Gun owner's revenge........

[arhaney]

From our local TV station:
WCBI (http://www.wcbi.com/)

A burglar gets a big surprise after breaking into a Starkville woman's home. Invesitgators say a man busted down a side door of a house on Setter Lane early this morning. The homeowner was waken by her dog who heard the noise. At that point the young woman grabbed her 9mm handgun and started firing from her bedroom. Police say the woman continued firing the gun as she chased the suspect out of the house. The suspect is still on the loose. Investigators say they're looking for a gray or charcoal late model Ford Tauras.

The young lady fired something like 5 or 6 rounds at the crook, she had holes in her sheetrock to prove it! She chased the bad guy through the house firing at him the whole way, even into the street and into his getaway car! The car also had two more suspects inside and glass was found in the street where she struck the car atleast one time. Just gotta love a little street justice...... :D :D

[fireman4949]

From our local TV station:
WCBI (http://www.wcbi.com/)



The young lady fired something like 5 or 6 rounds at the crook, she had holes in her sheetrock to prove it! She chased the bad guy through the house firing at him the whole way, even into the street and into his getaway car! The car also had two more suspects inside and glass was found in the street where she struck the car atleast one time. Just gotta love a little street justice...... :D :D


I'm all for protecting your self, family and property, and anyone bold (or stupid) enough to break into my house while I'm home won't be leaving the same way they came in.

That being said, I think this lady potentially put her whole neighborhood in jeopardy by shooting wildly into the street. She obviously couldn't hit the water if she fell from a boat. It's a good thing a stray bullet didn't kill an innocent kid across the street.

If someone is going to use a gun for protection, they'd better be able to hit what they're shooting at. Not to mention the fact that chasing a fleeing suspect down the street while using deadly force to try to stop them is going to get you into some serious trouble.




Merry Christmas!!!!!
Kevin :D

[DaSharkie]

I agree, weapons discipline is incredibly important. Never discharge your sidearm unless your target is in sight.

Some people watch too much Hollyweird stuff. No weapons accountability or site and target acquisition practice.

I also agree that if you break into my house while I am home you will leave injured or dead. Even more so if the Mrs. is home with me - you can't hit 2 people at the same time, but 2 people can hit you at the same time. And you will bleed, probably from multiple new orifaces.

[arhaney]

I would agree that those shots fired wildly could have injured/killed someone else..................but had she not fired her weapon she could have been attacked, injured, raped or killed.

One shot from my 45 with the Black Talon ammo would have taken care of it for me.

[IGotTheJumpSeat]

I'm all for protecting your family/property. I've never had anything like this happen to me, so I dont know how i'd react. Taking another life would be hard to do, even if they are commiting a crime against you. On the other hand I sure wouldn't think twice about taking there leg off at the knee with my .50 Cal Desert Eagle.

[efd824]

If i don't get them first my german shepard will, she has a bit of an attitude problem when you arrive unexpected :p

[hwoods]

I sleep very well at night, knowing that I'm protected by Laura's 12ga. Single Barrel Shotgun that holds more rounds that your Pistol......... Damn thing has an 18.25 inch Barrel length, 36 inches overall, and the owner is better at it that I am. My weapon of choice comes when, no, make that if, you get out of her Shotgun's range. A Ruger 22 with a clip that holds a bunch (24, I think) with a B&L Scope that is VERY accurate at 300 Yds.

Trivia Quiz: How can you possible shoot a neighbors Cat?

Answer: Don't lead it as much as the Dog.

:D :D :D :D :D

[britfan1]

Quite a few years back, a friend of mine arrived home to find the door to his house standing open, and some very troubling noises coming from upstairs. He grabbed his 12 gauge (With no plug in the magazine...the plug's for use if the game warden show up ;) )

He went upstairs to find a rather large individual undressing in preparation of raping his tied-up 14 year old daughter...

...as the story goes he let the lowlife (Sans pants at that point) get past him, down the steps, and out side before opening fire (They lived well out in the country and several hundred feet off the road, so endangering the occupants of other homes wasn't a factor).

He got him four times out of five shots fired. While running. Needless to say, that was one less scum bag for the world to worry about.

Some time later, while he and his now freed and still shaken but thankfully otherwise unharmed daughter were giving their statements to the sheriff's deputy who was in charge of the investigation, the deputy (Who had known my friend for many years) asked 'How come ya shot him 4 times???

My friends answer??? "Because the slime ball went down 'bout the time I let go with the last shot, and that one went high and missed...'

Rob

[SSTONER]

I'm all for protecting your family/property. I've never had anything like this happen to me, so I dont know how i'd react. Taking another life would be hard to do, even if they are commiting a crime against you. On the other hand I sure wouldn't think twice about taking there leg off at the knee with my .50 Cal Desert Eagle.

A bit much for home protection isnt it? Not only would you take off the leg but you might go through every wall in the house!

I keep a SpringField XD 40 around for unwanted visitors. :D

[stillPSFB]

Good on her I reckon as long as she's sensible about it and doesn't hit an innocent bystander which isn't too likely in the early hours of the morning. At least she was organised and prepared to defend herself.

BTW has anyone considered the possibility that she was just trying to frighten the guy which is why she didn't hit him?

[DaSharkie]

BTW has anyone considered the possibility that she was just trying to frighten the guy which is why she didn't hit him?

An unacceptable use of a firearm, and still wreckless endangerment. You do not discharge your weapon without a target and without the complete and sole intent to kill your aggressor.

This twit lady discharged her weapon in public, on the street - thus endangering her neighbors.

Sorry, totally unacceptable.


As for home defense, frangible rounds are a great option since they will not penetrate beyond the first layer of drywall. I have some for my .40 calibre Sig. Need to get some for my 2 .45s though.

[fireman4949]

[QUOTE=DaSharkie]You do not discharge your weapon without a target and without the complete and sole intent to kill your aggressor.

QUOTE]


Sorry, but if you ever have to use deadly force for whatever reason, and did end up killing someone, the above statement will get you a charge of manslaughter at the very least.

Deadly force, when used legally, is for stopping an aggressor, NOT for trying to kill them. Aim center mass (solar plexus) and fire only as many rounds as are necessary to STOP the person. If the person dies as a result of their injuries, that is unfortunate, but your intent was merely to stop them, NOT to kill them.

Anyway, this chick was damn lucky.




Kevin :D

[lvwrench]

She needs a home defense shotgun with bird shot. Then maybe when she shoots she can hit something without bullets flying all over the palce.

[hoseheadmaps]

make sure to shoot them in the house and shoot to kill not wound, i know it will mess up the carpet and you never let them craw out of the house either. "better to be tried by 12 then carried by 6"

[WebFire]

Deadly force, when used legally, is for stopping an aggressor, NOT for trying to kill them.


Isn't that an oxymoron? :confused:

[IGotTheJumpSeat]

A bit much for home protection isnt it? Not only would you take off the leg but you might go through every wall in the house!

I keep a SpringField XD 40 around for unwanted visitors. :D

Maybe a bit much, depends on how you look at it. all i'd need is one shot to land, agressor down, and more than likely not going to survive to sue me because I shot him in my home.
I got a friend thats a Sheriffs depuity, he's told me in the past to just make sure there IN the house and there a free for all for target practice.

[DaSharkie]

Sorry, but if you ever have to use deadly force for whatever reason, and did end up killing someone, the above statement will get you a charge of manslaughter at the very least.

I understand your point. My intent is that one should shoot to kill, not shoot to maim. If your round is high and to the right then fine, but I am not going to aim at a leg, arm, or head. As you said, center mass - and with only enough rounds necessary to eliminate my threat.

[Dalmatian190]

Sorry, but if you ever have to use deadly force for whatever reason, and did end up killing someone, the above statement will get you a charge of manslaughter at the very least.

To get Sharkie's back on this...

No, it will not.

Basic gun handling 101: You never aim your weapon unless you are prepared to destroy the target. Sharkie was just stating the basics.

There may be situations you do not pull the trigger -- you recognize the target is not what you thought it was; the presence of the weapon ceases the threatening activity. But the fundamental assumption is if the trigger is pulled, the target will be destroyed, whether it's a tin can, a deer, or a human.

And by luck, the target may still be alive and you decide they are no longer a threat before pulling again, that's fine. But you damn well better know, expect, and be prepared for that first shot to be lethal.

Frankly, this whole thread is pissing me off as, with the exception of Sharkie and a few others, as gun whackers.

The woman's actions where as stupid and undefensible as most gun laws.

The 12 guage story...oh gee, where do we start? Did it take four shots because he was using no choke, bird shot, and from 50 yards away? Give me a break...plus a person outside and fleeing in most if not all states isn't justifiable unless, say, you saw him reaching for a weapon.

TV-style "Knee Cap" shots...geesh. There are very, very, very few people who can pull that off under stress (and a lot more who think they can). And it is hard to imagine a situation that winging someone is the logical conclusion of a threat size-up -- great, I took out his knee cap and he pulled a concealed weapon and shot me...

You aim for center mass for one big reason -- it's an easy shot, since like knee-cap shots, most of us can't make throat or head shots under stress either.

[arhaney]

Gee, the only reason I posted this story was because I thought instead of the young lady becoming the victim of a violent crime, she was kept from harm by the use of her firearm.

[IGotTheJumpSeat]

I guess i'm a gun "whacker". I only have 13 firearms in my house.

[arhaney]

Oh, one more point.............I see the point about how many shots were fired and how dangerous that was, but how about those police and bad guy shoot outs have you seen with several magazines fired and there are very few hits. I wouldn't think that shooting at someone is as easy as poking holes in a paper target.

[Dalmatian190]

Having 13 guns in the house doesn't make a whacker.

Thinking you'll shoot someone in the kneecap does.

[hoseheadmaps]

hey jumpseat:

rule #1. never reveal troop strength.(number of weapons)
rule #2. if they craw out of the house pull them back in.
rule #3. dead men don't testify.

love the topic. i don't understand how a guy can hold off pulling the trigger when his kid is in danger. brains wash off walls, unless it's a flat MAB, can't wash anything off that stuff.

[S8ER95Z]

Unless I confronted the person and they continued to come at me..I probably wouldn't fire... if they didn't confront me with a weapon I would probably just chase them down...a rear naked choke will subdue someone a lot easier than a 9mm just winging them. Thats just me.

[CALFFBOU]

Ok folks- If it hasnt been said already. There is a multi-step system if osme breaks into your house.

1. You should have looks on the doors.
2. Someone breaks into you house, STAY in the bedroom and call 9-1-1.
3. NEVER, never go looking for the person. They can ambush you.
4. Stay in your room (preferred locked) with your firearm and wait until the person(s) comes in to your room, THEN use the weapon as needed.

Now if you think they are heading for your kids room, then I say go there and stay with them. But never go hunt the person down. You might just kill your spouce getting a mid-night snack. Call the police first. Thats the ticket.

[IGotTheJumpSeat]

Having 13 guns in the house doesn't make a whacker.

Thinking you'll shoot someone in the kneecap does.

LOL, thats good Dalmation. Ever heard of "shop talk"?

[arhaney]

Ok folks- If it hasnt been said already. There is a multi-step system if osme breaks into your house.

1. You should have looks on the doors.
2. Someone breaks into you house, STAY in the bedroom and call 9-1-1.
3. NEVER, never go looking for the person. They can ambush you.
4. Stay in your room (preferred locked) with your firearm and wait until the person(s) comes in to your room, THEN use the weapon as needed.

Now if you think they are heading for your kids room, then I say go there and stay with them. But never go hunt the person down. You might just kill your spouce getting a mid-night snack. Call the police first. Thats the ticket.

Great post, Bou. :D :D

Why not send Mini-Me out as a decoy................. :D

[SSTONER]

Maybe a bit much, depends on how you look at it. all i'd need is one shot to land, agressor down, and more than likely not going to survive to sue me because I shot him in my home.
I got a friend thats a Sheriffs depuity, he's told me in the past to just make sure there IN the house and there a free for all for target practice.

I am not even sure if with the kick back of that gun anyone would be all that accurate combined with fear/adreniline(sp). I shot both the desert eagle and the .50 cal rifle - the desert eagle I could at least hold without feeling like I was going to fall over. :D

[DaSharkie]

Oh, one more point.............I see the point about how many shots were fired and how dangerous that was, but how about those police and bad guy shoot outs have you seen with several magazines fired and there are very few hits. I wouldn't think that shooting at someone is as easy as poking holes in a paper target.

But the average number of rounds discharged by a police officer in a shooting incident nationwide is 2 or 3 if I recall the article I read on it a few years ago.

On the flip side, many agencies do not keep training standards high enough. One trip to the range a year is pathetic.

[EFD840]

Gee, the only reason I posted this story was because I thought instead of the young lady becoming the victim of a violent crime, she was kept from harm by the use of her firearm!

What! No way - you can't mean it. Surely you aren't implying that she's better off because she was armed?! ;) ;) ;)

On the serious side, a very similar incident happened in Montgomery, AL this weekend. On Friday, a couple of thugs attempted a home invasion. The homeowner was shot in the shoulder, he returned fire and told the neighbors he hit one of the invaders but the PD didn't find anybody. Fast-forward to Sunday, when a neighborhood child playing in the woods found a body. Turns out the homeowner was right all along. Yesterday, the police caught up with the accomplice and charged her with murder. Alabama law says if you're committing a crime and someone gets killed, thats murder. The homeowner wasn't charged.

[spearsm]

Gee, the only reason I posted this story was because I thought instead of the young lady becoming the victim of a violent crime, she was kept from harm by the use of her firearm.

I was tickled to read about it. Considering this fell on the heels of the murder there, Bravo for the female. Nervous about the running out of the house firing a weapon, but still happy she is alive and well.

What! No way - you can't mean it. Surely you aren't implying that she's better off because she was armed?! ;) ;) ;)

On the serious side, a very similar incident happened in Montgomery, AL this weekend. On Friday, a couple of thugs attempted a home invasion. The homeowner was shot in the shoulder, he returned fire and told the neighbors he hit one of the invaders but the PD didn't find anybody. Fast-forward to Sunday, when a neighborhood child playing in the woods found a body. Turns out the homeowner was right all along. Yesterday, the police caught up with the accomplice and charged her with murder. Alabama law says if you're committing a crime and someone gets killed, thats murder. The homeowner wasn't charged.

Justice served.

[mcaldwell]

I'm with Sharkie, Dal, and Bou.

There is no such thing as shoot to wound. It's shoot kill or don't shoot at all. And from my experience and education, other than shooting a fleeing perp in the back, the only things that are sure to get you in trouble are:

1. Finishing shots after the perp goes down.
2. Reloading, and then emptying the second clip into him.

(Although the second option may have a certain amount of enjoyment to it. ;) :D )

As for the chick in the article, good on her for defending herself, but yes, she should have known when to draw the line.

As for the guy who shot the rapist, I would support his call to let him leave the girls bedroom. If the rapist was unarmed (and apparently now naked), he was not as big of a threat to the weapon weilding owner, and the 14 yr old girl didn't have to witness that type of violence in her bedroom while already panicked and tied to a bed.

[pfd3501]

anyone familiar with the 3 Ss?

[DaSharkie]

anyone familiar with the 3 Ss?

Shoot

Shoot

Shoot.

That would be - 2 to the chest, and 1 to the head.

[RadRob]

If they are in my house, I shoot till they aren't moving. The moment they run from my house with a piece of lead in their arse, I let them go. Chasing someone is not defense, it is offense.

If they are in your house, and they are dead, they can never argue with you about who was chasing who. If you shoot to wound, they can come back and say they weren't threatening you, they were trying to retreat and you attacked them. Just keep the same position of "I was fearful for my life and the life of my family. I used the force I felt necessary to protect them."

[quint1officer]

anyone familiar with the 3 Ss?


No..

Shoot.
Shovel.
Shut up.




I own a 12ga, a lot of land, and a shovel.

[DaSharkie]

No..

Shoot.
Shovel.
Shut up.




I own a 12ga, a lot of land, and a shovel.

:D :D :D :D

[superchef]

No..

Shoot.
Shovel.
Shut up.




I own a 12ga, a lot of land, and a shovel.

:D :D :D