but something to look froward to.

[abcdefg]

Talked to CID today. they said probably won't go higher then 4,010 for the march class. However they said they have been hearing "AUGUST" for a fall class. anywhere between 200-300 guys for the class. Again this is early and just speculation but something to look froward to.

Where did you hear they got up to 4010?

Thanks

[kingofdahill]

Where did you hear they got up to 4010?

Thanks

I heard it from CID. I'm not saying they hit 4,010 but they said they probably won't get higher then 4,010 for the march class.

[Kanoobs]

Anyone have a run down what the first day at "the Rock" is like. everyone emphasizes the 1.5 mile run in under 13 minutes. what happends to those who fall short of that requirement. do they immediately disqualify you? what else should new probies expect on the first day?? any/all responses would be appreciated.


You are sworn in on the first day. This way you are covered by insurance and are being paid. You go through the Run, the push-ups, sit-ups and the pull-ups. If you fail anything other than the run you go to remedial PT. If you do the run in over 12 minutes you are in remedial. If you do the run in over 13 mintues you go back to the Medical office at Metro Tech and they put you on the step mill again. If you fail the heart rate you are out of the class. DO NOT FAIL ANYTHING, I've been told. RUN RUN RUN!!!!

As for the rest of the first day, I don't know. Everything above is the standard stuff.


kingofdahill, 4010? That's reasonable. Having to call 18 more people before the class starts for good on the 26th? Sounds right. THey told you 2 to 300 for the fall? Okay

[Kanoobs]

Been reading the other forums:

More than one sources says August and others have reported taht there will be a December or January class following. Someone said both were to be 300.

More good info @(for the new guys):

http://nyfd.com/invboard/index.php?showforum=1

[longislandhoboe]

just another question, just how short do they want our hair? and i think we all know what we are expected to wear on monday but waht to bring? $20,proby books, pens, pencil, 2combo locks,duct tape, insurance form filled out,black sharpie,a notebook, black bag, pt clothes, towel, shampoo,soap,extra socks and draws, 2 10# weights, 2x3 rug rembrent, is there anything at all that i have missed the last thing i want is to show up without something

[Kanoobs]

What......did everyone around here get hired?

[kingofdahill]

What......did everyone around here get hired?

Hey kanoobs on that automated phone # it says I am currently on an outstanding certification. up until this past week it always said I was not. Do you know if this mean my # is certified for hire?

[bostonfire]

kingofdahill, i heard that recording and was wondering the same thing. sounds like a good sign. what number are you? i'm 40xx.

[FDNY78]

just another question, just how short do they want our hair? and i think we all know what we are expected to wear on monday but waht to bring? $20,proby books, pens, pencil, 2combo locks,duct tape, insurance form filled out,black sharpie,a notebook, black bag, pt clothes, towel, shampoo,soap,extra socks and draws, 2 10# weights, 2x3 rug rembrent, is there anything at all that i have missed the last thing i want is to show up without something

They're letting you guys shower????

[kingofdahill]

kingofdahill, i heard that recording and was wondering the same thing. sounds like a good sign. what number are you? i'm 40xx.

4,1xx hoping for aug.

[Kanoobs]

I too am now on an outstanding certification.

44xx.

This just means that you are cleared and ready to go if they reach you, right?

[abcdefg]

A couple of questions for guys already on the job.
I am 41XX and will am complete with the process. I am just waiting now. Can anyone give info on what it is like in the firehouse? Is it as great as most guys say it is? How does the pension work? Is it 50% after 20 years and does it go up after that? Does anyone take the subway to work? How much vacation do you get (I know that is the least of my problems, just wondering)? Do they offer alternative savings such as 401k or 457?

Any insight to the actual job and details would be helpfull not only to me, but to others as well. It may sound like I am looking for perks, but that is not so. I believe it would be the greatest job in the world, as most say. I just want to know what all I may be getting into. I understand the Rock will be extremely hard and will take alot of dedication. I just like making informed deciesions.

Thanks to all.

[abcdefg]

Does anyone know how long it takes (by car) to get from Park Slope to The Rock?

Also, is anyone going to be looking for a roomate for the "November" class? Im out of state and need to find a place when the time comes. 41XX

Thanks

[FDNY78]

A couple of questions for guys already on the job.
I am 41XX and will am complete with the process. I am just waiting now. Can anyone give info on what it is like in the firehouse? Is it as great as most guys say it is? How does the pension work? Is it 50% after 20 years and does it go up after that? Does anyone take the subway to work? How much vacation do you get (I know that is the least of my problems, just wondering)? Do they offer alternative savings such as 401k or 457?

Any insight to the actual job and details would be helpfull not only to me, but to others as well. It may sound like I am looking for perks, but that is not so. I believe it would be the greatest job in the world, as most say. I just want to know what all I may be getting into. I understand the Rock will be extremely hard and will take alot of dedication. I just like making informed deciesions.

Thanks to all.
Hey man,

That's a pretty broad question to ask. Every house is different in terms of work. However from what I've seen (which isn't much), most firehouses are alike. Different characters. What I experienced when I first got to the firehouse was very difficult. The hardest part for me was getting accepted. You spend years waiting for the job and sort of put it up on a pedestal and then when you finally get there you realize that just like any other job there are people you like and people who are just a**holes. I was surprised to learn that guys in my proby class weren't really getting their balls broken and were being treated like they were, "one of the guys" right away. I was treated like a piece of s*it my first year. I went to a tough house that goes to work. It gets better as time goes on, however I felt like I really had to earn my place and in the long run it made it that much sweeter for me and I love it now, but honestly aside from the fire duty, which I loved, getting adjusted to life in the firehouse was very difficult for me. I can only speak for myself.

[Kanoobs]

Hey all:

The rumors are flying around on other boards that the class will be in August. However, the FDNY website says November. Does anyone have any idea?

[ljones]

Hey all:

The rumors are flying around on other boards that the class will be in August. However, the FDNY website says November. Does anyone have any idea?

Don't know for definite, but every piece of info I heard says next class will be in the FALL around October.

[abcdefg]

For those on the Rock now, please let us know how much you bring every 2 weeks. What is the current pay?

[ljones]

I see they did reach 4010 on the list. Does anyone remember what it was BEFORE the March 26th class. How far the list was and how many FF's were appointed from the list. I am just curious to see what the ratio was for the March Class that went in.
Thanks,

[nyorker85]

2095 was where the previous (Nov06) class finished.

[Kanoobs]

No, the last appointed in November was 3095.

They went through 915 names for 300. I don't know if the ratio will stay this high, but I would bet on it if I had too.

[abcdefg]

Does anyone know how long it takes (by car) to get from Riverdale to The Rock? Thinking about getting a place there if I make the next class. 41XX

[nyorker85]

Depending where you are, about 30-40 minutes in light traffic. Give some thought to where you might get assigned. Riverdale is in the NW extreme of the city. If you get Queens or parts of Bklyn you will have long ride to work.

[Kanoobs]

Depending where you are, about 30-40 minutes in light traffic. Give some thought to where you might get assigned. Riverdale is in the NW extreme of the city. If you get Queens or parts of Bklyn you will have long ride to work.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that where you are assigned is based loosley on where you live. They're not going to put someone in Staten Island or Graves End if they live in the Bronx.

[FFFRED]

A couple of questions for guys already on the job.
I am 41XX and will am complete with the process. I am just waiting now. Can anyone give info on what it is like in the firehouse? Is it as great as most guys say it is? How does the pension work? Is it 50% after 20 years and does it go up after that? Does anyone take the subway to work? How much vacation do you get (I know that is the least of my problems, just wondering)? Do they offer alternative savings such as 401k or 457?

There is a reason we have 4th and 5th Generation firemen on this job...there is a reason (until recently) our exam was considered the most competitive and difficult to pass of ALL the city exams. You either want this job or you don't. Believe me...we will all know if you really want to be here and if you really want to be a fireman. The firehouse as 78 mentioned is different from place to place...but for the most part most good shops require their members to earn their place...if you have a bad attitude..then you will suffer for the next 20 years...or bounce from place to place until finally getting sent to one of our few dumping grounds for bags of sh*t. Obviously you make your own bed and determine what your career will be like. Pull your own weight, do the right thing and give back to the job and the house and you will enjoy your years on the job.

As for the benefits...If you are lucky enough to make it to 20, you have earned a service retirement that is based on roughly 50% the last years earnings...every year after 20 you earn I think it is an additonal 1/60th share and must retire by age 65. Should you unfortunately suffer a career ending LOD injury you can apply for a 3/4 tax free pension at any point in your career. We have other benefits which I won't expand on such as VSF, ITHP, 50-50, anuity and we have a 457 program as well...however considering current pay scales...you won't have much money to donate until you are 1st Grade. (takes about 5 years to reach top pay)

Promotions are based strictly on civil service exams...basicly you study hard enough and you can promote as high as Deputy Chief without kissing anyones a$$.(used to be Chief of Dept but the officers union sold that off for good.:mad: )

Any insight to the actual job and details would be helpfull not only to me, but to others as well. It may sound like I am looking for perks, but that is not so. I believe it would be the greatest job in the world, as most say. I just want to know what all I may be getting into. I understand the Rock will be extremely hard and will take alot of dedication. I just like making informed deciesions.
Thanks to all.[/QUOTE]

The job is like any other...this is a union job and we have many different types of companies, details and postions that one can at some point transfer to if they are interested in. We have Engines and Ladders that cover every concivable type of environment...High-rise dense and flashy Manhattan, quite clean neighborhoods in Queens, filthy crime ridden ghettos, areas of nothing but tenements and others with nothing but private dwellings. Haz-Mat, Squad, Rescue...Even Marine companies with promotional opportunities in the Marine Division and Fire Marshals as well. Basicly you have the opportunity to work in an area that you enjoy and find rewarding...it is all in how you choose to apply yourself.

Best of luck.

FTM-PTB

[FFFRED]

Does anyone know how long it takes (by car) to get from Riverdale to The Rock? Thinking about getting a place there if I make the next class. 41XX

Riverdale is a nice area(or at least on the otherside of Broadway anyway)...and at the hour you would be heading to the Rock (very early BTW) you shouldn't have much trouble. I don't live in the Bronx...but I know many guys who work in Manhattan who comute from that neighborhood and it is a short drive...all you have to worry about is getting crosstown to the Triboro either through the BX or through Manhattan.

After assigning you into a Squad in the accademy they divide everyone up in areas that they generally live in so you can arange a car pool...believe me, it helps out alot. There usually is a fairly even distribution of guys from the Island, Brooklyn and Queens, then the Bronx and Upstate guys, with an occasional guy who lives in Manhattan (rarer nowadays).

It all works out in the end.

FTM-PTB

[FFFRED]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that where you are assigned is based loosley on where you live. They're not going to put someone in Staten Island or Graves End if they live in the Bronx.

Yes, they more or less assign members to areas that aren't far from their address. If you live in Suffolk they aren't going to assign you to Engine 151 in Tottenville SI. And if you live in SI...that is where you will probably be assigned or perhaps in the old 12 Division area in Southwestern Brooklyn.

Upstate and the Bronx, get assigned to the BX or Manhattan. LI goes to Brooklyn, Queens and sometimes Manhattan. Any guys who live in the 4 boros (other than SI) can find themselves assigned anywhere especially Manhattan because so few memebers live there.(much like me)

But NOTHING is gauranteed, but generally you won't have a bad commute and as long as you are out of the Rock and in a firehouse...odds you won't care how long that commute is as long as it is to a firehouse.

FTM-PTB

PS- Gravesend is one word not two. :D

[Kanoobs]

Thanks Fred, great info

[hootie250]

I am at the beginning stages of being investigated, go next Thursday to bring all the paperwork. The forms for our previous employers and schools....do we just fill out the top and bring it in or are we supposed to give it to the employer to complete and they mail it in?
Thanks

[ljones]

Latest info I got is from a reliable source that next class will be in October and be 250 candidates. The only thing we cannot predict would be the ratio. But at least 2:1 would be my guess.

[luv2buff]

Talked to my investigator today and he says august 6th for the next class.Good luck.

[abcdefg]

Talked to my investigator today and he says august 6th for the next class.Good luck.

What number are you?

[ljones]

Talked to my investigator today and he says august 6th for the next class.Good luck.

I spoke to my investigator and said that it would be the fall with no exact date yet, but late September leaning towards October (250 candidates class size) and the website says November. Your investigator told you August? I would imagine that if they didn't have a date sent they wouldn't post it on the website. They must all be confused :) Guess it's better to wait for the real letters to be sent , and everything else is rumor for now. Again that is the process for ya, alot of rumor. Anybody hear anything different or the same or what we heard? Date,? class size?

[luv2buff]

I spoke to my investigator and said that it would be the fall with no exact date yet, but late September leaning towards October (250 candidates class size) and the website says November. Your investigator told you August? I would imagine that if they didn't have a date sent they wouldn't post it on the website. They must all be confused :) Guess it's better to wait for the real letters to be sent , and everything else is rumor for now. Again that is the process for ya, alot of rumor. Anybody hear anything different or the same or what we heard? Date,? class size?

When I talked to my investigator he said august. There was a pause while he looked at the date. Thats when he told me aug. 6 According to