Let's Go Yankees

[E40FDNYL35]

:cool:

[RspctFrmCalgary]

Guess its that time of year to start paying attention and pick a team to root for :p

*whispers HOCKEY HOCKEY HOCKEY*

hehehe

Do your Yankees have a better chance at winning the World Series than your Jets the Super Bowl? hehehe :D

[E40FDNYL35]

J - E - T - S
Just End The Season... :(

[RspctFrmCalgary]

hehehehe :D

I feel your pain, the Stampeders stunk up the joint this year (CFL) :rolleyes:

[Weruj1]

I am with Sheri, but for Ray's sake ...............sure go Yanks !

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

Do your Yankees have a better chance at winning the World Series than your Jets the Super Bowl?

The Yankees have a better chance of winning the World Series than the Jets do of winning another game, no less the Super Bowl.

[ffdfireexplorer]

have 2 say Red Sox the best.

[E229Lt]

Do your Yankees have a better chance at winning the World Series than your Jets the Super Bowl?


The Yankees have a better chance of winning the SUPERBOWL than the Jets!

[NJFFSA16]

World Series Championships

New York Yankees AL 26 1923, '27, '28, '32, '36, '37, '38, '39, '41, '43, '47, '49, '50,
'51, '52, '53, '56, '58, '61, '62, '77, '78, '96, '98, '99, '00

St. Louis Cardinals NL 9 1926, '31, '34 '42, '44, '46 '64, '67, '82
New York Giants NL 5 1905, '21, '22, '33, '54
Philadelphia Athletics AL 5 1910, '11, '13, '29, '30
Boston Red Sox AL 5 1903, '12, '15, '16, '18
Pittsburgh Pirates NL 5 1909, '25, '60, '71, '79
Los Angeles Dodgers NL 5 1959, '63, '65, '81, '88
Cincinnati Reds NL 5 1919, '40, '75, '76, '90
Detroit Tigers AL 4 1935, '45, '68, '84
Oakland Athletics AL 4 1972, '73, '74, '89
Baltimore Orioles AL 3 1966, '70, '83
Chicago White Sox AL 2 1906, '17
Chicago Cubs NL 2 1907, '08
Cleveland Indians AL 2 1920 '48
Minnesota Twins AL 2 1987, '91
New York Mets NL 2 1969, '86
Toronto Blue Jays AL 2 1992, '93
Anaheim Angels AL 1 2002
Arizona Diamondbacks NL 1 2001
Atlanta Braves NL 1 1995
Boston Braves NL 1 1914
Brooklyn Dodgers NL 1 1955
Florida Marlins NL 1 1997
Milwaukee Braves NL 1 1957
Philadelphia Phillies NL 1 1980
Kansas City Royals AL 1 1985
Washington Senators AL 1 1924

To those who claim the Yankees "bought" all those championships, with huge salaries.....It should be noted that "Big Bucks" George Steinbrenner and his group have only owned the team since 1973. By then, the Yankees had already won 20 World Series Championships.

[Adze39]

All I gotta say is we have a damn curse on us

[Bones42]

Big Bucks" George Steinbrenner and his group have only owned the team since 1973 Yankees were big money long before Steinbrenner. Always were, always will be.

[E229Lt]

Most of that "Big Money" is spent on players like:

Bernie Williams
Derek Jeter
Andy Pettite
Jorge Posada
Alfonso Soriano
Mariano Rivera

Hmmmmmmmmmm, a trend? Yeah, they're all homegrown talent.

Now toss in Giambi, Clemens and Mussina and you have three Big Money free agents aquired by the Yankees. Not any more than any other team, except Tampa Bay.

Matsui, you say? Can't go there, he's competing for Rookie of the Year, but I won't go so far as to call him homegrown.

[FlyingKiwi]

Rugby players do not wear pads or helmets, and they play 80 minutes of Rugby.

Strangely enough it takes 80 minutes for the game to be played, oh thats right, they don't swap teams every 15 seconds.

[RspctFrmCalgary]

Originally posted by FlyingKiwi
Rugby players do not wear pads or helmets, and they play 80 minutes of Rugby.

Strangely enough it takes 80 minutes for the game to be played, oh thats right, they don't swap teams every 15 seconds.

Kiwi do I sense a challenge in the offing .... which is better (read tougher? hehehe) rugby or football? hmmmmmmmm perhaps with some ummmm demonstrations to be waged at the Crusty Convention next summer? :D :p


**note to self: check with Jenn to see if there's a place for field type sports at the campground she has in mind**

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

Most of that "Big Money" is spent on players like:

Bernie Williams
Derek Jeter
Andy Pettite
Jorge Posada
Alfonso Soriano
Mariano Rivera

Hmmmmmmmmmm, a trend? Yeah, they're all homegrown talent.

Awww, 229, you let the cat out of the bag too early. You have to go deeper in the argument, then ask people what teams those guys played for before they became Yankees. THEN go for the facts.

But you are right on the money. Two other thoughts

1. Clemens, Giambi, Mussina and Matsui have earned every penny they are paid.

2. You mean Tampa Bay, as in "Thank God for the Detroit Tigers being worse than us", Tampa Bay?

[E229Lt]

I mean Tampa Bay as in "A-Rod makes more than the whole team"

As for the Tigers, one of our mis-guided Met fans at work are praying they beat out the 1962 Mets for the worst season in history.

Speaking of the Mets, I think, as of February, they had the second highest payroll in Baseball, they're dead last in thier division.

Number three in salary, Texas. Again, dead last in thier division.

It takes more than high priced "talent" to win.

[ffdfireexplorer]

Originally posted by FlyingKiwi
Rugby players do not wear pads or helmets, and they play 80 minutes of Rugby.

Strangely enough it takes 80 minutes for the game to be played, oh thats right, they don't swap teams every 15 seconds.

have to say rugby is the most confusing sport in the world i never know whats going on.

[FlyingKiwi]

THE FORWARDS

There are eight forwards. They take part in scrums, lineouts, rucks, and mauls - essentially everything that is meaningful in the game. The close physical work necessary for the forwards engenders a sense of comradeship not shared by the prancing, self-centered and effeminate backs. The game has evolved, thank goodness, with multi-phase possession allowing the forwards to demonstrate their running ability with the ball.

Props and Hookers

The front row is the cauldron, the foundation for all good rugby play. The front row is noted for their power and good looks, like no necks, battered ears, and S-shaped noses. Such players are noted for their intelligence and longevity well into their forties.

Second Row

The second row is the engine room where the power flows. The second row - or lock forward - is tall, with plenty of leverage strength in the legs. He must be productive in the lineouts as a jumper or supporter. Mobility is added plus. The second row is much appreciated by the front row for their power in the scrummage but they are generally not as good looking as the front row.

The loose forwards

The loose forwards include the #8 and the flankers. The loose forwards are respected by the front row for their mobility, fitness, defense and support work. The loosey must have tremendous fitness and ball fetching instincts which are not completely understood or trusted by the props and hooker, who are perfectly content to scrummage all day for the ball.

The Scrum-half

The little scrum half provides the ball to the backs when the forwards are damn well ready for the strutting backs to knock it forward. The forwards have grudging respect for the scrum-half because he trys hard and is not afraid to get dirty with the rest of the scrummies. The wise scrum-half will drink and buy beers for the scrummies to maintain his favoured position with the forwards.

THE BACKS

The Flyhalf

It is rumoured that the Fly has the best vision, hands, kicking ability, and overall tactical decision making ability on the side. The forwards do not understand or trust this individual. The hard-working scrummies generally expect and anticipate a knock forward from the fly so they can have the pleasure of another scrum-down.

The Centres

These hombres are supposed to be deadly tacklers, with strong running instincts and good hands. Alas, the centers are lumped in there with the prancing flyhalf. If the fly doesn't knock on, surely one of the centers will muff it up so the scrummies can experience the joy and satisfaction of another scrum-down.

The Fullback and Wingers

These guys may as well be from Mars. They are allegedly fast with excellent striking ability. They are supposed to score lots of trys, catch the high ball, and counter attack with flair. But the stark reality (well understood by the forwards) is that the fullback and wingers prance and preen more than the inside backs. They don't get dirty and are always playing with their hair and pulling on their collars. In fact their sexual orientation has been called into question on numerous occasions. Some props think fullbacks and wingers are "real purdy."

___________________

Why do people tend to hate Australian Rugby players on sight?
Because it saves time.

___________________

There's a man sitting in the front row at the Rugby World Cup Finals, but amazingly, there's an empty seat beside him. Another man spots it, goes up to him and says: "Do you mind if I sit here?"
"No, not at all," replies the first man. "It's my wife's seat, but she's just died."
"So why didn't you get one of your family to come," asks the second man out of curiosity.
"They're all at the funeral."

____________

And to really help you out



Kiwi to American Language conversion (http://nz.com/NZ/Culture/NZDic.html)

[Robertsc]

GO RED SOX !!!!!!!!! :P
GO PATS !!!!!!!!!

[NJFFSA16]

Even the Mets beat Boston in '86. Perhaps Buckner wasn't getting paid enough?:D

1918
Is there a "worse curse?"

Chicago White Sox 1917
Chicago Cubs 1908

Oh my...:p Cubbies.....95 years.

[MIKEYLIKESIT]

Chicago White Sox 6 New York Yankees 3 ..in 10 innings..Damn Sox always a day late and a dollar short.

[NJFFSA16]

MIKEYLIKESIT....One heck of a game! The champagne will have to wait....:D

As for Jeff Weaver....:mad:

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

Originally posted by NJFFSA16
MIKEYLIKESIT....One heck of a game! The champagne will have to wait....:D

As for Jeff Weaver....:mad:

Jeff Weaver is a David Wells wannabe head case. Torre is foolish for thinking he can snap out of it. I hope he is released at the end of the season.

[NJFFSA16]

That's one small step for Joe...one giant leap for NY.

Now the season starts!:D

[E40FDNYL35]

:cool:

[E229Lt]

YAWWWN

We won again?

[Ltmdepas3280]

Did someone say BAMBINO.....Lets go Yankees!!!!!!!!!!!:D

[WannabeintheFD]

Did someone say BAMBINO.....Lets go Yankees!!!!!!!!!!!

who?:rolleyes:

[MIKEYLIKESIT]

Being the thick-headed Sox fan I am, I attended yesterdays final home game vs. The Yankees. Esteban Loaiza earned his 20th win. If the Sox could only play the Yankees when they are hungover all the time...

[NJFFSA16]

Twins win game 1. Oh...the pain. >takes deep breath<

What...me worry?:D

[Dalmatian90]

Hehehe...

All I can say is it's time to Cowboy Up.

:p

[E40FDNYL35]

Oh you of little faith...

[E229Lt]

Anyone want to bet the Twins...straight up??????

[gfowlston]

GO TWINS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

Originally posted by E40FDNYL35
Oh you of little faith...

Remember when they got blown out, not lost, but blown out, of games 1&2 against the Braves? They came back and won four straight.

[Ltmdepas3280]

Can you feel the love.....I sure can......Yankees.............! !!

[NJFFSA16]

Game 2. Seat belts fastened please!

The sleeping giant has awakened.......! And on the Left Coast, the Bambino has stirred!

[manofire2]

Originally posted by FlyingKiwi
Rugby players do not wear pads or helmets, and they play 80 minutes of Rugby.

Strangely enough it takes 80 minutes for the game to be played, oh thats right, they don't swap teams every 15 seconds.

When I played we went 90 minutes, but I'm old.

Don't forget those are Metric Minutes as well. Unfortunately I don't have my Metric Conversion Calculator with me or I could tell you how much that would be in Imperial Minutes, I only know that it is conciderably longer...

[EFD840]

Originally posted by GeorgeWendtCFI


Remember when they got blown out, not lost, but blown out, of games 1&2 against the Braves? They came back and won four straight.

Bad example, George.

The Braves can't beat anybody in October!:(

[NJFFSA16]

Oakland 5 Boston 1

The CURSE of the Bambin:eek:.

Full Name: George Herman Ruth
Bats: Left Throws: Left
Height: 6-2 Weight: 215
Born: Feb 6, 1895 in Baltimore, Maryland
Died: Aug 16, 1948 in New York, New York
College: None
Major League Debut: Jul 11, 1914
Last Major League appearance: Oakland, CA on October 2, 2003....will he appear again in Beantown?

[E40FDNYL35]

October 3, 2003 -- GAME 2

Yankees 4 - Twins 1 :cool:




:eek:To go 85 years without a championship, you have to be cursed.

[E229Lt]

Red-Sox, they'll break your heart

They lose each year before they start

The more the fans watch, the worse they feel

And all because of a Ruthian deal.

[CaptainGonzo]

'Tis all the fault of Harry Frazee
to finance a show on Broadway, you see
the Sox haven't won since 1918
but we still love our old home town team
we've been in situations a hell of a lot worse
but this is may be the year we Reverse the Curse!

[E40FDNYL35]

if you didn't hear 3-1....1 more to go

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

Ahhhhh, the old Mariano is back. Too bad this is over tomorrow. I have tix for Monday.

[E40FDNYL35]

me too:(

[E40FDNYL35]

NEXT... :cool:

[NJFFSA16]

"Ballgame over...Yankees win. Thuhuhuhuhuhuhuh Yankees win!"

[E229Lt]

LET'S GO RED SOX

All I want is a NY vs. Boston ALCS. That will be my world series, no matter who the victory goes to. But, of course, that's predestined.

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

Anybody want to buy 2 tix to Game 5, Yankee Stadium, Upper Tier Box, Sec. 6 behind home plate? Why am I selling them?

Because my team kicked Shannon Stewart and Co.'s butt.

BTW, if it weren't for two errors and a spectacular catch by Stewart, the brooms would have been out.

[Dalmatian90]

LET'S GO RED SOX

All I can say LT...

Bring on the Cubs :D

Cowboy Up

[NJFFSA16]

Here comes Boston....into "The House that Ruth Built."

Enter the Bambino....stage right!:D

[CaptainGonzo]

GO RED SOX!
Cowboy up! Reverse the Curse!

[Adze39]

COWBOY UP, BABY, COWBOY UP!!!

*Starting a chant in the boonies of CT*
Let's Go Red Sox!

*claps hands*

Let's Go Red Sox!

*claps hands*



--------------------------


At least Red Sox fans can never be accused of being bandwagon fans!!! *cough**cough*

[E40FDNYL35]

I guess we are going to hear from all you Yankee "haters" now... ; Well all I can say is bring it on.

[tanker5117]

:D Lets go YANKEES :D

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

Thoughts after last night's Red sox game:

1. Johnny Damon is lucky to be alive. I hate Boston, but he busts his butt. That was one of the nastiest hits I have ever seen. That's why they wear helmets in football.

2. Manny Ramirez deserved to have a baseball screwed into his ear after that bush league display.

3. Derek Lowe is a loser. The A's did nothing to warrant the obscene gesture. Great example for the kids.

4. Yankees in 6.

[Bones42]

E40, I'm not a Yankee hater, I'm more of a Phillies hater. But I do like my Red Sox. Just hoping it's a good series...

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

I gotta ask.

What in the hell does "cowboy up" mean?

[EFD840]

Oh no, my world is destroyed! George doesn't know everything ;) :D ;) :D .

It means something like "Suck it up and get the job done". I started hearing it after Bruce Willis used the line in "Tears of the Sun".

[Dalmatian90]

George, I'll let you know, oh, about 11:30 Monday evening I'm figurin'...

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

Originally posted by Dalmatian90
George, I'll let you know, oh, about 11:30 Monday evening I'm figurin'...

In other words, you are talking a sweep? That's nuts. They may win, but there is not going to be a sweep.

[Dalmatian90]

You're math is off George :)

Wednesday, October 8 1 Away --
Thursday, October 9 2 Away --
Saturday, October 11 3 Fenway Park
Sunday, October 12 4 Fenway Park
Monday, October 13 5* Fenway Park
Wednesday, October 15 6* Away --
Thursday, October 16 7* Away --

[manofire2]

Not including the cities involved in the games, I would have to say that from my observation most of the free world is cheering along with me for a Sox vs Cubs World series.

Dare I predict the end of the curse of the Bambino or has that been replaced with the curse of the Rocket.

[HFDEXP777]

did anyone else happen to catch the HUGE babe ruth pictures up all over the stadium in oakland? i know i lmao:D

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

Originally posted by Dalmatian90
You're math is off George :)

Wednesday, October 8 1 Away --
Thursday, October 9 2 Away --
Saturday, October 11 3 Fenway Park
Sunday, October 12 4 Fenway Park
Monday, October 13 5* Fenway Park
Wednesday, October 15 6* Away --
Thursday, October 16 7* Away --

Got me. I thought they were off on Sun.

[RspctFrmCalgary]

That's ok the Yankees will win tonight. It was all that kid's fault anyway :rolleyes: :D

Now the Cubbies game, THAT was exciting! LOL I kept bouncing back and forth between the two channels! dmsmith and I were doing play by play of both games in the crusty chat, it was fun :D

[Bones42]

It means something like "Suck it up and get the job done". I started hearing it after Bruce Willis used the line in "Tears of the Sun". I didn't know either. I thought it had something to do with Cowboys beating the Giants, Cowboys beating the Jets. Thought it was just a term to mean beat a NY team. :p

[EFD840]

I had never heard it before that movie, but I couldn't resist a chance to pick on George.

Then again, I'm a Braves fan. I guess I really should just sit in the corner and try to learn how fans of real baseball teams act.:eek:

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

That's ok the Yankees will win tonight. It was all that kid's fault anyway

From every angle I saw it, it was fair. It never ceases to amaze me how NY fans delight in interfering with play. Did you see that moron on his cell phone right after he did it?

Three or four lousy hits cost the Yankees the game. Three or four lousy pitches by Mussina (0-2 to Ortiz and you throw heat down the center?). Not that kid.

[ffdfireexplorer]

Originally posted by RspctFrmCalgary
It was all that kid's fault anyway :rolleyes: :D


Sox woulda won with out that homerun

[manofire2]

Originally posted by FlyingKiwi
THE FORWARDS

.

Second Row

The second row is the engine room where the power flows. The second row - or lock forward - is tall, with plenty of leverage strength in the legs. He must be productive in the lineouts as a jumper or supporter. Mobility is added plus. The second row is much appreciated by the front row for their power in the scrummage but they are generally not as good looking as the front row.


Kiwi to American Language conversion (http://nz.com/NZ/Culture/NZDic.html)

From my angle as one who played #8 for almost 20 years, anyone in first or second row are butt ugly (yes there is a pun intended)

[Dalmatian90]

If you want a good chuckle (and to get a sense of how New Englanders really feel about the Yankees...), here's Boston.com's Headline Contest:
http://www.boston.com/sports/message_board/headlines/100903/msg1.shtml

Hell...I'm hoping the Yankees win tonight to calm us all down.

I'll tell you I've seen Huskimania in Connecticut, I've seen Patriots go to the Superbowl. I can even remember when the Celtics used to win.

But I've never seen such a sense of "blood in the water" I've seen today from sports fans in New England, from the radio to the papers to the street. I think everyone was pretty much expecting the Sox to flop last night after the long series and short rest. Fenway is going to be rocking this weekend to say the least -- heck, I'm gonna be at a hockey game Saturday evening and it's probably gonna be nutzo in there. And like one of the FDNY guys said, *this* is the series -- who cares about the outcome of the one after it!

[Dalmatian90]

Nice thing about the web...you be your own editor.

Gleanings from today's Boston.com (a part of the Boston Globe, which like my paper the Worcester Telegram, is owned by the New York Times, which is a minority owner of the Red Sox...figure that one out!)

NEW YORK -- They have now played 21 games, and it's Yanks 11, Sox 10.
By Sunday, they will have played more games against each other in legitimate (i.e. non-spring training) competition than any Red Sox and Highlander/Yankee teams have ever played in 101 seasons of American League play.

That's all you need to know about what's going on here.

Today is a day of -- ha-ha -- "rest." True, there is no ballgame. But there will be a great deal of conversation. I mean, geez, all we have to look forward to tomorrow afternoon is a matchup of two of the greatest pitchers who have ever walked onto a mound. Between them, Roger Clemens and Pedro Martinez have nine Cy Young Awards, a total that will surely swell because Pedro is far from finished.

Red Sox GM Theo Epstein said that he's heard L'affair de Pedro et Roger Deux is the single toughest ticket to get in Boston sports history.

[E40FDNYL35]

:mad: :mad: WAR:mad: :mad:

BOSTON SUCKS -- Pedro Martinez threw 72-year-old Yankees bench coach Don Zimmer to the ground during a bench-clearing melee that interrupted Game 3 of the AL championship series Saturday.

After play resumed, Ramirez struck out on the next pitch.:D :D :D

Zimmer has been in professional baseball for 54 years.

[RspctFrmCalgary]

That was f'n WILD!

[E40FDNYL35]

Yankees players and staff tend to Don Zimmer after he is knocked to the ground. :mad:

[E40FDNYL35]

Let's Go Yankees

[E229Lt]

OHHHHHHH Boston, You must be proud!

[CaptainGonzo]

The Gerbil should have stayed in the dugout!

[RspctFrmCalgary]

What a wacky game! And then you get a groundskeeper jumping in the bullpen and Garcia getting hurt!

[Ltmdepas3280]

COWBOY THIS RED SOX!!!!!! LET'S GO YANKEES...!!!!

[dmsmith]

Now I know why they call it "Beantown" LOL!

[E40FDNYL35]

:cool:

[RspctFrmCalgary]

I just heard Zimmer was taken to hospital to get checked out. Fox just showed him on a stretcher :eek:

[RspctFrmCalgary]

Oct 11, 10:43 PM EDT

2 Yankees Face Charges for Bullpen Fight

By MARK PRATT
Associated Press Writer

BOSTON (AP) -- Two Yankees will be charged with assaulting a Fenway Park worker who was cheering for the Red Sox in the New York bullpen during the AL championship series Saturday night, police said.

Police spokesman Michael McCarthy did not release the names of the players, but Red Sox spokesman Charles Steinberg said Jeff Nelson and Karim Garcia were the players involved.

"The Red Sox are terribly concerned and distressed about the attack on our employee tonight," Steinberg said.

The Yankees denied the players were to blame in the fight with Paul Williams, a member of the ballpark's grounds crew.

"A security incident like this would never be tolerated at Yankee Stadium," president Randy Levine told The Associated Press. "Unfortunately, there was an atmosphere of lawlessness that was allowed to be perpetrated all day long. The events of the entire day were disgraceful and shameful, and if it happened at our ballpark, we would apologize, and that's what the Red Sox should do here."

With tempers already high following a bench-clearing melee earlier in the game, Nelson took exception to Williams cheering for the Red Sox while in the New York bullpen, and he told Williams so.

"He was standing in our bullpen waving the rally flag," Nelson said, following New York's 4-3 win over the Sox in Game 3 of the AL championship series. "I told him, 'If you're rooting for the Red Sox, why don't you go in their bullpen.' He jumped in my face and tried to take a swing at me."

Williams acknowledged pumping his fist twice while holding a white towel after the Red Sox turned a double play in the ninth inning, Steinberg said.

"If that was in poor taste, or poor judgment, it certainly didn't warrant a beating," Steinberg said.

Williams had cleat marks on his back and his arm, and he may have been kicked in the mouth, Steinberg said. He was recuperating at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, the Red Sox spokesman said.

The Red Sox also said that two police officers in the bullpen backed Williams' story. McCarthy said police considered Williams the victim in the fight.

Copyright 2003 Associated Press. All rights reserved.

[Dalmatian90]

What the hell was that yesterday? A Hockey game where Baseball broke out???

[NJFFSA16]

The pitch thrown at Garcia...well, that may be part of the game. But after watching Pedro taunting the Yankee dugout, clearly indicating he was going to throw at someone else's head.....MLB should take a good look at that.

Martinez will never have my respect. He needs HIS head examined. The pitch to Ramirez? Clearly Up, over the plate..but nowhere close to hitting him. Any arguments there?

As far as throwing Zimmer to the ground goes...wow Pedro. Aren't you the big man. Maybe they should call it the Curse of Pedro from now on?

Play Ball!

[CaptainGonzo]

Originally posted by NJFFSA16
The pitch thrown at Garcia...well, that may be part of the game. But after watching Pedro taunting the Yankee dugout, clearly indicating he was going to throw at someone else's head.....MLB should take a good look at that.

I think it's called psychological warfare...

Martinez will never have my respect. He needs HIS head examined.

There are a lot of ballplayers who could benefit from counseling!

The pitch to Ramirez? Clearly Up, over the plate..but nowhere close to hitting him. Any arguments there?

Nope... I saw it as high and inside.

As far as throwing Zimmer to the ground goes...wow Pedro. Aren't you the big man. Maybe they should call it the Curse of Pedro from now on?

Zimmer charged out of the dugout and went after Pedro. What was he supposed to do... let the Gerbil attack him and injure him? Pedro's move was defensive. Zimmer should have stayed in the dugout or tried to get the players on both sides to calm down, not go after Pedro.

Jeff Nelson and Karim Garcia's assault on a groundskeeper: no class at all!

[MIKEYLIKESIT]

Having no love for either team allows me to remain somewhat objective. There was no way in hell that Clemens pitch was high and inside..It was REALLY high and just about over the plate..Ramirez picked the wrong pitch to get excited about... If Clemens was gonna plunk him , he would have done it the right way.

[SmokeyNY]

I think it is funny to see how everyone sees something different, and it depends on which team you like.
As a Mets fan who hates both teams, Pedro should have been tossed for unsportsmanlike-like conduct when he pointed to the Yankees dugout and gestured that he would hit someone in the head. That is not psychological ware fare, that is a threat. Zimmer should have been tossed for swinging at Pedro. Can't say anything about the grounds keeper thing, we don't really know what happened yet. Both teams lack any type of class.

[dmsmith]

I just watched a film clip of a very apologetic and emotional Don Zimmer on TV, where he almost broke down about how embarassed he was about what happened yesterday:


Zimmer apologizes for role in fracas

ASSOCIATED PRESS

BOSTON, Oct. 12 — Don Zimmer’s voice quivered, his body shook. A day after one of the nastiest games in the long-running Yankees-Red Sox feud, New York’s 72-year-old bench coach apologized for his role in a melee that left him sprawled on the ground.


HE WAS FINED, along with Pedro Martinez and Manny Ramirez of the Red Sox and Karim Garcia of the Yankees, the central players in the fights that interrupted New York’s 4-3 win Saturday in Game 3 of the AL championship series. "I’m embarrassed at what happened,” Zimmer said, fighting back tears. “I’m embarrassed for the Yankees, the Red Sox, the fans, the umpires and my family.

“That’s all I have to say. I’m sorry,” he said, immediately getting up from his chair and leaving the interview room to return to the New York clubhouse. Yankees manager Joe Torre gave him a pat on the back.
Zimmer, a former Boston manager, went across the infield, from the Yankees’ dugout on the third-base side all the way to the first-base side and lunged at Martinez, who grabbed him by the head and tossed him to the ground.

Zimmer left the ballpark on a stretcher and was taken to a hospital with what the Yankees said Sunday was a strained left groin.
“I was hurting,” Zimmer said Sunday.

Game 4 was postponed because of rain and rescheduled for Monday night.
Right after Martinez threw a pitch behind Garcia’s head and nicked him in the shoulder in the fourth inning Saturday, Zimmer started screaming from the dugout. “Don Zimmer is a very emotional, shoot-from-the-hip guy,” Torre said. “I think he basically feels badly about all of the attention this had gotten. He’s very proud, very independent, and yet (for) all of that gruff exterior, people who do know him understand what a softy he is.”

Zimmer was fined $5,000 Sunday by Bob Watson, baseball’s vice president in charge of discipline, according to a baseball executive who spoke on the condition of anonymity. Martinez was fined $50,000, Ramirez $25,000 and Garcia $10,000, the executive said.
Boston owner John Henry was pleased with Zimmer’s apology.
“I wouldn’t mind seeing the same thing coming from our side,” he said.
Red Sox first baseman Kevin Millar was happy to hear Zimmer’s remarks. “We accept and it’s an awesome thing for him to do,” Millar said. “I don’t think there will be any carry-over. We’re going to try and win a baseball game. That other stuff was a side show.”
Boston center fielder Johnny Damon said Zimmer was “doing the right thing.” “Hopefully, we can get apologies over there to them because of what happened yesterday,” Damon said. “If I was involved, I’d apologize. But then, Zimmer wasn’t coming after my life, he was coming after Pedro’s.”

Zim has always been a class act. It took alot of courage to get in front of those cameras and say those words.


__________________

[Dalmatian90]

Hope the Sox are listening to John Henry!

Hopefully today's rainout gives everyone time to cool their jets...

And then the apologetic Sox can cowboy up and kick some Yankee ass (figuratively!!!)

[Duffman]

Garcia: I am still not sure that pitch hit him.

Should have left the field after being thrown out at second and not said a word to anybody.

Ramirez: Was looking for a reason to fight.

Clemens: If he wanted to hit Manny, would have drilled him on the first pitch.

Pedro: Was defending himself, regardless of age, Zim was the agresssor.

Zimmer: The ambulance ride two hours after the incident was pure theater.

The Yankees bullpen: No place for a Red Sox groundskeeper to be waving a towel and pumping his fists. But still no excuse for Garcia jumping the wall. That will cost him big.

[RspctFrmCalgary]

LET'S GO YANKEES, LET'S GO!!
LET'S GO YANKEES, LET'S GO!!

Only 10 hrs to wait for game time :D :D

[E40FDNYL35]

Pedro's the one who got everybody into this mess. Which begs the question: How come Sox stars behave like babies when they are in Boston, then mature when they go someplace else? Which one would you rather have now, Sox fans? Roger Clemens who kept his composure and behaved like a professional Saturday night, winning the game for his team despite his obvious anger? Or Pedro, the baby who hits a guy after he blows a lead, then points at his head and at Yankee catcher Jorge Posada, threatening "you're next"?

:cool:

[MIKEYLIKESIT]

With all due respect to Zim...(Who I happen to get a kick out of) THERES NO CRYING IN BASEBALL

[Weruj1]

how about no acting like jackasses disgracing the nations pastime ?

[Bones42]

Then don't watch major league baseball. Last time any of these guys played for the love of the game was when they were in the minors or college. Now, it's just about the paycheck. :(

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

Originally posted by Duffman
Garcia: I am still not sure that pitch hit him.

Should have left the field after being thrown out at second and not said a word to anybody.

Ramirez: Was looking for a reason to fight.

Clemens: If he wanted to hit Manny, would have drilled him on the first pitch.

Pedro: Was defending himself, regardless of age, Zim was the agresssor.

Zimmer: The ambulance ride two hours after the incident was pure theater.

The Yankees bullpen: No place for a Red Sox groundskeeper to be waving a towel and pumping his fists. But still no excuse for Garcia jumping the wall. That will cost him big.

Garcia: Agreed
Ramirez: Agreed. Or it was premeditated to try to get Clemens tossed.
Clemens: Agreed.
Martinez: BS! A world class athlete defending himself from what? A 72 YOA cripple with a plate in his head. He is a panzy and he should be suspended for the remainder of the post season )of course he won't).
Zim: Probably. But I'll bet he didn't orchestrate it.

[manofire2]

Has this series gone from the sublime to the rediculous or what. I' wondering what comes next in the series of one-upmanship. First Yankees have Timlins glove and hat looked at, last game the Red Sox have the ump look under Nelsons belt. What is the next volley? Perhaps the Yankees will ask for a strip search on the mound. I hope both these teams will decide that now we are down to a best of three and just maybe it's time to play baseball.

By the way George, allthough I have a great regard for Zimmer, when someone charges at you in the heat of the moment you don't think to ask him for his birth certificate. In the interview shortly after the "event", Zimmer accepted that he shouldn't have charged Martinez and his getting hurt was his own fault. Yankee fans should accept it as well. There's an old saying "If you don't want the horn, don't play with the bull."

That doesn't in anyway excuse the actions of the Red Sox and Martinez should show the same class that Zimmer did and apologize as well.

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

when someone charges at you in the heat of the moment you don't think to ask him for his birth certificate.

Do you know what Zimmer looks like? He is 72 years old. He has a severe limp. He is one of the best known baseball people around. He sits in the dugout across from Martinez 20 times or so per year. Martinez knew exactly who Zim was and what he was all about.

He was in a baseball fight, not a mugging in an alley.

Martinez is a girl.

[E229Lt]

Guess what? (http://www.davidyounker.com/bronxbombersounds/yankswin.wav)

[Dalmatian90]

Somebody pass the Goldschlager...

[NJFFSA16]

Originally posted by E229Lt
Guess what?

That was "sterling" Lt.!!!

[E229Lt]

I hear Nomar and Mia moved their wedding up to this weekend...since they don't have anything else to do.

[manofire2]

Originally posted by GeorgeWendtCFI


Do you know what Zimmer looks like? He is 72 years old. He has a severe limp. He is one of the best known baseball people around. He sits in the dugout across from Martinez 20 times or so per year. Martinez knew exactly who Zim was and what he was all about.

He was in a baseball fight, not a mugging in an alley.

Martinez is a girl.

I don't care if Zimmer was 99 years old and in a wheelchair, he left the dugout, he attacked Martinez, he is at fault. What should Martinez have done, stand there and let Zimmer hit him. Take the blinders off.

Again that doesn't in any way excuse the actions of Martinez previous to this but the Zimmers charge was another issue.

Actually, I have to say that the person most at fault is the umpire, if he had been doing his job Martinez would have been tossed and the whole ugly incident wouldn't have happened.

Baseball fights are generally like girl fights anyways.

Martinez would make a very ugly girl.

One other thing, for all those people, including the colour guy on Fox(not sure which one it was) who have made negative reference to hockey. There are about ten times more bench clearing brawls in baseball than in hockey every year. In most cases the hockey guys go at it man to man and anyone who leaves the bench is punished. It is time basebrawl did the same.

[E229Lt]

What should Martinez have done, stand there and let Zimmer hit him. Take the blinders off.

Pedro was right to defend himself and he did it quickly and without a punch. I have no problem with that.

On the other hand, Pedro then moonwalked into the Boston dugout and hid away from the onfield events, like a coward. After all, he brought both teams into this, took on a 72 year old man, then ran away from the "athletes" still on the field.

Following the game, all managers, players and coaches were available to the media for comment, EXCEPT PEDRO AND MANNY!!!!

He is a punk and a coward, you can see this with or without blinders on.

[manofire2]

Originally posted by E229Lt



On the other hand, Pedro then moonwalked into the Boston dugout and hid away from the onfield events, like a coward. After all, he brought both teams into this, took on a 72 year old man, then ran away from the "athletes" still on the field.

Following the game, all managers, players and coaches were available to the media for comment, EXCEPT PEDRO AND MANNY!!!!

He is a punk and a coward, you can see this with or without blinders on.

All absolutely correct but again these actions were separate from the "Zimmer" incident.

These actions as well would not have occured had the umpire done his job and ejected Martinez when he made the beanball threat. Make no mistake Pedro is a scumbag but Zimmer accepted his fault in the matter like a man, Yankee fans should as well.

I'm still waiting for the apology from the Red Sox side, like their owner suggested.

[CaptainGonzo]

Manny wants to be a Yankee, and Pedro has threatened to leave the Sox if he doesn't get a contract extension.

How much are you willing to bet Steinbrenner opens up his wallet nice and wide to get these two into pinstripes? :rolleyes:

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

Originally posted by CaptainGonzo
Manny wants to be a Yankee, and Pedro has threatened to leave the Sox if he doesn't get a contract extension.

How much are you willing to bet Steinbrenner opens up his wallet nice and wide to get these two into pinstripes? :rolleyes:

I only partially agree with you guys about Zimmer. He wasn't going to hit Martinez. If he swung, I don't think much damage could have been done. Zimmer was wrong, I agree with that. But it's like throwing your grandfather on the ground.

Gonzo brings up a very interesting observation. However, I will be terribly surprised if he signs Ramirez. Here's why...

In September, I was fortunate enough to travel to Boston for the Labor Day weekend. I took in the Sat. afternoon game the Yanks won. Manny was a no-show for the series. He allegedly had the flu. However, during that time, he was seen partying in the Ritz-Carlton Hotel bar with several of the Yankees.

Yankee fans are incredibly smart about baseball things and they do not forget. They will never, ever, support Manny here and George knows it. Manny is gutless. Manny is out for Manny and he is a showboat. Those atributes went away from the Bronx after the Bronx Zoo in the 80's.

George's no. 1 method to put people in the seats is to win. Here is my prediction of what he will do in the winter.

1. Bernie to left field
2. Matsui to right field
3. a. Sign Shannon Stewart to play center (Shannon's stock went up milions by his performance in the ALDS against NY).
b. Soriano to center and he will sign a class second baseman.

But remember, the bulk of the Yankees problems lie in the bullpen.

[HFDEXP777]

Originally posted by E229Lt
I hear Nomar and Mia moved their wedding up to this weekend...since they don't have anything else to do.

lmao loo:D

[HFDEXP777]

george i halfway agree with you. if bernie is moved i think they will put matsui in center field. he did a superb job filling in when bernie was injured. besides, karim garcia is an excellent right fielder with a lot of potential.

[WannabeintheFD]

Sox- 9
Yankees- 6

need i say more?

[Dalmatian90]

Game 7 ALCS...
Yankees v. Red Sox
Clemens facing his last major league appearance
Pedro needing to prove he's not a puss after the Saturday fiasco

And the bats are finally starting to awaken for both teams...

Does baseball get much more interesting???

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

Originally posted by WannabeintheFD
Sox- 9
Yankees- 6

need i say more?

Yeah, you forgot to say GIAMBI SUCKS!

[NJFFSA16]

Where's Scott Brosius when you need him? Aaron Boone is such an offensive slug.

Maybe they should have let Mattingly play.

So, on to Game 7. Curses...:eek:

[E229Lt]

Game 7, Pedro vs. The Rocket, Boston vs. NY, at the House that Ruth Built. It won't get any better than this!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Lewiston2Capt]

You going Lt?

I hope to be able to watch it. Ended up missing most of the game last night, had to work over. From the sounds of it, it was a good thing I couldnt watch. I got pretty worked up during the last two innings, I couldnt imagine a whole game like that.

[Dalmatian90]

And no matter the outcome tonight, I'm sure we can all agree...

Squish the Fish.

If I wanted to see Marlins jumping in the air, I'd be on a fishing charter boat!

[RspctFrmCalgary]

LET'S GO YANKEES, LET'S GO!!

LET'S GO YANKEES, LET'S GO!!

[TWEJFD]

...I'm sure we can all agree...

Ha Ha! That's a good one....:D

[Robertsc]

The end is near!!!!!!




I can hear the people shout!!!!!!




The Sox Win!!!! The Sox Win!!!

[Dalmatian90]

6-5 in the 11th of the 7th...Wow...now that's the way to end a championship series...

(And boy, will New England have a field day with the decision to let Pedro stay in past the 7th...)

[Robertsc]

Well the sox lost i am bummed but hell theis was a great year for baseball and what awesome games i watched... Are ya ready for some football :) GO PATS !!

[E229Lt]

AARON F_______N BOONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[manofire2]

This is truly a sad outcome!

We now have the World series featuring the Yankees who are to baseball what the Detroit Wings are to hockey "the best team money can buy" against the team that sold off all their players to the highest bidder last time they won. I am at a loss as to which team disgusts me the most. These two teams exemplify opposite ends of evil. They are bookends of all that is bad about the capitalist nature of sport.

There are those who will argue that much of the Yankee team is developed through their system however it is the dollar that keeps them there. Besides that players like Jason Giambi and most of the pitching staff totally belie that arguement.

I personally will be watching the Rugby World Cup, perhaps the last bastion of a major worldwide sport still played for the glory of the game, not the almighty dollar.

[Resq14]

:( :mad: :( :mad: :( :mad:

*cries himself to sleep*

(*for yet another season*)

:p

[NJFFSA16]

Curse of the Bambino? Not quite......

Curse of the Bam-Boone-Oh!

[E40FDNYL35]

that's why they call it the BEST of 7......
NEXT....

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

Originally posted by Robertsc
The end is near!!!!!!




I can hear the people shout!!!!!!




The Sox Win!!!! The Sox Win!!!

Not for nuthin', but when I read this post it was the 7th inning. I knew that the Yankees would win. After all these years. After all the times this team has ripped its fans hearts out, they still start to celebrate before the game was over. You have to be kidding me.

And manofire, I really don't want to take the time to go over this again, but I will make a couple of comments about your "best team money can buy" comment.

1. If you look at the Yankee roster, Posads, Jeter, Johnson, Sorianno, Williams and more are homegrown Yankee talent, right from their farm system.

2. The Red Sox are a large market team and have the opportunity to spend just as much money on free agents. And they would if they could. Just look at how hard they tried to get Contreras.

3. The difference between the two organizations is class and professionalism. The Yankees know how to win. It's their corporate culture. The Bronx Zoo days are over. There is very little trash talk, bragging and showboating. They don't start on-field brawls and visibly, demonstratively, threaten to hit a player in the head. They are well-coached. (Tell me Pedro should have gone out there for the eigth).

The fans are rabid, but they are very smart. There is no rioting. There is deep appreciation and love, for the most part, for their team and the game. I went to a Boston/NY game at Fenway in Sept. It amazed me that the Red Sox fans pour so much energy into being anti-Yankee. There were more people wearing clothing that denegrated the Yankees than there was people wearing Red Sox clothes. I saw a 60ish YOA old lady wearing a shirt that said "Take your 25 Championship rings and shove them up your a**". Another said "Jeter swallows". What kind of family atmosphere is that?

4. If your theory about the money paid to hockey players were correct, the Rangers would have about 25 Cup banners in the rafters.

5. Go ahead and watch Rugby. We don't care.

[NJFFSA16]

Presumptuous? Boston? Sox? Fenway?

They should have known that putting the World Series Logo on the field at Fenway....on Thursday afternoon:eek:....would only rouse the anger of the Bambino.

Perhaps they wanted to .....NURSE the curse!:D

[NJFFSA16]

oh...and by the way.

Cowboy Down!....and out.;) :D

[Bones42]

twas a good series. Not the outcome I wanted, but congrats to the Yankees.

[CaptainGonzo]

It was a great game. We had a truck fire with an exposure, so I missed a lot of the 8th inning, 9th inning, 10th inning, and caught the bottom of the 11th.... :(

It was a great series (other than the incident in Fenway).
Joe Torre outmanaged Grady Little.
Players on both sides played their hearts out.

Now the question...

Who do I root for?

well, here's a clue....

squish the Fish!

[manofire2]

Originally posted by GeorgeWendtCFI


And manofire, I really don't want to take the time to go over this again, but I will make a couple of comments about your "best team money can buy" comment.

1. If you look at the Yankee roster, Posads, Jeter, Johnson, Sorianno, Williams and more are homegrown Yankee talent, right from their farm system.

2. The Red Sox are a large market team and have the opportunity to spend just as much money on free agents. And they would if they could. Just look at how hard they tried to get Contreras.

3. The difference between the two organizations is class and professionalism. The Yankees know how to win. It's their corporate culture. The Bronx Zoo days are over. There is very little trash talk, bragging and showboating. They don't start on-field brawls and visibly, demonstratively, threaten to hit a player in the head. They are well-coached. (Tell me Pedro should have gone out there for the eigth).

The fans are rabid, but they are very smart. There is no rioting. There is deep appreciation and love, for the most part, for their team and the game. I went to a Boston/NY game at Fenway in Sept. It amazed me that the Red Sox fans pour so much energy into being anti-Yankee. There were more people wearing clothing that denegrated the Yankees than there was people wearing Red Sox clothes. I saw a 60ish YOA old lady wearing a shirt that said "Take your 25 Championship rings and shove them up your a**". Another said "Jeter swallows". What kind of family atmosphere is that?

4. If your theory about the money paid to hockey players were correct, the Rangers would have about 25 Cup banners in the rafters.

5. Go ahead and watch Rugby. We don't care.

1. Like I said (if you did read), many of the yankees were brought through the system but the difference is where many teams lose their 'stars' to free-agency the Yankees merely pull out Georges Check book and their pitching staff is largely obtained throuhg free-agency.

2. No arguement there, however this thread is not about the Red Sox.

3. I would tend too agree but as they say history has a way of repeating itself and I am old enough to remember the days of the Steinbrenner circus and the Billy Martin hirings and firings. This is also the team which treated Hall of Famer Yogi Berra like dirt.

I will say that New York fans however are definately first class and my hats off to them.

4. There are exceptions to every rule and the Rangers are just that, although they did buy that one Cup in Messiers first year with the club.

5. Who's we? YOu got a mouse in your pocket.

[manofire2]

Originally posted by manofire2


3. I would tend too agree but as they say history has a way of repeating itself and I am old enough to remember the days of the Steinbrenner circus and the Billy Martin hirings and firings. This is also the team which treated Hall of Famer Yogi Berra like dirt.



Zimmer set to leave Yankees


Associated Press




10/17/2003

NEW YORK (AP) - New York Yankees bench coach Don Zimmer is angry at the way he's been treated by the team, and said he will not be back next season.

Following the Yankees' 6-5, 11-inning win over Boston in Game 7 of the AL championship series Thursday night, Zimmer lashed out at owner George Steinbrenner, with whom Zimmer has had a strained relationship.

Zimmer said Steinbrenner doesn't have to worry about firing him.

"He don't have to worry about that cause I won't be back," Zimmer told the New York Daily News. "I'm a human being and I ain't been treated like one in 11 months."

When told of Zimmer's comments, New York manager Joe Torre said he would discuss the matter with his bench coach.

"I'll talk to him in the morning," Torre said calmly. "I know Zim's been upset for a long time. It's been a tough year for him. It's been a tough year for all of us."

In Game 3 of the series last Saturday, the 72-year-old Zimmer was involved in a melee that saw him get tossed to the ground by Boston pitcher Pedro Martinez, who grabbed the coach by the head. Zimmer left the ball park on a stretcher and was taken to a hospital with what the Yankees said was a strained left groin.

Zimmer tearfully apologized the next day for his actions and was fined $5,000 US by major league baseball.


Didn't take long did it.

[manofire2]

Thursday, April 3

Yankees remain spenders without peer

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Associated Press


NEW YORK -- At $22 million this year, Texas Rangers shortstop Alex Rodriguez makes more money than any other baseball player. He makes more money than the entire Tampa Bay Devil Rays team, too.

Pity the poor Devil Rays. Their skimpy payroll is even smaller than the gap between the top-spending New York Yankees and runner-up New York Mets.

AVERAGE SALARIES
Year Average Pct. inc.
1989 $512,930 NA
1990 $578,930 12.9
1991 $891,188 53.9
1992 1,084,408 21.7
1993 1,120,254 3.3
1994 1,188,679 6.1
1995 1,071,029 -9.9
1996 1,176,967 9.9
1997 1,383,578 17.6
1998 1,441,406 4.2
1999 1,720,050 19.3
2000 1,988,034 15.6
2001 2,264,403 13.9
2002 2,383,235 5.2
2003 2,555,476 7.2

A study of 2003 baseball salaries by The Associated Press turned up those and other eye-popping revelations, including:


Baseball's average salary shot past $2.5 million for the first time on Opening Day this week.


The Yankees spend nearly $150 million.


The Mets are No. 2 at $116.9 million.


Los Angeles, Atlanta and Texas also topped $100 million.


The Devil Rays, in comparison, are practically living on skid row with a 25-man roster costing $19.6 million.

Rodriguez, the youngest player to hit 300 homers, leads all players in salary for the third straight year.

When it comes to teams, the Yankees are in a world of their own.

They've had the fattest payroll in the major leagues the last four seasons -- and it made it even fatter after their first-round loss to Anaheim in the American League playoffs. That's when they went shopping for more talent, landing Japanese slugger Hideki Matsui and Cuban pitcher Jose Contreras.

``Regardless of who we signed or how much money we make, we have to go out and play,'' said the highest-paid Yankee of them all at $15.6 million, shortstop Derek Jeter, out at least a month with an injured shoulder. ``Our goal is to win regardless of what our payroll is.''

Yes, but the Yankees' deep pockets just might serve as an impetus for other teams to get 'em where it counts -- on the field.

``It's actually nice to have a competitor like the Yankees because it will be all the more satisfying when we beat them,'' Red Sox chairman Tom Werner said.

The Mets hope the addition of pitcher Tom Glavine, shelled in his first start Monday, proves to be a stroke of genius come October.

``You always want to spend or invest prudently, and we think we have,'' owner Fred Wilpon said. ``But there are no guarantees in life. I really believe that we have a postseason team. That's what this team was built for, and now we'll see.''


Yankee's and Met's are #1 and #2, surprize surprize.

[E40FDNYL35]

Hey E229Lt
...what ! You think I wouldn't see you at the game ???

OK SOX are toast...Bring on the FISH...

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

Originally posted by manofire2


1. Like I said (if you did read), many of the yankees were brought through the system but the difference is where many teams lose their 'stars' to free-agency the Yankees merely pull out Georges Check book and their pitching staff is largely obtained throuhg free-agency.

2. No arguement there, however this thread is not about the Red Sox.

3. I would tend too agree but as they say history has a way of repeating itself and I am old enough to remember the days of the Steinbrenner circus and the Billy Martin hirings and firings. This is also the team which treated Hall of Famer Yogi Berra like dirt.

I will say that New York fans however are definately first class and my hats off to them.

4. There are exceptions to every rule and the Rangers are just that, although they did buy that one Cup in Messiers first year with the club.

5. Who's we? YOu got a mouse in your pocket.

Somebody didn't drink their prune juice today.:D

1. What is so wrong about spending money to keep the people you drafted, nurtured and developed through the farm system (often a 3-5 year process) with the team and happy?

2. The thread may be about the Yankees, but you made the issue at hand spending money.

I would also say that I agree with the concept of a salary cap. In the NFL, what the salary cap has done is greatly increase the level of parity among most teams.

3. The TEAM didn't treat Yogi Berra like dirt. George treated Yogi Berra like dirt. George treated Zimmer like dirt. George owns the team, but is not the team. As far as I know, he has zero major league appearances.

4. Just because a team invests money to increase the level of talent doesn't make them evil.

Evil is the Marlins winning the World Series and having the owner unload virtually every decent player they had, turning a world champion team into a last place team by the next season. The only motive was pure, unadulterated greed.

5. Please.

[E229Lt]

Posada, Jeter, Williams, Mariano and Pettite will be playing for their FIFTH ring tonight. All of them came up through the Yankee system.

Soriano, Juan Rivera, Nick Johnson while not millionaires are also Yankee farm products.

"Godzilla" Matsui, you may not like it but he's a Yankee ROOKIE!

Let's list all the high salary position players aquired through the free agent market: Giambi...that's all folks

Pitching: Mussina, Clemens, Wells: $22,311,000 for the trio, less than A-Rod made this year!

And to wrap it up, the bench: Sierra, Wilson, Garcia, Flaherty: avg. salary $750,000 each.

Finally, Aaron F-----N Boone, $3.7M. Picked up from the Reds and dumped Robin Ventura and his $5M salary. Savings= $1.3M

One last note. At the start of the season the Yankees, Mets and Rangers had the three highest salaries in baseball. At the end of the season the Yankees went to the World Series and the Mets and Rangers finished last in their divisions.

It's not just the money you spend, it's about a climate of teamwork, pride and tradition. Short hair, no beards, pinstripes, monuments, dedicated fans and even a Boss who demands a higher level of performance or you're sent packing.

You can't buy chemistry!!!

[E40FDNYL35]

LET'S GO YANKEES

[Trkco1]

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[ ] Heartache [ ] Holes punched in doors or walls
[ ] Nausea [ ] Smashed TV screens
[ ] Depression [ ] Avoided Yankee fans for days or weeks

5. Is October your least favorite time of year? [ ] Yes [ ] No

6. Are you tired of saying "Wait till next year"? [ ] Yes [ ] No

7. Are you ready to admit that:

a. Joe DiMaggio was better than Ted Williams? [ ] Yes [ ] No
b. Thurman Munson was better than Carlton Fisk? [ ] Yes [ ] No
c. Derek Jeter is better than Nomar Garciaparra? [ ] Yes [ ] No
d. Don Zimmer is a managerial genius? [ ] Yes [ ] No
e. The Sox next century will be no better than the last? [ ] Yes [ ] No
f. The "Green Monster" is ugly and stupid? [ ] Yes [ } No

Once you have completed this form, please forward to Yankee Stadium. Then burn all your remaining Red Sox clothing, memorabilia, and associated reminders. After reviewing your request, the Yankee Fan Club will contact you with notification of acceptance or rejection.

If accepted, you will receive:

· A recommended recuperation program which includes a recording of Frank Sinatra singing "New York, New York" over and over again
· An opportunity to obtain tickets to the 2003 World Series at Yankee Stadium
· Posters of Boggs and Clemens in Yankee uniforms wearing their championship rings
· A dart board sporting a picture of Yaz
· A copy of our popular handbook, "Harassing Red Sox Fans for Fun and Profit"
· A coupon for a future poster of Pedro Martinez in a Yankee uniform
· A one-year subscription to a weekly support group for ex-Red Sox fans in your area

If rejected, you will receive:

· Our pity and condolences, plus a 26 second video capturing the past 100 years of Red Sox highlights in head-to-head competition against the Yankees narrated by George "Boomer" Scott.

I hereby renounce the Boston Red Sox for all eternity on this the ______ day of ________________, 200__

______________________________ ______
(Signed)

(Office Use Only)

[ ] Approved
______________________________ ___________
[ ] Declined George M. Steinbrenner III
:D

[RspctFrmCalgary]

LMFAO :D

LET'S GO YANKEES, LET'S GO!

LET'S GO YANKEES, LET'S GO!

[manofire2]

Originally posted by GeorgeWendtCFI


Somebody didn't drink their prune juice today.:D

1. What is so wrong about spending money to keep the people you drafted, nurtured and developed through the farm system (often a 3-5 year process) with the team and happy?

2. The thread may be about the Yankees, but you made the issue at hand spending money.

I would also say that I agree with the concept of a salary cap. In the NFL, what the salary cap has done is greatly increase the level of parity among most teams.

3. The TEAM didn't treat Yogi Berra like dirt. George treated Yogi Berra like dirt. George treated Zimmer like dirt. George owns the team, but is not the team. As far as I know, he has zero major league appearances.

4. Just because a team invests money to increase the level of talent doesn't make them evil.

Evil is the Marlins winning the World Series and having the owner unload virtually every decent player they had, turning a world champion team into a last place team by the next season. The only motive was pure, unadulterated greed.

5. Please.

I rarely if ever drink prune juice despite my old age but thanks for caring.

1. There is nothing wrong with spending your money except when it is done to force an unlevel playing field. The teams which I have ranted against have made Major North American sport almost inaccessable to the average fan and almost eliminated the small market teams. A prime example is the Montreal Expos. The Expos have drafted and developed talent arguably better than any team yet are annually raided of their talent by teams like the Yankees (not the Yankees in this case).

2. Agreed

3. George may not be on the field but he can and does push the buttons when the whim hits him. Don't be surprized when he makes another of his forays into the limelight, it may even be this year.

4. I agree that the Marlins in this case are the greatest of the 2 evils but as far as them selling their stars, "If their pitching, ssomeone must be receiving".

5. As for the remark about the Rugby World Cup. Far more people on a global basis will be watching it. In fact it is the 3rd most watched sporting event Worldwide behind the Olympic Summer Games and the Soccer World Cup. Take some of it in you may just enjoy it...right Kiwi.

I will make a prediction that this years World Series has one of the lowest number of viewers (particularly if you leave out the NY market) in history and that for the first time the Division Championships will out draw the series.

Lastly before I am totally villified in the great state of New York. I love New York and they have the greatest large market fans in North America. I will however say that the greatest fans are in 2 small market cities, Green Bay WI. and Edmonton AB. (must be a passion for Green and Gold).

[E40FDNYL35]

LET'S GO YANKEES

[E229Lt]

The Expos have drafted and developed talent arguably better than any team yet are annually raided of their talent by teams like the Yankees

Once these players became established and free agents, the Expos, et al. refuse to pay THEIR players a fair market value. (I do not mean to say the value is fair, only the market value is what they deserve) This is true of many teams who won't retain their stars because they're too damn cheap. Don't blame the team that gets them, blame the team who gave them up.

As for Rugby, it's true Rugby players have leather balls, but baseball players walk around with four balls.

Am I in George's corner now...this is scary! :eek:

[manofire2]

Originally posted by E229Lt


Once these players became established and free agents, the Expos, et al. refuse to pay THEIR players a fair market value. (I do not mean to say the value is fair, only the market value is what they deserve) This is true of many teams who won't retain their stars because they're too damn cheap. Don't blame the team that gets them, blame the team who gave them up.

As for Rugby, it's true Rugby players have leather balls, but baseball players walk around with four balls.

Am I in George's corner now...this is scary! :eek:

The fact is there is no fair market value, the larger markets simply spend to the level that the small market teams cannot compete with. This has happened to the detriment of sport across the board. Kids can't emulate their heroes because as soon as they establish themselves they are gone to the highest bidder. There are few players who put community and loyalty above the almighty dollar. This is one area where I give the Yankees credit. Despite George (Steinbrenner that is) NY players remain loyal to the fans and community, my hat is off to them for that.

[manofire2]

GEORGE

I hope you were lucky enough to get a copy of Fridays NY Post. If you did hang on to it it could be a collectors item someday.

[Catrina]

I HATE...er STRONGLY DISLIKE the Yankees. I'm sick and tired of them winning all the time. I was so bummed about the Red Sox missing their golden opportunity...ARGHHHH!!!! Yankees SSTINK!!!!

*by the way, i am from NY, so there*

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

Originally posted by manofire2


I rarely if ever drink prune juice despite my old age but thanks for caring.

1. There is nothing wrong with spending your money except when it is done to force an unlevel playing field. The teams which I have ranted against have made Major North American sport almost inaccessable to the average fan and almost eliminated the small market teams. A prime example is the Montreal Expos. The Expos have drafted and developed talent arguably better than any team yet are annually raided of their talent by teams like the Yankees (not the Yankees in this case).

2. Agreed

3. George may not be on the field but he can and does push the buttons when the whim hits him. Don't be surprized when he makes another of his forays into the limelight, it may even be this year.

4. I agree that the Marlins in this case are the greatest of the 2 evils but as far as them selling their stars, "If their pitching, ssomeone must be receiving".

5. As for the remark about the Rugby World Cup. Far more people on a global basis will be watching it. In fact it is the 3rd most watched sporting event Worldwide behind the Olympic Summer Games and the Soccer World Cup. Take some of it in you may just enjoy it...right Kiwi.

I will make a prediction that this years World Series has one of the lowest number of viewers (particularly if you leave out the NY market) in history and that for the first time the Division Championships will out draw the series.

Lastly before I am totally villified in the great state of New York. I love New York and they have the greatest large market fans in North America. I will however say that the greatest fans are in 2 small market cities, Green Bay WI. and Edmonton AB. (must be a passion for Green and Gold).

1. I can see this meeting in George's office. "No, don't sign Clemens. It would upset the competitive balance in the league". Please. Like it or not, baseball is a business. Owners (major and minor) put their money on the line in order to (shocking) make more money. The object of the game is to win. When George reinvests his profits in the team and creates a farm system that truly develops young talent, pays his players well and keeps them happy, pays a scouting and coaching staff that shares the vision of winning, and isn't afraid to risk an investment into a free agent when an available player matches a need on the team, that is good baseball business. There are many owners (Seattle comes to mind) whose owners reap the profits and are not the least bit concerned about winning. Besides the fact that fans don't want to watch a loser, players don't want to play on a loser. Many free agents have turned down more lucrative offers from small market losers to play on large market teams with a commitment to winning.

Sports are not inaccessible. It may interest you that Yankee tickets are not the highest priced in the league. I can get a bleacher seat (spent many games out there)for $10 bucks. I can get an upper deck seat for $20. I can take a bus and a subway for less than it costs to park a car. I can eat a sandwich and have a beer outside the stadium for way less that inside.

Did you ever go to a Broadway show? Tix are routinely over $100. Food is just as expensive. If the Broadway shows employed lesser known actors, less talented musicians and had a less apealing venue, the tix would sure cost less. But no one would go.

Look at the bottom lines of some of your small market teams. The ownbers are not buying their groceries with food stamps.

3. You didn't adress the point. But I'll help. Yogi is a legend here. He is very visible in the community and is treated as a hero wherever he goes. The players love him and he loves the players. George decided to treat him like garbage, no one else's. He is not the team.

4. So if my employer is paying me $20,000 per year, and I can get a job at another agency for $40,000, the agency that is willing to pay for my talents is wrong? The agency who has little or no concern for the quality of the staff; an agency who is willing to fill the positions with warm bodies regardless of the outcome of the work product is right? Please.

5. Rugby is totally irrelavent to this duscussion.

6. The ratings point just stands to reason. The drama and hype this year was in the DS. So what? I'll bet that I am not the only Yankee fan who will not be sad if the Yankees lose. The climax of the season was beating the Red Sox.

7. I taught a NFA class in Green Bay this winter. They are as passionate as any fan base that I am aware of. I know a bunch of people from AB. There are no nicer people in the world. But as far as baseball is concerned, there is no more knowledgable fan base in the league than the Yankees.

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

Originally posted by Catrina
I HATE...er STRONGLY DISLIKE the Yankees. I'm sick and tired of them winning all the time. I was so bummed about the Red Sox missing their golden opportunity...ARGHHHH!!!! Yankees SSTINK!!!!

*by the way, i am from NY, so there*

Good.

BTW, Rochester is NY, not NYC.

Wait till next year.

By the way, all the major league teams you have in Rochester stink...oh, wait a minute. Never mind.

[E40FDNYL35]

LET'S GO YANKEES

[Lewiston2Capt]

Originally posted by GeorgeWendtCFI


Good.

BTW, Rochester is NY, not NYC.

Wait till next year.

By the way, all the major league teams you have in Rochester stink...oh, wait a minute. Never mind.

George, whats up with taking major dumps on upstate NY? ;) I realize that we arent NYC but we like the limelight. Especially when travelling in the south, where anywhere in NY is NYC. That said, if you really want to pick on an upstate NY city pick on Buffalo. Oh wait you would have to take a number, everyone else already is. Buffalo Bills fans have the same persistence and dedication as Sox fans! But it is nice to have the only Professional Football team to play in NY. :eek: :p :D

But thats ok I still love ya George.

[manofire2]

Originally posted by GeorgeWendtCFI


1. I can see this meeting in George's office. "No, don't sign Clemens. It would upset the competitive balance in the league". Please. Like it or not, baseball is a business. Owners (major and minor) put their money on the line in order to (shocking) make more money. The object of the game is to win. When George reinvests his profits in the team and creates a farm system that truly develops young talent, pays his players well and keeps them happy, pays a scouting and coaching staff that shares the vision of winning, and isn't afraid to risk an investment into a free agent when an available player matches a need on the team, that is good baseball business. There are many owners (Seattle comes to mind) whose owners reap the profits and are not the least bit concerned about winning. Besides the fact that fans don't want to watch a loser, players don't want to play on a loser. Many free agents have turned down more lucrative offers from small market losers to play on large market teams with a commitment to winning.

Sports are not inaccessible. It may interest you that Yankee tickets are not the highest priced in the league. I can get a bleacher seat (spent many games out there)for $10 bucks. I can get an upper deck seat for $20. I can take a bus and a subway for less than it costs to park a car. I can eat a sandwich and have a beer outside the stadium for way less that inside.

Did you ever go to a Broadway show? Tix are routinely over $100. Food is just as expensive. If the Broadway shows employed lesser known actors, less talented musicians and had a less apealing venue, the tix would sure cost less. But no one would go.

Look at the bottom lines of some of your small market teams. The ownbers are not buying their groceries with food stamps.

3. You didn't adress the point. But I'll help. Yogi is a legend here. He is very visible in the community and is treated as a hero wherever he goes. The players love him and he loves the players. George decided to treat him like garbage, no one else's. He is not the team.

4. So if my employer is paying me $20,000 per year, and I can get a job at another agency for $40,000, the agency that is willing to pay for my talents is wrong? The agency who has little or no concern for the quality of the staff; an agency who is willing to fill the positions with warm bodies regardless of the outcome of the work product is right? Please.

5. Rugby is totally irrelavent to this duscussion.

6. The ratings point just stands to reason. The drama and hype this year was in the DS. So what? I'll bet that I am not the only Yankee fan who will not be sad if the Yankees lose. The climax of the season was beating the Red Sox.

7. I taught a NFA class in Green Bay this winter. They are as passionate as any fan base that I am aware of. I know a bunch of people from AB. There are no nicer people in the world. But as far as baseball is concerned, there is no more knowledgable fan base in the league than the Yankees.

1. I agree with you on Baseball being reasonably price. That is one of the great things about the sport. As far as the owners trying to "buy" a Championship (no matter what the sport), I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

5. I believe that Rugby is totally relevent to this discussion because the sport of Rugby Union is perhaps the closest thing to an amature sport there is and is still played for "The love of the game" something that is missing to a large degree in Major North American sports.

[NJFFSA16]

Most Career Postseason Homers

Most career home runs in the postseason:
18 - Mickey Mantle, N.Y. Yankees
18 - Reggie Jackson, Oakland, N.Y. Yankees, California
18 - Bernie Williams, N.Y. Yankees
17 - Jim Thome, Cleveland
16 - Manny Ramirez, Cleveland, Boston
15 - Babe Ruth, N.Y. Yankees
12 - Yogi Berra, N.Y. Yankees

[NJFFSA16]

This Date In Baseball
Compiled By PAUL MONTELLA
By The Associated Press
Oct. 21
1973 - Bert Campaneris and Reggie Jackson hit two-run homers in
the third inning as the Oakland A's defeated the New York Mets 5-2
in Game 7 of the World Series.
1975 - Carlton Fisk broke up one of the best games in World
Series history with a 12th-inning homer to give the Boston Red Sox
a 7-6 victory against the Cincinnati Reds, forcing a seventh game.
1976 - The Cincinnati Reds won the World Series in four games
with a 7-2 victory over the New York Yankees. Johnny Bench had two
home runs for five RBIs. It was the Reds' second straight
championship and marked the first time a team had swept the
playoffs and World Series.
1980 - The Philadelphia Phillies became World Series champions
for the first time in their 98-year history with a 4-1 triumph over
the Kansas City Royals in Game 6.
1998 - The New York Yankees swept San Diego to win their record
24th World Series. The Game 4 victory gave the Yankees 125 wins and
50 losses for a .714 winning percentage, the best in the majors
since their Murderers' Row club of 1927. Their AL-record 114
regular-season victories were the most for a champion.
2000 - In the first Subway Series since 1956, the New York
Yankees earned a record 13th straight victory, a 4-3 win over the
New York Mets, surpassing their 12-game run in the late 1920s.
2001 - Randy Johnson pitches seven solid innings to beat Atlanta
3-2 and send Arizona to its first World Series. The Diamondbacks
reach the World Series faster than any expansion team ever, doing
it in only their fourth year.
2002 - Tim Salmon's second homer of the game, a tiebreaking,
two-run shot with two outs in the eighth inning, lifted the Anaheim
Angels over the San Francisco Giants 11-10 and evened the World
Series at 1-all.

[RspctFrmCalgary]

LET'S GO YANKEES, LET'S GO!!

LET'S GO YANKEES, LET'S GO!!

:D :D

[NJFFSA16]

MIAMI, Oct 21 (Reuters) - Mike Mussina pitched seven strong
innings and Hideki Matsui's eighth-inning single drove in the
winning run as the New York Yankees beat the Florida Marlins 6-1
in a rainy Game Three of the World Series Tuesday.
New York leads the best-of-seven series 2-1, with Game Four
back at Pro Player Stadium Wednesday.

Most career home runs in the postseason:
19 - Bernie Williams, N.Y. Yankees
18 - Mickey Mantle, N.Y. Yankees
18 - Reggie Jackson, Oakland, N.Y. Yankees, California
17 - Jim Thome, Cleveland
16 - Manny Ramirez, Cleveland, Boston
15 - Babe Ruth, N.Y. Yankees
12 - Yogi Berra, N.Y. Yankees

Most career R-B-I's in the postseason
65 - Bernie Williams, N.Y. Yankees
63 - David Justice, Atlanta-Cleveland-N.Y. Yankees-Oakland
48 - Reggie Jackson, Oakland, N.Y. Yankees, California
45 - Chipper Jones, Atlanta
40 - Mickey Mantle, N.Y. Yankees
39 - Yogi Berra, N.Y. Yankees
39 - Paul O'Neill, Cincinnati-N.Y. Yankees

[E40FDNYL35]

LET'S GO YANKEES:cool:

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

BERNIE GOES BOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!

Dontrell who?

[tanker5117]

LET'S GO, YANKEES


:D :D :D :D


Tanker

[RspctFrmCalgary]

WOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOO YANKEES! :D Too bad I slept through all the fun! :rolleyes:

[Dalmatian90]

Jeesh, they don't make it easy...

Anyway, click the link with the "speaker" next to it, center top of the page.

http://www.npr.org/rundowns/segment.php?wfId=1474651

Had me LMAO as I was driving in late to work this morning.

[RspctFrmCalgary]

LET'S GO YANKEES!!!!!!

[E40FDNYL35]

YANKEES SLEEP WITH THE FISH


Congratulation Florida Marlin Fans...

[NJFFSA16]

Congratulations to the Florida Marlins!

And now....most likely, the Yankees will bid goodbye to David Wells, Aaron Boone, Dream Weaver, the Zim, Mel...and some other questionable bullpen staff.

First...I'm sure.....words from Mr. Steinbrenner. They won't be "well done!"

How long til Spring training starts? ;)