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NJFFSA16
11-13-2002, 05:26 AM
Weirton City Council plans to dissolve two volunteer fire
companies and seize their assets, arguing local government needs
protection from lawsuits while paid fire commanders need control
over the volunteers who show up at their scenes.
But the battle that could set a legal precedent for volunteer
firefighters throughout West Virginia is almost certain to be
fought in court, where former chief Scott Moore and dozens of
supporters will seek an injunction.
City Council voted 4-2 Tuesday night to disband volunteer
companies No. 1 and No. 3. The city now plans to send a letter
demanding the companies dissolve their charters within 10 days.
"Which isn't going to happen," Moore vowed.
"This should never have come to this point, where the fire
departments are forced to expend all this money and the city is
spending taxpayer money to fight over our existence," he said.
"But the city doesn't talk to us. They dictate to us.
"It's in the hands of our attorney now."
Weirton, which has about 20,400 residents, employs 23 paid
firefighters at two stations that are staffed 24 hours a day. They
are supplemented by 39 volunteers from Company No. 2, whose members
have agreed to be absorbed.
The other two companies, which claim about 80 active and
supporting members, have operated independently for decades and are
resisting the order to give up their equipment and their access to
state and county revenues.
"Over the years, they've kind of built up friction," City
Manager Joe Cicchirillo said. "They have their own equipment, but
they're housed in city buildings. We've had some instances where,
on a fire scene, volunteers wouldn't take orders from a paid fire
chief. ... That wore thin."
The city wants to take control by establishing uniform training
systems, materials, equipment and mutual aid agreements,
Cicchirillo said.
"There's no use having six pumpers if you only need four," he
said.
"We're not against volunteerism," he added. "We're not
against volunteers, per se. They want to fight fires in the city,
but they don't want to answer to any city authority. Council just
feels if we're going to be liable for things that happen within the
city ... they should have control over it."
To Moore, the battle is really about money.
The ordinance would strip the fire companies of their
recognition by the State Fire Commission, which entitles them to
about $26,000 a year in public funding.
Moore also believes the city wants to sell the equipment from
the two companies and keep the cash, relying more heavily on mutual
aid agreements with cities like Steubenville, Ohio.
Moore did not dispute Cicchirillo's claim that Company No. 1
handled some $1.95 million on its books over a nine-year period, or
that some of the money came from public sources.
"As far as I'm concerned, they're robbing us. They want to take
our trucks. They want to take our bank accounts," he said. "They
want to know what was bought so they can take it. We earned that
money."
Moore's company received some public funding but raised the bulk
of its money by being "very financially innovative," he said.
"And yes, bingo money has paid for a lot of things. But they don't
have any idea what was bought because they didn't care."
Further complicating the dispute is the fact that Weirton is in
two counties; two-thirds lie in Hancock, the other third is in
Brooke. Although City Council sees the fire companies as part of
Weirton, Moore sees it differently.
"We were a Hancock County fire department that provided mutual
aid to the city of Weirton," he said. So, if they can win their
court fight to keep their equipment, that's how it will continue to
be.
"We've still got trucks. We've still got men. We've still got
the will to fight fire," Moore said.

(Copyright 2002 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)

CJMinick390
11-13-2002, 01:28 PM
This could get very ugly indeed.:(

Bones42
11-13-2002, 02:38 PM
handled some $1.95 million on its books over a nine-year period Wow! They run some good bingo games there. $216,000 a year would be a nice budget to run under.

I also agree, this is going to get ugly.:(

huff317
11-13-2002, 04:46 PM
Man, and I thought we were doing good to have accumulated about 120,000 in 7 years! Hate to see the outcome on this one bros, 'cause any way you look at it, it IS going to be ugly, and alot of FF's are going to be hurt one way or the other.

Peace

Dalmatian90
11-13-2002, 06:38 PM
Yep, could get messy.

A guidestar search on "Weirton Fire" was interesting. Showed the now defunct Co. 2, Weirton Heights (don't know if they're Co. 1 or 3 or something else), and "North Weirton Storage Rental" whose purpose is, "To raise funds for the volunteer fire department." The Storage Rental company also has about $200,000 in the bank, so it looks like somebody's got a significant war chest to fight a battle with City Hall for several years. Also looks like somebody is good with the books and structuring finances.

Most departments don't have reserves like that to pay for insurance and utilities and heat and other very basic stuff beyond the current budget year.

I do believe departments that receive tax money have a responsibility to spend it wisely. Major investments paid for by taxes, such as a truck, should at the very least be titled in the name of the company & the municipality to protect each.

Volunteer departments that do a lot of fundraising and/or receive significant donations, especially if they save up large amounts to buy big equipment instead of taking out loans, should look at "poison pill" provisions to keep municipal governments looking at an easy score from having a big financial incentive to shutting them down. The "poison pill" need not be bitter -- say a provision if the Department ceases to function and fails to reorganize, the apparatus and buildings go to the municipality, but the non-taxpayer cash and other liquid assest go to form a scholarship fund for the town's needy.

fireman077
11-13-2002, 09:38 PM
This has been brewing for generations, it was just a matter of time. I spent almost 10 years as a volunteer with Weirton Heights Vol. Fire Dept (known as Company 3). However, I left there in 1985. Even then, there was animosity between the paid and volunteers. For those who don't know, Weirton is an declining steel mill town, about 30 miles west of Pittsburgh.

There were 3 volunteer depts and one paid. All fire calls were received at the paid FD, then they would tone-out the appropriate volunteer FD. It was always felt (and known) that many times, the paid FD would "hold" the calls for a few minutes to let the engine get nearly on-scene before toning out the vollies. In this manner, they would clear all responding volunteers and handle it themselves. As you can imagine, this and many other similar follies did little to muster good will between the paid and volunteers.

The turning point or breaking point was the fact that they want to make a combination dept. The paid dept asked the volunteers to "join" the paid dept, but in turn, give up all of the "stuff" they accumulated over the years. Having a very proud history, many of these guys serving as vollies for 30+ years, refused to join the new system. I can't say that I blame them for the way they were treated and knowing the history.

Just couple points of interest. Scott Moore is the Chief of Company 1 (north end of the city). Weirton Heights is Co. 3 and operated 2 stations before the city kicked them out of one of them and put a paid crew in there. Company 2, the vollies that joined the paid, have always shared a station with the paid dept, so it didn't seem like a big change for them. Also, Dal90 mentioned the "Storage Rental" business. I am pretty sure that is owned by one of the volunteer chiefs of Company 3.

"This is going to get ugly" is an understatement. Besides, I think it already has. Stay tuned....

John

Weruj1
11-14-2002, 01:59 AM
add another vote for ugly and messy ............ewwwwwww :eek: