1199A/ 10Q's / DJ's after Jan.1

[Fighting41NY]

If anyone hears of any AFG updates after Jan. 1, please post.

This site is pretty boring this week, my daily and sometimes hourly checks are not finding enough new posts to keep it interesting, no updates, no celebration, no whining, no fighting? What happened to the club?

[bschief100]

Hang in there Fighting41NY!!! Not sure on the club, many may be working on fire prevention/safety grants.Thats keeping me busy!!Take Care!!

[BC79er]

That's where I'm at, although with 1 client submitting app 349 on Tuesday it doesn't seem like many folks are pushing the button. I got 5 more to go, and still counting.

[Dobieg]

We received our 10Q's + questions regarding Station Modification yesterday afternoon. Earlier in the day, our profile was requested to be updated. Now we have had our profile updated since the spring as we were closing out a previous grant...so we thought something might be up. 1199 update a few weeks ago.

[befferk]

That's where I'm at, although with 1 client submitting app 349 on Tuesday it doesn't seem like many folks are pushing the button. I got 5 more to go, and still counting.

Speaking of grant numbers, Brian, you seem to be the statistics guru around here. What are the previous year's numbers on the FPS grant (i.e. number applied vs. # funded, etc)?

Just curious,
Beth

[BC79er]

Last year there were 311 awards. They didn't print a hard number listing of total apps, just a chart. Best estimate I can guage from that is 5,000 apps. So a little skinnier chance at funding, but there's a whole lot less money available. Plus a lot of it gets eaten up by the national orgs for research projects, which in the long run are definitely worthwhile so not knocking them for it. Kinda hard to compete with projects that benefit the entire fire service in one shot by finding better PPE for us. :)

[befferk]

Last year there were 311 awards. They didn't print a hard number listing of total apps, just a chart. Best estimate I can guage from that is 5,000 apps. So a little skinnier chance at funding, but there's a whole lot less money available. Plus a lot of it gets eaten up by the national orgs for research projects, which in the long run are definitely worthwhile so not knocking them for it. Kinda hard to compete with projects that benefit the entire fire service in one shot by finding better PPE for us. :)

I sincerely apologize to the OP for hijacking this thread, but do you think there will be less apps this year because of the new matching amounts? I know I had a hard time talking our chief into still letting me apply (since before it was "free" :rolleyes: money (yeah, I know), and now we have to come up with some of our own funds).

Beth

[BC79er]

I would hope not. But when money is tight the first thing out the door is FP activities in most places, so could be the case. Of course that's why you find non-profit hosts such as firefighter associations and the like. Only FDs owe matching funds. ;)

Depending on the project of course. It still has to make sense for the host to be a host, not just a proxy.

[FFCOPEMT]

Steering the thread back to it's original course...lol...I'm betting (or at least hoping) next week there will be a bunch of 10Q's and 1199A's going out. What do YOU think?

[BC79er]

Might be something going on. The application web site is down. Either someone tripped on a network cable, or maybe they're making updates. Hopefully at least updates for the award announcement today, even better would be some new 1199As.

[Warren Vaughn]

Hey Folks,
How long does it usually take from the time you submit your 10? and updated financial stuff until you hear back on the official you got money caal and post?

[Warren Vaughn]

Hey Folks,
How long does it usually take from the time you submit your 10? and updated financial stuff until you hear back on the official you got money caal and post?

[Catch22]

Might be something going on. The application web site is down. Either someone tripped on a network cable, or maybe they're making updates. Hopefully at least updates for the award announcement today, even better would be some new 1199As.

Hopefully they're making updates. I hope even more I'm getting one :p

[FFCOPEMT]

I read on one of the posts that a lot of the fire grant support personnel were moving offices the last couple of weeks. So you suppose they are moving servers now too? I would have thought they would have notified us of an outage, but you would also think they would tell us if we didn't get an award !!! lol

[Warren Vaughn]

In regards to new 199's I know that in December a lot of the Departments around here got their Sorry try again letters. I was under the impression that Congress had them under the gun to get things done by the end of the year. GUess I was wrong on that too.

[onebugle]

There is no set time between the 10 q's and an award announcment. At the minimum 1 week to who knows when. A local department is still waiting to hear, it's now 4 weeks. It's just a wait and see game.

[wfdmilo]

I rec'd my 1199 and 10 q's before Thanksgiving and no award yet, so to those just getting them, you'll need a lot of ice if you're trying to keep the bubbly cold. Waiting seems to be the name of the game!

[BC79er]

The site is back up, not sure what time it came back I was out and about. They did move offices, but not sure about the servers. Usually they're all in one spot with the rest of the department's stuff, but who knows. It works, all is good. Good would be better if they announced some awards or sent more 1199As. Haven't seen either yet today. Oh well, twas a short week.

[rescuetech275]

Received 1199 today 1-8-07. I haven't seen the 10q's yet so I am keeping my fingers crossed.

[wilson10]

Congrats, when you say you received your 1199 today, does that mean you checked an old app. and saw the 2006 number? Just curious as still no update on our old award and DJ. Is it safe to say that if the old award has no new number that we probably are not getting an award?

[BC79er]

New 1199A posted for a 1st time applicant, so these are new notifications going out on 1/8/2007. Time to login about 60 more times. :D

Wilson, they still may be going in small waves so no news is still good news. Not great news, but not bad news either.

[wilson10]

Thanks, I am not our grant person, but I am the only one in here reading and checking on the forums. So when I see a post like yours I will tell the guy with access to check and he might go do and he might not LOL. I guess its a good thing I can't check, I would be a member of the anonymous group LOL

[celsokid]

We got our 10 Q's in the beginning of October and still no award. I called the helpdesk and all they said was to keep waiting, money is being released slowly this year and it's only a matter of time. We'll see.

[jmkfire]

Still nothing here as of 1-9. No 1199A update, but haven't seen a DJ yet either. Just hope there are enough funds left to make it to our app for a pumper!

[wilson10]

like wise, I just hope there are some funds for some much needed SCBAs! I would like to see us be able to get rid of all of our Scott 2A's :(

I think we were close last year.

[FFCOPEMT]

2006 number on our 1199A today...good sign. Almost 100,000 for all new SCBA.......

[Catch22]

Nothing here, either. I'm starting to get a bit antsy with the '07 grant period coming up. I really need to figure out what we're going to do for this coming year's program, but I really need the gear we asked for this year. Is it safe to assume they'll hold off the applications for '07 until all of this years are rewarded (except the excess funds they award months from now)?

[BC79er]

Nice Joe, Congrats. :D

Did that show up yesterday or today?

[BC79er]

No, they'll continue on with the 2007 apps as normal. By the time they open everyone will have 1199A or denial, but probably not announced. So you'll be able to go through with a 2007 project knowing the 2006 fate, albeit mighty late in the game.

[FFCOPEMT]

I've checked several times already today, so this one showed up within the last hour.

[HallSummitLA]

The 2006 app number just appeared on our old 1199A form!! Can't say if it was today or yesterday because it's been a few days since I last checked.

One question though: Where do they send the 10Q's? To the contact person's personal email or to the user email account on the AFG website?

[BC79er]

Profile Contact's email. Congrats. :D

And thanks for the clarification Joe.

[famfox1800]

Found new 1199A today.......No 10 questions yet............but I believe it's a good sign!!!!!!!!

[gefd901]

We had a reference number for our 2006 application yesterday (01-08-07). Things are looking up!:)

[LFD2203]

Got a 2006 grant number added to our 2003 1199A. Found it Friday Jan. 5, 2007. No questions yet. We put in for around $80K for a Grace Industries
T PASS 3 system.

[Greenacres2]

Congrats to the three of you!!

LFD--we put the T Pass 3 in a year ago. It sure feels good to know that while we're inside, somebody's got a button to push that will cover our back!!

earl (plus Don Eierman from Grace makes me look like i have hair!!) :cool:

[SLY4420]

No, they'll continue on with the 2007 apps as normal. By the time they open everyone will have 1199A or denial, but probably not announced. So you'll be able to go through with a 2007 project knowing the 2006 fate, albeit mighty late in the game.

A great point and something to ponder. If you are trying for apparatus this year and DON'T get denied before the 2007 period opens, you may want to consider trying something else. Remember, if you get awarded for a project in 2006 after you submit for the same project in 2007, you'll be pretty well tossed out and lose an extra year of applying.

[svfd16]

Great to hear the guys that are getting this round of 1199A's. Being in the
O-fer club sucks, but this is the farthest we've gone with out a DJ. Being the grant "checker" as opposed the the grant contact person in our Fire Dept, I'd appreciate if the next round of DJ recipients will let us know when they come so I can shake our chief's tree and have him check his email. I know he isn't checking his email as often as I check for the 1199A drop down.

[imafireman]

Great to hear the guys that are getting this round of 1199A's. Being in the
O-fer club sucks, but this is the farthest we've gone with out a DJ. Being the grant "checker" as opposed the the grant contact person in our Fire Dept, I'd appreciate if the next round of DJ recipients will let us know when they come so I can shake our chief's tree and have him check his email. I know he isn't checking his email as often as I check for the 1199A drop down.

If you are checking your app for the 1199, you will also be able to tell if the dj comes. It will be in your messages folder. Trust me, I know!!!!!:mad:

[jwfisher]

Received 1199A 12/8/06 and 10 Questions 1/9/07, although should have been sooner but they had trouble getting in contact with me because of the server for my email crashing.

Fish

[Willie]

Got a request to update and confirm our 1199 A this morning.(1/10/07) We got a grant in 2003, and the update form is attached to the 2003 file, but annotated to reference a "Reference Award Number" for 2006! Have not seen the "ten questions" yet...

[svfd16]

Just got the 1199a today. This might be our first ever grant, 20 sets of turnouts and a Grace system to compliment the others around us. Keeping our fingers crossed.

[BC79er]

Good deal SVFD. Glad to see they updated every day so far this week. And thanks for sharing, I've been trying to avoid checking all the logins unless I hear someone else finding them. Still have FP apps to finish. :)

[bunkerbo]

Received the 1199 update this morning for a 200K+ regional communications grant. Time to back away from the computer and do the happy dance!:D
No more hourly checking...till next year.

[BC79er]

Congrats Bunker. Soon y'all will be able to do the happy dance all on the same frequency. :D

Wow, I'm impressed with 1199A updates every day this week. Them folks in DC are working OT.

[Warren Vaughn]

They are getting the notifications out but what about awards? Nothing last week and so far today no notices of new awards.

[BC79er]

The list was posted around 11am EST.

[Warren Vaughn]

Grass Hopper must learn patience.

[chief1120]

I'm starting to wonder if I missed the DJ!!!! I did check the mail center on the app. page, and only see the acceptance of the grant application. So I guess I'm still in the running??? Does anyone have any numbers on how many awards have been given out already and how many to go.

[wfdmilo]

Patience is getting thin for all of the above. I got my 1199 and 10 q's 7 weeks ago, and my reduction letter 3 weeks ago. Here I sit wondering if we'll get awarded before our annual budget meeting.?.?

[Greenacres2]

I'm starting to wonder if I missed the DJ!!!! I did check the mail center on the app. page, and only see the acceptance of the grant application. So I guess I'm still in the running??? Does anyone have any numbers on how many awards have been given out already and how many to go.

I show 2,591 awards for $265,721,913.

The breakdown...
Operations/safety 1,999 awards for $157,060,046
Vehicles 592 for $108,661,867

Headding back to my office now.

earl (ameteur geek) :p

[Warren Vaughn]

I show 2,591 awards for $265,721,913.

The breakdown...
Operations/safety 1,999 awards for $157,060,046
Vehicles 592 for $108,661,867

Headding back to my office now.

earl (ameteur geek) :p

There was what 270 approved for '06? Money is going to get thin pretty soon if your numbers are right.

[timmct]

Man, don't scare me like that.

This is what their press release said in October:
The U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) announced today $91.8 million in direct assistance grants to 860 fire departments and first responder organizations through the department’s Fiscal Year (FY) 2006 Assistance to Firefighters Grant (AFG) program. Additional phases will soon be announced that will total $485 million in FY06 AFG awards to nearly 5,000 fire-related organizations nationwide.
Since 2001, the AFG has provided $2.4 billion in grants to fire departments and first responder organizations for response equipment, personal protective equipment, vehicles, and fire prevention activities. DHS received more than 18,000 applications for nearly $2.5 billion in grant requests in FY06.

[waterboy1]

Received our 1199 between 15:00 and 18:00 today:D :D :D

[Greenacres2]

With approx $121mm for vehicles (25%), and an average vehicle award of $183,861 so far, that's about 70 +/- vehicles to go so that's getting a little close to the end.

As for Ops, average award so far is $78,569, at that pace there's still about 2,500 applications yet to be awarded.

Both assume that the averages hold up pretty close.

Hang on to the hope!!

earl (Friday night, no kids home, FPS submitted, talk to you all tomorrow!!) :D

[fyremanbob]

:D

Well not really, got home from work and found the 1199 updated and the questions in the email. 500K for county wide communication upgrade.

I hope I am not dreaming.

Thanks again to all who may have helped me along the way, you know who you are.

bob

[BC79er]

Bob's in the money, Bob's in the money. :D

And with all new communications no one will be speechless for long.

[pcfdcap1]

We got our 1199 and 10 questions yesterday.
New hood to toe gear (we just bought new helmets from donation money) and washer/extractor to keep it clean. $82k. Now it's time to sit back 6 weeks for the actual award.

[ccmongo]

One week before I leave for my new department, I get the 10q's and update for 1199. A little regional communications going away gift for my boys!

Thanks Brian for the help in your grant seminar, it looks like it just may pay off in spades.
Mongo

[BC79er]

Mongo like grant funding. :D

Congrats my friend, and good luck back in UT.

[WVREIS]

Recieved our 1199-a via our 2004 grant and our 10 questions via email today. If all continues on track looks like new airpacks!! :)

And of course none of this could have been accomplished without the "Great Brian" and all the information posted on this site by the guru's.....


Stay Safe

William Reis
Schaeferville Fire Protection District
Pekin, IL

[CMullen8]

Received 10q's and 1199a update this morning for operations and safety. 54982 federal share for head to toe bunker gear and a washer/extractor.

[RHopkins51]

Saw a 2006 number last night on our 1199a. 100k or so for new air-packs. First time guiding a grant through the process. Guess I need to come up with a new project for next year.....

[ktb9780]

Received the 1199 update this morning for a 200K+ regional communications grant. Time to back away from the computer and do the happy dance!:D
No more hourly checking...till next year.

Great news Saluda!:)

[bunkerbo]

Thanks Kurt!
I'll continue to put out the corn and feed the bucks until you can make it back up here...;)

[BC79er]

New 1199As today.

[CTJAKE]

We got our update on an old 1199A this morning (1/15). Waiting on the questions.

[640SATFD]

Hello All,

Great news to all that are receiving there grant notifications. Any MORE words of wisdom for those that have not recieved notification yet (like me). My Dept. got a grant back in 2003 but nothing since and no word on this years effort.

Boy the longer I wait that harder it gets. Any indication when they might end my pain this year?

Thanks

[640SATFD]

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[Fortsutphen]

New 1199As today.

Okay, a little concerned here. We have yet to receive anything, no 1199A, 10 q, or DJ. Where do you think we stand ?

Applied for SCBA, PPE, TIC, RIT Kit

Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

[BC79er]

Well, if this week is like last week then we'll see a trickle all week with a few here and there. But the next round of denials isn't far off. I'd say by the end of next week all fates will be known. Which is why I'm working on all of the 2007 apps that I can right now.

[Bones42]

May not be an 0'fer anymore. For the first time, a 1199a link appeared this morning.

I've heard that is a good sign.

[BC79er]

Holy schnike, Hell is freezing over! Bones has an 1199A!

Well maybe not Hell but Houston is supposed to be under the 32 degree mark for over 36 hours starting tonight. To the casual observer, one might think Armageddon is coming.

[Bones42]

BC79er, and it was about 50 degrees here today.

I'd be nervous. ;)

[Catch22]

FINALLY!!! Got my 1199a update today. At least, today's the first time I've got to check. We finally got the internet back up, even though we haven't had electricity since 2100 Friday (thank you generators).

Looks like new gear, airpacks, and RIT packs!

[BC79er]

Congrats Mike, another happy dance. :D

[Catch22]

Congrats Mike, another happy dance. :D

Appreciate it. I feel like I need to do some dancing just to warm up a bit :P This whole ice storm thing is wearing a bit thin. But the guys are a little happier knowing we've got some new gear and all coming our way (well, most likely at least) in the near future.

[Bones42]

just to warm up a bit Yeah, how's that "Global Warming" trend going down there? :rolleyes:

[BC79er]

This hasn't happened in Houston in around 10 years. We've hovered around 32 in the 6+ years we've been here but we actually have icicles hanging from the roof.

Outside the house, people done lost their freaking minds. Not as bad as when the hurricanes were coming through, but stir crazy seems to be the norm. All of the overpasses are closed off, schools closed. Blizzard of 93 with 32" of snow on the ground I was fighting the 30mph wind to get to class in wonderful Troy NY.

Last night I took the trash out in shorts and a t-shirt. Neighbors are wearing 4 layers to make the 30' trek. Funny to watch. :)

[640SATFD]

BC79er,

How many 1199a would you guess are left to be released (lots or just a handful)?

Do they still send an e-mail notification?

According to your estimates that there is just about a 10 days left to hear something GOOD; I would have to admitt a bit of panic at this point. To come so far and receive a DJ would be a killer.

Thanks for the info

[Bones42]

BC, friends of mine left 65 degrees in NJ to move to San Antonio this past week. They never planned on going from Warm to Freezing while heading southwest.

[BC79er]

Yeah, I'm sure they started wondering if they were heading in the wrong direction. Snow in LA County, .5" of ice in Dallas. Maybe one day people will understand the meaning of "frictionless surfaces".

[Catch22]

Yeah, how's that "Global Warming" trend going down there? :rolleyes:

I actually shot my mouth off about that at an emergency management meeting yesterday. Apparently there was only a handfull of us who thought it was funny. It did warm up from a low of 10 degrees yesterday to a low of 17 today, highs of 27 yesterday and 31 today. Now I'm hearing word of 6-8" of snow on top of the 2" of ice this weekend :confused: I'm going to have to check the weather and see if that's exagerated or not.

Now if I only had that new gear here to keep the guys warm while we ride around with the National Guard in the hummers through the countryside. I will give this one thing, it's a lesson on the incident command system. I thought I got a lesson during the 2003 tornado incidents we had, but this is a bit more widespread.

By the way, congrats to you other guys that got the update!!

[FFF1607]

I'm new here, but had to throw in my experience as well. I've received the 1199A form, and the questions, which were also addressed to the wrong person. But what is this "DJ" that you all are talking about? Just curious. Good luck to everyone applying. Keeping fingers crossed here.

[imafireman]

"DJ" Stands for Dear John. It is the dreaded letter many of us received this year informing us that we will not be funded. If you received the 1199 and the 10 questions, it is an exellent chance you will not be receiving a "DJ". Congrats!!

[onebugle]

The DJ or "Dear John" letter is recieved by the precious few that will not be funded under the program. It's a thanks for applying, better luck next year. The DJ's come in 3 forms.

1) The first to go out are the applications that did not get past the "computer scoring", therefore no one reads the narratives.

2) The second version are the applications that got to "peer review", scored well, but lacked compelling arguments in 1 or more areas (4 areas) of the narrative. Read this carefully, it will tell you where you went wrong.

3) The third version are the ones that scored extremely well, but funding ran out. These are the ones that could be funded at a later date if and when supplemental awards are given from returned unused funds or refusals to accept the grant.

[BC79er]

And in the case of #3, usually these end up being resubmits for the following year and awarded. They still should be reviewed, tweaked, and updated with the proper numbers but to get to that stage the right department asked for the right project for the right reasons. But as Bugle said, they just fell short on money. On ballpark guesstimates running off of excess fund award #'s I'm guessing that another $25-40 million or so in the program would have funded these apps.

[jslovak]

Brian, I have a couple of questions for you and wondering if you could help me out. Could you email me at: jslovak@ennispublicsafety.net

Thanks

[Limeforever]

Just filling out Brains ifo sheet gives you a great advantage on all of the grants you write. It takes away a whole lot of the running and looking here and there. He covers just about all of the basic questions and streamlines the process.

[BC79er]

10-4K on the email. On it's way.

And that's why I made the Profile Lime, it covers 90% of the questions I ask without having to spend 3-4 hours asking them. Us nerds are all about process engineering. :)

[Warren Vaughn]

I am beginning to wonder if I am not going to get the DJ v3 at this point. Igot my 10qs and 1199 stuff before Thanksgiving and still have not heard back.

[Warren Vaughn]

Should've thought of this before I posted the last time. What is the current totals now on awards and cash committed?:confused:

[Greenacres2]

With approx $121mm for vehicles (25%), and an average vehicle award of $183,861 so far, that's about 70 +/- vehicles to go so that's getting a little close to the end.

As for Ops, average award so far is $78,569, at that pace there's still about 2,500 applications yet to be awarded.

Both assume that the averages hold up pretty close.

Hang on to the hope!!

earl (Friday night, no kids home, FPS submitted, talk to you all tomorrow!!) :D

Still the same for the next 18 hours!! (and they may not change much then--only one will be awarded on Indiana on 19-Jan, so i'm guessing only 125 or so total tomorrow) Seems like a did the $$ figures a few posts before this one last week. It's in this same thread.
earl (i wish BC would go back to updating the stats, life was simpler for me then)

[medicskippy]

We rec'd our ten questions on the 12th with our name messed up like the rest of them. Does any one know the time frame for next step to make it all official.(I's been a couple of years since awarded)

[BC79er]

You're right Earl it's easier when that lazy, good for nothing BC...wait a minute, I resemble that remark. :D

1999 Ops - $157,060,046
592 Vehicles - $108,661,867

So just past the halfway mark in announcements. With the push last week and the seemingly low award #'s for tomorrow I'd guess we have maybe 1000-1500 with 1199As, leaving anywhere from 500-1000 left to be notified. I've got 30 still in limbo with no word myself. I think we'll see the last big push of 1199As and denials within the next week. Then it's on to the 2007 push. Only 6 weeks until it opens, 11 until it closes. Git-r-done!

Back to the app grind....

[Stuart]

We just got our 10 questions yesterday.

So now I'm checking my email every 30 minutes!

[wfdmilo]

I am beginning to wonder if I am not going to get the DJ v3 at this point. Igot my 10qs and 1199 stuff before Thanksgiving and still have not heard back.

I'm in the same boat. Let's hope for the next couple of rounds. I got a reduction request too. How about you?

[ameryfd]

I'll chime in...got a 10q for one and a 1199 for another on Monday.

[Warren Vaughn]

wfd I have been lucky there. I only asked for 50k to start with hoping to avoid the reduction. I am doing my projects one at a time.

[Warren Vaughn]

Hey BC79er,
When you are awarded does anything post to the grant website where the 1199 post too?

[ameryfd]

Hey BC79er,
When you are awarded does anything post to the grant website where the 1199 post too?

The drop down menu will change and a "manage grant" option will appear... you'll also have an email in your inbox and DHS will call you prior to the award normally as well.

[BC79er]

Looks like they made some updates every day, found 1 more this afternoon.

[FFF1607]

Well another week has passed, and no notifications, or "dj's" either. Guess thats still a good thing. Good luck everyone.

[chief1120]

Is all the updated 1199A done???? they seem to be on hold, since it's been pretty calm on here lately. Still waiting on some kind of a response!!! Hopefully the one I want here.:D My app. must have been fairly decent to make it this long in process, but must needs some fine tuning to move it up in the notices. Hope to make to either Brian's or Kurt's programs to make it better.

[BC79er]

Anyone that's still in limbo is most likely a re-submit with updated pricing. I say most likely because if I haven't seen it I can't say for sure, but definitely the 30 I have in limbo will be put it as is. Basically all of the limbo apps will be in the "we just ran out of money" category. So the risk in a resubmit is having money come available and getting excess fund awards after asking for the same thing on 2007, which makes the 2007 a wasted app. But if you check with an 0-fer I think that would be a great problem to have. :)

[chief1120]

i understand what your saying, but this is the third year I tried for the same thing with changes that I thought made it better than the year before. Now I don't know if I should scrap the this request and try for something else:confused:

[Greenacres2]

Chief--What's the project and where in the process were you DJ'ed the past two years?? Are you getting closer?? Is there a lower priority item mixed in that doesn't fit and drags the overall score down???

I'm feeling a group "therapy" session coming on!! :D :D :D

earl

[Fortsutphen]

i understand what your saying, but this is the third year I tried for the same thing with changes that I thought made it better than the year before. Now I don't know if I should scrap the this request and try for something else:confused:

Believe me, I'm feeling your pain. We also have heard nothing and dreading the upcoming news. Your application was good, BUT we have no more money. On the postive side, I just returned from attending a grant seminar and anybody who does not attend one is a complete fool. I wish I would have attended before writting the grant. But live and learn. Kurt did the seminar I attended and it was awsome. I learned so much it was incrediable. I have never attended Brian's or the others but I've heard nothing but good about their programs as well. Like everyone else I've started working on 2007. I'll be much more prepared this time. Good luck though, maybee we'll get lucky (yea right)

[chief1120]

Chief--What's the project and where in the process were you DJ'ed the past two years?? Are you getting closer?? Is there a lower priority item mixed in that doesn't fit and drags the overall score down???

I'm feeling a group "therapy" session coming on!! :D :D :D

earl

Earl,
I applied for a fixed air compressor for the station and a truck mounted four bottle cascade unit with a SCBA bottle containment fill station to fill bottles on the fire ground. Maybe the list was to long, but I was just trying to have full bottles on the fire gound.

[Fire930]

So have we seen an end to 1199 updates or the posting of RAN on current 1199's? If so I guess the DJ is on it's way.

[BC79er]

Not done yet, but not sure when the next pre-award notifications will be.

[Catch22]

Is anyone else waiting on 10q's or an award announcement on bunker gear starting to get a bit worried about having to worry about price increases? I'm waiting to hear more than an 1199a update on gear and SCBA and just read that come March 1, no more 2000 edition on gear.

With that, anyone have any idea how much it'll kick up the price? I'm starting to wonder how much the price will kick up and if I asked for enough for sure.

[BC79er]

About $100 is what I've seen so far.

And you're correct on more than one front. This year's AFG means that you can only apply for 2007 compliant SCBA and PPE. Even if someone has it left over, you can't but non-compliant equipment with grant monies.

2006 awards can pick up anything prior to that, or 2007 if they asked for enough money. You are only held to the NFPA standard at the time of application.

And keep an eye on your mail/email Mike. Coming to Springfield MO on Feb 16.

[k3twpfire]

We received a grant this year for PPE. The cost difference between 2000 edition and 2007 edition PPE was $55. This was for Morning Pride gear.

[mmcneill]

And keep an eye on your mail/email Mike. Coming to Springfield MO on Feb 16.

Brian,

Any details yet on where you will be in Springfield?

[BC79er]

Not yet, I should know the exacts soon though. I heard something about north side not far from the airport, but nothing confirmed yet. Keep your eyes peeled on my web site, I'll post location & registration info as soon as I know.

[Warren Vaughn]

Brian,

Any details yet on where you will be in Springfield?

You don't want to go there. They do not have any power. Mike is messing with you.:p

[BC79er]

Well I hope they get it back before February 16th. :) Although it would certainly boost the true need for backup generators at the stations... :D

[Catch22]

About $100 is what I've seen so far.

And you're correct on more than one front. This year's AFG means that you can only apply for 2007 compliant SCBA and PPE. Even if someone has it left over, you can't but non-compliant equipment with grant monies.

2006 awards can pick up anything prior to that, or 2007 if they asked for enough money. You are only held to the NFPA standard at the time of application.

And keep an eye on your mail/email Mike. Coming to Springfield MO on Feb 16.

OK, that's good to hear. From what I quoted I still had a few hundred to play with on the gear, and likely the SCBA and RIT packs.

I'll definitely keep my eyes and ears open. Kyle's been keeping in close touch since I got the 1199a (I know it's hard to imagine from a salesman), so I'm sure he'll make sure and give me a heads up, too.

You don't want to go there. They do not have any power. Mike is messing with you.
Actually, most of Springfield has had power for a while now. It's us poor bastards outside of the mass population that have to try to read the computer in the dark! :D

We finally got power at the house last Wednesday. It took until this last Monday to get the rest of town up. I've got an uncle just 1/2 mile north of me, just outside of town, that says they're looking at another few weeks (electric co. won't even try to estimate). There's half a dozen or so poles down between him and my grandma (next house east, about 1/4 mile) who has power. It's definitely hit and miss in the rural areas, some are saying mid-to-late February before power's up.

Word on the street has it that the almanac says we've got a worse ice storm coming in February and a "blizzard" in March. I'm thinking about taking a vacation to the south until July. :cool:

[whitesox4life]

We recieved a questionare this week asking if we would accept the money if granted to us and confirming account info. keeping my fingers crossed. we asked for helmets, scbas w/ masks, rit pack and compressor.

[BC79er]

Good deal Sox. Glad to see they have been making updates this week. Luckily I'm down to 20 logins to check for people. Only 52 denials out of 257 apps with 30 in limbo. I'd say that's a good year but 52 denials is never good no matter what.

And ward off that other ice storm Mike. Sacrifice the same small animals you used to get the grant. :D (Hope there's no PETA people around here, it's a joke they don't get.)

[onebugle]

Basically an 80% success rate, not too shabby :) (always room for improvement:D ). I do agree, a DJ :mad: is never good no matter what.

[BC79er]

Was about 50% on vehicles this year. Most of them were Comp DJs on trucks, which wasn't a big surprise. All of the ones I put in were toss-ups. Everyone that got it did have the need, so minor differences in the app stats played a part. If we beat the computer on a truck, it was awarded, so they'll all be resubmits next year. Only 1 truck app in limbo still. Luckily no hair left to pull out.

[onebugle]

Just read a news article this week on a MA department (1st timer) that finally recieved a $261,250 grant (federal portion) for a pumper/tanker ($275,000) after 4 years of trying. Replaced a '72 tanker. Even with that replacement the remainder of the fleet is still aged. 2 pumpers (30 years) with 750 gallons each. I guess they were skeptical about the award. They wanted to verify that it was for real.

[mmcneill]

Actually, most of Springfield has had power for a while now. It's us poor bastards outside of the mass population that have to try to read the computer in the dark! :D

We finally got power at the house last Wednesday. It took until this last Monday to get the rest of town up. I've got an uncle just 1/2 mile north of me, just outside of town, that says they're looking at another few weeks (electric co. won't even try to estimate). There's half a dozen or so poles down between him and my grandma (next house east, about 1/4 mile) who has power. It's definitely hit and miss in the rural areas, some are saying mid-to-late February before power's up.

Word on the street has it that the almanac says we've got a worse ice storm coming in February and a "blizzard" in March. I'm thinking about taking a vacation to the south until July. :cool:

Catch22...I am here at Lake of the Ozarks and from what I have seen on the news you got the worst of this storm. At least when we had the 2 " of ice and 14" of snow in December it melted pretty quick. Even with that we had over 100 million in damage to docks and boats here on the lake.

[Warren Vaughn]

Is anyone else waiting on 10q's or an award announcement on bunker gear starting to get a bit worried about having to worry about price increases? I'm waiting to hear more than an 1199a update on gear and SCBA and just read that come March 1, no more 2000 edition on gear.

With that, anyone have any idea how much it'll kick up the price? I'm starting to wonder how much the price will kick up and if I asked for enough for sure.

Catch22 I got the same warning from my vendor. He was saying that they are looking at at least 5% increase in February. That will cut into my stuff.

[Catch22]

Well, after about 10 days or so I finally got my 10Q's today. Now I guess I can joing the waiting line with everyone else who's waiting for official word.

[CTJAKE]

Well, after about 10 days or so I finally got my 10Q's today. Now I guess I can joing the waiting line with everyone else who's waiting for official word.

Did they come to an email or to the mail center on the AFG website, or both?

[Catch22]

Did they come to an email or to the mail center on the AFG website, or both?

To the emial on my contact info. I just checked and no new messages on the status page at AFG.


OK, I've had a long week and all and my brain isn't working right. Someone refresh my memory, I need to reply electronically with my answers and print them off and send to DHS (certified mail) both, right?

[onebugle]

Reply electronically, no hard copy required.

[AcushnetFire]

Hi folks, long time reader, first time poster! I am in that category of applicants who have not received a DJ and also have not seen an updated 1199. I am running out of sweat! Any words of advice or support or consolation?

[BC79er]

Have some Gatorade? I will keep you from dehydrating. :D

Not sure when the final sets of DJs & Denials will be out. Should be well before the app period opens, but just guessing.

[aduniii]

Just read a news article this week on a MA department (1st timer) that finally recieved a $261,250 grant (federal portion) for a pumper/tanker ($275,000) after 4 years of trying. Replaced a '72 tanker. Even with that replacement the remainder of the fleet is still aged. 2 pumpers (30 years) with 750 gallons each. I guess they were skeptical about the award. They wanted to verify that it was for real.

Know this MA department well. Town of 700 souls - Chief praying the town will find the funds for the match - I wonder how they will meet the new driver training compliance ( all 36 pages of it)

[BC79er]

the 36 page driver training is for 2007 awards not 2006.

[mitchkrat]

To the emial on my contact info. I just checked and no new messages on the status page at AFG.


OK, I've had a long week and all and my brain isn't working right. Someone refresh my memory, I need to reply electronically with my answers and print them off and send to DHS (certified mail) both, right?

hey catch22 - my new pumper-tanker finally was shipped from the plant in Lyons, SD to the dealer in Hays, KS for dealer prep (last Friday). The dealer finally sent me my final invoice on Monday (net 30) but called and told us he won't deliver the truck unless we can hand him a check. Applied to DHS for funds on Monday right after I got the final invoice - still setting on pending. Trying to convince fire cheif to write a personal check for truck, not having much success.

Kicker is the hose for the new rig was backordered.

So close yet so far!

Just reply electronically but print and keep a copy of your reply.

[Greenacres2]

the 36 page driver training is for 2007 awards not 2006.

Sure looks like a requirement to me. From the 2006 PG--

Finally, due to the inherent safety benefits to be realized in departments using a comprehensive driver-training program meeting NFPA 1002 or equivalent, we will provide a competitive advantage to requests where the applicant has a comprehensive driver-training program in place. Applicants seeking driver training with their vehicle request will receive a slightly lower competitive advantage than departments with a comprehensive driver-training program already in place. Applicants without a comprehensive driver-training program and who are not seeking funding for driver training in this application will NOT be considered for a vehicle award.

We said it in our application, we have to do it. The 36 page program gives us a conforming model to work with and we will be completed with it prior to the delivery of our vehicle.

earl (i need to learn how to drive anyway) :D

[BC79er]

Sorry, short answer since I was using the PDA.

The 36 page sucker that's out now is a beefed up version of the VFIS, at least last time I saw it a year or so ago. So "comprehensive" as defined in 2006 is open to interpretation, which many people did apparently. The big report was put out for 2007 apps to realize this is what they're doing now, none of this local he's been around for 20 years driving so that's comprehensive type thing.

Everyone I put in either asked for the full day VFIS or showed paperwork that they did it on their own annually. Ain't no misinterpreting the word NOT. :D

[Greenacres2]

Everyone I put in either asked for the full day VFIS or showed paperwork that they did it on their own annually. Ain't no misinterpreting the word NOT. :D

No kidding!! I added the bold typeface, but the all-caps "NOT" was already there. Looks even more imposing in the PG!!

earl

[FFF1607]

Well, heres my two cents worth as well. I was asked for a reduction in communication last week. Still waiting on the phone call/email.

[Catch22]

hey catch22 - my new pumper-tanker finally was shipped from the plant in Lyons, SD to the dealer in Hays, KS for dealer prep (last Friday). The dealer finally sent me my final invoice on Monday (net 30) but called and told us he won't deliver the truck unless we can hand him a check. Applied to DHS for funds on Monday right after I got the final invoice - still setting on pending. Trying to convince fire cheif to write a personal check for truck, not having much success.

Kicker is the hose for the new rig was backordered.

So close yet so far!

Just reply electronically but print and keep a copy of your reply.

Good to hear! Although I'd be tempted to tell the SOB if he'd had it delivered on schedule or at least gave me a date I could have had a check waiting. Amazing how they want us to have everything ready for them when they get there but are in no hurry to get the truck there. Especially when equipment's not on it!

I'll quit ranting now, but glad to hear it's getting close! Make sure to send me some pics, or post them so I can have a look. I'm still waiting to see, but our salesman was talking like ours might be one of the tanker/pumpers they use on the new Rosenbauer brochure. I tried to talk him out of a discount if they did, but no luck. :rolleyes:

[Fortsutphen]

Hi folks, long time reader, first time poster! I am in that category of applicants who have not received a DJ and also have not seen an updated 1199. I am running out of sweat! Any words of advice or support or consolation?

I'm feeling your pain brother. We have heard nothing as yet. For awhile I thought that that could be good thing. However as time progresses I'm thinking it aint looking good. Oh well. Starting to get ready for 07. Good luck.

[whitesox4life]

Got GREAT news yesterday!!!!! Grant has been awarded!!! $100,000 + for scbas helmets boots etc...

accepted under few conditions
$200 max for helmets and a few other conds.

[Dobieg]

Got great news this morning ourselves...$155k for Exhaust system (2 stations), mob/port radios, boots & fitness initiative. 1199 Early December, 10Q's before xmas....then some red flags with original quote for exhaust system...but with a 2nd quote....no reductions and just great news.

[Warren Vaughn]

Congrats Dobieg. Maybe mine will appear soon.

[Greenacres2]

Got great news this morning ourselves...$155k for Exhaust system (2 stations), mob/port radios, boots & fitness initiative. 1199 Early December, 10Q's before xmas....then some red flags with original quote for exhaust system...but with a 2nd quote....no reductions and just great news.

Congratulations Dobie!! Bring those bragging rights with you when you come in March!!

earl

[Limeforever]

Dobieg, what kind of exhaust system did you decide to go with? We also received a grant for exhaust system and generators for our stations.

[onebugle]

Limeforever,

We went with the Plymovent System for our 2 stations. The system has worked well. Any issues have been corrected in a timely by the local company.

Two suggestions:

1) If your station(s) are in a residential area, have an exhaust silencer placed on the exhaust pipe. We learned this the hard way. The HQ system was recieving complaints every time we went out. Once installed no such complaints. The other station didn't need it, no complaints.

2) Have a service agreement with the installing company. Costs us $2,000/year. Covers twice a year PM's and filter replacements and service calls.

[Limeforever]

When we speced out the system, we had a rep come in from plymovent, and he gave us some good info and a pretty good price, we have also talked with a couple of other reps that told us to call them back if we got some money, needless to say they shall not be getting a call. Didn't have the time for me then, Don't have the time for you now. We are looking to buy something that will last and be dependable.