Washington D/C Fire exam 2006

[dmfireschool]

Below is the e-mail we received concerning the Washington D/C fire exam for 2006.

The DC Fire&EMS Department will be administering the Firefighter-EMT entry-level exam in May 2006. The exact date has not been determined yet. Please visit our website at http://fems.dc.gov for future announcements about the upcoming exam.



Thank you,

Captain Campbell

Recruiting

202-673-3330

Don McNea Fire School will be conducting preparatory classes for the 2006 Washington D/C fire exam. Go to www.fireprep.com and enter your e-mail address for our newsletter to be notified when classes will be held. Good luck !!



Brent Collins is an Assistant Fire Chief with the Cleveland Fire Department and President of Don McNea Fire School. Go to www.fireprep.com or www.firemanemtparamedic.com for more information on test taking strategy and advice.

You can find more on testing secrets by Chief Collins in the Jobs/Careers Article section on the drop down menu to the LEFT of this posting.
Good luck !!

[brianandgail]

"Join the DC Fire/Emergency Medical Services Department’s proud tradition of service to the nation’s capital. Becoming a firefighter/EMT or a paramedic/firefighter in the District gives you access to the best training, the best equipment, and a career of service in one of the nation’s top Fire/EMS Departments. We serve a diverse metropolitan population of residents, commuters, and visitors to our nation’s capital. We provide protection to the President of the United States, Congress, and foreign embassies.


The Department is actively recruiting National Registry-certified Paramedics and EMT-Intermediates/99 to serve as dual-role Paramedic/Firefighters and single-role Paramedics. For more information about becoming a single-role Paramedic, call the EMS Bureau at (202) 673-3360.


[I]Paramedic/Firefighter entry-level examinations are administered by the DC Office of Personnel. Exam dates are scheduled based on the number of qualified applicants. See the Agency Calendar for scheduled dates.


The next Firefighter/EMT entry-level examination will be administered in 2006, on a date yet to be determined. The examination date and application instructions will be posted on the DC Fire/EMS Department website when finalized.



To find out more about careers with the DC Fire/Emergency Medical Services Department, call the DC Fire/EMS Recruiting Officer at (202) 673-3330."

This was taken off of the DC FIRE EMS web page. It has been reported that they have about 60 FF/Paramedic vacancies. They are giving the written exam twice a month. They are giving the physical 4 times in Jan. 2006.

[els2180]

How does the rotation between Engine and Medic unit work?

I have called 3X in like the past three months and everytime the person on the opposite end does not have a clue?

I mean it's a pretty straight forward question...

"Hello my name is Joe Blow, how does the staffing work for a Firefighter/Paramedic, do you spend 50/50 time between both?" :)

And they call these people recruiters...?

I like how it always ends up as...

"Let me transfer you to someone who would know more information",

and then it's...

"Hello DC Fire maintenance shop how can I help you..." :(

Any info would help, I am sick of the same bulls__t, what a waste of

daytime minutes!

[R1SAlum]

How does the rotation between Engine and Medic unit work?

I have called 3X in like the past three months and everytime the person on the opposite end does not have a clue?

I mean it's a pretty straight forward question...

"Hello my name is Joe Blow, how does the staffing work for a Firefighter/Paramedic, do you spend 50/50 time between both?" :)

And they call these people recruiters...?

I like how it always ends up as...

"Let me transfer you to someone who would know more information",

and then it's...

"Hello DC Fire maintenance shop how can I help you..." :(

Any info would help, I am sick of the same bulls__t, what a waste of

daytime minutes!


The name in the first post is a Fire Captain, not a civilian in HR that doesn't know what we do or how to refer you. He is a stand-up man and will try to help. For what it's worth, this is an evolving method of service for us and there just aren't that many Firefighters who happen to be paramedics on the job. Just about all of them are assigned to Paramedic engine companies where they are needed to keep those engines operating at that type of service. They ride medics for some training and overtime and there a handfull that are detailed to medic units.


YOu wanted the help and I hope I helped but I hope your done airing out your frustrations towards your potential department.

[brianandgail]

Has anybody out there taken the test for Paramedic/Firefighter??
Did you get your results?
What stage are people at?

When is the academy rumored to begin?
How many to be in the academy??

[fdnyrules71]

Hey, how exactly does the process work. Of course you take the written, the physical, probably a polygraph and medical. But when you enter the academy do they train you up as an EMT or a paramedic, do you get a choice in which one. Also what is the written like is fire based or just general knowledge how do you guys suggest study for it. Also is the physical a CPAT or their own version. I hear d.c is a pretty fair city as far as hiring goes so I want to give it a good shot. Any help or suggestions from the brothers on the job would be appreciated.
Mike

[brianandgail]

Call the recruiter. Captain Campbell has been a big help. Also try Mable Price at DC office of Personnel (220) 671-1830. That is who will be able to answer some of your questions.

The written test was 100 questions. Started off w/ spelling and grammer. Alot of reading comprehension. Alot of math. Had some questions like:

If a fire is 6.1 miles from your firehouse and the pumper can only go 35mph, what is the fastest time that you will arrive at the fire?

They have been giving the Paramedic Firefighter exam 2x's a month.

Captain Campbell will explain the Physical agilities test.

[brianandgail]

Hey, how exactly does the process work. Of course you take the written, the physical, probably a polygraph and medical. But when you enter the academy do they train you up as an EMT or a paramedic, do you get a choice in which one. Also what is the written like is fire based or just general knowledge how do you guys suggest study for it. Also is the physical a CPAT or their own version. I hear d.c is a pretty fair city as far as hiring goes so I want to give it a good shot. Any help or suggestions from the brothers on the job would be appreciated.
Mike


They are currently hiring for Paramedic Firefighters. The test in the spring of 2006 is for EMT. You already have to be a medic or EMT to apply.

DC has one of the highest levels of fire duty. Very old, traditional department. Cost of living is very high in the immediate area.

[cashton]

DCFD is my dream department. I want to work there so bad I can taste it. I have a question maybe someone can answer. If they are in such need of medics, will they be strict as far as the age requirements? It says on the site that you can't be older than 29 yoa to be hired as a medic/ff. I am 29, 30 in Jan. and will finish up EMT-B in Feb with plans on getting my medic as soon as a class become available which with a little luck will have me being a medic within 2 years of now.

[brianandgail]

The written exam was made by "I/O Solutions".

I would suggest contacting Don McNea Prepatory School to obtain a study guide.

[cashton]

Fairfax County uses the same testing company. I can tell you from experience, DO NOT buy the online study guide that you can download from the site for $15. Waste of money. In fact, anyone want a copy, I can probably email it to you for free. Your better off getting a study guide that covers basic math, spelling and reading comp. That is really all that was on the test I took.

[fdnyrules71]

appreciate all the help guys, was the physical like the CPAT is it a fifty pound vest?

[brianandgail]

For an explanation on the Physical, contact the Captain in recruitment.

[dmfireschool]

Below is a study guide for the Tulsa fire exam that will be given by the test consultant I/O Solutions. This is the same test consultant that gave D/C's last exam and appears to be giving it again.


http://www.cityoftulsa.org/PublicSafety/Fire/Employment/documents/writtenexamstudyguide1.pdf


www.firemanEMTParamedic.com
www.fireprep.com

[cb1776]

Does anybody know how many of the Engine companies are

"Paramedic" engine companies. I think I've only seen one---Engine 16?

[LPFD53]

8 PECs - Engines 9, 10, 16, 18, 22, 25, 30, 31..... some are not always in service as a PEC though.

[CarnyKidFire]

I have a few questions for Firefighter/Paramedics applying to D.C.

First off how do the firefighters manage to live with the cost of living in the area? Is there a residency requirement for them or do they commute in from farther away where it's more affordable?

As far as being a paramedic/firefighter are you pretty much hated and crapped on by the other firefighters for it?

What is the retirement as far as years and percentages?

I have heard D.C. has a lot of inner problems with racism and the morale being low within the department, is this true?

[mikeco5]

I just spoke with the recruiting office and the Lt. said that the upcoming test will be for FF/EMT's but he said there wasn't a concrete date for the test. You have to do a written test and a physical agility test but he said that there is no oral interview? I didn't understand that one. He also said that there is no pre-req of having to be nationally certified or a state certified EMT, you will be trained once hired.

The cost of living in this area is very high, I live in Southern Maryland where its a little bit better but you can still expect 275-400K for a nice house. I'm sure there is no residency requirements because I know a couple of guys down here that are with DCFD.

Hope this helps a little.

[cb1776]

Does anybody know how the Promotions would work if you're a dual role employee?? Could you promote on the fire side or the EMS side in "X" number of years if you're hired?

Also reading from the other posts, I assume if your Engine company is not in service as a ALS engine for the tour, shift, etc... that you would be detailed to a Medic unit.... are the Medic units 2 EMT-P's or are they mixed w/ 1 EMT?

Thanks People.

Good luck to all :)

[LPFD53]

if you're a medic and working that day, your engine is in service as a PEC... Medic units are staffed with 2 Medics, unless there's a shortage, then they'll downgrade to a "basic" unit with 1 + 1 staffing.
Medic = 2 medics
Basic = 1 + 1
Ambulance = 2 EMTs

[brianandgail]

Just wondering if there is any news w/ DC testing. I heard that they are giving the Physical agilities test in January.


Has anyone taken it before?? Any pointers??

[dooley]

I took the test in '03. It is similar to the CPAT, but you get a TON of time to complete it (I think it was 21 minutes or something like that). You do the test wearing a turnout coat, gloves, helmet, and 02 tank. Here is what I remember about the events:
1. You have to open and then close a hydrant. This was very easy.
2. Go to a fire engine and take a ladder off the side and bring it over to the side of a tower. Place it against the tower, then bring it right back. The thing that makes this tricky is that you have to put it back so that the rungs go exactly where they were. I had to reposition it several times, which was annoying.
3. Go to a prepositioned ladder and raise the fly section (just like the CPAT).
4. Drag an uncharged hose about 50 feet (that's a guess as to the distance).
5. Walk back to the tower and pick up a hose pack--it wasn't like a regular one that I had practiced with--this was about 50 lbs according to the proctor. Walk it to the top of the tower, drop it, then pick it up and bring it back down. This was the hardest part.
6. Go to this weird machine that simulates pulling down a ceiling. Similar to the CPAT/FDNY, but the machine was different. 6 up, 6 down, twice.
7. Go through the maze blindfolded. A lot smaller than the CPAT one, but with more obstacles if I'm not mistaken.
8. Dummy drag, but this dummy was pretty light.
Overall, I thought the test was really good, but the time allotted was a bit excessive. All the better for you!
I went all the way through the DCFD process but held up at the background check b/c I'm still active duty Navy. The nice thing is that they are still deferring me until I get out, and I don't have to retake the test even if they have already gotten rid of the list I'm on.
Best of luck!

[brianandgail]

I took the test in '03. It is similar to the CPAT, but you get a TON of time to complete it (I think it was 21 minutes or something like that). You do the test wearing a turnout coat, gloves, helmet, and 02 tank. Here is what I remember about the events:
1. You have to open and then close a hydrant. This was very easy.
2. Go to a fire engine and take a ladder off the side and bring it over to the side of a tower. Place it against the tower, then bring it right back. The thing that makes this tricky is that you have to put it back so that the rungs go exactly where they were. I had to reposition it several times, which was annoying.
3. Go to a prepositioned ladder and raise the fly section (just like the CPAT).
4. Drag an uncharged hose about 50 feet (that's a guess as to the distance).
5. Walk back to the tower and pick up a hose pack--it wasn't like a regular one that I had practiced with--this was about 50 lbs according to the proctor. Walk it to the top of the tower, drop it, then pick it up and bring it back down. This was the hardest part.
6. Go to this weird machine that simulates pulling down a ceiling. Similar to the CPAT/FDNY, but the machine was different. 6 up, 6 down, twice.
7. Go through the maze blindfolded. A lot smaller than the CPAT one, but with more obstacles if I'm not mistaken.
8. Dummy drag, but this dummy was pretty light.
Overall, I thought the test was really good, but the time allotted was a bit excessive. All the better for you!
I went all the way through the DCFD process but held up at the background check b/c I'm still active duty Navy. The nice thing is that they are still deferring me until I get out, and I don't have to retake the test even if they have already gotten rid of the list I'm on.
Best of luck!
Dooley,

Thank you very much for the info. How much longer until you get out of the Navy? Good luck to you.

[brianandgail]

Does anybody know if DCFD arranges affordable houseing for recruits while in the academy?

I have heard that Fairfax VA has some agreement w/ an apartment complex for their recruits.

Thanks.

[residents]

I found this article on the net and thought it may be helpful to this post. Its's kind of old (May 05) but paints a picture of whats going on. Enjoy...K.C.

May 08 2005

D.C. Paramedic Shortage Reaches Dangerous Proportions; One Third of Paramedic Positions Unfilled

WASHINGTON, DC: The District of Columbia is facing a shortage of paramedics that could hamper response times and patient care, especially if the number of vacancies keeps growing, according to a D.C. Council member and people on the force. Last week, five paramedics resigned to take jobs at other area agencies, which offer better pay and benefits, fire department and union officials said. The recent staffing problems have forced supervisors to make paramedics work overtime on a regular basis, the officials said.

The departures pushed the number of vacancies to 57 out of 166 positions for paramedics. As many as 30 more emergency medical workers, including paramedics and less-trained technicians, could leave by July, according to a draft report prepared by the council's Judiciary Committee.

"We have to ensure we have adequate medical attention on these calls," said D.C. Council member Phil Mendelson (D-At Large), chairman of the committee. "I do have a sense that the public is now safe, but that doesn't mean there isn't a problem lurking."

Adrian H. Thompson, chief of the D.C. Fire and Emergency Medical Services Department, said he is concerned about the shortage, adding that the city is taking steps to retain and recruit paramedics.

Salaries for D.C. paramedics range from about $40,000 to $54,000. Fire officials and paramedics said they believe that medical workers were leaving mostly because they could get far better retirement benefits elsewhere. D.C. officials are planning to study ways to boost retirement benefits for paramedics, officials said.

Thompson and other top fire officials said the staffing shortage is not as dire as it appears because response times are improving and the department is evolving in the way it approaches emergencies. The department handles about 110,000 medical calls a year. -- Source: Michael Lutzky, The Washington Post. can be found at: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/06/AR2005050601374.html

[ERRI analysis: As with many cities, the EMS (Paramedic/EMT) units are probably running 70% or more of any given department's emergency responses. And, they often are also doing this with 10-20% of department personnel. Fire based systems, with Chiefs who are not EMT/Paramedic qualified, and have not served time on an ambulance...often do not have an understanding, nor are they sympathetic to the plight of these overworked EMS personnel.
Finally, as we have pointed out in other recent articles...fire-based EMS division's and paramedic/EMT personnel are too often paid less than their firefighter counterparts. ERRI was an early and vocal advocate of fire-based EMS systems, but we find that we will not be able to sustain our support for this model unless funding for equipment, training, security, pay, promotion, and benefits for EMS personnel is immediately improved. This is a issue that is not going to go away...and it must be addressed A.S.A.P. by the real fire service leaders of this country.]

[LPFD53]

DC doesn't provide housing for recruits... although there's not a residency requirement anymore, it can make for a long drive to the academy everyday for 3 months... There are plenty of county firehouses in MD and VA that will probably allow you to live-in with some provisions...

[brianandgail]

Hi,

Has anybody taken the physical agility test recently?

Any word on academy start date, or size??

Thanks

[Whaler]

I have a question about the application process. The last time they gave a test I got an application ahead of time from the HR. The job announcement opened on a Saturday, so HR told me to have my application in by the Friday prior to the Saturday job opening.
I sent my application delivery confirmation so I know they got it. When I got a letter from HR they said that my mailed application couldn't be considered because they had hit the maximum amount of applicants by accepting those who applied in person that Saturday (they had camped out for days I was told) ahead of mailed applicants. So even though they got my application before the announcement opened they didn't consider it until all the "in person" apps were accepted that Saturday.

Any idea if this would happen again????

[brianandgail]

WHALER,

Did you apply for paramedic firefighter or EMT firefighter?

[Whaler]

WHALER,

Did you apply for paramedic firefighter or EMT firefighter?

The Firefighter/EMT Job

[dooley]

I didn't camp out for days ahead of time (got there about half an hour early), but I think I was one of the last apps that they took that Saturday morning. I went to a firehouse that was kind of in the "hood," so there weren't as many people there as if I had gone to the one in Georgetown or somewhere like that. I would show up a few hours early--if the process is the same as last time, you need to do it in person.
Brianandgail--I get out of the Navy in March.
Best of luck.

[brianandgail]

Just took the physical ability test.

1st event- aerial ladder climb. 60* 50ft.
2nd event- open and close a hydrant (17 turns each.)
3rd event- grab 12ft roof ladder off of Engine, carry it to the drill tower, and return it to the engine.

4th Event- raise fly of 30ft ext ladder that is mounted to the drill tower. (Like CPAT)

5th event- advance 100ft of 1.5" hose.


6th event- carry high rise kit up 6 flights of drill tower and back down.

7th event- simulate ceiling pull. (similar to CPAT)

8th event- put on blacked out mask, manuever through maze.

9th event- drag dummy 50 ft.

DC office of personnel said that the next written exam will be May 20th. They said to keep an eye on their web site. It will be updated in February.
They said that they will only accept the first 1500 applications.


Does anyone have any info as to when the academy will start?
I was told that one class may start today. 1/23/06.

[dmfireschool]

DC office of personnel said that the next written exam will be May 20th. They said to keep an eye on their web site. It will be updated in February.
They said that they will only accept the first 1500 applications.


If this is true I would plan on staying overnight the day before applications are taken.


www.fireprep.com

[capcityffyter]

Good luck to all of you. Yes our cost of living is high but our salary is excellent for the area and with 24-72 shifts you can live far enough away, we are a old school traditional department with extremely agressive interior operations. While our fires are not what they were there is still plenty of fire duty, also we have recently taken over the ambulances so be prepared to ride them, and they are all busy, however it is a great place to work our morale is a bit low which is due to the ever changing ems plan however it will be corrected eventually and become part of the job.

[dmfireschool]

We just got off the phone with recruitment(202-673-3330) and they informed us that applications will be given out the first weekend in February and continue through the month. Applications will accepted on one day only sometime in March.

This is NOT in stone but appears to be close to how it will be done. They expect 4,000 people to take out applications with only 1500 accepted.

Keep checking the website below for the most updated exam info.

http://fems.dc.gov/fems/cwp/view,a,3,q,525752,femsNav,|315 07|.asp



Don McNea Fire School will be conducting preparatory classes or developing an exam prep package for the 2006 Washington D/C fire exam. Go to www.fireprep.com and enter your e-mail address for our newsletter to keep you updated. Good luck !!

[brianandgail]

I was told that a recruit class has started on January 23rd. Anybody have any info about it?

[DCFDCAR5]

Oh boy, I just found this thread. Sorry I couldn't help out sooner. For those of you applying for the Firefighter/Paramedic position, don't give up hope. Call 202-673-3330 every once in a while if you haven't heard anything. If you get hired as a FF/P, you will go thru the fire academy the same as a FF/EMT, but will at some point go thru field evaluations on a medic unit. Once cleared to practice, you will be likely assigned to a Paramedic Engine Company. If there are no PEC vacancies when you get out of the academy, you will be assigned to a regular engine or truck, then detailed out or transferred when a vacancy arises. You will also be required to complete the same 1 year probation requirements as any other firefighter. FF/Ps are not assigned to transport units at this time. The only time they are on transport units is when they go to the hospital with a BLS unit, get evaluated, or work overtime,etc.

For those of you that want to apply for the Firefighter/EMT position, the next test is scheduled for 5/20/06. You must first get an application (DC form 2000) starting 2/6/06. Then, with your completed application, report to one of nine locations in DC AS EARLY AS PHYSICALLY POSSIBLE on 3/25/06 but no later than 10:00 so you can stand in line and turn it in. Do not joke around with this part. They will only accept 1500 applications. If you want the J-O-B, work harder then the guy next to you the whole way thru the process. The official info should be on www.fems.dc.gov soon.

I do not work for the personnel office, they have the final say. Info subject to change when the wind blows.
Also, the class that started 1/23/06 was for about 6 or so FF/Ps.

[fdnyrules71]

Thanks for the info, where do you go to get the initial applications can I download it. Also, can you elaborate on the part of physically possible. Should I arrive at like 5o'clock in the morning and stand in line? If you can show up at nine locations how will they know when they have 1500 applications.

[DCFDCAR5]

You should arrive as early as circumstances allow. Pretend its the new Harry Potter movie and sleep outside in a tent if you have to. They will only accept 223 applications at each location, so if you find yourself #224 in line, go somewhere else. You should be able to download an application and announcement from www.dcop.dc.gov

[DCFDCAR5]

http://fems.dc.gov/fems/cwp/view,a,3,q,634833.asp

[chriswv3]

is the dc2000 application the right one online to download?

[mikeco5]

I was wondering the same thing, is that the correct form? Its the only application that I could find on the human resources page. There was a section where you could fill out the applicaiton online, but that doesn't matter because you need to turn it in in-person.

[DCFDCAR5]

DC2000 is the correct application. I recommend you download and complete it at home, that way you can make sure you filled it out correctly the first time. Bring your completed DC2000 with you to the drop off point at the proper time. It will make your day go much faster. Even if you don't turn in the one you downloaded, you can use it as a reference for filling out another one.

[Surfstud3]

Hey guys,

2 questions:

Do we need to fill out the "Ranking Factors" part of the application?

Do we need to have a supplemental resume? In the announcement there was mentioning of a resume....

Thanks

[DCFDCAR5]

"Do we need to fill out the "Ranking Factors" part of the application?

Do we need to have a supplemental resume? In the announcement there was mentioning of a resume...."

No, to both questions.

For more information, please call the DC Fire/EMS Recruiting Officer at (202) 673-3330.

[KeasbeyFD]

I don't get it. They say that they are taking 1500 applications. Then they say that they are taking 223 in 9 locations. However, 223 x 9 = 2007. So how many are they taking? 1500 or 2007?

[DCFDCAR5]

Read the announcement people.
A maximum of 2,007 applications will be accepted; however, only the first 1,500 qualified applicants will be invited to take the written examination.
https://erecruit.pshcm.asmp.dc.gov/psp/hrprd/EMPLOYEE/HRMS/c/ROLE_APPLICANT.ER_APPLICANT_HO ME.GBL?NAVSTACK=Clear go to view job postings, select firefighter/emt.

[DennisTheMenace]

Damn age discrimination!

[DCFDCAR5]

Damn age discrimination!

US CODE: Title 29
§ 623. Prohibition of age discrimination
(j) Employment as firefighter or law enforcement officer
It shall not be unlawful for an employer which is a State, a political subdivision of a State, an agency or instrumentality of a State or a political subdivision of a State, or an interstate agency to fail or refuse to hire or to discharge any individual because of such individual’s age if such action is taken—
(1) with respect to the employment of an individual as a firefighter or as a law enforcement officer, the employer has complied with section 3(d)(2) of the Age Discrimination in Employment Amendments of 1996 [2] if the individual was discharged after the date described in such section, and the individual has attained—
(A) the age of hiring or retirement, respectively, in effect under applicable State or local law on March 3, 1983; or
(B)
(i) if the individual was not hired, the age of hiring in effect on the date of such failure or refusal to hire under applicable State or local law enacted after September 30, 1996; or
(ii) if applicable State or local law was enacted after September 30, 1996, and the individual was discharged, the higher of—
(I) the age of retirement in effect on the date of such discharge under such law; and
(II) age 55; and
(2) pursuant to a bona fide hiring or retirement plan that is not a subterfuge to evade the purposes of this chapter.

[DennisTheMenace]

US CODE: Title 29
§ 623. Prohibition of age discrimination
(j) Employment as firefighter or law enforcement officer
It shall not be unlawful for an employer which is a State, a political subdivision of a State, an agency or instrumentality of a State or a political subdivision of a State, or an interstate agency to fail or refuse to hire or to discharge any individual because of such individual’s age if such action is taken—
(1) with respect to the employment of an individual as a firefighter or as a law enforcement officer, the employer has complied with section 3(d)(2) of the Age Discrimination in Employment Amendments of 1996 [2] if the individual was discharged after the date described in such section, and the individual has attained—
(A) the age of hiring or retirement, respectively, in effect under applicable State or local law on March 3, 1983; or
(B)
(i) if the individual was not hired, the age of hiring in effect on the date of such failure or refusal to hire under applicable State or local law enacted after September 30, 1996; or
(ii) if applicable State or local law was enacted after September 30, 1996, and the individual was discharged, the higher of—
(I) the age of retirement in effect on the date of such discharge under such law; and
(II) age 55; and
(2) pursuant to a bona fide hiring or retirement plan that is not a subterfuge to evade the purposes of this chapter.Just because it is legal does not mean it is fair. :mad: ;) :D

[HenryChan]

Are you serious about the possibility of 4,000 applications? I may have to purchase a tent for Friday night...

[R1SAlum]

Dennis

You can come in as a civilian Paramedic or IP and lateral over to Firefighting. It's already been done by some. Fossil. ;)

[DennisTheMenace]

Dennis

You can come in as a civilian Paramedic or IP and lateral over to Firefighting. It's already been done by some. Fossil. ;)But I hate blood! :(
;)

[DCFDCAR5]

If you are reading this message, you should be getting off the computer and on your way with your tent and sleeping bag to DC right now. Bring warm clothes and some food. Hope your bladder doesn't give out at the wrong time, and good luck to all.

[cb1776]

I understand that tomorrow is a one shot deal for the FF/EMT-B job application period..

How long is the department going to recruit for the FF/Paramedic job?

Is it going to stay "open recruitment" for the time being until it's filled?

[Truckie42]

On Saturday D/C accepted apps. I don't know about anyone else, but my experience was definetly eye opening. I drove down from PA and after realizing I wasn't in Amish Country any more, I happened along the Rec center at 10th & G. There were about 75-80 people in line, not counting the ones who were in their cars while their buddies held their spot. It was about 6 a.m. when I got there. After about 3 hours the line seemed like it had grown to about 150. As 10 fast approached the natives started getting restless and tensions did build. When they finally opened the doors they took 1 person in at a time. It took about 2-3 minutes per person and then next in line to the door. Well by about 12 with only a handful of people through the door tensions got hot. People actually had the LACK of integrity or respect for others and actually line jumped and cut in front of others. Words flew and the person in charge of things had to intervine. The line was a disorganized mob at best and when the D.C. Staff asked for people to turn the line around to move it back to make space top make it a single file line, people had the nerve to curse him out. They actually were going to close the place down! These are the same people who expect to go to the Academy? I often wonder if some people who apply for positions in Fire/EMS, and Police work really realize what all is really expected of them.. Well in the end cooler heads prevailed and we all ghot through. I finally got my app dropped off at 2:30 p.m. at number 135. Good luck to all who did get your apps in. Oh yeah thanks to the 2 girls 1 from D.C. and the other from NY, who were thinking and ordered Domino's to deliver!!!!!!

[Shane19]

Does anyone know how hard the DC fire academy is? I'm active duty Air Force and I don't want to seperate from the Air Force if my chance of failing out of the academy is very high? How many recruit classes do they have per year? What is the average class size?

[LPFD53]

It's not a bad (tough-wise) academy, they'll give you a hard time and stuff, but it would be hard to fail out unless you quit. Otherwise, they'll walk you through it and make sure you pass... because trust me, there have been some real POS's that have made it through, even without completing some of the PT... it's up to you, but I think you'd make it w/o a problem.

[mikeco5]

I just received my papers in the mail about being accepted for the written exam on May 20th. Just wondering if anyone knows how long before another recruit class will held.......on the DCFD website they have a story about one of the classes running on the Mall, so to me, if they already have one class going on now, it will probably be a while before another class is held.

[Shane19]

I read the same story you did. From what I've read throughout the forums.....I've heard that DC only accepts applications every two years, those people who make it through the entire process is sent to the academy over the following 2 years. So, there is a possiblity that if you make it through you may not see the academy for up to 2 years.

I think this sucks because I'm on active duty and I don't want to seperate from the military and be unemployeed for a year before I get in the academy.

I have a quick question to......I read the article about the recruits running 8 miles to the Washington National Mall...How often do they do something like that? I'm in great shape, but 8 miles is a long way.......Am I the only one concerned about this?
What is the hardest physical aspect of the academy? Cam someone give me some insight on what goes on there outside of the classroom?

[LPFD53]

Dude, the academy isn't hard, especially if you're active duty military. You'd probably get to be a class leader if you're loud and know cadences. You only do a long run at the end of the academy, and it's at the slowest person's pace, so for you it might not even be a "run", but more of a jog. We can't tell you everything that the academy is all about, I'm 100% sure it's easier than bootcamp, though I've never been through bootcamp. The hardest thing you will do is run up the 6 story tower with a 2.5" rack, breathing air, multiple times. Other than that, PT for an hour or 2, shower up, go to classroom, sweep & mop floors, wax the floors when the instructors are really pressed for stuff to do. After a few weeks of classroom stuff, they start to integrate drills and outside stuff.
I don't think you'd have to quit your AF position right away. Take the test, see how you do, if you're up there in list #, then start thinking about it. If you're below 200, then you've got a while. Class sizes are around 20-30 people, but with all the "paramedic" **** going on, who knows!

[brianandgail]

LPFD 53, are you a DC recruit now? If so, when did you guys start?

Thanks,
Brian

[Shane19]

Thanks for the information.

[dcfd25]

Mikeco5,
There are actually 4 Recruit Classes going on at Training School right now. Classes are run on an as-needed basis. The last test was in 2003 and the test before that was in 1998 the test before that one was used for about 10 years or so that means you need to study your butt off and score high on the test so you can be on top of the list. With all the Paramedic F/F's they are hiring it's hard to tell how many more "Real Firemen" (sorry guys had to throw that in) will be hired. If it take's two years or so to come on-board believe me it is well worth it!!!

[dcfd25]

LPFD 53, are you a DC recruit now? If so, when did you guys start?

Thanks,
Brian
Brian,
Stop reading and posting on this forum and get your blue-book done!

[mikeco5]

DCFD25,

Thanks for the info. I already have the Don Mcnea Washington DC Preparatory Gold Package, and am currently studying. How much does the written score actually weight in the hiring process. As I understand it, the oral interview can make-up about 30-40% of the criteria in which you are hired. Meaning that if I score a 100% on the written but totally bomb the oral's then I may not get hired, do you have any insight on this? As far as being a paramedic, Iam currently a Maryland State certified EMT-B and dont have 100% objection to becoming a paramedic (as long as they train me).

One more question, I have a bachelors degree from UMUC in a non-fire related subject will they factor this into my total score, does it give me an edge?

Thanks alot

Mike

[R1SAlum]

There is no interview for this job other than an exam with the shrink, both written and oral.
The agility is pass/fail.
The written means everything.

[dcfd25]

mikeco5,

The written test is it!!!! If you score the highest on the test then you will be the first person called, so STUDY, STUDY, STUDY.

No oral exam, no prior F/F classes needed, and collage only helps when you are trying to get promoted. People this is an "ENTRY LEVEL POSITION"

They will train you as a medic after you get hired if that's what you want. If you want to come in the backdoor as a Medic F/F you must be nationaly certified already, and you have to stay a medic for your entire career!

[dcfd25]

college, sorry I just caught the typo.

[mikeco5]

They will train you as a medic after you get hired if that's what you want.

Not saying that I WANT to become a medic, but from the rumors that having been floating around about all new FF's having to become Paramedics, new hires may have no choice.

[Shane19]

What study material do you guys recommend? Any study guides you guys recommend?

[dmfireschool]

Go to the link below for Washington DC exam prep. Good luck !!

http://www.fireprep.com/washington__dc_firefighter_exa .html


www.fireprep.com
1-800-989-FIRE

[dcfd25]

mikeco5,

DCFD can not make anybody become a medic, you applied for F/F EMT, and EMT is all you need. Alot of the guys on the job here have never even taken an EMT Class.

Shane19,

When I was studying for the test, I used the "F/F Exam Preparation Book" it's only $15.00 from www.firebooks.com, they also have a book thats full of practice tests for $20.00 or so. I have never seen the book that DM-FIRE-SCHOOL is selling but I Know they were here on app. day 3/25 pushing thier products at the Rec. Centers.

[mikeco5]

Ive got the Don Mcnea package listed on the website above, fireprep.com. I also have the Firefighter Exam: The Complete Preparation. They seem to both have good study questions. I think the only way to prepare yourself is to take the practice tests they give, the other tips listed in these books seem like common knowledge, ie. eliminate wrong answers, don't spend to much time on any single question, etc..

[dcfd25]

The test, from what I can remember, was mostly reading comprehension. You read a long ass story & answer a question. No F/F questions, just general knowledge (reading, math, problem solving)

[mikeco5]

How long before you get the results for the written, or do they just tell you if you passed or failed?

[dcfd25]

You get your scores back in a couple of weeks. It is not pass/fail, you are scored 0%-100% like in school. You get 5 extra points for military and 5 points if you live in DC for a grand total of 110%

[LPFD53]

All you need is one of the Barron's or Arco books to study from. Study it well, do all the practice tests, and you'll be fine. They are about $10-15 each. You don't need any fancy "Don McNea" Prep stuff... it's a general knowledge test, if you passed high school, you should be fine. College - even better. Just read up on some reading comp., math, and learn how to do memory-type questions - that's for about any civil-service type fire test you will take.

[DCFDCAR5]

Shane19: If you scored well on your ASVAB, you will likely do the same on the DC test.

dcfd25: What is the difference between a "Real fireman" and Paramedic/FF? Some of us came in the old-fashioned way, you know. We might be typing on another computer in the same firehouse, at the same time as you... :cool:

Oh by the way, DC is not likely to train anyone as an EMT-P in the near future. All the upgrade classes since 2004 have been EMT-I/99.

[Shane19]

Guys, thanks for all the info.I'm so happy I found this forum, it's been very helpful.
I downloaded the Don McNae fire study guide and was very dissapointed. I feel like I wasted $39.95. If it had cost $15, I wouldn't be complaining. I thought there was going to be some specific info about D/C firefighter exam, but there wasn't. I thought it would be organized well, but it wasn't. It looked as if they scaned a bunch of typed pages and threw it together. The graphics were even very differcult to read. Don't get me wrong the info is heplful if it's all you have but, it's really not worth the $40 for the Gold package. I should have just stuck with the Arco study material you can get online for free . Arco offers way more info than the McNae study guide. 165 pages, vs 430 pages .And over 600 questions with explanations to all the answers....so you can get an understanding to why it's the correct answer.

If anyone interested in the Arco study material shoot me an email and I will send you the link.

bronzegoddess19@yahoo.com

[dcfd25]

dcfdcar5,

dcfd25: What is the difference between a "Real fireman" and Paramedic/FF? Some of us came in the old-fashioned way, you know. We might be typing on another computer in the same firehouse, at the same time as you...

1."Real firemen/Paramedic FF" That was just a joke, sorry if I offended you.


"Oh by the way, DC is not likely to train anyone as an EMT-P in the near future. All the upgrade classes since 2004 have been EMT-I/99."

2.Who cares!!!

[DCFDCAR5]

dcfd25:
""Oh by the way, DC is not likely to train anyone as an EMT-P in the near future. All the upgrade classes since 2004 have been EMT-I/99."

2.Who cares!!!"
I think people like mikeco5 and others who want jobs might care:

Not saying that I WANT to become a medic, but from the rumors that having been floating around about all new FF's having to become Paramedics, new hires may have no choice.

[berry116]

Anyone know how many they are trying to hire from this test?

[Shane19]

I heard they were trying to a little over a hunderd, but don't quote me on that.

[Firemonkey99]

I heard they were trying to a little over a hunderd, but don't quote me on that. Sorry, I had to be a jerk

[berry116]

Does anybody have an idea of what they do in DC for the background check...I heard about the blue book but don't really know anything else. Any info would be appreciated.

[Shane19]

Does anyone know how long it takes to get the results from the exam the DCFD gave on the 20th of May.

[KeasbeyFD]

4-6 weeks... so they say

[Shane19]

Do they send letters to everyone that tested or does the high scoring people get responses?

[KeasbeyFD]

So does anyone have a clue on how long it takes to get our results? They were saying 4-6 weeks, but considering that yesterday was 6 weeks I guess it wasn't true. Anybody??? I just want to relieve some anxiety.

[mikeco5]

I figured the results wouldn't be in the timeframe they indicated especially judging by the way the application turn in and actual testing was coordinated. When I took the test for PG, they said test results would be given in 14 days, 3 weeks later I got a call for my background interview without ever getting test results? We'll see how much longer it takes DC, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

[mikeco5]

I spoke with DC personel today and she indicated it would be an additional 5 weeks before the test results are sent out. She said they weren't told why either. ???????

[KeasbeyFD]

OMG, what else is new? I can't beleive you got through to them. I call about 3 times a day and noone ever answers. Anyway... Did they say that it was an additional five weeks from the 4-6 weeks or an additional 5 weeks from when you called?

[mikeco5]

See said that it originally was 6 weeks- a week ago, which now caluclates to 5 weeks.

[LPFD53]

anyone get calls scheduling their agility tests yet?

[mikeco5]

Odd that this happened right after I talked to personnel about getting test results but- Yes. I got a call this morning to take my PAT on Aug. 5th.

[Firemonkey99]

Well it's good to see something is going on. Hey Mike, do you have veteran's preference?

[mikeco5]

No I dont have Vet preference. Personally, after taking the test I can remember thinking that if I got any lower then a 90% on that test then I would be disappointed. Apparently I passed. I told the guy on the phone that I hadnt received any test results yet and he wasn't suprised but at the same time he couldnt give me my test results over the phone. Anybody else get a call? Im trying to figure out how they did this, are they calling by last name or are they going by the highest test scores first- does anyone have a clue on how this process is prioritized?

[LPFD53]

it's gotta go by ranking... so you must have done well... just don't worry about it, but make sure you're in shape - you've only got a week...

[mikeco5]

LPFD: Did you get a call for the PAT as well?

[berry116]

eanie meanie miny moe??

[KeasbeyFD]

eanie meanie miny moe??

Ha ha ha!

Well from what I've researched they create a hiring register off of the written test results. Then they put people through the rest of the hiring process as needed off of that list. I'm just happy to know that someone got a call for the PAT. At least we know things are starting to move. I'm guessing mikeco just got a considerably high score. Hopefully they call me soon! :D The eanie meanie miny moe wouldn't suprise me either though.

[KeasbeyFD]

Oh, BTW... the Master the Fire Exam book by Arco has a review of the Washignton DC PAT. It explains the whole thing in detail. The hardest part looks like the stair climb. 6 floors (up and down) with 95lbs of extra weight.

[KeasbeyFD]

Wow.... About 30 seconds after my last post my phone rang. PAT on Aug 13th!!!!!!! The guy I spoke to said that they asked for the top 200 names from the DCOP and I probably did really well because they just started calling people this week.

[Firemedic515]

Wow.... About 30 seconds after my last post my phone rang. PAT on Aug 13th!!!!!!! The guy I spoke to said that they asked for the top 200 names from the DCOP and I probably did really well because they just started calling people this week.

That's funny. How strange? Congrats and good luck.

[mikeco5]

Keasbey: Do you know what other activites are involved in the PAT? Dummy drag, ceiling pull, etc......

And does anyone have an idea on when the first training academy class will begin?

[KeasbeyFD]

Mike,

You'll love me for this one:

http://www.petersons.com/airforce/pdfsecure/frame.asp?print=yes&pdftype=firefighter&pageGroup=Firefighter&pageType=PDF+-+Master+the+Firefighter+Exam&sponsor=8

Check page 60 in the book (pg. 70 of 432 in Acrobat)

Good luck

About the training class... I would think toward the end of the year. A friend of mine knew someone who was placed in the 50's during the last test and he was in the academy within 4-5 months of the test date. And from what I got from talking to the guy today was that we were the first couple of people that they called (more than likely top 50). We'll have to wait those 5 weeks to find out for sure though.

After the PAT is the background investigation, which could take a couple weeks. I here talk about this "blue book" that you fill out, and something about going to the FBI bldg. Then an interview with a shrink. I'm not positive about the shrink thing, but I am almost sure that there isn't a traditional oral interview. This is all stuff that I got from research online and with some friends of friends, so don't quote me on anything.

[DCHTC77]

If they started calling people this week and it's already Friday, is it safe to assume they have already gone through the list of 200 candidates? Also, does the PAT mean there is a class coming out of the 200 candidates being called?

[Firemonkey99]

DCHTC: I don't know about that. I would assume that there are recruit classes going on Monday through Friday and that's why the PAT's are on Saturday and Sunday. Mike goes on August 5 (Next weekend)You figure that it takes about 30 mins per candidate. If it is an 8 hour day then they can do about 16 a day. So thats 32 next weekend and another 32 the weekend after.

[DCHTC77]

I would assume the 200 people being called are being scheduled for the PAT. I don't see why they would drag out the process and only call 30 or so people a week. Any class that may start will not have 200 candidates.

I look at this as they have selected 200 potential candidates. First they contact them and schedule a PAT exam, if they pass that they move on to the next step in the process. As each stage passes candidates get filtered out. Why would the Department only call 30 a week to schedule them? Unless they want to catch the people off guard so they don't have much time to train for the PAT?

Trust me, I hope I'm wrong. After the exam I thought I did very well. But, 200 people out of the - what - 2000 who took it...you could have 500 people with scores between 90% to 100%.

[mikeco5]

Don't they have more than 1 canidate going through the CPAT at the same time?

It looks like it is a 50lb vest according to the document. If you get 10 minutes to do the entire course and 3 minutes are used on the stair stepper, then you have 1 minute for each of the other exercises.

I think if you got a call then you are in pretty good shape. I have 3 friends that tested also and none of them had gotten a call as of yesterday.

[KeasbeyFD]

I don't know if you know this already, but the DC PAT is not a CPAT

[mikeco5]

I read the attachment that you posted earlier but what is different from the CPAT and what DC is going to administer? Tougher or Eaiser?

[KeasbeyFD]

The attachment has a step-by-step decription of the PAT that is specific to DC. It's on page 60. It's titled "District of Coumbia Fire and Emergency Medical Services Department Firefighter Physical Ability Test."

[mikeco5]

Thanks for the info, Im going to try and get some training in before my test Saturday

[DCFDCAR5]

KeasbeyFD: There is no oral board. The psych interview is AFTER a 600+/- question psych written test has been assessed.

[mikeco5]

Is there a poly?

[R1SAlum]

No poly.....just don't have any felonies or have any past sex with farm animals!! ;) Good luck to all you guys.

[Firemonkey99]

No poly.....just don't have any felonies or have any past sex with farm animals!! ;) Good luck to all you guys.

Ha ha ha!!! What about girls that look like farm animals??? Hey do any of you guys know how many people they put through the PAT a day?

[mikeco5]

http://emsresponder.com/article/article.jsp?siteSection=1&id=3820

I guess this means the Dept. won't have any money for more academy classes any time soon

[DCFDCAR5]

Overtime restrictions have no effect on recruit classes. You don't have to back fill a position that doesn't exist. A class started last week.

[mikeco5]

I can't help but ask again, but is this going to affect hiring/training classes?

http://cms.firehouse.com/content/article/article.jsp?sectionId=46&id=50489

[DCFDCAR5]

Fire companies do not teach at the academy.

[millerjy]

Hey all,
I got contacted a week ago for the PAT on the 5th. They said they were going to mail me information about it. I haven’t received anything in the mail yet and I leave tomorrow to drive down to DC. Of course the recruitment office closed at 3pm so I didn’t try calling them yet. I was hoping someone out there has a little better info for me like time and place to start with. Any help would be great.

[mikeco5]

Im in the same boat. Ive got the test on the 5th and still havent received the information they were supposed to send. I plan on calling during the day tomorrow if its not here by today. I did however get my test results in the mail.

[millerjy]

Just talked to Cpt Campbell. I guess there was some hangup at the post office getting the stuff out. He told me to make sure I brought an ID and I could get in.

[Shane19]

Finally! I got my scores in the mail yesterday. I received an 89.1 on the written exam. Does anyone know if that is based on a 100 point scale. The letter also states that my numerical ranking is 244. Does this mean that out of all 2000 people that took the exam that I had the 244th highest score?

I called the # on the bottom of the letter, but the lady that answered wasn't very helpful. But she did say something she said she was not suppose to. She mentioned the "top 400" Not sure what that means though. She also said I was lucky to have received a letter. Has anyone else received a letter? If you have.....What is your score and what is your numerical ranking. I'm trying to get an idea of were I stand.

[LPFD53]

of the people that passed the test... you are the 244th highest... not bad really at all. You'll move up (probably another 40-50 spots) after people fail the PAT... probably looking at another 8 months to a year to get in a class...

[DCFDCAR5]

Hey all,
I got contacted a week ago for the PAT on the 5th. They said they were going to mail me information about it. I haven’t received anything in the mail yet and I leave tomorrow to drive down to DC. Of course the recruitment office closed at 3pm so I didn’t try calling them yet. I was hoping someone out there has a little better info for me like time and place to start with. Any help would be great.

Can't help you on the time, but the location for the PAT will be: 4600 Shepherd Parkway SW, Washington, DC 20032

[mikeco5]

I just got a call from the FD also talking about the mix up at the post office. The person I talked to said they expect 2 classes to start beginning in January

[Truckie42]

OK, got my results today, didn't do as well as I had hoped but within top 360(359th). Would it be feasible to think I might hear something in teh next year? Thanks and Congrats to all those who passed and are moving on!!!
!

[KeasbeyFD]

Got my results today too... Number 18! 97.1462...

Mikeco & Millerjy: What did you guys place?

[Shane19]

Thats a great score. Have you been called to take the CPAT yet?

[mikeco5]

I got a 96.19%

Good enough for number 28

[KeasbeyFD]

Shane: Yeah, I go on the 13th to take the PAT.

Mike: Good luck on your PAT this Saturday. I hope you do well!!! It's gunna be hot, especially with a turnout coat on, so make sure you pace yourself. Use all available time if you have too. I'm pretty sure it's pass/fail so a good time shouldn't be that important. If all goes well, we'll be in the same class.

[Shane19]

Howmany students do they normally have per class? How long is the academy?

[mikeco5]

Thanks Keasbey. Im anxious to get the test done.

Shane: I think they start with around 25-30 people in a class and go for close to 20 weeks.

DCFDCAR5 may be able to answer this better

[MaxD240808]

The PAT is very easy. You have all the time in the world. I finished around 8 minutes and they allow somewhere around 18 minutes to finish.

[Shane19]

MAX: When did you take the PAT? What exactly did you have to do?

[millerjy]

KeasbeyFD Got my results today too... Number 18! 97.1462...
Mikeco & Millerjy: What did you guys place?

Yeah I just got my results... 97.1429 19th.. Damn is all I got to say.

There was a previous post that had a link to what is on the PAT


Does anyone know if the PAT is just a pass/fail or does it factor in your ranking?

[DCFDCAR5]

Howmany students do they normally have per class? How long is the academy?

It would be about 20-30 per class. The academy duration can vary depending on the experience level of the class. If everyone is a FFII, it might be less than 16 weeks.

[KeasbeyFD]

Mikeco and millerjy: How did it go yesterday?

[mikeco5]

I thought the entire thing went pretty well. The tower climb with hose pack took the wind out of me but I still finished in 9 minutes. Right now my legs are very sore, its probably time to really start getting ready for an academy. Talking with the Ast.Chief when he walked me out, the national standard for this test is basically 10mins but since this is entry level they have to allow 22. I left pretty early, did anyone fail the test?

[millerjy]

Yeah when I left I dont think anyone had failed yet. It is pretty hard to fail since you do have 22 mins. I walked the whole thing took a nice break at the top of the tower. Good luck to everyone else that is going to take in the next few weeks

The thing that blows is having to go back down so soon for me. I have to travel from Ohio and just to get the blue book this week. But the faster I get it in the sooner I will know.

Does anyone know how it works if you are fully certified? I know its an abbreviated academy but do you have to wait until there is enough people to take it to put in on.

[R1SAlum]

Millerjy

Allow pm's and message me. I'm on the job.

[KeasbeyFD]

Quick question for those of you who took the PAT last weekend. My paper says to be at the training academy at 7am. What time should it be over? I want to know if I can stay checked in to my hotel so I can shower up afterwards. Thanks!

[DCFDCAR5]

You will not be done by check out time. If you ARE done, you wont want to go home so soon. zzz :)

[millerjy]

Quick question for those of you who took the PAT last weekend. My paper says to be at the training academy at 7am. What time should it be over? I want to know if I can stay checked in to my hotel so I can shower up afterwards. Thanks!

Its all about what order you sign in. We didnt start until 930 I think I was number 12 to sign in and didnt get out until almost 1. Like 4 maybe 5 people per hour.

[mikeco5]

Millerjy: Did you go for your background "orientation" yet? I go tomorrow, just wondering what to expect.

[millerjy]

Millerjy: Did you go for your background "orientation" yet? I go tomorrow, just wondering what to expect.

If I would of known they were going to do it so soon after I could of taken off work but I had to go back to OH. Ill be back down Thurs for it. No clue what its going to entail

[KeasbeyFD]

Well it's good to know that things are moving faster now. Does anyone know when this list is going to be active for hiring?

[DCFDCAR5]

Your orientation is going to explain how to fill out the blue book, and where to go for background checks.

[kickphatdan]

Hey guys,I did fairly well on my written and I take my PAT on sunday, thanks for all the info it's been a big help. I got a couple questions maybe you all can help out. I've heard that DC are pretty good with deferment, I'm about to go into my last year for my bachelors degree should be done in april, any word on later classes? or if not You think they willl hold my spot? When I talked to the capt on the phone he seemed to be fine with it.
thanks guys

[LPFD53]

when you get the letter to report to 1923 Vermont Ave, NW (Grimke School) plan on hopping on the Metro to go to 300 Indiana Ave, NW (DC Courthouse), 301 C St, NW (DC DMV), and 119 D St, NE (Capitol Police) because you want to get all that stuff done ASAP...

[kickphatdan]

Hey guys I went through orientation best bet take the metro into dc, the grimske school is across from the u street/ african american memorial on the green line. You do paperwork for about an hour, then head to 301 indiana ave (shoot across the metro to archives) get backgrounds and dmv checks. Took me about 4-5 hours total. let me know if you have any other questions

[mikeco5]

Anyone heard about the psych yet? Scheduled?

[KeasbeyFD]

They said it should be next week or the week after. A bunch of FBI background checks were done yesterday. The suitablility board reviews them next, which only takes a day. After that you're ready for the psych. They also said that classes start in October.

[mikeco5]

Got my call today for the psych and medical exam

Also, does anyone know if you run every single day at the academy?

[DCFDCAR5]

You will run every day they tell you to. Probably every day that ends in Y, except Saturday & Sunday.

[LPFD53]

yeah you run pretty much every day... if you're not running, you're doing other stuff like running the tower and getting a good workout.

[KeasbeyFD]

Does anyone know what kind of psych this is? I know it's about 600 questions, but do you have to draw a house, tree, etc? Also, what is the psych interview like? Thanks

[LPFD53]

It's alot of the same questions asked over and over again with slightly different wording... such as "I'd rather be a librarian than a pro wrestler" yes or no... then they'll ask like "I'd rather work in a quiet environment by myself" yes or no... just make sure you answer them all the same way and you'll be fine. I forget, but I think the psych interview is just a quick review of any of your answers that got "flagged".

[jayzian]

thank god for you guys!!! I have my CPAT tomorrow and the packet i got sent was trashed by my darling wife in one of her daily forays into cleaning. I had to do some websearching but i finally found this thread on google which told me which address to go to. Whew! i would have felt like a fool showing up at Fire HQ, lol. Thank heavens for this board and this thread!!!!

[OptionsOpen]

Heads up for everyone in the process:

180 positions have been allocated for this budget year per the training chief. These positions will fill up 6 classes of 30. October, November & February classes have already been scheduled & will be filled up soon!

[Shane19]

Thats great. I'm glad information is starting to come out. I'm number 251, as far as ranking so I hope they reach this number atleast by the spring. Of all you guys that has been called for the CPAT. What were your numerical ranking when you got your scores back. I'm trying to see how long before my number is called.

[mikeco5]

Does anyone know who the medical clearance portion works? Is the report from the psych Dr. sent to the medical director for review along with your medical exam report? Or are they seperate reports that are sent back to fire HQ? I just got off the phone with the fire/police clinic and it seems that the medical director is going on vacation in the next week or two. If thats the case, how are they going to get everyone cleared in order to start a Oct.2 class.....

[mikeco5]

Anyone read the report about the potential new mayor Fenty and his plans to seperate fire and ems. If so, there might be a possibility of all new hires going straight to the ems side. Opinions?

[DCFDCAR5]

:confused: Think about that statement. If EMS becomes separate from the FD, then how could an applicant for the position of Firefighter/EMT be sent to another agency. Thats about as likely as being sent to MPD or Public Works. More likely, is that all FD hiring would be frozen due to a lack of FTEs.

[dooley]

Can someone tell me how long the Academy is? Also, do you know how much you make while in the Academy? Trying to figure out what I can afford in D.C. I've been on deferment for the last couple of years from the '03 test for active duty, but I'm moving there in January and doing the background/psych at that time. Thanks much.

[DCFDCAR5]

Class should be between 16-20 weeks. Some have been shorter than 16, but not many. Grade 1, Step 1 Firefighter/EMTs make $42,597 per annum.

[kickphatdan]

Anyone heard back after the physical and psych yet? I completed everything at the start of september and wanted to know if anyone else had heard
thanks
kickphatdan

[mikeco5]

No. I called the clinic and they said that the case manager who prepares the paper work goes on vacation this week and the medical director goes on vacation next week. I think it may be another week or so before we hear anything, unless they were just BSing me

[HenryChan]

Grats to all the DC Recuits!

[berry116]

no info yet...i also took physical and psych in early sept. just gotta ride it out... they'll call when they call

[Shane19]

Have any of you guys heard anything about the start of the class date?

[Pugsley6485]

Called today and I am supposedly getting a letter by the end of this week or next week for the agility test. I was number 348 on the list when I took the test in May. I hope all goes well in November for my agility test.

Also, as the agility test has not changed from whats said on here has it?

[Truckie42]

Did they give you a date for the test? I am #351 and hoping too hear something soon!

[Pugsley6485]

No date yet, just told me to look for something in the mail this week or the week after. It is suppose in November sometime.

[Truckie42]

Ok, Thanks, do me a favor let us know when you do here something.

[Pugsley6485]

I will do that when I hear something

[Pugsley6485]

Got my info today. I take my agility test month Nov. 4th at the training center. Talked to someone today and told me my date for the test, and I will receive a packet in the mail soon.

Anyone else taking the agility test this day?

[Truckie42]

Pugsley, who are you calling in DC and whats the #? I am not far behind you and would love to hear some good news.

[Pugsley6485]

I just called the Recruiting Officer at (202) 673-3330. Spoke to him, and he told me my date and that we would be mailing my info packet out.

[Truckie42]

Thanks Pugsley, just spoke to them, Not yet but soon he said.

[Pugsley6485]

If you dont mind me asking what number are you?

[Truckie42]

My number is 351.

[Pugsley6485]

Aaa. I believe they stopped at 350 this time around. You should be up soon then. I'll let you all know how it goes.

[Truckie42]

That was the impression I got from the Captain I spoke to on the phone today. He did say I should be hearing something soon, so we'll see what happens. Good Luck!

[Pugsley6485]

Where is a good place to stay in the area? Is it worth it to stay in DC or in the outside area?

[Truckie42]

GOt the call today!!!!! CPAT on Sunday 11/05/06.

[Pugsley6485]

Truckie,
I just realized that we were at the same turn in place at the beging of the applications. I'll cya there on the 5th.

[Truckie42]

Thought you were on the 4th? Where you from?

[Pugsley6485]

I am the 4th I got my days mixed up on my calender. I am orginally from NJ, but I recently moved down here to SC. I went back to read where we have to go for the agilty test and I saw your post about the rec center. Lol, brought back memories of that horrbile day. It is was worth it in the end.

[Truckie42]

I met some good people that day, I also met some real aholes. Where about in line were you? I was near the back, I think my number was 135? didn't get in til mid afternoon. Best part of that whole day was watching the Domino's guy keep showing up.

[Shane19]

Which rec center?

[3V073B]

How have the women been doing on the CPAT? I've known of 2 women to take the test, but only one was able to make it through.

[Truckie42]

Shane, I can't remember what rec center, it was pretty new, and I think it was just down from the Capitol Building. I actually got lost and found it by accident. It was one of the places that didn't start taking apps until after 9, and were taking just 1 person at a time.

[Pugsley6485]

I was number 153 or something to that effect in line. I rember that Dominos guy. We actually ordered from him when he dropped off a pizza, and then came back with ours in like 30 mins. It was great. I started out in the middle the of line then when the **** it the fan I ended towards the back of the middle.

[Truckie42]

Small world, are you from the New York area? I remember a guy and girl who were down from NY, they ordered pizza on her credit card. I thought it was pretty funny that all these people who wanted to get jobs as firefighters fighthing with each other and arguging with the Fire Department people who were there, just the people I want on a hose line with me!

[Pugsley6485]

I'm from Jersey but just moved to SC. I just my letter and packet in the mail today. I got my hotel all booked, and got my bags packed. I'm ready to leave Friday after work. Yeah some of the people at the rec center would make great firefighters. Umm yeah...

[Goodtimes]

Everyone who is going through the process make sure you stay on top of all your paperwork and check frequently for your status. The clinic about screwed me out of a job cause they were sitting on my packet. If they need additional information from you they may not be so gracious as to tell you about it. So when your finished all of you medical screening make sure you call up there to be certain that your good to go. I missed the first two classes because of the clinic so keep an eye out.

[OptionsOpen]

Goodtimes, that is great advice. On a positive note, DCOP has corrected the problem of failing to provide proper notification of job offers. Even better, Recruiting Office says a 3rd class is planned for Nov 27th. Stay positive!

[Truckie42]

Ok, getting ready to head to Dc on Sunday and have a couple of questions for anybody who is currently in the academy, or anyone else who might know the answers. ABout how many recruits are in a class? And along with that how many classes are planned? I ask because I am really hoping to nail this job and be in the academy within a few months. Shane19 you were number 251? How are you doing in the process?

[OptionsOpen]

- ABout how many recruits are in a class? 30
- And along with that how many classes are planned? 6

[Truckie42]

OPtions, Thanks for the info! Are you in class now? If so what # were you?

[3V073B]

Ok, getting ready to head to Dc on Sunday and have a couple of questions for anybody who is currently in the academy, or anyone else who might know the answers. ABout how many recruits are in a class? And along with that how many classes are planned? I ask because I am really hoping to nail this job and be in the academy within a few months. Shane19 you were number 251? How are you doing in the process?
Truckie
I turned in my blue book on Monday. I'm waiting to start the medical/psych portion of the process.

[Shane19]

Goodtimes, that is great advice. On a positive note, DCOP has corrected the problem of failing to provide proper notification of job offers. Even better, Recruiting Office says a 3rd class is planned for Nov 27th. Stay positive!

I thought only one class had already begun. I thought the Oct 16th class was the first class. Has a second class started?

[OptionsOpen]

There are two classes currently; one started Oct 16th, the other Oct 30th. I am ranked in the 120's and have been told i am high on the list for the Nov 27th class.

2 classes in, & at least 4 more to go. Patience, it will pay off.

[Truckie42]

Options, patience is easy for you, your about to be there. I didn't score as high as I could have and now I don't see the academy in my near future. Especially since you told me your in the 120's. Oh well, keep doing what I'm doing and wait it out.

[Truckie42]

Pugsley, how did things go for you today?

[Pugsley6485]

I did not make it to the test this weekend. I ended up in the hospital Friday on my way to DC. I spoke with the recruiting office and I am reschedule for March as they are not doing any more testing after the 18th of Nov because of winter.

So now I unfortunally have to wait till March. How did you do Truckie?

[Truckie42]

Sorry to hear that Pugsley, Hope things are ok!!! There were 25 in the group today, I ran threw in 10:45, the tower kicked my arse. My legs felt like lead weights coming back down the tower, other then that things were good, have to go back down on Tuesday for orientation. The Capt that was there said it would be a long weight until next CPAt and orientation, but didn't think it would be that long.For those of you who did the orientation, what is the best thing for a guy from out of state to do, drive around the city all day or park and take public trans?

[Shane19]

Truckie
When I went to orientation I took the metro, but alot of other people drove. I'm not sure what the parking situation is near the Grimke school, but parking was $15 to park in a garage when we went downtown. I suggest taking the metro. The metro lets you out directly in front of both places you will need to go.

[Truckie42]

Shane are you from DC, I am trying to find the best way to p/u the metro outside of DC and run it into the city, and suggestions, anyone??

[DennisTheMenace]

Shane are you from DC, I am trying to find the best way to p/u the metro outside of DC and run it into the city, and suggestions, anyone??Where are you coming in from? I-270 or I-95?

[DCFDCAR5]

Pick a metro stop on this map, http://www.wmata.com/maps/metrorail_street_map.cfm

But I suggest the Greenbelt station, as it is the closest one to I-95.

Forget about parking at Grimke.

[jayzian]

I turned in my blue book last thursday, Nov. 20th, anyone know how long until the FBI background check is done and how long until they contact me for my medical exam? If you don't pass the background check do they contact you saying you are out of contention?

[DennisTheMenace]

Pick a metro stop on this map, http://www.wmata.com/maps/metrorail_street_map.cfm

But I suggest the Greenbelt station, as it is the closest one to I-95.

Forget about parking at Grimke.
And Shady Grove if he is coming in on I-270

[Truckie42]

The last couple times I came in I came down 695 to 95. I was on the DC Metro Web site, and if I am correst I can park at the Greenbelt and take the train right into DC and get off at the U street station, then a short walk, does that sound right? If so, whats the traffic like getting into Greenbelt. Sorry for all the ???'s just want to get it right and not be late.

[Shane19]

I turned in my blue book last thursday, Nov. 20th, anyone know how long until the FBI background check is done and how long until they contact me for my medical exam? If you don't pass the background check do they contact you saying you are out of contention?

I turned in my blue book exactly 1 week from the day I got it and Cheif Campbell said the FBI reports from my orientation group had come in that day. So it should only take a week or so.

[Shane19]

The last couple times I came in I came down 695 to 95. I was on the DC Metro Web site, and if I am correst I can park at the Greenbelt and take the train right into DC and get off at the U street station, then a short walk, does that sound right? If so, whats the traffic like getting into Greenbelt. Sorry for all the ???'s just want to get it right and not be late.

Traffic won't be that bad, but it's off 495 so traffic is kinda unpredictable.

Yes, you are on the right track, when you walk off the train go to your right, head up the stairs, walk out of the station and Gimke will be across the street.

[OptionsOpen]

I turned in my blue book last thursday, Nov. 20th, anyone know how long until the FBI background check is done and how long until they contact me for my medical exam? If you don't pass the background check do they contact you saying you are out of contention?
PAT, Orientation & Med & Psych were all sceduled in a 1 month time frame for me.

[Truckie42]

Shane, Thanks for the help, looks like it'll be another early trip to DC, Thanks again.

[Shane19]

Yeah, but it will be a very short day.....Orientation is about 1.5 hours and the trip to get the finger prints and driving record is only gonna take about an hour.

[Truckie42]

The driving record, how does that work since I am out of state? Also does any of this cost anything? Other then the obvious getting around town? Oh yeah I more IMPORTANT 1, any good places to eat near there in case I get in early and have time to kill?

[Shane19]

The driving record, how does that work since I am out of state? Also does any of this cost anything? Other then the obvious getting around town? Oh yeah I more IMPORTANT 1, any good places to eat near there in case I get in early and have time to kill?

As odd as it sounds you will have to get a DC drivers license record even though you've never held a drivers license there in DC. You will have to get one from the state you're licensed in to, but you will have to that later, when you get back to your home state. You will not have to pay for anything, they know you're from the fire department.

I don't know about any good food places, the only time I go to that area is to drink and party....I rarely go during daytime hours.

[StevenMcCaffery]

How long does this list last until..?

[Shane19]

Till the next testing cycle, which will be no earlier than 08'

[Truckie42]

BIG THANKS!! To all those who helped with directions and advice for getting me to DC yesterday. Went real well, and only hit 1 small snag, I parked at the Greenbelt, and when I went to leave the parking area to head home I got to the gate and couldn't leave because I didn't know that you couldn't pay somone at the gate! SO I had to back out of the stall and drive up to the station and get some nice person to explain to me about buying a smartcard to get out! And then they were nice enough to explain that I could've bought the card first and then used it all day if I put enough $$ on it. Friggin technology! Think I like it here in Amish Country. Anyway, sorry for the rant, if any of you guys are ever in PA, let me know, I'll buy your first round as a Thanks!

[Firemonkey99]

There should be two numbers. Captain Campbell is very hard to get in touch with. If you call the other number someone should answer the phone. They collect blue books from 9-2pm mon-fri. If you live close, just show up. You don't really need an apointment

[Shane19]

I wish that I would've found this thread a LONG time ago!! But, just found it today. I have a question for anyone who can help. I did the cpat last weekend, and had my orientation, and cpt campbell gave us a week to return the background book. I have filled it out and called twice to make an appointment to take it back to him, with no answer. I have left 2 messages as well. For anyone who is past this point, how long did it take to meet with him to go over the book? Im startin to freak out a little...!!


Just show up and turn it in. There is no need for an appointment.

Cool screen name...I drive an 89' YJ.

[yellow91yj]

I wish that I would've found this thread a LONG time ago!! But, just found it today. I have a question for anyone who can help. I did the cpat last weekend, and had my orientation, and cpt campbell gave us a week to return the background book. I have filled it out and called twice to make an appointment to take it back to him, with no answer. I have left 2 messages as well. For anyone who is past this point, how long did it take to meet with him to go over the book? Im startin to freak out a little...!!

[OptionsOpen]

I mailed mine

[Truckie42]

Options, I was hoping to do that too, but was under the impression that wasn't an option. It sure would be great if I could, boss isn't happy with me missing time to pursue another job.

[LPFD53]

DON'T mail it back.... take it back to 1923 Vermont Ave, NW M-F after 9am and probably before 3pm is your best bet.... there is always someone in the recruitment office to drop it off to.

[Truckie42]

Thats my plan at this point to take it down, I hit 1 snag, I don't have my original Diploma or transcripts and it'll take 4 weeks to get.

[jayzian]

Thats my plan at this point to take it down, I hit 1 snag, I don't have my original Diploma or transcripts and it'll take 4 weeks to get.
you don't need your transcripts and a copy of your diploma will do just fine

[Shane19]

According to the forms Campbell gave us it says we need our original diploma as well as a copy.
All you need is a copy. I didn't have my original either so I had my mom fax me a copy.

[Truckie42]

According to the forms Campbell gave us it says we need our original diploma as well as a copy.

[capcityffyter]

Heads up all prospects our new mayor is apparently going forward with 3rd service EMS as a priority, I believe a hiring freeze is on the horizon for at least 6 months...however massive retirements are predicated over the next year so i wouldnt worry...it might just take a bit longer

[OptionsOpen]

Heads up all prospects our new mayor is apparently going forward with 3rd service EMS as a priority, I believe a hiring freeze is on the horizon for at least 6 months...however massive retirements are predicated over the next year so i wouldnt worry...it might just take a bit longer
When would a hiring freeze begin?

[Goodtimes]

I wish that I would've found this thread a LONG time ago!! But, just found it today. I have a question for anyone who can help. I did the cpat last weekend, and had my orientation, and cpt campbell gave us a week to return the background book. I have filled it out and called twice to make an appointment to take it back to him, with no answer. I have left 2 messages as well. For anyone who is past this point, how long did it take to meet with him to go over the book? Im startin to freak out a little...!!

Take it easy, you don't have to make an appointment just go up there and drop it off. I never called to set up an appointment unless this is something new he is doing. Even if he is, just go up there and drop it off during the week between 9 and 5. If you up there they have to deal with you instead of you leaving messages and wasting you time.

[Goodtimes]

Heads up all prospects our new mayor is apparently going forward with 3rd service EMS as a priority, I believe a hiring freeze is on the horizon for at least 6 months...however massive retirements are predicated over the next year so i wouldnt worry...it might just take a bit longer

Where is this coming from? Thought he ditched the third party idea a long time ago. Is this just word around the campfire rumor mill stuff or is there a publication or web-page we can all reference for this information.

[LPFD53]

Read through this (http://www.thewatchdesk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23215&page=2&pp=15)

[DCFDCAR5]

Where is this coming from? Thought he ditched the third party idea a long time ago. Is this just word around the campfire rumor mill stuff or is there a publication or web-page we can all reference for this information.

Every news organization in the DC area has been reporting on this in various forms. Where did you get the idea the plan was "ditched"? Here is a snip from the Fenty transition plan:
8. Reforming Emergency Medical Services

a. Separate Emergency Medical Services from DC Fire Department
b. Establish DC Emergency Medical Service Agency
c. Benchmark current status
d. Create a Task Force to establish a timetable for transition
e. Identify interim transition DCFEMS leaders
f. DOH’s EHMSA should re-engage to oversee EMS functions
g. Establish EMS Chief on par with Police & Fire Chiefs

[yellow91yj]

This thread just got REAL depressing... REAL quick... Someone say something!

[Truckie42]

I wouildn't let it get you down just yet, He doesn't get in office til Jan, 2007. Then see what happens. Does it look good, maybe not right away, but for anyone not into the EMS part of it, it looks good in the long run. I am not sweating till I see it in black and white that Firefighter hiring is frozen.

[yellow91yj]

Ahhhhh....we needed optimism!!! No one wrote a reply for like 3 days!! :)

[OptionsOpen]

Recruiting Office says the 11.27th class has been postponed, but says there has been no official "hiring freeze". No dates are scheduled for future classes.

[Shane19]

Did they state the reason for the postponement?