Did Oswald Do It?

[Adze39]

Do you think Oswald did it or do you think he was a patsy?

I personally think the government had something to do with it.

[mcaldwell]

I'm certainly no expert on this, but my gut says 1 shot was Oswald, and 1 shot was a backup gunman on the ground. The forensics just don't seem to pan out.

And if so, I'm sure he was set up to be the patsy. He wasn't your traditional crazy, so he must have been recruited for the job. I won't say that I think the US did it, but if the Russians/Cubans were suspected, I could totally see the US keeping their suspicions quiet to avoid a war. This was the peak of the cold war after all, and a nuclear exchange would have been almost certain. I personally think many people on both sides lost their will to go to war after the Cuban missile crisis.

It's only a matter of time now. Assuming it was some sort of plot or cover up, once everyone involved in the incident and investigation dies off, we'll find out. Maybe another 25 yrs or so.

Don't we just love our conspiracy theories? :D

[NJFFSA16]

I believe there was a second gunman who fired from the area ahead of, and to the right of the President....a.k.a. the grassy knoll. Numerous witnesses say the final shot came from there; many of whom were never interviewed by the Warren Commission. The violent rearward motion of the President's head, when struck by the fatal blow...tells me that the shot came from the knoll, or some place ahead of the vehicle.

Will we ever know.....:rolleyes: the truth?

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

While I do not buy that LBJ, the CIA or the Mafia was responsible, I think that a reasonably objective review of the forensic evidence, as well as the horribly biased report of the Warren Commission gives serious rise that a second gunman, in the vicinity of the highway overpass or at the top of the so-called "grassy knoll", was also shooting at the motorcade.

If anyone would like to read a fascinating account of the forensics of this case, read "Best Evidence" by Daivd Lifton.

[hwoods]

WHO THE @#$%&$# Cares?

Jeez people, bury it, permanently.

[mcaldwell]

AHA!

Something to hide there Woodsy???

You were around in the sixties, just exactly where were you on the day Mr. K was killed? Got any witnesses?

I sense a new conspiracy theory coming on here. ;)

[Engine101]

Is there anyway to to determine if the bullets came from the same gun or if the bullets are diffirent?

Hard to say if I think there was another gunmen wasn't alive back then

[Weruj1]

Dead is still dead ..........I think there was NO conspiracy ..........

[captstanm1]

I agree with NJ on the second gunman and the position of the second shot. It was evidenced, as he said by the radid, violent movement backward and the blood splatter on the back of the car. The first hit him in the back, traveled through him, exiting the area of the trachea and into the back of Connelly and out through the front and the windshield.

Now....who orchestrated the fatal blow will never be known and I think that it is time to put it to rest for good!

[Adze39]

We can analyze his brain that was placed in the National Archives in 1963...oh wait...that's right...they discovered in 1966 that JFK's brain and other evidence magically disappeared out of the National Archives and no one gave a ____ about it...

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

Originally posted by Adze39
We can analyze his brain that was placed in the National Archives in 1963...oh wait...that's right...they discovered in 1966 that JFK's brain and other evidence magically disappeared out of the National Archives and no one gave a ____ about it...

If it was Ted Kennedy's brain, it would have fit on a glass microscope slide.

[hwoods]

Originally posted by GeorgeWendtCFI


If it was Ted Kennedy's brain, it would have fit on a glass microscope slide.

And a small one, at that. :D

[WVFDCap]

'Twas after the conspiracy,
when Oswald took the fall...

Yes, I think that Oswald did shoot at JFK, but too much evidence supports the shot of a second gunman.


Great one, George!! Although I wouldn't have given Teddy the benefit of the doubt like that!!

[FireLt1951]

It was the one armed man I tell ya.

[firefighter26]

Anyone else here seen the Kevin Costner movie "JFK"?

Yeah, I know it was just a movie, but if you have four hours that you don't know what to do with, I suggest you give it a watch, then do some independent research yourself. I am willing to bet that you will be surprised about some of the "coincidences" that are suggested in the movie.

My personal opinion?
I think it was set up from the moment Kennedy arrived in Dallas.

Speaking of Kevin Costner, anyone have any idea why most of his movies are so long?
JFK
Dances with Wolves
Postman
Waterworld
Open Range
Field of Dreams (can't remember how long this one is)
Bull Durham
....just another random thought bouncing around inside my head.....

[mcaldwell]

Well, I can't knock Field of Dreams, because that one is on my personal "top 5 movies" list, but the others certainly put you to sleep. "Waterworld", what the hell was he thinking? :rolleyes:

JFK was a good movie though, and certainly helped to bring/keep the controversy in the limelight.

[Adze39]

If we are listing Kevin Costner movies, let's not forget "The Untouchables"!

[Dalmatian90]

Obviously, the grassy knoll shooter.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Southwest/12/12/dealey.shooting.ap/index.html

Now can we put this conspiracy stuff to rest, you bunch of friggin' Ollie Stones...

[mcaldwell]

Not so fast Dal,

The story says this:

According to the Dallas County Medical Examiner's office, the man, who was not immediately identified, was in his 40s.

Kennedy was fatally shot as his motorcade drove through Dealey Plaza on November 22, 1963.


That would make this guy less than ten years old at the time of the shooting.

Although, it does give credence to the little reported theory that the second gunman fired from the daycare centre on the main floor of the book depository. ;)

[NJFFSA16]

Another JFK assassination mystery: Who is Nick Beef?


Jack Douglas Jr.
Fort Worth Star-Telegram
Mar. 9, 2005 12:00 AM

FORT WORTH - The name is etched on a pink granite tombstone only inches from the grave of one of the most notorious killers in American history.

"Nick Beef."

The neighboring gravestone, nearly identical, says merely:

"Oswald."

Lee Harvey Oswald was buried Nov. 25, 1963, in east Fort Worth's Rose Hill Cemetery. It was three days after the assassination of President John F. Kennedy in downtown Dallas and one day after Oswald was fatally shot by Dallas nightclub owner Jack Ruby.

Oswald's mother, Marguerite, who died Jan. 17, 1981, is buried next to him. The Beef marker is on the other side. It is not clear who placed the Beef tombstone, or exactly when it appeared.

The rectangular tombstones are the same size. Each bears only a name, without the customary inscription of date of birth and death. On holidays, when the cemetery blooms with flowers from loved ones, both plots typically remain barren.

But there is one big difference between the two grave sites: "Nick Beef's" is empty.

Just about every aspect of Oswald's life and death has been examined and re-examined by reporters, history buffs and conspiracy theorists, all looking for another small clue as to what drove him to kill the president.

But the Beef marker, so close to the infamous grave, is virtually unknown to some of the most veteran scholars of the Kennedy assassination.

"I've just never, ever, run across that name," said Gary Mack, curator of the Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza, where Oswald fired the shots into Kennedy's motorcade.

Deby Alexander, general manager of Shannon Rose Hill Funeral Chapel & Cemetery, said no "interment card" is on file for the Nick Beef plot.

"A burial," she said, "has not been done there."

Alexander said she cannot reveal who owns the plot, for privacy reasons. She has heard the unsubstantiated accounts, many of them circulated on the Internet, that the marker was placed by a comedian with the stage name Nick Beef.

So where's the humor in placing a fake grave site next to a man who killed a president?

"We've scratched our heads about this for a long time," said Barb Junkkarinen, a self-described JFK researcher who lives in Forest Grove, Ore.

Junkkarinen said she first saw the Beef marker in November 1998, when she visited Rose Hill while attending a Dallas event commemorating the assassination.

Another assassination buff, Arthur Snyder, a scientist and researcher for Stanford University, said he also noticed the Beef stone in 1998. It wasn't there a year earlier, Snyder said, when he and his wife visited Oswald's grave.

"We were shocked to see it there," said Snyder, of Palo Alto, Calif.

Snyder and Junkkarinen said they were among a group of JFK/Oswald enthusiasts who sought out Rose Hill workers to find out about the new marker.

Junkkarinen said several workers told them that "Nick Beef" was the stage name for a comedian from the Northeast who paid $2,000 for the plot.

The comedian bought the plot, the group was told, as part of an act in which he told audiences they could get directions to Oswald's grave by asking Rose Hill employees for the Beef burial site.

The workers are not allowed to divulge the location of Oswald's grave.

"Only thing is, now they won't tell people where Nick Beef's grave is either!" Junkkarinen wrote on a Web site.

Alexander, the general manager at Rose Hill, acknowledged that curiosity-seekers are not told how to find his grave at the sprawling cemetery, out of respect for his relatives.

"The family is very private about it," she said.

Among the veteran journalists, scholars and members of the entertainment world who have studied the assassination, few know about the "Nick Beef" mystery.

It is a piece of an unsolved puzzle that never came up when Oscar-winning director Oliver Stone was doing his research for the 1991 movie JFK.

"He's never heard of this guy's name before," said Rob Wilson, a spokesman for Stone.



Computerized property records suggest only one possibility - that a "Nick Beef" might have lived in a high-rise apartment complex in New York during the mid- to late 1990s. The spot is in Manhattan's trendy West Village, known for its nightspots and comedy clubs.

But there is no phone number for a "Nick Beef," and several residents of the complex said they do not remember a neighbor by such a name.

A block from the complex is the Comedy Cellar, one of New York's most established stage-comedy clubs. Estee Adoram, manager and 23-year veteran employee of the Comedy Cellar, said she doubts that a comic has ever tried to make people laugh about the Kennedy assassination.

She added, "I don't think there was a stand-up comedian by this name."

[StayBack500FT]

Yes, but did video kill the radio star?

[NJFFSA16]

Okay. So why didn't Oswald take the easy shot at the President...as the limo approached the Texas School Book Depository head on? Why did he wait for the vehicle to pass directly beneath him....drive 250 yards away...and then decide to shoot?

And then there's that pristine bullet. Hmmmm.

[CaptOldTimer]

Originally posted by hwoods
WHO THE @#$%&$# Cares?

Jeez people, bury it, permanently.



Amen Brother. It is in the pass and all are dead. No one is going to reappear!!!!!

For my 2 cents, Oswald wasn't on that floor and didn't shoot. He was a scap goat like Ray was in Memphis!!!


:rolleyes: