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E229Lt
05-21-2005, 11:00 PM
9/11 and the Cowboy Issue

Many years ago the New York Fire Department began a process of classifying buildings into types and from that observation they developed a written strategy to cope with any potential fire or emergency by simply applying the tenets of a given tactic to the type of structure involved. One of the first of these was “Old Law Tenements.” Using the experience of generations of firefighters and adding the innovative options provided by newer equipment and other learned factors; a book of tactics and procedures on Old Law Tenements was initiated.

So successful was this project that a Battalion Chief arriving late on the scene of a developing fire in an Old Law Tenement could immediately appraise the success of the effort of the first responders by observing the effort and listening to the communications and comparing that to his normal expectations as described in the book; this, even if he had never witnessed a fire in an Old Law Tenement in his career.

The language of the book is terse and direct with literally no options other than to be in harms way. Simple sentences like, “The first due engine shall proceed to the fire floor and begin their attack…” commits the first due officer to the fray and those that will follow have equally severe tasks to assume. There are no escape clauses. One will not find sentences that begin with a ‘however’ or a ‘but’. There are few adverbs and no adjectives. All of the books are filled with the words, ‘shall’ and ‘will’, as in the sentence above.

The company that takes its line above the first line to attack and protect the floor above knows that the first due engine will never leave their position. That is not written in any book because it is a well honed tradition of that organization that companies and personnel totally depend upon each other and such attitudes do not have to be written; yet they are firmly ingrained. The combination of written guidelines married to direct experience coupled with that proven tradition of courage and tenacity is the signature of the New York City Fire Department. When one adds to this entity a system that continues to produce an employee of the highest caliber that civil service tests can produce, the citizens of New York can be justly proud of the reputation that has been honestly earned.

Each operation is dependent upon each company applying themselves with firm vigor and commitment. The arriving Battalion Chief then becomes somewhat like a conductor of an orchestra, coordinating the companies by following the script which he knows well and which most often has been reinforced by experience.

An observer looking upon the scene of a fully developed fire in an old law tenement would no doubt think that the effort has some of the flair of spontaneity so fierce and intense is the activity of the attack. Only the true professional, and certainly the officer in command, can see the order, the fluidness, and the level of proficiency in the drama before him. With him is always the knowledge that despite the training and the capability of the members on the scene, terrible things can go wrong in a moment. It is one of the reasons why he is there.

High Rise buildings also have fallen into a separate category and they too have been described and captured into a rather large book of tactics and procedures that are considerably more complicated in their application than is the tenement book.

However, the tactics and procedures for all of the different types of buildings have at least one thing in common; every attack on a fire building begins on the floor below the fire. It is there where the teams get ready for the coming battle, it is there where the lines are drawn and the movement toward resolution truly begins.

Underneath it all, well below the cackling of the radios and the almost audible terror of the fleeing public conveyed to those who responded on 9/11, was the grim understanding that somewhere there will be a floor below and we will find it and then we will attack.
Simply put, again using a broad brush approach to a complicated problem, the Fire Department was going to find the lowest floor from which to launch an attack that was from the outset fraught with danger and its counterpart, deep anxiety.

When one puts buildings into categories, the tactics that ensue are dependent on certain assumptions and not the least of these is common structural features of a given structure with another. It is unfortunate that this factor, which led to an assumption that the World Trade Center was consistent with other high rise buildings, was so fatally flawed. Yet, there was no reason to make any other assumption on the morning of 9/11.

Had those planes launched themselves into any other two high rise buildings in that area (let us say 130 Liberty St and another), they would have had an excellent chance of surviving the onslaught and eventually the fire would have been extinguished using the same tactics applied at the Twin Towers.

There would have been no cry of “cowboys” to characterize their effort because their effort would have succeeded. It must be everyone’s hope that this style of activity will continue.

The observer who used the phrase “cowboy” to describe the activity is not unlike the observer of the tenement fire as described above. He cannot see what is in front of him because he does not know what he is looking at.

Warm regards,

Tom Brennan
Retired Captain NYFD

EMTZeek
05-21-2005, 11:45 PM
excellent article, I really honed in on the part about the first company never giving up their line. Just recently I read a thread about "recovery" time and how some departments have one and some dont. Great article...thanks!

FyredUp
05-22-2005, 12:51 AM
As we watched the horror of 9/11 unfold on the TV in my career FD station one of the guys at the table said "What the Hell were they doing in there?" Meaning why were the FDNY personnel in the towers. I looked at him and replied "The same God damned thing we'd be doing if it happened in this city."

Cowboys? No, dedicated, brave firefighters doing their job saving lives. Were they fearless? My guess is heck no. They were afraid but overcame that in order to do what they knew had to be done.



As far as the comment about that other thread about turn-out gear and rehab...If you don't think full gear, SCBA and eventual rehab are important you simply don't get it. Rehab has nothing to do with abandoning your position. It has to do with holding and fighting until you MUST leave to replace your air bottle from the SCBA that was not only carried on your back, but was actually used to supply safe, breathable air in the toxic and deadly atmosphere of the fire. If done properly the line never leaves the building, you are replaced by a new team who takes the line and continues the attack until they need to be replaced.

Please explain to me this need to expose yourself to these by-products of fire? And don't say you aren't because that is the only way to NEVER have to exit the building before the fire is out.

AS I said in the other topic...full gear, SCBA and rehab are not signs of weakness, they are simply the way it is and should be.

FyredUp

GeorgeWendtCFI
05-22-2005, 06:58 AM
Originally posted by EMTZeek
excellent article, I really honed in on the part about the first company never giving up their line. Just recently I read a thread about "recovery" time and how some departments have one and some dont. Great article...thanks!

In the interest of intellectual honesty...the article talks about the first due company not giving up their position. That is a tactical decision. It does not say they won't be relieved if ordered.

E229Lt
05-22-2005, 08:34 AM
In the interest of intellectual honesty...the article talks about the first due company not giving up their position. That is a tactical decision. It does not say they won't be relieved if ordered.

Please re-read the area cited:


The company that takes its line above the first line to attack and protect the floor above knows that the first due engine will never leave their position.

This is not about Rehab and relief. It is about holding your position when the brothers have gone above. Should air run low or fire become uncontrollable, this is relayed above and the brothers brought down. Until they are all down from above,that nozzle team will not retreat.

Dave1983
05-22-2005, 10:02 AM
Originally posted by E229Lt


Please re-read the area cited:




This is not about Rehab and relief. It is about holding your position when the brothers have gone above. Should air run low or fire become uncontrollable, this is relayed above and the brothers brought down. Until they are all down from above,that nozzle team will not retreat.

I certainly understand the need for the line to remain in operation while crew are operating above. What I dont understand is why the SAME FF's have to be the ones operating the line. The way we do it here is, when the first crew starts to run low on air, they notify the IC, who sends a second crew in. The second crew takes the line and the first retreats. Water never stops flowing. Why is this such a hard concept for some to grasp?

If we have the manpower to do this, I know NYFD does. I dont understand why they (FDNY) continue to operate with this mentality. You have the manpower, use it.

Please dont think for a minute that I dont respect the men & women of FDNY. In my book, they are absolutly the best around. They see more fire in a month then Ive seen in 22 years.

But as a Brother, it pains me that I continue to read of the tragic results of this "additude". Im not busting the FDNY, I just wish you would rethink some of the things you do. I understand the tradition, but just because its been that way for 200 years doesnt make it right.

I think I can speak for most (if not all) of the Brothers & Sisters here on the forums. We worry about you, about some of the things you do that put you at risk when you really could do it another (safer) way.

And I for one wish for nothing more then to never have to read another LODD report from FDNY.

GeorgeWendtCFI
05-22-2005, 11:25 AM
Originally posted by E229Lt


Please re-read the area cited:




This is not about Rehab and relief. It is about holding your position when the brothers have gone above. Should air run low or fire become uncontrollable, this is relayed above and the brothers brought down. Until they are all down from above,that nozzle team will not retreat.

If that's not what I said, that's what I meant.

FyredUp
05-22-2005, 01:40 PM
I entirely understand the idea of the line not retreating until the crew above is out of harm's way. What I don't understand and can't believe I will ever understand is why that line has to continue to be manned by a crew that ran out of air and is now sucking in poison with every breath? Is the macho element so strong that if another crew with fresh bottles comes in we simply can't believe they could do the job while we get new bottles? I think that speaks volumes.

It isn't about abadoning the position, it isn't about leaving the crew above unprotected, it isn't about stopping the firefight, it's about keeping yourself safe and giving up the macho nonsense of not being relieved on the line when it is time to get another bottle.

Again, I expect I will not change your mind anymore than you will change mine.

FyredUp

jfTL41
05-22-2005, 08:23 PM
There seems to be some confusion, the nozzle and back up move the line in, the nozzleman is relieved by the backup, then the door or control ff, who are supposed to have laid back conserving their air in case they are needed for relief. If the fire is not knocked down or extinguished (most are with 1 line in less than 10 minutes from the alarm reciept) then the second due co. may move up and relieve them, this happens fairly regularly at fires in hi rise multiple dwellings with heavy fire and the door left open, guys get burned or run out of air and are relieved but the line remains in operation.