Mosul Iraq FIRE

[TXFIREDAWG]

http://cms.firehouse.com/content/article/article.jsp?id=43814&sectionId=45

[EFD840]

Link doesn't work...

[RLFD14]

Interesting article, but is a bright red pavement queen flashing "hey look at me" red lights the best kind of equipment to be using in Mosul right now? I think I'd rather have an olive drab armored humvee with a skid mount pump and 500 gallons in back and no red lights.

I'm not there, so I can't claim to know better - not trying to criticize. Just a question that popped up.

[TXFIREDAWG]

Yeah what was WSI thinking when they bought several Big Red Fire Trucks! Jeff who is my friend in IRAQ told me that that base can be seen by the whole city of Mosul.

[allineedisu]

http://cms.firehouse.com/content/article/article.jsp?id=43814&sectionId=45



So, anyone could have gone on this site and copied the article and said that someone from Iraq sent it to them.

[bobbymurphy]

Interesting article, but is a bright red pavement queen flashing "hey look at me" red lights the best kind of equipment to be using in Mosul right now? I think I'd rather have an olive drab armored humvee with a skid mount pump and 500 gallons in back and no red lights.

I'm not there, so I can't claim to know better - not trying to criticize. Just a question that popped up.

My only guess to the look of the engines they purchased would the old Murphy's Law, "Try to not look important, the enemy may be low on ammunition."

I'm guessing someone with an RPG would be more likely to want to use it on a humvee of marines than a firetruck full of contractors. With the firetrucks set up the way they are there is no question as to whether or not it is military whereas a humvee set up for firefighting could easily be viewed as a fighting vehicle.

[RLFD14]

My only guess to the look of the engines they purchased would the old Murphy's Law, "Try to not look important, the enemy may be low on ammunition."

I'm guessing someone with an RPG would be more likely to want to use it on a humvee of marines than a firetruck full of contractors. With the firetrucks set up the way they are there is no question as to whether or not it is military whereas a humvee set up for firefighting could easily be viewed as a fighting vehicle.

I disagree. Else why the three bombs in Baghdad today aimed at commuters (not soldiers), especially the third one timed specifically to take out cops and medics? Fire trucks (and ambulances and groups of children etc) are easy soft targets that don't shoot back, and torching a few would put a damper on morale....

[gutedude]

This fire is over a year old, what made you update the article and bring it up again?

[turnout733]

Reminds me of Nightmare on Elm Street, except we Awakened a dead mutt.

"One, two Mutt is coming for u...

"Three, four better....."

[cozmosis]

This fire is over a year old, what made you update the article and bring it up again?

The original story is dated July 2, 2005.

[garypoe4454]

if one looks at the news daily they will see big red trucks euro style and pierces.
the thought was do not look like the US Army
we are not allowed to have camo on, where black cevlar and only some have mill spek body armor. so big and red is what fire trucks look like.
Baghdad does have a greenish Engine Co donated from some where.
If your gonna get shot doing your job the paint job on your truck will not change the snipers view of you.
Morters are sent to a grid square so pain will not change that.
Time delays of cell phone detanators same same.
Like the old pumper driver said to me 25 years ago.
Get right with God not, cause you cant negoshiate when your number comes up.
stay safe all you guys
I should be back in the Mid East around March for my 4th contract.

[garypoe4454]

the pumper driver sair
get right with God NOW :o

[FIRECHICA343]

:cool: Listen every one, I was there and I was also in the Army as a firefighter and i know alot of my fellow brothers and sisters form Iraq read theses things. The whole red truck thing is a good and a bad. Good is the joes get a taste of home, and they are good trucks for what we do there(since going outside of the wire is not yet an ablity of the deparments yet). The RPG, rockets, and stuff is a always a possible, like LA FF's never got shot at during the Rodney riots right!! That is the risk of going there, so it is what everyone sigins up for is the excitement of the possablity. I am not in any way talking down to anyone,they are great trucks. The Army has the Tactial firefighting truck(hemmit type), they are good trucks also. Since most of the roads are paved or working on being paved.The capacty to have that much water is a great avantage since you are fighting fires with smartwater usage. The mini pumpers and such are good, they move well in tight corners, the small rescues are great for EMS response, the T-3000 are OK, E-one's are
good to. All of the Trucks we have for the dept all over the country are great. Yes you can see red from far away but it is better to be seen during an emerengcy with out lights. Meaning, the military sees the trucks and they move out of the way. If i ofended anyone I am sorry. I just thought I would put my two cents in. thank youguys over thereI will be back soon,,,,,,,,Bye

[CALIWILDLAND]

Is it really the truth!!!!!!!

[macdaddy52]

This is mac from Keller get in touch with me I'am in the box now call station 3 and talk to Palmer or Blakenship they will give you my E-mail I saw Rusty right before I left. Later Mac

[tomdtruck1443]

ok lets get this straight that article is more than a year old i have been mosul most of my first contract and im there for my 2nd contract so far i just started my 2nd contract this happened before i got here this guy that wrote demobed so before i got here hes not a happy camper with wsi from the stories i heard he had issues i was in here in july 2005 on marez and we didnt go off base for anything i see the pics it looks like what we call the asp so its actually part of the base lol and its marez not merez duh well bye for now

[garypoe4454]

Fired fireman sues defense contractor
Man says he was assaulted before he was dismissed
By Bill Myers
Examiner Staff Writer
Published: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 11:22 PM EST
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Gary Lovett, a former D.C. firefighter, claims he was fired from his contracting job after being attacked by his supervisor in Iraq. Jay Westcott/Examiner
When the Sept. 11 attacks came, D.C. firefighter Gary Lovett says he "got Pearl Harbor syndrome." He left the District after a 23-year career and shipped off, first to Saudi Arabia, then to Afghanistan and then to Iraq, to "do my thing for God and country."

But he says his willingness to take up the fireman's burden met sloth and heathen folly - and his hopes were brought to naught - when his boss assaulted him and then had him fired.

Last week, Lovett, 51, of Rockville, filed a six-figure breach-of-contract suit in D.C. Superior Court against the boss and Wackenhut Services Inc., the defense contractor that initially had hired him.


The hard-talking, hard-living Lovett says he was doing good work for the Marines in Fallujah. But he says that his supervisor - who "wasn't cut out for the job" and was "under enormous undue pressure" - "wigged out" in separate confrontations over training and procedure.

In the second confrontation, Lovett claims the boss grabbed him by the collar and slammed him into a trailer.



"Now I'm not saying I'm the most efficient manager in the world. I've got foibles - ask my wife. But [Wackenhut officials] had their kangaroo court and they found that I was guilty," Lovett said.

Lovett says he's been unable to find work since his firing last March.

His lawyer, Adele L. Abrams, said the suit should serve as a whiff of grapeshot for scheming defense contractors.



"These contractors are out there exploiting the people they bring over â€- who put themselves on the line," Abrams said.

Wackenhut CEO James L. Long called Lovett's claims "ridiculous."

"I have 550 people over there and you're welcome to call all of them and you'll get 550 people telling you that it's the most absurd thing they've ever heard," he

said.

SEEKING RETRIBUTION

- The suit seeks $10,000 in "actual" damages - back wages, bonuses and the contents of a foot locker allegedly kept by the company.

- It seeks an additional $300,000 in punitive damages.

- Wackenhut's Iraq contract is worth about $80 million

[garypoe4454]

Rick Tye is a good man who is trying to do a huge thing.
I would fight Hells fire for him any time any where
I feal luck to have worked with him and hate to have to go to court over money

[SmokeEater1]

Fired fireman sues defense contractor
Man says he was assaulted before he was dismissed
By Bill Myers
Examiner Staff Writer
Published: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 11:22 PM EST
E-mail this story | Print this page

Gary Lovett, a former D.C. firefighter, claims he was fired from his contracting job after being attacked by his supervisor in Iraq. Jay Westcott/Examiner
When the Sept. 11 attacks came, D.C. firefighter Gary Lovett says he "got Pearl Harbor syndrome." He left the District after a 23-year career and shipped off, first to Saudi Arabia, then to Afghanistan and then to Iraq, to "do my thing for God and country."

But he says his willingness to take up the fireman's burden met sloth and heathen folly - and his hopes were brought to naught - when his boss assaulted him and then had him fired.

Last week, Lovett, 51, of Rockville, filed a six-figure breach-of-contract suit in D.C. Superior Court against the boss and Wackenhut Services Inc., the defense contractor that initially had hired him.


The hard-talking, hard-living Lovett says he was doing good work for the Marines in Fallujah. But he says that his supervisor - who "wasn't cut out for the job" and was "under enormous undue pressure" - "wigged out" in separate confrontations over training and procedure.

In the second confrontation, Lovett claims the boss grabbed him by the collar and slammed him into a trailer.



"Now I'm not saying I'm the most efficient manager in the world. I've got foibles - ask my wife. But [Wackenhut officials] had their kangaroo court and they found that I was guilty," Lovett said.

Lovett says he's been unable to find work since his firing last March.

His lawyer, Adele L. Abrams, said the suit should serve as a whiff of grapeshot for scheming defense contractors.



"These contractors are out there exploiting the people they bring over â€- who put themselves on the line," Abrams said.

Wackenhut CEO James L. Long called Lovett's claims "ridiculous."

"I have 550 people over there and you're welcome to call all of them and you'll get 550 people telling you that it's the most absurd thing they've ever heard," he

said.

SEEKING RETRIBUTION

- The suit seeks $10,000 in "actual" damages - back wages, bonuses and the contents of a foot locker allegedly kept by the company.

- It seeks an additional $300,000 in punitive damages.

- Wackenhut's Iraq contract is worth about $80 million


This is a very very old news or relapse in time for those of us that have been at Fallujah. This happend a yr. ago so howcome this is just now make the Forum News? I got there after the incident and and herd the details. Is the lawsuit new to WSI?

[wuffpack1]

Check out all the threads and even several times in most of the threads....this is his message and he is getting it out, unfortunately as you point out he fails to let everyone know that it is VERY OLD NEWS...so I have voluteered to take him to task everytime he post it by letting everyone know exactly how outdated and tiresome (much like th author) it is..

[waynejorgensen]

I'm here now...and its a pretty nice setup here (on the OTHER side of Marez)...I can't say anything about there since I've never ventured that way yet.

And yes, part of the town can see in....no big deal. Ask how many problems that has caused. Very few considering.....