B.M.I. Emergency Meeting

[1835Wayne]

We seem to have at least a pup if not an actual MUTT in our midst. I am speaking of Mitch_rfd_ny. Read his comments in the thread "did you see this they desecrated the FDNY!". I would like input as to what action we should take against him. He is not a member of our explorer post, I checked. If he had been he wouldn't be anymore.

Anyone??

[SPIPER]

As my nomination as the NCOIC of the tactical operations wing of the BMI has not yet been approved, I will decline to make an official declaration of war. But I feel a fair trial followed by a first class hanging is in order.:mad:

[Temptaker]

Damn straight he wouldn't be anymore!

I realize that 'technically' I have not been given the BMI designation, however I did attempt several times as did others today to show this particular individual (can't write what I really want to) the error in his ways.

He is apparently disgruntled over the fact that his dept did not get what he would consider 'adequate' funding. Imagine that... like his is the ONLY ONE! :mad:

My first thought was to forward his comments to his dept, however since the fact that he had his dept name and website listed in his profile was brought up in another thread, he has since seen fit to edit his profile and remove the affiliation.

1835wayne... do we actually have a list of our explorer's? I might be needing that.

Sorry had to come back and edit this for the link for those who haven't seen it yet:Rural depts choking, some clinging (http://www.firehouse.com/forums2/showthread.php?s=&threadid=40070)

[Drewbo]

Can we add another target to the list? SD? I really hope he sticks to his feelings and don't come around here anymore... I think I need some counciling on how to ignore stupid people.

Do have to agree with the Mitch thing... Is he on some kindda Anti-FDNY push. I've fought fires in small town America too... But his whole spin is just off center. You say he is a Junior, Man he needs some serious mentoring if he wants to get anywhere in life.

May I suggest use of a "Black Bunker" type operation?

Good night all, I can't beleive I let someone on the internet dig under my skin. Must get a hobbie or something.

Drew.

[SPIPER]

Drew grab a cold one, put your spurs on and get read to issue some kiwi injections! Get a good no never mind officers dont smoke cigars.

[FlyingKiwi]

SPIPER

Need a hand Brother? I see a dark alley, and attitude adjustment.

[SPIPER]

Let me explain, as you may not understand, kiwi is a brand name of boot polish. Kiwi injection refers to firmly planting your boot up someones ass. I never turn down good help though. :D :D

[1835Wayne]

Perhaps a joint resolution to the webteam?? I read the first page of the thread that Temptaker posted. I couldn't stomach any more of his vile idiocy after that.

[FlyingKiwi]

SPIPER
You mean the little tins with the picture of a kiwi on the front, that I have used all my life?
Wonder where that stuff came from :D

[Temptaker]

1835wayne

Basically that entire thread is an attempt to 'enlighten' him. Unfortunately it didn't work.

A joint resolution might not be a bad idea. From past experience(s) I don't know how effective it would actually be though. :rolleyes:

Kiwi

That would be the stuff :)

[Bones42]

mitch_rfd_ny

Randolph Fire Department

www.randolphfire.org


I looked him up yesterday before he editted his profile.

I am still speechless.

[1835Wayne]

Thank you Bones. If you are willing to accept, I would like you to join the B.M.I. as an investigator. Good work!!

[MIKEYLIKESIT]

We have seen many examples of people who come into these forums to draw attention to themselves. We all want to be heard in one way or the other. That is the purpose of these threads. Being mostly firefighters and people with an interest in firefighters, we have some "spirited" discussions on a variety of topics. Most of us, believe it or not respect one another. Things have a tendency to go south when someone comes up with something so outrageous that it cannot be ignored. My suggestion is IGNORE them. As much fun as it is to light up some dog on these forums, it makes more sense to let the thread die a quick and painful death. Think of the people on here that purposely start a flame war. They crave and thrive on attention. I am not talking about having a good argument, I am talking about stupid, hurtful and just plain ignorant posts. The young "man" in question, seems to enjoy getting the majority peeved(nice use of a non-inflamatory word) and we let him do it. The day I let some punk who dosent have a clue make me as angry as this one did, is the day I am no better then him. Now look at all the attention that he got just from me in this post. It's the last time...

[Bones42]

1835wayne - honored by the offer. Humbly accepted.

[Ohiovolffemtp]

I think Mikey has a wonderful idea: shunning these posters, denying the attention they seek.

Any one of use, esp. IACOJ members, could report a thread or poster to the BMI. They could review it. If they feel that the person deserves it, one of the BMI members could place a post in the thread stating that the person wasn't worth arguing with. That would pretty effectively shut down the thread & express our views. I bet all of the IACOJ members would honor a request to shun a person of mixed canine parentage.

That way, we'd shut down someone who's out of line, but not in violation of the webteam's TOS.

BMI - what do you think about it?

[1835Wayne]

Hmmm.................... Food for thought. Boycotting Larry like people................

Any more input?? I guess I am looking for a policy that we can use to deal with these canine like individuals. Aside from going to war in every case. I know! We all love to attack these types. But is it the best approach?

[SPIPER]

First time I have used the ignore feature on any forum. But that is what I am going to do.

[Bones42]

I don't think it happens all that often, but, what if John Q Public comes and reads some of these comments on the forum? Would they realize we are ignoring the post because it was nonsense or would they take it as another firefighter's opinion? We would know, but would they? Look at the thread that was in question, we had a "Lurla" and "Skeptical Dave" that popped over from another forum and jumped in the fray. Not saying they were bad or good, but they only saw that one thread.

[1835Wayne]

Well maybe ignoring them is not the best option. We do need to be mindfull of what the public may perceive as a generaly held opinion.
Is discretion the better part of valor in this case?? I am not so sure.

Good point Bones.

[Steamer]

Maybe a statement of concern by the BMI, with a tagline explaining why the action is being taken. That could then be followed by generally ignoring the poster. Both objectives would be met with that action. A public statement explaining our position, followed by ignoring the poster altogether. That way John Q. that sees the post understands the position of the "Crusties", and a general bloodbath is avoided. A bit more professional, although not as much fun.

I would also recommend that the post in question be copied as a quote into the BMI's post. That prevents the "individual" under action from editing the post to something benign, and making the BMI rep looking like they have lost their minds.

[HFDEXP777]

if you'd like, i could compile a list of I.A.C.O.J. explorers for you, one of the perks of not having a life;)

[Temptaker]

Bones
:) I knew someone would have managed to get it before he wiped it out. Wasn't sure if it would be you or Motown though. Good point.

Steamer

The only problem I see with your suggestion, is if as an example: A thread is tagged as you say, absolutely quoting them, but some of the more argumentative types continue to post. Someone who doesn't get online much, or their machine crashes may inadvertently engage the 'individual' if they had already been subscribed to the thread, because you are automatically taken to the last post.

Is there a way to get around that?

HFDEXP777

Thank you, would you PM me with it please.

[FlyingKiwi]

Tempie
No problem with Steamers concept, the IACOJ poster simply edits his post with the original quote explaining why these are the words of a MUTT.

Probably a good idea to be able to coordinate with the webteam on these issues at times as well.

[Temptaker]

Kiwi,

I understand what you and Steamer are saying. Not everyone gets on FH everyday, so when they finally do get a chance to view the thread, they might miss the comments by the BMI, the explanation to the public etc. I agree completely with the concept of the thing, I'm just wondering if the thread shouldn't continued to be monitored by one or more BMI, incase some unsuspecting poster just goes to the last post, and finds themselves being bombarded with insulting remarks, and replies before going through the entire thread.

[HFDEXP777]

check your privates message list tempie

[Drewbo]

"Officers don't smoke cigars..." what Army were you in? True more officers dip rather than smoke, but I'm an Equal Opportunity Nicotine Addict.

Back to the subject.

The ignore technique would work well, ignore a problem and it will go away??? (that's not what I was taught, but were progressive and "thinking outside the box" to quote Stuper Dave) Besides actions taken by the BMI might have to stay SECRET when dealing with one of our own.

<<<<edited>>>>> thanks, drew

Be Safe All. Drew

[90Truck]

although i my application was never officially aproved, i would like to help in any way shape or form possible. i was wondering, i saw a website posted for the individual in question. has anybody done anything with that?? just a thought.

webteam
is there any hope of you getting involved with the BMI?? i know for a fact that you try to be as leniant as possible with some comments, but i also know you try to make it fun for everyone. Now, i started that thread with the purpose of sticking up for our brothers in NY. and it worked, too. I thank everyone for that and their efforts. buisness was taken care of and the thread faded away for a while, and BAM! there it was again and i couldn't believe what i read. can anything be done about this on your end?? also what do you think we should do about comments like this as well as reporting them?? thanks for your help, peace.:(

[1835Wayne]

If we can get him to see the error of his ways, and get him into the fold, (so to speak)it would be much better for all concerned. We want to foster good will and the frank exchange of ideas. The point that needs to be made to this youngster is that you should try to express yourself in an appropriate manner. I.E.- don't urinate on the fallen. Which in my opinion is what he did.

[Temptaker]

After conferring with some of the BMI, I have come to the conclusion it may be best for all concerned if I speak to Mitch. He is after all an explorer, not technically part of the IACOJ, but an explorer nonetheless.

I am open to suggestions, and if anyone has any please email or pm me. I will make every effort to educate this young man, and to keep you posted as to the results of his pending education.

UPDATE:

PM has been sent to Mitch

[Steamer]

Originally posted by Engine Lt.:
There once was a young lad named Cowen,
Who’s credibility was not quickly growin’
It’s not because he,
Was of pure pedigree
But because his mixed breeding was showin’

Hmmm. Methinks 'tis Lt. Shakespeare?

[hfd66truck]

Mitch apology (http://www.firehouse.com/forums2/showthread.php?postid=264383#p ost264383)

OK, kids.....at least there has been some progress. We'll see.

I have some opinions about this, but need some more time to put them into english...

Dave

[Reyalsnomed]

I went back and did some research on this discussion and what all the uproar was about.

*sigh* :rolleyes:

The post that really got my blood boiling was the sentence about If they didn't follow S.O.G.'s, then they got what they deserved.

IN MY OPINION ...

:mad: The only people that deserved to die, were the terrorists. Not firefighters, not E.M.S. personell, not office workers, not taxi drivers, NOBODY BUT THE TERRORISTS DESERVED TO DIE THAT DAY. :mad:

OK, I'm done ranting for now.

[Temptaker]

Ok guys,

He has made an effort. I would like to officially ask him to be an IACOJ explorer. Any objections?

Oh, I still have to agree with the 'ignoring' of some of the other more argumentative posters, who just like to stir things like Larry et al. (you know who I mean :rolleyes:

[hfd66truck]

OK, my disjointed thoughts....I just woke up.

I actually believe that for the most part the way we handled this was/is fine. Except maybe next time I'll PM after my 1st "corrective" shot. We can offer any opinions we want, but the bottom line is they have the same right to post as we do. Maybe the silent or ignore approach is better suited, after the 1st attempt to correct the misguided ones. Just some thoughts.


Dave

[1835Wayne]

Our friend Larry,(wherever he is lurking!) is one for the old silent treatment. Perhaps a PM to others right away in the future is the way to go. Less confrontational than a post on a thread.

[SPIPER]

I have to agree with Wayne. A pm to the others, then the others pm the individual. If an apology is not posted, then post in a thread, with links to the "defendants" post(s).

[Temptaker]

BMI

Sorry gentlemen I could not hold my tongue. I KNOW that Steamer attempted to "Flag" a poster in the thread, it was not my intention to 'step' on any BMI toes. Just to get the point across that debating the issue is pointless. Please accept my apology. I will TRY to restrain myself in the future. :)

I totally agree with you regarding the PMing. The only thing I ask is if it is an explorer, that I be included in the loop. Maybe to allow me first crack. If that doesn't work... sick em danno ;) From talking to a good number of them, most of the time they don't actually have any malicious intention, they just get caught up with the emotion of the whole thing, and don't know how to articulate themselves in an appropriate fashion. Thus they spew.

I do hope that everyone finds young Mitch's apology satisfactory. I believe that he really does mean it.

Would someone from recruiting please pm me. Someone has contacted me regarding their application to IACOJ, and they haven't heard anything back. I told him that I would look into it for him. Thanks

[1835Wayne]

Has anyone made a flow chart of the IACOJ?? We keep getting larger and larger, and I am no longer sure who is under the BMI. I know who my Special agents are and my investigators,but is the Explorer program manager part of the BMI?? Or does Tempie just act for the BMI in these cases??

[Temptaker]

Wayne

If no one objects, I would rather keep the two things seperate, atleast for the time being. By all means, if you think that I would be better suited to dealing with something, or if it is an explorer, I am happy to help out.

I think right now I have enough with the explorers, I am spending a considerable amount of time trying to decipher some of the explorer posts. I had NO IDEA :rolleyes: They aren't all bad, but I definitely gotta work on getting them to use something to spell check, or type slower or something...

[SPIPER]

Tempie, if you need help handing out the spankings I'll do it for ya! Be just like the old days when I was a drill sergeant dishing out tongue lashings from hell to privates! LOL :D I'm also a father, dad, not priest.

[ChiefReason]

HiHo Everyone:
Chief Reason here. Been watching this one build to epic proportions.
I will ask you all this: how many apologies are you going to take from Mitch? In his mind, all's he has to do is say his stupid sh*t and then apologize for it and everything is ok. He was given at least a second/third chance; he has had enough and it is time for him to go. There will be respect shown in these threads! An explorer or not; he is too young to be spouting some of the nonsense that he has been spouting. He has a mouth. Now he needs to learn when to open it and when to keep it shut.
I for one am not accepting any more of his apologies, because they are not sincere. He is playing us like a cheap fiddle, so he needs to understand that we are wise to his little childish game. Dad needs to put his foot down.
The rest of you can do what you want. I intend to employ 1835wayne's tactic; notify the others and SHUN him!
Tempie; if you want to counsel someone, I could use it!;)
IMACOJ; don't even think about it!

[PuffyNPFD]

I concur with Wayne. We need an in stone flow chart as well as a listing of all members without titles. This better to police our ranks to separate the pure from the mixed breeds. Also I will be posting a new thread regarding explorers, to keep them in line as well. As far as Mitch is concerned, if I were him I would delete all posts, ( if he hasn't already done so).

[Temptaker]

Puffy,

A list would definitely help. Course I am not entirely sure if that is my duty or Chief Reasons. I did volunteer to be his secretary.

As far as Mitch goes, I am going to wait and see. I have offered him an explorer position with the IACOJ, and pretty much already have someone in mind for the mentoring side of things. However, since he hasn't gotten back to me, it may be all for nought. Otherwise I am fully prepared, I can't believe I am publicly saying this, to take some heat if/when he screws up again. Just like I am for any of the others.

So if any explorer's are reading this DO NOT LET ME DOWN!!!!

Wayne

I was also talking with Spiper about having an Explorer Minister of Pain... ohhh... no wait that wasn't it... ahhh... Punishment maybe. Sorry don't remember the exact term we were throwing around. You get the general idea. Anyway if the rolled up newspaper doesn't work, I was thinkin I might need someone with bigger boots. Since he is BMI, we both thought we should throw it past you and see what you think about it.

[Halligan]

Originally posted by Temptaker
I think right now I have enough with the explorers, I am spending a considerable amount of time trying to decipher some of the explorer posts. I had NO IDEA :rolleyes: They aren't all bad, but I definitely gotta work on getting them to use something to spell check, or type slower or something...

:D If you need help deciphering something, let me know I've worked at a Children's Hospital for seven years. And I think if I can decipher DOCTORS :rolleyes: typing I can do it for explorers:D :p

[HFDEXP777]

Originally posted by Temptaker
So if any explorer's are reading this DO NOT LET ME DOWN!!!!

:D

[SPIPER]

Originally posted by Temptaker

Wayne

I was also talking with Spiper about having an Explorer Minister of Pain... ohhh... no wait that wasn't it... ahhh... Punishment maybe. Sorry don't remember the exact term we were throwing around. You get the general idea. Anyway if the rolled up newspaper doesn't work, I was thinkin I might need someone with bigger boots. Since he is BMI, we both thought we should throw it past you and see what you think about it.

It was Minister of Disciple, although Pain is pretty good too!:D

[1835Wayne]

If we can keep them from letting their battleship mouths override their rowboat butts, we will be doing good! I hope we don't need a minister of pain, but if necessary Tempie and BMI MIB(turnouts) can lay the smack down!!:D

[captstanm1]

Sorry folks....I was out of town at IAFC and missed all this hoopla....

I am with those of you that suggest reporting the post to one of us IACOJ BMI and then we will post to say it is not worth posting...LOL...wow...I am confused...but we shall prevail.;)

[SPIPER]

Captstanm, I wish I would have known you were coming all the way up from Florida. I always have an empty bar stool waiting for you guys.:D

[SPIPER]

Originally posted by 1835wayne
If we can keep them from letting their battleship mouths override their rowboat butts, we will be doing good! I hope we don't need a minister of pain, but if necessary Tempie and BMI MIB(turnouts) can lay the smack down!!:D

Ahhh shucks Wayne, can't a guy have a little fun? :D

[Temptaker]

CaptStan

Nice to have you back. :)

Wayne

Thanks for the "Go Ahead" should the BMI need to be called in.

Spiper
It was Minister of Disciple

You ment Discipline right?

I'm not so sure you wanna be followed around like the pied piper. :rolleyes: Unteachable people following you around, constantly tuggin on pant leg. Kinda reminds me of one of those little ankle biter dogs, what do they call those? You know the ones who bite on and wont let go. They don't really cause any pain, but they do learn how to fly nicely.

[SPIPER]

Oh no, its grade school all over again with the pied piper jokes! :D
Ankle biters tugging at my pants leg, LOL, my own kids do that all the time. Dad! Dad! Can we have this, buy this, can we go here etc. etc.

[Temptaker]

For some reason it is much more acceptable when the person pulling on your pant leg is only 3ft tall though, had difficulty understanding that shoes do have a left and a right, and occasionally puts their shirt on inside out and backwards... Not to mention that three letter word they utter in combination with the eager excited look on their face.

[90Truck]

i believe those would be called "kikme's" :D :D

[SPIPER]

Originally posted by 90 Truck
i believe those would be called "kikme's" :D :D

If you are suggesting that I kick my children........Their mother might want to have a word or two with you!:D