Another video

[hfd838]

Before you hit play you might need to let this one load for a few minutes. It's about 8 minutes long.

http://www.station46.com/St%20Augustine%20video.htm

[LasVegasFTO]

Thanks for the cool (HOT) video. I see you had a talk with the camera person about maintaining a steady hand........LOL

I'm amazed the car didn't ignite, but I'll bet the paint blistered. It was probably worth more than the house.

Gotta bust your chops....What's with the funny red hose?? An oversized booster line?? :D :D :D

[firefighter7160]

That makes for a good training video. Red hose... 1 3/4.. we use the same lines here, and yes there red..... My crew watched the video. Then are Captain said what would you guys done. Man did we have alot to say. Houston F.D. must be a N F P A dept. I will say every thing was by the book.

[firefighter7160]

I must say, H.F.D. has some good fires, lots more videos on there site. But i must ask. Ive seen them all and i dont know. Did they put the fires out, our did the fire run out of fuel.......

[tailboardrider]

i hope you are kidding? about saying they are by the book? going into a fully involved house fire? what was there to save?? the car out front was the only thing there worth trying to save. guy walking around with no gear on? who ever that idot was pulling hose and grabbing stuff without his gear on need to go back to school and learn that u must have your gear on when working a fire scene, if he was the driver then stay with the truck. that video was about as bad as watching a bunch of vollies that have not had a fire in awhile just fighting fire with no gear on! comon guys really that was a video of what not to do! house like that should have been surround and drown!! no need to have gone in, the guys walking around with no helmets, or anything on!

[hfd66truck]

i hope you are kidding? about saying they are by the book? going into a fully involved house fire? what was there to save?? the car out front was the only thing there worth trying to save. guy walking around with no gear on? who ever that idot was pulling hose and grabbing stuff without his gear on need to go back to school and learn that u must have your gear on when working a fire scene, if he was the driver then stay with the truck. that video was about as bad as watching a bunch of vollies that have not had a fire in awhile just fighting fire with no gear on! comon guys really that was a video of what not to do! house like that should have been surround and drown!! no need to have gone in, the guys walking around with no helmets, or anything on!

In your perfect world, did you happen to hear the radio traffic about a report of someone in the building?

Are there a lot of cellar holes where you work?

[Tann3100]

i hope you are kidding? about saying they are by the book? going into a fully involved house fire? what was there to save?? the car out front was the only thing there worth trying to save. guy walking around with no gear on? who ever that idot was pulling hose and grabbing stuff without his gear on need to go back to school and learn that u must have your gear on when working a fire scene, if he was the driver then stay with the truck. that video was about as bad as watching a bunch of vollies that have not had a fire in awhile just fighting fire with no gear on! comon guys really that was a video of what not to do! house like that should have been surround and drown!! no need to have gone in, the guys walking around with no helmets, or anything on!

Theres one in every group. Probally hasnt been in a fire. Forreal alot of firefighters enjoy going in a structure involved like that h@#$ I would. Dont pay him no attention bro youll keep doing what you do. Good job. Besides even if they said wasnt no one in there I would swear I heard someone say there was just to go play a little bit.

[FFFRED]

i hope you are kidding? about saying they are by the book? going into a fully involved house fire? what was there to save?? the car out front was the only thing there worth trying to save. guy walking around with no gear on? who ever that idot was pulling hose and grabbing stuff without his gear on need to go back to school and learn that u must have your gear on when working a fire scene, if he was the driver then stay with the truck. that video was about as bad as watching a bunch of vollies that have not had a fire in awhile just fighting fire with no gear on! comon guys really that was a video of what not to do! house like that should have been surround and drown!! no need to have gone in, the guys walking around with no helmets, or anything on!

Suround and drown??? You are joking right?

Are there some issues that I though were a little odd? sure... like someone having to go get as he put it some pike poles...I would have figured the Truckies would have a few with them...but I don't know perhaps they had vaulted celings in that little shack...I can't tell. I wasn't there an all I can see doesn't look bad from what the video shows. Overall though it seemed pretty cut and dry to me.

There was obviously an area to search to the rear of the structure...they appeared to place handlines between the fire and the areas to be searched and they knocked the fire down. I'm sure you work in some slashing outfit there buddy...tell us how the job is supposed to be...what "school" can we attend to learn these skills where you give up the fight as soon as one see's big red flames? To me stretching lines between possible occupants and the undamaged portion of the structure and the fire is about as basic as Engine Co operations get. What book or text do you subscribe to?

All I can say if you were here and wouldn't at least attempt to make entry into that fire...for the remainder of your sorry azz career you would be labled a coward if not worse...I imagine the same goes for the HFD.

I'm sure the HFD is glad they don't have you backing them up...go back to wherever you are from and bravely attack those fires from the street!

FTM-PTB

[Dalmatian190]

You know, kind of like Fred, there where a few more things in this video that made me scratch my head a bit...nothing serious though.

But I will make this commentary, kind of set off by Tailboard's comment...

going into a fully involved house fire?

It is by far, far a more dangerous thing that firefighters can't properly size-up a fire than any lack of gear by the Engineers (I assume -- they guy who was moving hose & tools, and yes, kind of poked his head in the door at one point) is.

That building, from what's on the video. was not fully involved.

We'd be better off as a fire service if we did better training on things like size-up, determining where the fire is and what it is doing, etc then worrying if someone has their turnout gear on.

[FrFtr28]

This may sound like a dumb question to some of you, but how would you go about protecting the vehicle in front of the house? Is that something that would take a 'backseat' to the fire and any possible victims inside?

[GFDLT1]

I think it was a great video. Keep them coming. I enjoy watching how other departments work. You can always pick up little things to put in your tool box. The only negetative thing I have to say has already been mentioned by FFFred and that is you have 2 hands so if you don't have the nozzle in one of them then you need to have 2 tools in them. I try all the time to preach that to the new guys at work. That house was far from being fully involved. Like FFFred said, if you didn't bust up in that house here then you would most definitely be called a p#$$y.

[hfd838]

i hope you are kidding? about saying they are by the book? going into a fully involved house fire? what was there to save?? the car out front was the only thing there worth trying to save. guy walking around with no gear on? who ever that idot was pulling hose and grabbing stuff without his gear on need to go back to school and learn that u must have your gear on when working a fire scene, if he was the driver then stay with the truck. that video was about as bad as watching a bunch of vollies that have not had a fire in awhile just fighting fire with no gear on! comon guys really that was a video of what not to do! house like that should have been surround and drown!! no need to have gone in, the guys walking around with no helmets, or anything on!

Hey Tailboard what there was to save was the person’s property…didn’t you learn that in fire school. I guess you haven’t made many fires. Otherwise you would know how grateful people are when you can save them anything. I brought out a picture once from a fire where they lost 90 percent of their belongings and they held on to that picture and thanked me because it was theirs and we saved it. Sometimes it’s the little things. Was my life worth that picture? YES it was. Other wise what am I doing this for. Funny how you bring up safety, but look at your name Tailboard rider…ya..Like that’s safe. If you think a two room fire calls for a surround and drown, then thank God you’re not on my department. I will give you this though. Although there shows a lot of unsafe practices and no amount of experience will save you without proper gear, it’s just not real world. When you get some fires under your belt you will see that. And I don’t mean that in a bad way either. I was a rookie once myself and thought that everything I learned in school was the bible and they way to do it…

[FFEMT284]

anyone with another link to this file ... the initial link is down now

[hfd838]

the site is down right now....check back in a little while...:(

[Tann3100]

That house was far from being fully involved. Like FFFred said, if you didn't bust up in that house here then you would most definitely be called a p#$$y.


Well put bro

[cdemarse]

that video was about as bad as watching a bunch of vollies that have not had a fire in awhile just fighting fire with no gear on!

Pay and unions do not determine wheather you are a professional.

[WebFire]

Was my life worth that picture? YES it was.

:rolleyes: I love how these boards ping pong all over the place. One minute we are talking about reducing LODD's and safety safety safety! The next minute we are macho men that dare not be a "pussy" and that a picture is worth a firefighter's life.

Ho hum, what fun the Internet is. :cool:

[fireman4949]

i hope you are kidding? about saying they are by the book? going into a fully involved house fire? what was there to save?? the car out front was the only thing there worth trying to save. guy walking around with no gear on? who ever that idot was pulling hose and grabbing stuff without his gear on need to go back to school and learn that u must have your gear on when working a fire scene, if he was the driver then stay with the truck. that video was about as bad as watching a bunch of vollies that have not had a fire in awhile just fighting fire with no gear on! comon guys really that was a video of what not to do! house like that should have been surround and drown!! no need to have gone in, the guys walking around with no helmets, or anything on!


I cannot tell you how proud I am to work in a department that actually "fights" fire! :D
I would be ashamed to be associated with a department that rolled to that scene and went defensive! :o

"Surround and drown."?! Hopefully YOU are the one that is kidding!
"Nothing left to save." Yeah, nothing of value to you perhaps, but most likely EVERYTHING this family had in the world!

How many fires have you actually been to? And of those, how many have you actually made entry? Apparently not many if you cosidered this was "fully involved".

I think overall they did a very good job. Keep up the good work guys!




Kevin :D

[hfd66truck]

:rolleyes: I love how these boards ping pong all over the place. One minute we are talking about reducing LODD's and safety safety safety! The next minute we are macho men that dare not be a "pussy" and that a picture is worth a firefighter's life.

Ho hum, what fun the Internet is. :cool:


Somewhere around the middle is a path......

Most places I know would have made a interior attack on that fire.

Every place I know would have the decency not to rip a Department for what they perceived to be the "wrong" way to handle it.

Like I said, listen to the tape, they talk about a possible victim.

Like Dal said, it wasn't fully invovled.

[fireman4949]

Somewhere around the middle is a path......

Most places I know would have made a interior attack on that fire.

Every place I know would have the decency not to rip a Department for what they perceived to be the "wrong" way to handle it.

Like I said, listen to the tape, they talk about a possible victim.

Like Dal said, it wasn't fully invovled.

I saw the video at the station and the speakers were not working. I did not hear the radio traffic. All the more reason to make entry and conduct a search!




Kevin :D

[hfd838]

:rolleyes: I love how these boards ping pong all over the place. One minute we are talking about reducing LODD's and safety safety safety! The next minute we are macho men that dare not be a "pussy" and that a picture is worth a firefighter's life.

Ho hum, what fun the Internet is. :cool:

Webfire my post is not me being macho, because that will get you killed quicker then all most anything I know. Like wise you will not find a single word on here with me saying fireman should not die. 15 years ago I made the decision to be a firefighter and since that day I have realized that my job could one day take my life. I do not fear it nor do I wish for it. The only way to keep fireman from dying is to be like tailboard there and never go in, but that is not what I have chosen to do. I believe I am very aggressive firefighter, but more important, I believe I’m a smart firefighter. Being macho kills, being to safe kills civilians. It is up to each person where they chose fall in at. I myself surround myself with aggressive smart firemen, who use their brains and experience, more then their egos or balls. So moral of the story. I took an oath to protect life and property by putting my life at risk and that is what I get paid to do. Oh and just so you don't think I’m talking macho ego, I buried my captain on my birthday last year so I know first hand what the real truth about a LODD is.

[hfd66truck]

Being tenative and unsure kills too.

Know your abilities, know your enemy.....

Do The Right Thing......

[hfd838]

OK boys and girls…:) let me clear a few things up about this fire…

1) The big red booster line as some have called it…lol I to thought it was a little too much, but here is a true story. 02-19-05 A house fire Brandon at Bellfort. 8 men enter 7 men come out…most through windows with their gear on fire. After the fire like any LODD an investigation follows and one thing was clear from the start. There were two lines in the house at the time, a blue line and an orange line. The few firefighters that made it out the front door all stated that the orange line was easy to find. Were they could not see the blue line at all. So a lesson was learned (hey safety nuts here is me being safe) Use high visibility hose in case things go south it could save your life. Ya they look funny, but even I can accept that if it helps get me out of a bad fire. (remember be smart) And YES IT DOES LOOK LIKE AN OVER SIZED RED LINE…LOL
2) Yes the chuffers are not wearing gear. Personal choice that our department lets members make for themselves. I guess if you don’t like that don’t come to Houston.
3) Yes we did get a report that there might be someone inside. Luckily they got out.
4) For those that said the house was fully involved..lol either they didn’t watch the whole video or they have no idea what a fully involved fire looks like. If they didn’t like that wait to the next video I put up looks like..lol their really going to go nuts over that one…lol
5) This part is not to start a debate, but in Houston we do wear different hoods that allow us to go in faster and deeper. There are pro’s and con’s to this, but I do stand by it.
6) Thank you for everyone that watched the video and said good job and thank you for all those that watched and said something different. I appreciate all types of opinions even if they don’t match with mine. I’m not God. I’m just a guy trying to put out a fire.
7) And last but not least…I would love to see videos of you all’s fire so lets seem them or at least e-mail them to me or send a link. I promise I won’t judge what has all ready happened…:)
8) Stay safe my brothers….and be ready the bell will someday go off

[ChicagoFF]

i hope you are kidding? about saying they are by the book? going into a fully involved house fire? what was there to save?? the car out front was the only thing there worth trying to save. guy walking around with no gear on? who ever that idot was pulling hose and grabbing stuff without his gear on need to go back to school and learn that u must have your gear on when working a fire scene, if he was the driver then stay with the truck. that video was about as bad as watching a bunch of vollies that have not had a fire in awhile just fighting fire with no gear on! comon guys really that was a video of what not to do! house like that should have been surround and drown!! no need to have gone in, the guys walking around with no helmets, or anything on!
Hahaha.... lets see your dept. in action, I'm sure that would be even funnier than this comment you made!

[fireman4949]

OK boys and girls…:) let me clear a few things up about this fire…

1) The big red booster line as some have called it…lol I to thought it was a little too much, but here is a true story. 02-19-05 A house fire Brandon at Bellfort. 8 men enter 7 men come out…most through windows with their gear on fire. After the fire like any LODD an investigation follows and one thing was clear from the start. There were two lines in the house at the time, a blue line and an orange line. The few firefighters that made it out the front door all stated that the orange line was easy to find. Were they could not see the blue line at all. So a lesson was learned (hey safety nuts here is me being safe) Use high visibility hose in case things go south it could save your life. Ya they look funny, but even I can accept that if it helps get me out of a bad fire. (remember be smart) And YES IT DOES LOOK LIKE AN OVER SIZED RED LINE…LOL
2) Yes the chuffers are not wearing gear. Personal choice that our department lets members make for themselves. I guess if you don’t like that don’t come to Houston.
3) Yes we did get a report that there might be someone inside. Luckily they got out.
4) For those that said the house was fully involved..lol either they didn’t watch the whole video or they have no idea what a fully involved fire looks like. If they didn’t like that wait to the next video I put up looks like..lol their really going to go nuts over that one…lol
5) This part is not to start a debate, but in Houston we do wear different hoods that allow us to go in faster and deeper. There are pro’s and con’s to this, but I do stand by it.
6) Thank you for everyone that watched the video and said good job and thank you for all those that watched and said something different. I appreciate all types of opinions even if they don’t match with mine. I’m not God. I’m just a guy trying to put out a fire.
7) And last but not least…I would love to see videos of you all’s fire so lets seem them or at least e-mail them to me or send a link. I promise I won’t judge what has all ready happened…:)
8) Stay safe my brothers….and be ready the bell will someday go off

I agree with your point about high vis hose. We use bright yellow for our attack lines.

I am hoping that we can one day get a dedicated videogragher for our department. At this time we do not have one. :(

Please keep the videos coming. I really enjoy watching, comparing tactics and reading everyone's comments.




Kevin :D

[WebFire]

Webfire my post is not me being macho, because that will get you killed quicker then all most anything I know. Like wise you will not find a single word on here with me saying fireman should not die. 15 years ago I made the decision to be a firefighter and since that day I have realized that my job could one day take my life. I do not fear it nor do I wish for it. The only way to keep fireman from dying is to be like tailboard there and never go in, but that is not what I have chosen to do. I believe I am very aggressive firefighter, but more important, I believe I’m a smart firefighter. Being macho kills, being to safe kills civilians. It is up to each person where they chose fall in at. I myself surround myself with aggressive smart firemen, who use their brains and experience, more then their egos or balls. So moral of the story. I took an oath to protect life and property by putting my life at risk and that is what I get paid to do. Oh and just so you don't think I’m talking macho ego, I buried my captain on my birthday last year so I know first hand what the real truth about a LODD is.

Fair enough. However, I want to make it clear that my comment had nothing to do with the video. It was a general comment about what I see on this board. I may think that risking your life for a picture is a bit extreme, but that is up to the individual.

I tend to agree with you and the other posters about this topic. Many departments aren't that agressive with a fire like that, and for good reason. They don't see enough fire to attack like that and know what they are doing. Obviously they would run a higher risk of injury or death if they tried to fight their fires that agressively. I would say my department falls somewhere in the middle. So kudos to you and your comrads for having the ability.

I myself am not a safety nazi. Now don't get me wrong, safety is important. But common sense prevails. Please tell me why an engineer must have his turnout gear on when he isn't within 20 ft. of the structure. Sure, maybe he shouldn't peak his head in the inferno, but overall I think people tend to be a little unrealistic.

But that is a topic for another day.

[LasVegasFTO]

i hope you are kidding? about saying they are by the book? going into a fully involved house fire? what was there to save?? the car out front was the only thing there worth trying to save. guy walking around with no gear on? who ever that idot was pulling hose and grabbing stuff without his gear on need to go back to school and learn that u must have your gear on when working a fire scene, if he was the driver then stay with the truck. that video was about as bad as watching a bunch of vollies that have not had a fire in awhile just fighting fire with no gear on! comon guys really that was a video of what not to do! house like that should have been surround and drown!! no need to have gone in, the guys walking around with no helmets, or anything on!
Cleaning up the neighborhood starts in your own back yard. Until then, you have no business pointing fingers at another dept.

This may sound like a dumb question to some of you, but how would you go about protecting the vehicle in front of the house? Is that something that would take a 'backseat' to the fire and any possible victims inside?
A handline (1 3/4") on full fog, directed onto the vehicle should work. Yes, RESCUE FIRST. Just remember RECEO [Rescue, Exposures (interior or exterior), Confine, Extinguish, Overhaul]. Salvage and Ventilation can come anytime within this action plan.

OK boys and girls…:) let me clear a few things up about this fire…

1) The big red booster line as some have called it…lol I to thought it was a little too much, but here is a true story. 02-19-05 A house fire Brandon at Bellfort. 8 men enter 7 men come out…most through windows with their gear on fire. After the fire like any LODD an investigation follows and one thing was clear from the start. There were two lines in the house at the time, a blue line and an orange line. The few firefighters that made it out the front door all stated that the orange line was easy to find. Were they could not see the blue line at all. So a lesson was learned (hey safety nuts here is me being safe) Use high visibility hose in case things go south it could save your life. Ya they look funny, but even I can accept that if it helps get me out of a bad fire. (remember be smart) And YES IT DOES LOOK LIKE AN OVER SIZED RED LINE…LOL
2) Yes the chuffers are not wearing gear. Personal choice that our department lets members make for themselves. I guess if you don’t like that don’t come to Houston.
3) Yes we did get a report that there might be someone inside. Luckily they got out.
4) For those that said the house was fully involved..lol either they didn’t watch the whole video or they have no idea what a fully involved fire looks like. If they didn’t like that wait to the next video I put up looks like..lol their really going to go nuts over that one…lol
5) This part is not to start a debate, but in Houston we do wear different hoods that allow us to go in faster and deeper. There are pro’s and con’s to this, but I do stand by it.
6) Thank you for everyone that watched the video and said good job and thank you for all those that watched and said something different. I appreciate all types of opinions even if they don’t match with mine. I’m not God. I’m just a guy trying to put out a fire.
7) And last but not least…I would love to see videos of you all’s fire so lets seem them or at least e-mail them to me or send a link. I promise I won’t judge what has all ready happened…:)
8) Stay safe my brothers….and be ready the bell will someday go off
AMEN BROTHER.....keep the videos coming, we'll sack the monday morning QB's. You guys just keep fightin' fire the way you do. You were there, we weren't.

[firefighter7160]

Are you suggesting they didn't get them out quick? Whats your question?

There is no question... Look at the video. The front of the house burned for so long. They had so many firefighters just walking around. At on point one firefighter was just standing looking at the fire, no tools, no hose, just standing, watching. I think 500 gal's would have knocked down the fire. A fire like that, im not going in. Ill knock it down from the outside first. Then go in. Did anyone hear them say "your out of water"??? Thats why we dont go in tell theres a plug caught. Thats how firefighters get hirt. I looked at there page www.station46.com and they say there one of the busiest stations in the US. "But of what medical. Not fire"...... But i shouldent say that.. We all have are bad day.... I hope thats what it was, just a bad day. And if thats how they fight fire, thats cool. I know we all do are own thing. I just know what i do here. But this would be a good training video.

[ThNozzleman]

There is no question... Look at the video. The front of the house burned for so long.
So? I'm sure they got to it soon enough. Here, we try to save the entire house; not just the outside or front porch. You can't put fires like the one in the video out from the outside. Nine times out of ten, you'll only waste a lot of time and water chasing smoke around. It looked like these guys moved in from the least involved area and advanced towards the fire, probably searching these areas at the same time. Let the fire burn on the front until they get to it. That's all someone trapped in the rear needs is some freelancing knucklehead to open up on the front with a fog, driving all that heat and smoke back on them.

[tailboardrider]

hmm wheres the video page now??? seems the web site is down? interesting. ;)

[firefighter7160]

You don't go in until you have hydrant water??? How do you expect to get a quick attack like that? A good hydrant man should have you water long before you use your 500. Thats why you have a tank, so you don't have to wait for the hydrant. You can wait if you want, just step aside as we lead out and steal the fire from you. Get real.

We fight fire here... But we use are head's. All that fire??? Hit it from the out side. Then go in. Did you not see the fire start to roll over the first crew in. I saw it. I also saw them pull back after loseing water... And what they had in the tank dident do anything to the fire... I also never saw a line took to protect the other structures. Like i said, we all do are own thing. I love to be the first one in. But only if i have to find the fire. I really dont think they had a hard time trying to find that fire... Did you have a hard time finding the fire... Get a eye check.....

And yes, i work for a small dept. sorry im not on the high level of firefighting that most of you others are. I wish i could be at a big city like Chicago, New York, and L.A. but im here now....... Also sorry that are 750+ fire's is a small # to some of you. Im not trying to be the big bad firefighter like some others are in here. Just do what i do. What happened to brotherhood... Im sorry if i sound like a hot head to some of you. But like i alwas say. WE ALL DO ARE OWN THING. What we really sould be doing is watching this and learning from it.

CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG......LOL

[GFDLT1]

I heard someone say they thought that they were out of water, and I heard the engine throttle up. But I never saw the hoses go limp or the ff's quit flowing water. I don't know how some people on here can continue to say hit it from the outside or lets wait till we have the hydrant to go in when there is a REPORT OF A VICTIM IN THE HOUSE. I whole heartedly believe in risk a lot to save a lot and risk a little to save a little. In this video there was a lot to be saved, a person's life and well of half of someone's house/possessions. I have looked at Pine Bluff's city website, it appears to be a nice little town. And I have tried to look at pine bluff fd's website, but it is down I guess in a town that size with well over 750 fires a year, being that you all probably run 3 shifts, that there isn't much left of the town but parking lots to show on the website.

[wag11c]

I think I asked once before, but where the heck is Pine Bluff? Isn't that the name of the town on General Hospital? I also once again would like to see proof of the 700+ working fires they fight. I reckon they don't carry attack lines but instead just hit it with the deck gun.

[cdemarse]

I heard someone say they thought that they were out of water, and I heard the engine throttle up. But I never saw the hoses go limp or the ff's quit flowing water.

Also right before they enter the structure I hear what I believe is "engine 36 here comes your water"

[firefighter7160]

Here if there's flames showing, thats a working fire. And no this is not that town from that show. I love how everyone loves to hit down everything i say on my threads. Thought we were giving are thought's in here. But thats cool. I guess thats life in the FireHouse.

[GFDLT1]

Dude you said 2 fires a day, not us. We are just throwing the BS flag. If you see that much fire then good for you, but there are a lot of guys in those big city fd's that probably don't see that much fire in a year. 750 working fires is an awful high number. If this is true, I think I am moving to Pine Bluff. I would give up our extra 400 or 500 calls that my engine runs over your's to catch 750 working (flames showing, cotton on the ground) fires.

[hfd66truck]

Here is a question that begs asking....


I think I asked once before, but where the heck is Pine Bluff? Isn't that the name of the town on General Hospital?


Bro, how in the he!! do you know the name of the Town on "General Hospital"? :D :D

2 fires a day, I'll move.

[cdemarse]

disreguard

[cdemarse]

Here is a question that begs asking....





Bro, how in the he!! do you know the name of the Town on "General Hospital"? :D :D

2 fires a day, I'll move.
NO straight man should know that :D

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[GFDLT1]

Cdemarse- hell yeah, lets go rent us a house. But we better make sure it is in the neighboring town, otherwise we would have to worry about our stuff burning up. Do you reckin' you would have to get special renters insurance due to the high fire hazard of living near Pine Bluff aka the fire capital of Ark.

[SteveDude]

You misunderstood my sarcastic post. I wasn't saying that 750+ plus fires a year is a small amount, I was calling BS on that number. Your town has roughly 50,000 people. Just guessing, that might give you around 25,000 structures. Divide that by 7 for your number of stations and you get around 3500 buildings in your still district or first due or whatever you call it. Now, you say your engine gets at least 2 house fires a day. Thats your minimum. So, just for the sake of argument lets say you average 850 house fires a year. That means your ENTIRE district burns down every 4.375 years!!! Forgive me if I find that hard to believe. From your city's website it looks like a charming little town - the "city of murals", "volunteer city of the year", Norman Rockwell downtown scenes. Tell me, where do all these fires occur? Even if every house only averaged 500 structure fires a year your entire town would be gone in just over 7 years. Help us out with these astounding numbers....


Ahhhh...
I love it when someone does a little bit of arithmatic!!!! Nice one Chicgao FF!!! :D :D

Still can't see the damned video though, so I can say "Pah...we'd have knocked that f**ker down with a Booster!!!!" ;)

[PFDTruck18]

What this guy is calling a worker, we classify as a pot of meat, rubbish, autos etc... Hes got NO idea.

[wag11c]

If I drive past someone's house and they have a candle lit in the kitchen can I make it a working fire? When ya work with female FF's you know all the names of the soap operas and towns on them...(that's a joke).

[firefighter7160]

We call a working fire here any time we lay a line from the plug..... I know that most other fire dept's dont call it like that... Hope that this clears it up.

[hfd838]

Fair enough. However, I want to make it clear that my comment had nothing to do with the video. It was a general comment about what I see on this board. I may think that risking your life for a picture is a bit extreme, but that is up to the individual.

I tend to agree with you and the other posters about this topic. Many departments aren't that agressive with a fire like that, and for good reason. They don't see enough fire to attack like that and know what they are doing. Obviously they would run a higher risk of injury or death if they tried to fight their fires that agressively. I would say my department falls somewhere in the middle. So kudos to you and your comrads for having the ability.

I myself am not a safety nazi. Now don't get me wrong, safety is important. But common sense prevails. Please tell me why an engineer must have his turnout gear on when he isn't within 20 ft. of the structure. Sure, maybe he shouldn't peak his head in the inferno, but overall I think people tend to be a little unrealistic.

But that is a topic for another day.


Webfire Thanks for the response. I did look at what you wrote different then what you meant,,,my bad...:)

[hfd838]

hmm wheres the video page now??? seems the web site is down? interesting. ;)


tailboard is that the only response you can give me about what i wrote to you...how lame

to everyone else
I do not run the site a different shift does, but they are good about getting it back up asap. sorry for the delay hope for it to be back up soon

[cdemarse]

To the rest of my Brothers headed to "Pine Bluff", I'm going too! We need to make sure we all work different shifts there though...Someone needs to keep fire watch at home while the rest of us are fighting all the other working fires! :eek:

Just curious. How many of these 700+ fires you work are arsons? :o

You can stay with myself and GFDLT1, we are going to get a big house :p

[LasVegasFTO]

My biggest concern is: I hope this guys chief don't read this thread !!!!!!! :rolleyes: :eek:
HeHeHe.....Better yet, would love to see the look on the chief's face when all of you show up for a job in the morning. :eek:

Personally, I think those of you that are going down there for a job will be turned away due to being overqualified.....you have training, education, experience, knowledge and common sense. :D :D

[hfd838]

HEY PINE FLUFFER

Where did you go? How come you not on here telling me how to do things with your vast wealth of knowledge and experience.

[Dalmatian190]

Boy, I take a few days off from a thread 'cause I thought I might have been a little short-fused with my reply to Tailboard...

And all heck breaks loose :)

1) Regarding Working Fires.
I like the "Buffalo" definition for determining when to consider a fire "working" -- to paraphrase,
A fire that is expected to require 2 or more handlines to control

"Working" is a short version of "All Hands Working" and indicates a fire of such size, you anticipate everyone on the 1st alarm assignment (all hands) to be working...

Many places use it as the trigger for an additional company or two to be added to the dispatch since almost by definition, declaring a working fire means you've committed all your men to firefighting and you don't have units in reserve for relief or rapid response.

I guess you could have a working brush fire :D Very hard to have a working car fire or dumpster fire. I can't stand the term "working chimney fire"

And I won't except "working fire inflation" solely due to horribly poor staffing...a room & contents isn't working just because you only have 6 guys on your first alarm so they'll all be working :D

[FiftyOnePride]

hmm wheres the video page now??? seems the web site is down? interesting. ;)


I believe bandwidth was exceeded here.

I like those apples. ;)

[LeeJunkins]

HeHeHe.....Better yet, would love to see the look on the chief's face when all of you show up for a job in the morning. :eek:

Personally, I think those of you that are going down there for a job will be turned away due to being overqualified.....you have training, education, experience, knowledge and common sense. :D :D


What’s the old NASA saying: Houston we have a problem …..

I think we do here, I know and understand the enthusiasm and want to be,
of young FFs, been around a few in the last 41 years.
But there is a line that can be crossed, and I think we found the line here.
When a person is stopped, as this one was at the very beginning of the thread it is time to disappear in embarrassment, or say, hey I made a mistake, but when you just keep pushing it, it is no longer on you alone but it becomes an embarrassment on your department. This is the same as some one going to a bar and making a drunken fool of themselves in uniform. And should be treated as so. I am sure that all of his department is not like this, I have been around a lot of Ark. Departments, and big or small they are a pretty good bunch of guys.

[LeeJunkins]

A good example of this, I just looked back at the forum page, as of right now 1862 people have read this thread. and remember these never go away they go to arcives and can be searched for years.

[Bones42]

You can stay with myself and GFDLT1, we are going to get a big house :p Dude, put in a sprinkler system because it appears that it will burn to the ground fairly soon. :D ;)

[FiftyOnePride]

Dude, put in a sprinkler system because it appears that it will burn to the ground fairly soon. :D ;)


Gotta sleep with a fire extinguisher at the edge of the bed.

[pfd4life]

Gotta sleep with a fire extinguisher at the edge of the bed.

Make sure you have a Class D too, aside from the standard 35lb ABC. :D

[FiftyOnePride]

Make sure you have a Class D too, aside from the standard 35lb ABC. :D


Good call.

[cdemarse]

Dude, put in a sprinkler system because it appears that it will burn to the ground fairly soon. :D ;)


oh good point.
Hell I might put some standpipes in too

[Bones42]

Got some 1.5" and TFT automatics to go with those. :rolleyes:

[SPFDRum]

Pine Bluff must have 3/4 boots, all the BS that 7160 slings, they will need them. :D

[fireman4949]

Pine Bluff must have 3/4 boots, all the BS that 7160 slings, they will need them. :D

No way!

The "Safety Patrol" would never allow that! Way too dangerous! :rolleyes:




Kevin :D

[LeeJunkins]

I am old and senile, SOOOOOOO Please Remind Me to never say any thing wrong on here :eek: !!!!!!!
You guys are tough, :D :D

[fireman4949]

I am old and senile, SOOOOOOO Please Remind Me to never say any thing wrong on here :eek: !!!!!!!
You guys are tough, :D :D

Yup! Like a leopard, waiting to pounce on the little baby gazelle! :D




Kevin :D

[pfd4life]

Got some 1.5" and TFT automatics to go with those. :rolleyes:

Nah, 1.5 and Rockwood Navy nozzles.

[hfd838]

what happened to pine fluffer he hasn't said to much lately....

[fireman4949]

what happened to pine fluffer he hasn't said to much lately....

Busy shift...5 "fully involved" fires. He's gotta be whipped! :p .




Kevin :D

[MattyS]

ok guys...so hes full of s-hit. you made your point(s). but let the little gazelle be so he may lick his wounds and return to spice up our threads another day..

on that note, iv'e learned something. I learn MORE here at fh.com forums from threads with dumbasses that post and the ensuing replys from the seasoned and educated, than the threads with NO dumbass posts. So without them...well, I might just be alittle stupider.

So to all the rubbers out there, I thank you!


MattyS

KTF | DTRT

[cdemarse]

Busy shift...5 "fully involved" fires. He's gotta be whipped! :p .




Kevin :D

good point

[pfd4life]

Does a fully involved fire include the extinguishment of the grill they use to cook lunch?

[fireman4949]

Does a fully involved fire include the extinguishment of the grill they use to cook lunch?

Only if they laid 5".
So yeah, I think it does. :o




Kevin :D

[DetroitFF]

The link is back up. Good stuff.

[hfd838]

Thank you for everyone that posted a remark on here. Both good and bad. I do believe every fire we can learn from. Did this fire go by the book? No of course not. No fire ever does. And like the old saying goes. There is more then one way to skin a cat. Every department must figure out the best way to do things for their department based on manpower, equipment, experience, and education. I may be blessed to be working for a large department that makes a lot of fires, but in now way does that make be better then anyone here. I know volunteers who put must paid guys to shame. The point to this. Stay safe brothers and have fun. We all just do the best we can with what we have in front of us.
Thanks again guys.
I'm working on getting the next video still you'll like it. It shows one of my brothers (bless his heart) getting off the engine with his helmet on backwards....lol

[hfd66truck]

So to all the rubbers out there, I thank you!

Amen! :cool:

[fireman4949]

Thank you for everyone that posted a remark on here. Both good and bad. I do believe every fire we can learn from. Did this fire go by the book? No of course not. No fire ever does. And like the old saying goes. There is more then one way to skin a cat. Every department must figure out the best way to do things for their department based on manpower, equipment, experience, and education. I may be blessed to be working for a large department that makes a lot of fires, but in now way does that make be better then anyone here. I know volunteers who put must paid guys to shame. The point to this. Stay safe brothers and have fun. We all just do the best we can with what we have in front of us.
Thanks again guys.
I'm working on getting the next video still you'll like it. It shows one of my brothers (bless his heart) getting off the engine with his helmet on backwards....lol

WE WANT MORE!!!!! :D




Kevin :D

[hfd66truck]

It shows one of my brothers (bless his heart) getting off the engine with his helmet on backwards....lol


Better than with his Scott on upside down!!!!!!

Been there, done that..and have a picture to prove it! :D

[Weruj1]

Hey Dave....welcome back ! you've got mail !!!!!!! Have a good time ?

[hfd66truck]

Got it Rujji.......kinda small though.

Trip was awesome.

[RFRDxplorer]

Great Site hfd38!!! Thanks for the videos!

[mark440]

I'm not from anywhere near as busy as HFD is... but I've been to a couple fires. :p
I think this fire was fought appropriately and efficiently. I don't know about others on this forum, but I've always been taught in "school" and practiced to fight the fire from the UNBURNED or LEAST BURNED area to the burning area. The guys without turnouts on... been there done that. Engineers have the choice of wearing PPE or not. But if I give reasons why I chose not to wear it then we'd be engaging in another issue.
One thing I did notice and caused me concern but may be of no concern for anyone else, the power line on the front of the porch that burned through and caused sparking and I could see the house side of the burned through portion hanging. Like I said, to some not a big deal. To me, I'm not a fan of loose electricity. :o
Some may not want to enter that structure. There are guys that I have worked with that would have performed an exterior attack and/or entered it to fight through the front door.
I used to work with some older guys who did not believe in interior attacks. Needless to say, they didn't work in "busy" stations.
From what I can see, everything was done appropriately and timely on this video. I'd like to see more! (Videos and FIRES!!!! :D )

*Mark

[stretch13]

Great video!! As soon as I saw some water coming out the front window, I said, "Yes they are in there getting it"
For the nay sayers,
1. That house was a long way from fully involved.
2. Pumper drivers not wearing their PPE, I never have while driving a pumper.
3. I can't see making an exterior attack on that, at all.
4. Did someone make a comment about venting that?? Here's a clue, when it's coming through the roof....it's vented.
5. I don't live too far from Pine Bluff, and to put it bluntly, Pine Bluff you are full of crap!!
HFD keep up the good work

[Jamie59]

I think after reading the posts the guy who has the biggest coconuts isn't the guy making the interior attack on the house fire (which is what I think is the right move anyway but I only have been a junior firefighter for 2 years so I'm going to admit I definatley do not know as much as you guys, it just doesn't make sense to me making an exterior attack on a partly involved house) or the guy running 750 working fires a year. It has to be the guy brave enough to post videos of his department at work because after seeing how some guys have ripped on him for what most and I think was a pretty well done job I sure as heck won't be posting any videos of my department at calls. Not because we are unsafe ( we are actually very safe and the chief is VERY strict about safety for his firefighters) but simply because I couldn't stand my department getting ripped on for a well done job.

[jkainer75]

Hey guys, if you like that video, then you should check out www.thebravestonline.com . This site has incredible fire pics and videos, including video and pics from inside a live burn training. Most are from around the Houston, TX area (many are of the Houston Fire Department), but it is expanding to other parts of the nation. They have a cash contest every month for the top photos/videos, so tell your friends.

[Truck32]

i hope you are kidding? about saying they are by the book? going into a fully involved house fire? what was there to save?? the car out front was the only thing there worth trying to save. guy walking around with no gear on? who ever that idot was pulling hose and grabbing stuff without his gear on need to go back to school and learn that u must have your gear on when working a fire scene, if he was the driver then stay with the truck. that video was about as bad as watching a bunch of vollies that have not had a fire in awhile just fighting fire with no gear on! comon guys really that was a video of what not to do! house like that should have been surround and drown!! no need to have gone in, the guys walking around with no helmets, or anything on!
GREAT VIDEO!
Get off the TAILBOARD and go in kid!!!

[FTMPTB15]

Another good video of HFD @ a 4-11 Apartment Fire.

**CAUTION** This video is 19 minutes long showing the arrival and action taken by the first alarm companies. Enjoy.. :cool:

http://www.thebravestonline.com/HFD411.html

[firefighter7160]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wmS77p6WEE&search=1403

Must be an East Coast thing......lol......Believe they hit a gas line????

[Weruj1]

no they did NOT ..................to tired to search it out ........is wasnt a gas line per se`.

[firefighter7160]

Thats what I said.....hope everyone is ok.

[bbergg]

thebravestonline.com and firehouse19.com are some awesome sites.those guys from hfd got their s@#$ together.i love the vid fightin fire in the hurricane.

[BC79er]

www.hfdvids.com and www.hfdpics.com are two sites from guys approved by HFD to video and take pics of any incident they can get to. More good stuff on both sites.

That other video has been discussed around here already, as Weruj1 was trying to get out. They poured gasoline in a part of the house (basement I think), then waited so long the vapors were all over the place by the time the guy went to toss in the flare. It was supposed to be a "training".

[res54cuecaptain]

holy S#$T. geez. i hope those guys are alright.

[RFRDxplorer]

If you search that vid on here you will find alot of info on it. I first saw it in an Incident Command Class put on by the one and only Weruj1. There is alot to the story, I would search it now for you and type what I know, but I am exhausted.

[firefighter7160]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtDQ2an6a4c&mode=related&search=#

This Video makes Kentlands Movie, look like a Preschool Play.

www.pineblufffire.com

[hwoods]

Got some 1.5" and TFT automatics to go with those. :rolleyes:

"Would you like Fries with that?" :D :D :D

[FTMPTB15]

Here's a whole page of videos from Durham FD (Durham, NC). http://www.angelfire.com/nc3/dfd/moviepage.html And when they say, "City of Fire" they're not lying... Durham burns a lot. :eek: The last video on the page is probably the best.

And here is one from Charlotte Fire Department riding on Ladder 1 and operating at a structure fire. http://www.the1house.com/McAlway%20Video.htm


(And now I'll sit back and wait for those who are going to jump on these departments because they don't do things the way "their" department does things.. :rolleyes: )