Riding Apparatus

[explorer36]

Hi, I was wondering what your posts/fire companies rules for jrs or explorers riding apparatus are? Thanks!

[e33]

They may ride the engines with no exceptions. Officers call on wether or not they get out at the scene ( in the event of haz-mat or odd circumstances). If there is a full crew of qualified FF's in the engine, the Jr may be bumped to the next out unit.

[Brian Book]

WE Ride on the AMB. and help in anyway we can on fire and EMS calls

Captain Brian Book
FFD Cadet

[firefly37]

Our juniors must obtain the officers permission to ride the first out truck. After that they are allowed to ride anytime.

Brian

[1627]

We can fide any apparatus except the primary structure pumper any other apparatus it's first come first serve.

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Leon Bass
Jr. Firefighter
SWVFD Station 16

[ksFIRE]

As an Explorer we can ride any and all apparatus. With only a few exceptions.

[LHFDstemmy]

In my dept, jrs are required to take a test to make sure that they know where the tools are on the trucks. Then they can ride that apparatus and can only get kicked off by a senior member.

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LHFDstemmy
LHFD Sta. 3 E-202

[BURNSEMS]

Jrs on our Department may only ride a truck when there are not enough F/F to fill the Seats. Upon arrival to a scene they may only assist The Driver or Outside Personell with Equipment stageing, This is too Keep Jrs out of trouble as well as prevent the sort of Thing Kramer describes in his Post.

[EPFD-AL]

Our junior firefighters ride, but they must stay by the apparatus upon arrival. (Not allowed to respond after 10 pm on any school night and must maintain B average).

[NMFD33]

With us we wait till as many regulars get on than we jump on..its usually 2 juniors but now we have a probie so he gets priority than one junior but with hurricane floyd hitting NJ and half our dept in wildwood at the convention we were running sometimes with 3-4 juniors a truck...that was a mess unto itself..we can respond any tiem of day/night but whats the point sometimes for a kid going to school to get up for a activated alarm 3am? anywho people adios

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Chris Kerrigan
XMetalSxeX@aol.com
Junior Fire Fighter
Co.2 Engine-33 Tower-31
New Milford VFD,NJ


Can we return to the golden age, to the goals we set, and the promises we made. Do you recall when we were friends? Just you and me to the very end-Stretch Arm Strong

[Capez]

One cadet per apparatus on the initial assignment. Multiple alarms they only get "Bumped" by fire fighters if there are no open seats. Otherwise First come first serve.

[Firefighter266]

Our Department's By-Laws state that Jr.s can ride the trucks even the 1st out if there room and the engneer says we can but on house fires we are not to respond unless told to by a officer of f/f.

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Steve"Lips"O'Brien
Jr.Firefighter Unit266
Jenkins Vol Fire Dept

[Station7Cadet]

My departent is very strict, no engines, rescue, or tanker. We can take the fire police units, utility, brush, traffic control, and I think that is basicly it. The insurance doesn't cover use.

[Co11FireGal]

Juniors in my dept. DO NOT respond on the apparatus. We may not respond to any call unless Firefighter I and First Aid & CPR certified, then we are allowed to respond POV. We are only allowed on the trucks when not responding to an emergency...parades, funerals, fairs, public service calls...

[FTLAUD E-35]

Since we are Explorers, not cadets we are allowed to ride any apparatus expect the Rescue/Ambulances when we do our ride-alongs. Thye used to let us ride them, but now they feel that having one more person in a cramped area filled with bacteria, sick people, healthy people, and needles is too much of a risk. But other than that we can ride on any apparatus from the Haz-Mat to the Quints, to the ARFF units, anything goes. When we ride they give us radios, and we are allowed to do anything, but enter the burning buildngs. But if we hae say an alarm in a high rise, I'll gear up with the rest of the guys and haul equipment up, to find the fire, but once its found I have to leave the building. THey let the explorers do things like operate the Hurst tool, hold a C-spine on a patient, and even a lot of times the LT. will just let us go ahead and take the nob to put out car fires.

[Tw93Andrew93]

In my company we are allowed to respond till 11:00pm and we cant respond before 6:00am on a school night. If it is not a school night we can respond whenever we want. All juniors are allowed to run on any of our apparatus. We basicly get on the truck without asking unless it is a mutual aid call where they would take a senior guy over a junior.

[Big Dawg]

Up here in the boondocks (south-central PA) we are considered no different than the seniors. The only things that a senior can do that a junior can't is drive the apparatus and enter a working structure fire.

[rfcmitch]

We can ride any truck, anywhere, anytime. Now when I say truck I mean anything but the ambulance. And just so you all know how funny it looks... all our juniors respond to about every call and we all get there on bikes. You should see the side of the hall during a call... about 6-8 bikes all the time. =)

[rnd15fd]

Our juniors are allowed to ride in every truck except the ambulance. We are supposed to and should give up our seats to any fire fighter that is there and needs a seat. But usually they find a seat somewhere.

[hosejockey20]

if it rolls, has lights and sirens, and theres an open spot, we go. just as long as there is one firefighter per explorer. take today for an example: there were two firefighters and myself and another explorer at the station re-stocking water tender 20 (cause it had to go out to the maintenance house to fix the broken head gasket on the pump) and we get a call for an outside investigation on a suspected bonfire. we all roll, including the explorers. we got on scene, the explorer jac engineer ran the pump with the assistance of the real engineer, and me and the other firefighter put the wet stuff on the red stuff, baby!

[WestvilleJr73]

We are not allowed to ride first due out of the station. Two Jrs per truck. But more can be allowed if the officer of the truck told you to get on

[HSFD16]

We can ride any truck we like, but we can get kicked off by another firefighter, and we cant ride jump seat!

[Bones42]

Our junior's and/or probationary members stand by the truck waiting to see if they can get on or not. They are told to make room for senior members, but if we only have 5 guys, then we take one of them. Otherwise, they ride the second truck (if there is room, same rules apply). We have not had many problems with this method.

[litlrudy20]

In my department we have 3 attack pumpers, 1 heavy rescue, 1 brush unit, and 2 utility vehicles. My explorers (I'm captain) are only allowed to ride after a 4-6 month probation period. If the explorer is just 15 they can only respond on the rescue or utility vehicle. After they turn 16 they may respond on any vehicle EXCEPT they first unit out of they house.

[WFDjr1]

Mitch, do y'all ride your bikes down the street in your turnout gear? That would be a sight! Y'all need some lights and sirens for your bikes, put you a nice mechanical on there and you'll be fine!:D :D :D

[BFD196]

We are allowed to run every call that comes in, and can get on the rig as long as we aren`t taking the spot of someone qualified. For a brush fire, or something very insignificant we may go in place of a driver so they can stay in case of another call, other cases the drivers or officer may just ask us to hang at the firehouse, we`ve never had any problems, and I think we`re pretty lucky to be able to go on as many calls as we do.

[JRFF661]

we're allowed to ride on either of our 2 engines, we can go on any calls , but we're restricted on the time of night it is,usually we would be lucky to fill our 1st out engine so it's unlikely we would get bunmped but it's possible.

[DFD34]

Our Explorers are in no way, shape,or form allowed to ride the appparatus. They are NOT firefighters. They are here to learn what it is to be a firefighter, not to be a liability at an incident. The OIC has enough to worry about at an incident. They don't need the added responsiblity of watching explorers. We also tell our explorers not to show up on the fireground. They are only allowed to stand and watch with the other civilians. What happens if they get hurt? Who then is responsible? In todays lawsuit happy society it is to dangerous to let explorers get involved at incidents. Just my thougths.

[BFD196]

DFD34, it works without a problems in hundreds of other departments, you should really reconsider and let them start running some calls, I can tell you first hand that calls are the number 1 way for them to learn. I`m sure your Explorers have plenty of drill, but where do they apply it? I could go to drill every Tuesday night, and learn a ton of stuff, but what good does it do sitting in my head and rotting? It`s like classes in school, a lot of times our teachers get extremely mad because we don`t remember stuff from previous chapters, what they can`t seem to comprehend is that when we don`t use
the information in our daily lives, it just drains right out of our head. If we learn all our equipment, but don`t actually go to a call to use it or grab things off the rig, it drains out just like those Algebra problems from chapter 1.

To make a long story short, if your going to have Juniors/Explorers, let them get that experience and let them practice so they`re ready to go for Fire 1, trust me if your training right, Juniors will cause an IC no more trouble then anyone else.

[explorer1815]

i think that the explorers need to ride how else are we going to get the experence that will help us later in our career... anyway we can ride just about anytime after we sign up w/ our advisors. thanks. (my opinion, yep only mine) :cool:

[dfdex1]

Being chief of expolers(and a explorer) i agree that you should not go to calls and that it is a huge liabillity for the department especially in a full time union department what you gotta realize is this is there job.and although i think we should do more controlled training with firefighters and live water training and also training with other exploer posts .the rules of our post say no going to calls in gear and no red lights(we would not anyway cuz we are not whackers)and no saying that were firefighters (we had a problem with that in our town of someone saying they were a firefighter) but i think should relax a little on the no danvers fire thing i would love to get t shirts that say dfd exploers we exploers and we should be proud. the department should provide us with some work thier like reeling up hoses and cleaning trucks and doing more on the appartus floor.

[BFD196]

Hold on a second here......now I understand, you guys are with a paid department, that`s a totally different story. It really wouldn`t be appropriate for you all to show up at a call in a paid department, the IC wouldn`t be used to that, because he probably doesn`t know what you guys can do. My bad there, I figured you were part of a volunteer department....