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StoveBolt
08-13-2004, 11:30 PM
The US standard railroad gauge (distance between the rails) is 4 feet, 8.5 inches. That's an exceedingly odd number.

Why was that gauge used?

Because that's the way they built them in England, and English expatriates built the US railroads.

Why did the English build them like that?

Because the first rail lines were built by the same people who built the pre-railroad tramways, and that's the gauge they used.

Why did they use that gauge then?

Because the people who built the tramways used the same jigs and tools that they used for building wagons, which used that wheel spacing.

Okay! Why did the wagons have that particular odd wheel spacing?

Well, if they tried to use any other spacing, the wagon wheels would break on some of the old, long distance roads in England, because that's the spacing of the wheel ruts.

So who built those old rutted roads?

Imperial Rome built the first long distance roads in Europe (and England) for their legions. The roads have been used ever since.

And the ruts in the roads?

Roman war chariots formed the initial ruts, which everyone else had to match for fear of destroying their wagon wheels. Since the chariots were made for Imperial Rome, they were all alike in the matter of wheel spacing.

The United States standard railroad gauge of 4 feet, 8.5 inches is derived from the original specifications for an Imperial Roman war chariot.

And bureaucracies live forever.

So the next time you are handed a spec and told we have always done it that way and wonder what horse's ass came up with that, you may be exactly right, because the Imperial Roman war chariots were made just wide enough to accommodate the back ends of two war horses.

Now the twist to the story...

When you see a space shuttle sitting on its launch pad, there are two big booster rockets attached to the sides of the main fuel tank. These are solid rocket boosters, or SRBs. The SRBs are made by Thiokol at their factory in Utah. The engineers who designed the SRBs would have preferred to make them a bit fatter, but the SRBs had to be shipped by train from the factory to the launch site.

The railroad line from the factory happens to run through a tunnel in the mountains. The SRBs had to fit through that tunnel. The tunnel is slightly wider than the railroad track, and the railroad track, as you now know, is about as wide as two horses' behinds.

So, a major space shuttle design feature of what is arguably the world's most advanced transportation system was determined over two thousand years ago by the width of a horse's ass.

And you thought being a horse's ass wasn't important!

CaptainGonzo
08-14-2004, 01:18 AM
Good one!

Scientific fact: there are more horses asses than there are horses! :p :D

engine1321
08-14-2004, 01:46 AM
Wow-

You took the time to research that?

Incredible.

firenresq77
08-14-2004, 03:31 AM
Someone had too much time on their hands.......;)

snowball
08-14-2004, 05:39 PM
I love this stuff!! You sure it isn't a "Horses Adze"?:D :D :D

hwoods
08-14-2004, 09:05 PM
Originally posted by snowball
You sure it isn't a "Horses Adze"?:D :D :D

If it were, it would have a bag over it......:D

The Romans cut grooves in their stone block roads to try to smooth things out for the wagons as well, that also contributed to the "Standard" of the day. There were literally dozens of different guages for Railroad Track in America over the years. Maine, at one point, had a network of Two Foot track, and Three Feet was used widely in the 1800s, Some 3 Ft Lines still operate in Colorado and Pennsylvania, with Steam Locomotives.

firenresq77
08-14-2004, 09:30 PM
Originally posted by hwoods


If it were, it would have a bag over it......:D

The Romans cut grooves in their stone block roads to try to smooth things out for the wagons as well, that also contributed to the "Standard" of the day. There were literally dozens of different guages for Railroad Track in America over the years. Maine, at one point, had a network of Two Foot track, and Three Feet was used widely in the 1800s, Some 3 Ft Lines still operate in Colorado and Pennsylvania, with Steam Locomotives. Harve, I was waiting for you to join in on this one........

stm4710
08-18-2004, 11:58 PM
There were 5 Maine 2 foot gauge railroads. Kennebec Central, Monson, Bridgton & Harrison, Wiscasset Waterville & Farmington and the Sandy River & Rangeley Lakes.

The Maine narrow gauge in Portland ME and Edaville in Carver MA were after the fact and are tourist lines only.

In Pennsylvainia ,Baltimore and hand full of other citys like Toronto the trolley system gauge was 5' 2". The reason was the steam railroads lobbyed local officals to make the trolley system non-standerd so they couldnt compete for frieght traffic.

hwoods
08-19-2004, 01:31 PM
Originally posted by stm4710
There were 5 Maine 2 foot gauge railroads. Kennebec Central, Monson, Bridgton & Harrison, Wiscasset Waterville & Farmington and the Sandy River & Rangeley Lakes.

The Maine narrow gauge in Portland ME and Edaville in Carver MA were after the fact and are tourist lines only.

In Pennsylvainia ,Baltimore and hand full of other citys like Toronto the trolley system gauge was 5' 2". The reason was the steam railroads lobbyed local officals to make the trolley system non-standerd so they couldnt compete for frieght traffic.

Trolley Track gauge was(is) always a hodgepodge anyway. Some systems were different, solely to avoid connections with competing lines. Some lines were specifically build to "Steam Road Standard" so they could get into the freight business. In Maryland, examples were the Washington, Baltimore, and Annapolis, as well as the Hagerstown, Frederick and Thurmont. Western examples included the Bamberger Lines, which served the area from Salt Lake City up to Preston, Idaho. These lines lasted longer than most, largely due to their freight traffic. My late father ran a PCC car on the Washington DC system in the 1940s.

kghemtp
08-19-2004, 07:43 PM
I saw the title "Horse's Azz" & thought this was another Kerry thread

StoveBolt
08-19-2004, 08:58 PM
Originally posted by hwoods
There were literally dozens of different guages for Railroad Track in America

I think the story was just for a smile.

When i started on the FD years ago there was an old capt. that had a story about the pros and cons of buying a used stone grinding wheel verses a new stone grinding wheel, all about the wear and the cost and how much grain each would grind ect. he went on for over a 1/2 hour as fast as he could talk, one of the funnist story i ever heard.. SB

hwoods
08-19-2004, 09:21 PM
Originally posted by StoveBolt


I think the story was just for a smile.


You certainly got a couple of grins. I may have said a bit much, but I can Never let STM get ahead in the Railroad History arena.:D :D

stm4710
08-20-2004, 03:29 AM
Originally posted by hwoods



You certainly got a couple of grins. I may have said a bit much, but I can Never let STM get ahead in the Railroad History arena.:D :D Harve.......how could I ever get ahead of you in rr history....... you probally were there with Durant and probally got tipsy on the night of the 9th :p :D :D JK Harve.

Hey harve, look what I was doing this afternoon......M-204 (http://photos.nerail.org/showpic/?2004082001554116276.jpg)

hwoods
08-20-2004, 10:16 AM
First time I've ever seen track ballasted with pine needles.:D :D

NJFFSA16
08-24-2004, 01:32 AM
Now you see the result of all his train-ing...

hwoods
08-24-2004, 10:53 AM
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

stm4710
08-27-2004, 02:15 AM
Now you see the result of all his train-ing... Hey folks im here for the week,stay for the veal.:p