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Tillerman17
03-08-2006, 09:13 AM
While the final moments of flight 11 wre revisited in the courtroom yesterday, Zacarias Moussaoui sat and smiled. Arrogant, defiant and smug this puss sac had the audasity to shout " God curse America" as he left the courtroom. Now that he is on trial for his life I feel the need to see this miserable scumtool punished in the worst way, but whats the option, Death or Life? Is that all? I say no. Why should we give this ass life so he can live out his remaining years with 3hots and a cot. Nah...tooo good for our little terror monger. Death you say....Nah... why allow him to become a poster child martyer for all future aspiring terror scumbags, while he supposedly is sent to paradise. I have a better solution for my friend here. Banish his sorry ass to a pig farm with no human contact for the rest of his life. We all know how the Muslims abhor pigs as the most unclean creatures on earth, so why not let him sleep, wallow and eventually eat the most vile thing in his world. This would also deny him entry into paradise. Hell, I would pay to see that.

WaterbryVTfire
03-08-2006, 09:37 AM
Tiller...the libbies left will not any "bad things" happen to this sc*m bag. The will make sure he either gets set free so he can plan another attack. Or they will make sure he has his koran, praying mat and east (or is west?) facing cell so he can say his prayers...all on our dime...

redneckemt
03-08-2006, 10:37 AM
Keep him alive he could be used as a bargining chip. Some other terrorist could take hostages and offer to release them if his buddy is released. Kill him and he becomes a martyer.

Now I like the pig farm idea, but why not release him in NYC, for some street justice?

MalahatTwo7
03-08-2006, 10:48 AM
But y'all know that it wont matter what punishment this guy gets. If he gets the death penalty, he becomes a martyr, if he get life imprisoment, he will be used as a barganing chip. Now the toughy.... he gets life, but where does he get incarcerated?

Put him in with all the other "regular" lifers... I bet he doesn't last 2 weeks in general population, which means he goes into solitary. Great now he gets specialized treatment because he is on his own. OR... he goes to a special facility so that he is "protected". Wonderful, he still get special treatment. :( This makes me think of Napoleon - was held on St Helena Island for the rest of his life.

nmfire
03-08-2006, 11:46 AM
I like the idea of allowing him to 'accidentally' escape custody in new york city. Have someone yell "Hey, that is an escaped 9/11 terrorist, somebody stop him!!". I give it 10 seconds before he is mauled to death.

RFRDxplorer
03-08-2006, 04:48 PM
I like the idea of allowing him to 'accidentally' escape custody in new york city. Have someone yell "Hey, that is an escaped 9/11 terrorist, somebody stop him!!". I give it 10 seconds before he is mauled to death.

There was an episode of Third Watch similar to this. A kid killing gang boss was let out of the car in his rival gangs territory. To put it nicely, he didn't last too long.


Yes, death would be too quick, give the a'hole life or put him in solitary for life with the pictures of every victim of 9-11 sandwiched behind plaxiglass and in front of the concrete wall. See how he does then. But, he is not at all normal so this may not affect him.

RoughRider
03-08-2006, 04:55 PM
Keep him alive he could be used as a bargining chip. Some other terrorist could take hostages and offer to release them if his buddy is released. Kill him and he becomes a martyer.

Now I like the pig farm idea, but why not release him in NYC, for some street justice?

Ha! Columbia University would hire him to teach Middle Eastern "culture".

Tillerman17
03-08-2006, 05:56 PM
If we let him loose in my old neighborhood in NY I say we give him at least a running start.

DennisTheMenace
03-08-2006, 06:01 PM
I have a friend who works at the Federal Courthouse in Alexandria, VA where the trial is being held, says that Moussaoui is really about 5'4" and a little twerp. I am sure that four years of incarceration has had it roll on him, but he is not the physically intimidating guy that the mug shot in the orange suit might suggest. I say give him life in the general population, and before any deals are made, deals that our government could never make anyhow, he will be shanked, a'la Jeffrey Dahlmer or that Boston priest.

RoughRider
03-08-2006, 07:55 PM
I have a friend who works at the Federal Courthouse in Alexandria, VA where the trial is being held, says that Moussaoui is really about 5'4" and a little twerp. I am sure that four years of incarceration has had it roll on him, but he is not the physically intimidating guy that the mug shot in the orange suit might suggest. I say give him life in the general population, and before any deals are made, deals that our government could never make anyhow, he will be shanked, a'la Jeffrey Dahlmer or that Boston priest.

Dang, Dennis! We agree!

mcaldwell
03-08-2006, 10:11 PM
IMHO, It is better for him to be a martyr once, than a rallying symbol for the next 40 years.

Just give him the needle and be done with it, and he'll be forgotten soon enough.

pwrstrkinsmketr
03-08-2006, 10:11 PM
ill take a stadium full of people watching this SOB get beheaded, shot,or stoned to death. Call him a martyr all they want, he wont be breathing.


Or take him to a fire academy, and throw him in a burning pit of fuel. To feel the pain the people on those planes felt. I'd have a helluva smile watching him die.

MalahatTwo7
03-09-2006, 09:56 AM
Unfortunately, martyr dead, or prisoner for life, if (and I say IF) he has the inner clout that we all think he does within the Organization, he can still be used as a rally point.

I really hate it when politics and religion get mixed together like this. There is no room for one to interfer with the other, but unfortunately human history shows the story very clearly that religion very often drives politics. :(

pwrstrkinsmketr
03-09-2006, 10:53 AM
Almost every war in history has always had religion involved.

love your fellow man, huh? Ironic...................

LEWTFL
03-09-2006, 10:11 PM
Laus deo.

And a few more characters to satisfy requirements.

MalahatTwo7
03-13-2006, 01:07 PM
Judge Abruptly Halts Moussaoui Trial
Lawyer Coached 4 FAA Witnesses

POSTED: 9:49 am EST March 13, 2006
UPDATED: 11:28 am EST March 13, 2006

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ALEXANDRIA, Va. -- An angry federal judge unexpectedly recessed the sentencing trial of confessed al-Qaida conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui on Monday to consider whether government violations of her rules against coaching witnesses should remove the death penalty as an option.

The stunning development came at the opening of the fifth day of the trial after the government informed the judge and the defense over the weekend that a lawyer for the Transportation Security Administration had coached four Federal Aviation Administration witnesses in violation of the rule set by U.S. District Judge Leonie Brinkema. The rule was that no witness should hear trial testimony in advance.

"This is the second significant error by the government affecting the constitutional rights of this defendant and more importantly the integrity of the criminal justice system of the United States in the context of a death case," Brinkema told lawyers outside the presence of the jury.

Defense attorney Edward MacMahon moved to have the judge dismiss the death penalty as a possible outcome, saying "this is not going to be a fair trial." In the alternative, he said, at least she should excuse the government's FAA witnesses from the case.


Prosecutor David Novak replied that removing the FAA witnesses would "exclude half the government's case." Novak suggested instead that the problem could be fixed by a vigorous cross-examination by the defense.

But Brinkema said she would need time to study what to do.

"In all the years I've been on the bench, I have never seen such an egregious violation of a rule on witnesses," she said.

The defense motion to eliminate the death penalty, if accepted, would end the trial and result in a life sentence with no chance of parole for Moussaoui. The defense did not move for a mistrial, which would have restarted the proceedings.

Moussaoui is the only person charged in this country with the 9/11 attacks. He pleaded guilty in April to conspiring with al-Qaida to hijack planes and to other crimes, but he denies any role in 9/11. He says he was training for a possible future attack.

Brinkema noted that Thursday, Novak asked a question that she ruled out of order after the defense said the question should result in a mistrial. In that question, Novak suggested that Moussaoui might have had some responsibility to go back to the FBI, after he got a lawyer, and then confess his terrorist ties.

Brinkema warned the government at that point that it was treading on shaky legal ground because she knew of no case where a failure to act resulted in a death penalty as a matter of law.

Even prosecutor Novak conceded that the witness coaching was "horrendously wrong."

According to descriptions by the lawyers in court, it appeared that a female Transportation Security Administration attorney who had attended closed hearings in the case went over with the four coming witnesses the opening statements at the trial, the government's strategy and even the transcript of the questioning of an FBI agent on the first day.

"She was at the Classified Information Act procedures hearing and she should have known it was wrong," Novak said.

MacMahon said the government had told the defense she had wanted the witnesses to be very careful in discussing the FBI agent's acknowledgment that the FBI knew long before Sept. 11, 2001, that al-Qaida terrorists in the Philippines were working on a plan to fly an airplane into CIA headquarters.

The federal attorney also apparently told the witnesses -- erroneously, Novak said -- that the government was planning to say that magnetometers at airport check-ins are 100 percent effective.

Novak claimed there was no harm in that disclosure because the government is not going to make that argument.

Before the trial was recessed by Brinkema, the jury was to hear from the Minneapolis FBI agent who arrested Moussaoui -- perhaps the key witness in the trial.

Special Agent Harry Samit's testimony is equally important to prosecutors and the defense at Moussaoui's sentencing trial. Samit, who has already testified for the prosecution, faced cross-examination.

Prosecutors say Samit and the FBI would have foiled the Sept. 11 attacks had Moussaoui confessed his membership in the al-Qaida terror network and his plans to hijack an airplane after he was arrested on Aug. 16, 2001, and interrogated by Samit.

The defense argues Moussaoui's lies made no difference because Samit saw through them and was convinced Moussaoui was a threat.

Up to now the burden of proof was this: To obtain the death penalty, prosecutors must first prove that Moussaoui's actions -- specifically, his lies-- were directly responsible for at least one death on Sept. 11.

Stay with News4 and nbc4.com for more information.

Now you'd figure that everyone knows the rules of court and would at least abide by them. Foolishness like this could cost the whole kit and kaboodle. :(

pwrstrkinsmketr
03-13-2006, 11:41 PM
Retry, then fry. No loss to society.

DennisTheMenace
03-14-2006, 10:47 AM
Retry, then fry. No loss to society.Screw up the system and it is a HUGE loss to OUR society.

MalahatTwo7
03-14-2006, 11:42 AM
Screw up the system and it is a HUGE loss to OUR society.

You can bet that if this gets a mistrial for inappropriate proceedings, the bleeding hearts will get a stay of proceedings on it and, as they say, that will be that. He will walk. :( Just waiting to read what the verdict is from the Judge now. This is the latest and greatest:

Moussaoui Judge Calls Special Hearing Lawyer Coached 4 FAA Witnesses

POSTED: 9:49 am EST March 13, 2006
UPDATED: 8:40 am EST March 14, 2006

ALEXANDRIA, Va. -- An angry federal judge considered Monday whether to dismiss the government's death penalty case against confessed al-Qaida conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui after a federal attorney coached witnesses in violation of her rules.

"I do not want to act precipitously," U.S. District Judge Leonie Brinkema said in scheduling a special hearing on the case Tuesday, but she said that it was "very difficult for this case to go forward."

Brinkema said a lawyer for the Transportation Security Administration sent e-mail to seven Federal Aviation Administration officials outlining the prosecution's opening statements and providing commentary on government witnesses from the first day of testimony. That was in violation of her pretrial order barring witnesses from exposure to any opening statements or trial testimony.

"An attorney for the TSA ... egregiously breached that order," she told jurors before excusing them until Wednesday. Of the seven, three were to testify for the government and four were potential defense witnesses.

Government officials identified the attorney as Carla Martin.

Brinkema wanted to hear Tuesday from the seven and from Martin to help her decide whether to throw out the government's case. If she does, Moussaoui would escape the possibility of execution and be sentenced to life in prison without chance of parole.

She said the rule against witnesses hearing testimony in advance is "a very important protection of the truth-seeking process."

"They never should have -- in my opinion -- sought the death penalty, given him this opportunity to have a world stage," said lawyer John Zwerling, who has tried prior terrorism cases. "If she declares a mistrial and takes the death penalty off, he will not get to testify, and his words won't be ringing on the networks and newspapers around the world."

Moussaoui appeared bemused as the lawyers debated how to proceed. Leaving the courtroom, he said, "The show must go on."

The stunning development came at the opening of the fifth day of the trial after the government informed the judge and the defense over the weekend of the attorney's contact.

"This is the second significant error by the government affecting the constitutional rights of this defendant and more importantly the integrity of the criminal justice system of the United States in the context of a death case," Brinkema told lawyers outside the presence of the jury.

Defense attorney Edward MacMahon moved to have the judge dismiss the death penalty as a possible outcome, saying "this is not going to be a fair trial." In the alternative, he said, at least she should excuse the government's FAA witnesses from the case.

Prosecutor David Novak replied that removing the FAA witnesses would "exclude half the government's case." Novak suggested instead that the problem could be fixed by a vigorous cross-examination by the defense.

But Brinkema said she would need time to study what to do.

"In all the years I've been on the bench, I have never seen such an egregious violation of a rule on witnesses," she said.

The defense did not move for a mistrial, which would have restarted the proceedings.

Moussaoui is the only person charged in this country with the 9/11 attacks. He pleaded guilty in April to conspiring with al-Qaida to hijack planes and to other crimes, but he denies any role in 9/11. He says he was training for a possible future attack.

Brinkema noted that Thursday, Novak asked a question that she ruled out of order after the defense said the question should result in a mistrial. In that question, Novak suggested that Moussaoui might have had some responsibility to go back to the FBI, after he got a lawyer, and then confess his terrorist ties.

Brinkema warned the government at that point that it was treading on shaky legal ground because she knew of no case where a failure to act resulted in a death penalty as a matter of law.

Even prosecutor Novak conceded that the witness coaching was "horrendously wrong."

Attorney General Alberto Gonzales declined comment on the developments.

MacMahon said the government had told the defense that the TSA attorney had wanted the witnesses to be very careful in discussing the FBI agent's acknowledgment that the FBI knew long before Sept. 11, 2001, that al-Qaida terrorists in the Philippines were working on a plan to fly an airplane into CIA headquarters.

The federal attorney also apparently told the witnesses -- erroneously, Novak said -- that the government was planning to say that magnetometers at airport check-ins are 100 percent effective.

Novak claimed there was no harm in that disclosure because the government is not going to make that argument.

Before the trial was recessed by Brinkema, the jury was to hear from the Minneapolis FBI agent who arrested Moussaoui -- perhaps the key witness in the trial.

Special Agent Harry Samit's testimony is equally important to prosecutors and the defense at Moussaoui's sentencing trial. Samit, who has already testified for the prosecution, faced cross-examination.

Prosecutors say Samit and the FBI would have foiled the Sept. 11 attacks had Moussaoui confessed his membership in the al-Qaida terror network and his plans to hijack an airplane after he was arrested on Aug. 16, 2001, and interrogated by Samit.

The defense argues Moussaoui's lies made no difference because Samit saw through them and was convinced Moussaoui was a threat.

Up to now the burden of proof was this: To obtain the death penalty, prosecutors must first prove that Moussaoui's actions -- specifically, his lies-- were directly responsible for at least one death on Sept. 11.

Stay with News4 and nbc4.com for more information.

DennisTheMenace
03-14-2006, 11:46 AM
You can bet that if this gets a mistrial for inappropriate proceedings, the bleeding hearts will get a stay of proceedings on it and, as they say, that will be that. He will walk. :( Just waiting to read what the verdict is from the Judge now. This is the latest and greatest:

He admitted his guilt. He will never "walk", the question is will he lay down forever at the time of the state's choosing, or God's.

MalahatTwo7
03-14-2006, 12:31 PM
This is the only thing that you could say causes me concern.

Moussaoui appeared bemused as the lawyers debated how to proceed. Leaving the courtroom, he said, "The show must go on."

Either he really is prepared to meet Allah face to face, or he's counting on the court system to bugger itself into the ground. I really hope its the former and not the latter.

pwrstrkinsmketr
03-14-2006, 01:58 PM
Sorry to say, you may be right. Seems justice likes to work in favor of the skell. Hopefully if he does get off, Some gun happy hick will blow his skull away.

20-1 odds this SOB will try something again in the name of Allah.

Street justice would work wonders in this case.

DennisTheMenace
03-14-2006, 04:00 PM
Sorry to say, you may be right. Seems justice likes to work in favor of the skell. Hopefully if he does get off, Some gun happy hick will blow his skull away.

20-1 odds this SOB will try something again in the name of Allah.

Street justice would work wonders in this case.He is NOT "getting off", this is only to decide life without parole or death.

pwrstrkinsmketr
03-14-2006, 05:23 PM
stand corrected.. As much as i would like to see him die. 23 hours a day solitary confinement for the rest of his life would want him to wish he was executed.....

E229Lt
03-14-2006, 05:29 PM
Half the prosecution case thrown out by Judge!

We will now watch the government lawyers try to frame a guilty man, ala, OJ.

DennisTheMenace
03-14-2006, 05:36 PM
Half the prosecution case thrown out by Judge!

We will now watch the government lawyers try to frame a guilty man, ala, OJ.He already framed himself. :D Now let's see if he will hang himself! :D

MalahatTwo7
03-30-2006, 02:21 PM
Moussaoui Case Goes To Jury. Prosecution: Moussaoui Killed With His Lies

POSTED: 6:39 am EST March 29, 2006
UPDATED: 8:33 pm EST March 29, 2006

ALEXANDRIA, Va. -- The death-penalty case against al-Qaida conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui went to the jury Wednesday after the prosecution asserted his lies were responsible for deaths Sept. 11, 2001, and the defense argued he had no part in the plot.

Five of the 17 jurors were dismissed randomly, leaving nine men and three women to decide whether Moussaoui bears blame for at least one death that day. If so, a second phase of the trial will open that will determine whether he deserves to be executed.

“In a federal death-penalty case, the jury first must decide whether he qualifies for the death penalty, and to do that in this case, the jury has to find that because of his silence or his lies, a death was caused directly from that,” said lawyer Jonathan Shapiro, who represented convicted sniper John Allen Muhammad and was present in the courtroom for Wednesday’s closing arguments.

In closing arguments, prosecutors argued that Moussaoui killed Americans on Sept. 11 by lying to investigators just as surely as he would have killed them by flying a plane into the White House.

Prosecutor David Raskin gave the government's closing argument in the first phase of Moussaoui's penalty trial, which determines whether the al-Qaida operative is responsible for any deaths Sept. 11.

"Zacarias Moussaoui came to this country to kill as many Americans as he could," Raskin said. "He was supposed to fly the fifth plane into the White House. Instead he killed people by lying and concealing the plot...that resulted in the worst terrorist attack in the country's history."

Raskin said that Moussaoui lied "with lethal intent" when he failed to tell federal agents after his arrest in August 2001 about his al-Qaida membership and the plot to kill Americans using hijacked aircraft.

Defense lawyer Edward MacMahon countered that his client was merely an "al-Qaida hanger-on" who had nothing to do with Sept. 11. He accused the prosecution of trivializing bureaucratic blunders that might have prevented the 9/11 plot from being exposed.

"Moussaoui was never involved other than in his dreams," MacMahon said, trying to minimize damage that Moussaoui might have done to himself when he claimed on the stand that he was to have crashed a plane into the White House on Sept. 11.

"The government cannot prove a hypothetical, what would have happened if Moussaoui had not lied," he said. "We will never know what could have happened in the 25 days between Moussaoui's arrest and Sept. 11."

He said of his client: "He's now trying to write a role for himself in history when in reality he's an al-Qaida hanger-on."

Moussaoui watched the closing arguments impassively but shouted "Victory to Moussaoui, God curse America," during a recess after the judge and jury had left the room. The recess preceded U.S. District Judge Leonie Brinkema's instructions to the jury.

The closing arguments followed a disclosure Tuesday that Moussaoui offered last month to testify for prosecutors against himself at his death penalty trial, the firmest evidence yet that the 37-year-old Frenchman was seeking to derail his own defense to try to gain martyrdom through execution.

The jury must decide whether the only man charged in this country in the Sept. 11 attacks will be executed or imprisoned for life. If the jury finds he is eligible for the death penalty, the second phase would involve another round of testimony, probably focusing on the victims, which could last weeks.

In a hearing Wednesday morning outside the jury's presence, prosecutors and defense attorneys argued over fine points of jury instructions and the implications of a hung jury in this phase. Prosecutors want a mistrial declared if the jury does not agree unanimously, which could mean a new trial with a new jury. Defense attorneys argued that result should end the trial with a sentence of life in prison. Brinkema appeared to lean toward the defense argument, but did not immediately resolve the issue.

To win eligibility for the death penalty, prosecutors must prove that Moussaoui's actions resulted in at least one death on Sept. 11.

According to Tuesday's testimony, Moussaoui offered in February during a jailhouse meeting with prosecutors to testify for the government that he planned to hijack and pilot a fifth plane on Sept. 11.

FBI agent James Fitzgerald testified that Moussaoui told him -- in a meeting requested by the defendant -- that he did not want to die behind bars and it was "different to die in a battle ... than in a jail on a toilet."

Moussaoui dropped his effort to testify for prosecutors after he learned that he had an absolute right to testify in his own defense.

On Monday, he stunned the court by asserting publicly for the first time that he was to fly a 747 jetliner into the White House on Sept. 11, despite having claimed for three years that he had no role in the plot. Instead, he had said he was to be part of a possible later attack.

The February meeting with the prosecution was to have been off the record but was ruled admissible after the defense introduced a partial transcript of Moussaoui's guilty plea last April.

In that 2005 pleading, Moussaoui said, "Everybody knows that I'm not 9/11 material" and that Sept. 11 "is not my conspiracy." He said he was going to attack the White House if the United States did not release radical Egyptian cleric Omar Abdel Rahman, imprisoned for other terrorist crimes.

The defense on Tuesday also presented evidence from two high-ranking al-Qaida operatives that cast doubt on Moussaoui's claim of involvement in 9/11.

Their testimony supports that of another top al-Qaida captive, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, chief organizer of the Sept. 11 attacks. He said in testimony read in court Monday that Moussaoui had nothing to do with the Sept. 11 plot, but was to have been part of a later wave of attacks.

Prosecutors argue that if Moussaoui had revealed his al-Qaida membership and his plans to hijack an aircraft, the FBI could have pursued leads that would have allowed them to track down most of the 9/11 hijackers and thwart or at least minimize the attacks.

The defense argues that nothing Moussaoui might have said would have made a difference because the FBI and other government agencies were consistently ignoring warnings prior to 9/11 that an attack was imminent.

The defense also argues that it's legally irrelevant to speculate on what might have happened if Moussaoui confessed, because Moussaoui always enjoyed a constitutional protection against self-incrimination.

phillipmc
04-02-2006, 03:03 AM
I say cut his arms and legs off and then throw him in a pig pit for them to waller all over for several hours then light a pit of jet fuel and throw him in it to let him burn. Make it Public and video tape it and send it back to the terriorst groups making an example of him. sound to harsh ? remember these scum bags murdered 343 of our brothers

pwrstrkinsmketr
04-04-2006, 09:34 AM
Screw him, he wants to meet Allah, we are just arranging it. IMO, kill 100,000 of them for everyone killed 9/11/01


remember those protesters over the cartoons..: "Behead those who say Islam is not a kind and gentle religion".


hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm......... Have to think about that one..

MalahatTwo7
04-07-2006, 04:04 PM
Get this: :(

Apr 7, 12:03 PM EDT

Jury Hears of Sept. 11 Emotional Impact By MATTHEW BARAKAT Associated Press Writer

ALEXANDRIA, Va. (AP) -- One boy wanted to become an astronaut so he could go into space and find his daddy in heaven. One girl lost her father, a hero firefighter, before she was even born.

The tales of pain and devastation wrought by the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks were told Thursday as prosecutors opened the second phase of their death-penalty case against Zacarias Moussaoui. Dozens of equally painful tales are expected as the trial continues.

In this second phase of the trial, prosecutors are seeking to prove Moussaoui deserves execution by highlighting the personal toll inflicted on so many on Sept. 11.

Moussaoui, the only person in this country charged in the Sept. 11 attacks, was found eligible for the death penalty Monday when a jury concluded that he directly caused at least one of the deaths on that day.

Courtroom observers and some jurors were shaken as they heard some of the victim-impact testimony.

An Nguyen was 4 years old when his father, Khang Nguyen, was killed at the Pentagon. Prosecutors showed a picture of An standing at the Pentagon gates a few days after the attack, looking for his dad.

"He became heartbroken, quiet," said An's mother, Tu Nguyen. "He didn't have enough words to express his feelings."

When An was told his dad was in heaven, An decided he wanted to become an astronaut, "so he can go into space and look for his daddy," she told the jury.

Moussaoui made light of the testimony he heard.

"No pain, no gain, America," he said at the end of Thursday's hearing.

The government's first witness, former New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani, became choked up when he described how his longtime secretary Beth Petrone Hatton lost her husband, firefighter Terence S. Hatton, in the attacks.

A few days after Terence Hatton died, Beth Hatton learned that she was pregnant with the couple's first child.

Emotions increased when a picture of the baby girl, born in May 2002, flashed on courtroom screens.

"Terry's going to grow up without a father ... without a very special father," Giuliani said. "You can't replace that."

Jurors saw videotapes of two hijacked jetliners hitting the World Trade Center and watched people jump to their deaths from some of the top floors of the 110-floor skyscrapers to avoid being burned alive.

Later, jurors heard the voice of lead hijacker Mohammed Atta aboard the jet that hit the first tower in New York. In a broadcast intended for passengers but mistakenly transmitted to air controllers, Atta said: "We have some planes. Just be quiet and you'll be OK."

Defense lawyers, in their opening statement to the jury, urged them to "somehow maintain your equilibrium" in the midst of emotionally devastating testimony.

"You must nevertheless open yourselves to the possibility of a sentence other than death," defense lawyer Gerald Zerkin said.

Zerkin said both Moussaoui's sisters are paranoid schizophrenics and his father is very troubled and may be schizophrenic as well. Noting the disease is inherited, Zerkin plans to call a doctor who believes Moussaoui suffers from a mental illness that probably is schizophrenia.

It was indeed hard to maintain equilibrium during Thursday's hearing. One firefighter described how his friend and mentor died after he was hit by a falling body from one of the twin towers.

Another man described how his sister committed suicide a month after the attacks, grieving over her husband's death on American Airlines Flight 11, the first plane to hit the World Trade Center.

Chandra Kalahasthi read to the jury the suicide note written by his sister, Prasanna: "I want to be with my loving hubby."

One woman who shot video of the attack from her hotel described hearing "audio fireflies" - a chirping that she later learned is emitted from firefighters' equipment when they are motionless for extended periods of time.

In his opening statement to the jury, prosecutor Rob Spencer braced jurors for the painful testimony they were going to hear over the next few weeks. The voices of the victims of the attacks and their anguished families should be all jurors need to hear to conclude that Moussaoui should die for his crimes, Spencer said.

Spencer said about 45 victim-impact witnesses will be called to testify, representing less than 2 percent of the nearly 3,000 people who died on Sept. 11.

On Friday, in a separate matter, families of 9/11 victims who have filed two civil lawsuits - against parts of the airline industry and against those alleged to have financed al-Qaida - won access to some evidence in the Moussaoui trial.

The plaintiffs' lawyers sought access to non-sensitive information that prosecutors turned over to defense lawyers but which was never introduced at trial.

Government lawyers opposed the motion, saying it would give these plaintiffs special rights to access that others don't enjoy.

But U.S. District Judge Leonie Brinkema said 9/11 plaintiffs do enjoy special privileges as a result of congressional legislation. She also chided the government for its eagerness to keep information from the public.

"I've always been troubled by the degree to which our government keeps things secret from the American people," Brinkema said, noting surprise at how many things have been deemed classified in the Moussaoui trial and the difficulties that causes in terms of managing the case.

Associated Press writer Michael J. Sniffen contributed to this report.

© 2006 The Associated Press.

KEEPBACK200FEET
04-08-2006, 02:05 AM
All it takes is a 75 cent hollowpoint out back behind the courthouse, if you know what I mean.

MalahatTwo7
04-12-2006, 09:13 AM
An excerpt from the latest news report.

In the third day of testimony from relatives of 9/11 victims, the jurors showed little emotion. One man discreetly wiped his face with a tissue; on earlier days as many as six of the 17 jurors and alternates did so.


After a three-minute bench conference to argue with the defense over what could be shown, prosecutors displayed photos of a charred body on a blue stretcher, another charred body sitting upright inside a wrecked Pentagon office, several charred bodies piled together inside another destroyed office and a small torso covered with ash on a blue stretcher. The mostly intact bodies had barely discernible facial features.

Each picture was displayed for a few seconds. Within minutes, the jury left for lunch.

Moments later with judge and jury gone, Moussaoui defiantly shouted to spectators as he was led out: "Burn all Pentagon next time."

www.nbc4.com/news/8624115/detail.html?treets=dc&tid=2656888351813&tml=dc_7am&tmi=dc_7am_1_06000204122006&ts=H

Rescue101
04-12-2006, 10:20 AM
I'm for assigning the little twerp to a Georgia chain gang bustin' rocks.For the rest of his days. Although spraying him with JP5 and handing him a match does have a certain appeal. Whatever end should come it should be SLOW and painful. Like someone else said,we're merely here to arrange the meeting.T.C.

pwrstrkinsmketr
04-17-2006, 11:43 PM
How about a camera off an old SR-71 spy plane that could photograph a golf ball at 80,000 feet. Tie him to a post next to a nuclear test bomb. set off the bomb, and frame by frame watch him vaporize. Then send it to al-jazeera and tell them to expect that during the next hajj to Mecca if there is another attack on our soil.


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