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firespec35
08-08-2004, 07:13 PM
I have a music question for y'all.

I am a 27 y/o father of a 4 y/o girl

Considering most music is a rebellion from the previous generation where do our kids have to go. Where do you go from Slipknot, Marylin Manson, Linkin Park, Limp Bizkit, Metallica, ICP, and Eminem. Is this why the superficial pop BS is becoming so popular? Am I going to say in 10 years "N-Sync is the Devil. Go listen to some Greenday."

What do you think?

MINoSILLYWALKS
08-08-2004, 07:50 PM
Considering she's four, she'd probably digs on Raffi. Little early to worry about her rebellious music tastes, LOL.

CommDiva
08-08-2004, 11:32 PM
Try to expose your daughter to various forms of music. Play classical, jazz, rock 'n roll, all types in the house (well, all the types you and your wife can stand). Take her to kid's concerts that are interactive, the sort that lets her get up and move, clap, wiggle etc to the music. Show her that there are all types of musical forms out there. She's not too young! You don't have to sit there with flash cards, showing Beatles good, Nirvana bad (I'm just kidding for all you Nirvana fans out there!) Play music maker with her, bang around pots and pans, rustle wadded up plastic bags to make rhythmic sounds, make some maracas with rice or beans in a sealed tin can...MAKE SOME MUSIC!

I strongly believe children's musical tastes are influenced by what they hear when they are growing up. The more varied the music, the more the child learns what they like or don't like.

Don't despair, my 6 1/2 year old great niece loves The Doors (although I've not yet had to explain to her why Jim was called the Lizard King...that one can wait for a very long time, I think!) :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Cheers

Pat

WTFD10
08-09-2004, 12:09 AM
The pop BS today is popular for the same reason it always is: Formulatic production with obvious hooks. It's catchy and easy to understand even for the little ones. Every genre of music has the same type of "pop", Hip Hop had MC Hammer, Jazz has Kenny G, "Alternative" Rock has Creed, Country has...well I don't know 'cause I don't listen to that crap :p but you see my point. There's always going to be music that challenges the listener and music that doesn't.

As kids get older they'll naturally gravitate to music their parents don't like. We all did it. My dad hated hip-hop so naturally I loved it. As I got older we found some common ground when he heard samples from some jazz or R & B and even rock records that he liked in hip hop songs. Then he'd break out the original record and give me a history lesson. Now the cycle continues as I've been teaching my 6 year old how to scratch and mix with my turntables. Eventually he'll probably hate it but for now it's fun for both of us :)

If you're speaking of the "shock value" of some of the newer stuff, somebody will always push that envelope I'm sure. My grandparents probably thought nothing could be filthier than "Louie, Louie"!

firespec35
08-09-2004, 12:33 AM
Wow This thread went sideways. I just meant the state of music not specifically my kid. But for the record she is exposed to both types of music Rock and Roll and Country. Just Kidding. She is exposed to all types of music from R&B to Punk. I still believe that all kids will rebel in their music tastes from their parents which brings me to my original question. Where do our kids go from here?

MINoSILLYWALKS
08-09-2004, 12:45 AM
Who knows? The sub-sub genres of glitch electronica, progressive metal, and various non-classifiable groups have covered the music-as-discordant-noise thing already. Plus that dude who made a song that was just a stop (no sound whatsoever). And the Liz Phairs and Alanis Morrisettes of the world have covered the whole every-disgusting-detail kind of songwriting style.

Maybe the next generation will rebel and be into classical or medieval madrigals or something.

firenresq77
08-09-2004, 07:17 PM
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Just picturing Moe standing there in his Irish clothing, playing with his turntables doing some scratching.......... Kinda reminds me of Carlton from the Fresh Prince trying to be a player........ IT JUST DOESN'T WORK!!!!:D :p ;)

tribe9a
08-09-2004, 09:25 PM
Just let her listen to both kinds of music.......country and western! j/k
Good luck, I wonder about my lad and this issue also.

WTFD10
08-09-2004, 09:38 PM
Originally posted by firenresq77
HHHHHHHHHHMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM MMMMMMMMMMMMM



Just picturing Moe standing there in his Irish clothing, playing with his turntables doing some scratching.......... Kinda reminds me of Carlton from the Fresh Prince trying to be a player........ IT JUST DOESN'T WORK!!!!:D :p ;)

Yo, I used to be down back in the day...

Besides, Irish & hip-hop go together. Don't you remember House of Pain?

I have to say I pretty much stopped buying records in 1992 though. I can't stand all the "gangsta" and "bling bling" stuff.

firenresq77
08-09-2004, 10:05 PM
Moe, we need to get you "countrified" and get you a big ole cowboy hat.....

Weruj1
08-09-2004, 10:33 PM
The Deputy Bud Light hat ? :cool:

firenresq77
08-09-2004, 10:47 PM
No deputy Bud Light, just a regular one.......

FlyingKiwi
08-10-2004, 01:33 AM
Now aint that strange.

Tried relaxing a bit last night so on goes the Pink Floyd "Wish you were here" album.

4 month boy starts grinning away and cruised through the whole thing.

My wife said when he was upset today she put it on again, cruise mode was achieved rapidly.

Damn good taste that fella. :p

hwoods
08-10-2004, 11:33 AM
If it ain't Blue, it ain't Grass.................:D :D :D

NO Band is complete without a Dobro and a Fiddle.

firenresq77
08-10-2004, 11:44 AM
Originally posted by hwoods
If it ain't Blue, it ain't Grass.................:D :D :D

NO Band is complete without a Dobro and a Fiddle. Sorry, Harve, I can't do the Bluegrass thing......... It's OK, but I can't listen to a whole lot of it. I just worked a Diamond Rio concert on Sunday and they played a little, but that was plenty for me.....

Lewiston2Capt
08-10-2004, 02:10 PM
I am thinking WTFD has something there, it is commercial rock, the whole point is to get 'em hooked and make some money off of them. I listen to all kinds of music except Rap, and many types of R&B. I particularly like swing, classic rock, alternative, jazz, country not necessarily in that order. My parents listened to a fairly wide variety of music too. I initially tried that listen to what everyone else was listening to, but eventually said to hell with it and found my own taste in music.

Kiwi...
Damn good taste!

2ndgen
08-10-2004, 02:54 PM
I strongly believe in exposing children to music! I spent 6 years in the marching/concert band and 3 years in Jazz band. It teaches so many things! I also expose my children to many different artists such as Pantera, Linkin Park, Limp Bizkit, Joshua Bell and many celtic artists. Now before you are concerned because I let my children listen to all this stuff, my wife counteracts all my heavy stuff with her pop music crap. Some of it is okay, but come on now, Jessica Simpson just needs to dissapear, after she does the Dukes of Hazard movie that is!!!:D

FlyingKiwi
08-10-2004, 03:23 PM
I teaches so many things!

And you is gettin gooder at it too. :p

2ndgen
08-10-2004, 03:30 PM
Test- Test complete!!!

That is what you get for typing too fast and not proof reading.

protomkv
08-10-2004, 03:40 PM
Come back Caruso, All is forgiven.

jcrash
08-11-2004, 02:05 AM
Originally posted by CommDiva
Try to expose your daughter to various forms of music. Play classical, jazz, rock 'n roll, all types in the house (well, all the types you and your wife can stand). Take her to kid's concerts that are interactive, the sort that lets her get up and move, clap, wiggle etc to the music. Show her that there are all types of musical forms out there. She's not too young! You don't have to sit there with flash cards, showing Beatles good, Nirvana bad (I'm just kidding for all you Nirvana fans out there!) Play music maker with her, bang around pots and pans, rustle wadded up plastic bags to make rhythmic sounds, make some maracas with rice or beans in a sealed tin can...MAKE SOME MUSIC!

I strongly believe children's musical tastes are influenced by what they hear when they are growing up. The more varied the music, the more the child learns what they like or don't like.

Don't despair, my 6 1/2 year old great niece loves The Doors (although I've not yet had to explain to her why Jim was called the Lizard King...that one can wait for a very long time, I think!) :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Cheers




How about some old school 2 Live Crew, I hear that's pretty clean and intellectual.

Pat :D :D :D :D

Medic162
08-11-2004, 08:33 AM
My two daughters have a strange musical foundation here at home. Because I'm a jazz musician, if I'm not squirting water at burning things, or putting bandaids on patients, you can find me practicing on my bass. I wasn't always a jazz guy. In my younger years, you would find an electric guitar in my hands playing any Rush tune you could imagine. In fact, my oldest daughter Alex is named after Alex Lifeson of Rush. So of course they both listen to all the latest "kid music" that has basically NO musical value at all, but I have put the right attitude in them somehow. Routinely, one of my girls will be riding with me somewhere, and my truck radio is always on the local jazz station. It amazes me that as a "Rippingtons" song come on, my daughter will say something like "Dad, can you dub that "Rip" song for me?" I'm doing something right:p