who is in chrge of mva's in kentucky

[baskett110]

i trying to find out who is in charge of mva's in kentucky.
i posted this thread on volunteer forum to see how its done elsewere.

i need proof of who is in charge, i have searched krs and the kars and learned a lot about the fire laws (very few) and about the resuce squad and ema laws and regs., they are very clearly defined as to what they can and cannot do, and were they get their authority to operate.

tim hogan
baskett fire dept.
baskett ky
bfdthogan@insightbb.com

[RLFD14]

I AM!

(or at least my FD is)

State laws be damned (I actually don't know what they say), we're in charge!

:D :D :D

[MacInnis]

baskett.

From what I can tell the person in charge of the scene depends. The EMS are in charge of the patient when they arrive and touch them. But the Fire DepartmentRescue comtrols the cutting etc of everyone on the scene. But by the KRS laws it is the soel responsibility of the Police/Sherriff/ Law Enforcement Department to handle accident investigation, and traffic control.

Yes thats right Traffic Control. Right now we are having the same problem with regards to traffic control.. Our new policy is it is up to you. But the insurance can deny a claim of you get injuried at a traffic control scene because it is agains the state law.

The fact is the FD/Rescue is usually the one that most will let run the scene and coordinate the scene. Bit each department specially if each are not one (ems) have a job to do. The best thing to do is to work together and if there are issues with you and the others. I recommend that you sit down and talk with them.

But remember if you not an EMT don't try to do the EMT job. If you not a cop don't right tickets.

[coldfront]

No one agency is in total in charge.The lead roles change with the type of highway emergency involved.

Generally law enforcement seems a little weak in their training on the ICS in Kentucky.

This allows for poor communcations between law enforcement and the rest of the response world.

Unified command will benefits all agencies responding to Highway incidents.

Traffic congestion is a serious problem that is usually caused by roadway incidents.This can lead to secondary accidents.

The Kentucky Transportation Cabinet is developing an incident management strategic plan for Kentucky.

This plan should identfied all key stakeholder.I would hope problems and solutions associated with who's in charge will be address.I believe the answer CAN be found is within the unified command system.

No one agency can be in total charge.When you have events as Hazmat spills,entrappment with injuries,crime scenes,vehicle fires,structure fire that require fire trucks to block highways.The lead role may change several time before the scene is totally cleared.

Kentucky does have a KRS that protects charged hoselines from being driven over.

[MacInnis]

Well,

I did answer this else where in the site. But I believe that one agency can control the scene, as long as the others are aware and their services are used in the right way.

Maybe the best way to say it is. Instead of IC Incident Commander, we use a Incident Coordinator. The one person or group that coordinates the scene.

[coldfront]

Rescue squads and fire department are cover for traffic control duties by the state.


Rescue squads and fire departments.

KRS 390F.020 Authorization to operate within a jurisdiction.

Rescue squads and fire departments shall contribute to public safety and welfare by performing functions which may include TRAFFIC CONTROL in conjunction with a fire division ,or may operate as a separate unit.

Traffic control at an accident scene is a APPROVED activity.

Vehicles should be parked to protect the scene while minimizing the number of lanes blocked.

Training is a must for all fire departments or squads in traffic control.

also

39A.230 KRS

Addresses procedures for one multirisk,multiagency,unified incident command or management system.

Law Enforcement should work with other responders to establish an Incident command struture.

COMMAND IS DEPENDENT ON THE NATURE OF THE CRASH AND MAY CHANGE AS THE SITUATION CHANGES.

[michael2005]

In Madison County we have a vollie rescue squad that does thing in that nature but,BEREA FIRE responds in there district and Richmond Fire is beginning to do MVA.

But to answer your question I say time is in charge.

Time it takes to initiate>respond>extract>clean-up>depart scene.

Otherwise it is normally our rescue squad.

[cavecity114]

IN Cave City the Fire Department is in charge of the scene
i.e people to be rescued and fire control however if the is a 10-7
and the corner come's he's in charge of the body and removeul. PD/KSP
is in charge of traffic. But untill we get done were in charge. But we all work together has one Fire/PD/EMS