Global Warming Nonsense

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

Read this story closely and tell me if it passes scientific muster. It appears to me that the press will print any story advancing global warming-even it is scientifically unsustainable.

Plasma, LCDs blamed for accelerating global warming
Posted Thu Jul 3, 2008 12:41pm AEST
Updated Thu Jul 3, 2008 1:52pm AEST


Almost half of the televisions sold around the globe so far this year have been plasma or LCD TVs.

But this boom could be coming at a huge environmental cost.

The gas, widely used in the manufacture of flat screen TVs, is estimated to be 17,000 times as powerful as carbon dioxide.

Ironically, NF3 is not covered by the Kyoto protocol as it was only produced in tiny amounts when the treaty was signed in 1997.

Levels of this gas in the atmosphere have not been measured, but scientists say it is a concern and are calling for it to be included in any future emissions cutting agreement.

Professor Michael Prather from the University of California has highlighted the issue in an article for the magazine New Scientist.

He has told ABC's The World Today program that output of the gas needs to be measured.

"One of my titles for this paper was Going Below Kyoto's Radar. It's the kind of gas that's made in huge amounts," he said.

"Not only is it not in the Kyoto Treaty but you don't even have to report it. That's the part that worries me."

He estimates 4,000 tons of NF3 will be produced in 2008 and that number is likely to double next year.

"We don't know what's emitted, but what they're producing every year dwarfs these giant coal-fired power plants that are like the biggest in the world," he said.

"And it dwarfs two of the Kyoto gases. So the real question we don't know is how much is escaping and getting out."

Dr Paul Fraser is the chief research scientist at the CSIRO's marine and atmospheric research centre, and an IPCC author.

He says without measuring the quantity of NF3 in the atmosphere it is unclear what impact it will have on the climate.

"We haven't observed it in the atmosphere. It's probably there in very low concentrations," he said.

"The key to whether it's a problem or not is how much is released to the atmosphere."

[BULL321]

Sounds like Professor Prather is looking for a grant to waste more of our tax money. If it was not for the Universities some people would actually have to work for a living. You know like figuring out why people get mad while playing tennis, or some other worth while study.

Stay Safe
Bull

[BryanLoader]

Just a further aside on global warming, Obama, a bunch of US Mayors and others on the tree hugger side now want to ban oil from Albertas Tar Sands as they have a bigger carbon footprint than "conventional oil" At this point in time, the tar sands contribute 13% to US oil imports, by 2015, it will be 25%. Also you in the US don't have to worry about an unstable govt deciding to quit exporting to US. Just imagine cost of a gallon of gas if Alberta has to ship oil to west coast and on to China instead of US. Do some of these people live on the same planet as the rest of us?
Keep in mind that conventional oil, be it from Mexico, Venezuela, Iraq or Saudi may have a smaller carbon footprint but it maybe that its mixed with blood.

[Mzanghetti]

Plasma, LCDs blamed for accelerating global warming
Posted Thu Jul 3, 2008 12:41pm AEST
Updated Thu Jul 3, 2008 1:52pm AEST


Almost half of the televisions sold around the globe so far this year have been plasma or LCD TVs.

But this boom could be coming at a huge environmental cost.

The gas, widely used in the manufacture of flat screen TVs, is estimated to be 17,000 times as powerful as carbon dioxide. . . .Levels of this gas in the atmosphere have not been measured, but scientists say it is a concern and are calling for it to be included in any future emissions cutting agreement.

Professor Michael Prather from the University of California has highlighted the issue in an article for the magazine New Scientist.

He has told ABC's The World Today program that output of the gas needs to be measured.

"One of my titles for this paper was Going Below Kyoto's Radar. It's the kind of gas that's made in huge amounts," he said.

"Not only is it not in the Kyoto Treaty but you don't even have to report it. That's the part that worries me."

He estimates 4,000 tons of NF3 will be produced in 2008 and that number is likely to double next year.

"We don't know what's emitted, but what they're producing every year dwarfs these giant coal-fired power plants that are like the biggest in the world," he said.

"And it dwarfs two of the Kyoto gases. So the real question we don't know is how much is escaping and getting out."

Dr Paul Fraser is the chief research scientist at the CSIRO's marine and atmospheric research centre, and an IPCC author.

He says without measuring the quantity of NF3 in the atmosphere it is unclear what impact it will have on the climate.

"We haven't observed it in the atmosphere. It's probably there in very low concentrations," he said.

"The key to whether it's a problem or not is how much is released to the atmosphere."


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This is plain old "Mule Fritters" to quote that great American sage Col. Sherman T. Potter. I agree it is nothing more than someone looking for a grant. I think these people just look at what people enjopy and find a way to say it is bad for the enviorment so they can scare money out of the politicians and foundations.

[rhvfd1214]

I have been under the impression for years that all of the global warming, or "save the planet" supporters are actually trying to use the feeling of guilt created by these "problems" to make people feel better when they pay higher taxes, fines, or fees. Of course, all of the increases in revenue from taxes, fines, and fees usually go towards funding more "research" by those who declared it a problem.

[FWDbuff]

Al Gore's personal home is what is causing global warming!

[Firemedic 61]

"We don't know what's emitted, but what they're producing every year dwarfs these giant coal-fired power plants that are like the biggest in the world,"

WTF?

Calling Al Gore, where are you Al Gore. I know burning of fossil fuels is killing the ozone, but the ice age ended before we started driving cars.

[DaSharkie]

WTF?

Calling Al Gore, where are you Al Gore.


He is too busy fighting global warming by globe trotting in private jets to accept environmental awards. He is also too busy criss-crossing our great nation in the same private jets stumping for Obama.

One must love his continued hypocracy.

[Emberxx]

Oh...right...absolutely no truth whatsoever to that whole 'global warming' thing. Just those damn tree huggers spouting nonsensical nonsense.



http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080628/sc_afp/usclimateenvironmentarctic_080 628162607

http://shakespearessister.blogspot.co m/2006/06/and-speaking-of-global-warming.html

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

Oh...right...absolutely no truth whatsoever to that whole 'global warming' thing. Just those damn tree huggers spouting nonsensical nonsense.



http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080628/sc_afp/usclimateenvironmentarctic_080 628162607

http://shakespearessister.blogspot.co m/2006/06/and-speaking-of-global-warming.html


No one ever said that the earth is not going through a period where the temperatures are getting warmer. I will concede that it is.

What is utter nonsense is that we caused it and that we can do anything to prevent it or change its course.

What is even a bigger pile of crap is that, specifically, the United States is the chief offender.

See if Paul the Spud :rolleyes: can come up with any evidence to support those theories.

[DaSharkie]

Oh...right...absolutely no truth whatsoever to that whole 'global warming' thing. Just those damn tree huggers spouting nonsensical nonsense.



http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080628/sc_afp/usclimateenvironmentarctic_080 628162607

http://shakespearessister.blogspot.co m/2006/06/and-speaking-of-global-warming.html

I agree with George. How much is Human linked? No way to be sure, probably a fair amount.

For instance, bovine flatulence contributes a significant amount of "greenhouse gasses" to the environment. Part of that from cattle in the western societies being fed corn which a bovine G.I. System is not made to digest so it produces a lot more gas. The almighty U.N. has released studies of this.

China and India are two hugely growing economies which are dramatically increasing their own carbon emissions - with China having at least 1 new coal-fired power plant on line each week......And China has little environmental policy or laws in place.

Our own nation, who is supposedly full of environmentally friendly people decries "green" power when it is anywhere near them. My case in point being Cape Wind off of Cape Cod, MA. We have as many sof-professed tree-hugging hypocrites here showing their NIMBY attitude about putting wind turbines in the water because they might see the little strobe light on top of the turbine on a picture-perfect crystal-clear night. So they have fought it in the courts for YEARS increasing the overall cost of the power plants. So who might be against this? The almoghty Senator Ted Kennedy, his nephew and supposed "ardent" environmentalist Robert Kennedy Jr., David MucCullough (the author of 1776 and several other historical novels), and a large contingent of extremely wealthy individuals who would rather have it put where their blue blood would not be offended.



There is a combination of factors affecting the climate, but the environmental crowd will not seem to acknowledge this and it is all human based. And the scientific community is not exactly at one might call a concensus on this matter either.

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

I agree with George. How much is Human linked? No way to be sure, probably a fair amount.

For instance, bovine flatulence contributes a significant amount of "greenhouse gasses" to the environment. Part of that from cattle in the western societies being fed corn which a bovine G.I. System is not made to digest so it produces a lot more gas. The almighty U.N. has released studies of this.

China and India are two hugely growing economies which are dramatically increasing their own carbon emissions - with China having at least 1 new coal-fired power plant on line each week......And China has little environmental policy or laws in place.

Our own nation, who is supposedly full of environmentally friendly people decries "green" power when it is anywhere near them. My case in point being Cape Wind off of Cape Cod, MA. We have as many sof-professed tree-hugging hypocrites here showing their NIMBY attitude about putting wind turbines in the water because they might see the little strobe light on top of the turbine on a picture-perfect crystal-clear night. So they have fought it in the courts for YEARS increasing the overall cost of the power plants. So who might be against this? The almoghty Senator Ted Kennedy, his nephew and supposed "ardent" environmentalist Robert Kennedy Jr., David MucCullough (the author of 1776 and several other historical novels), and a large contingent of extremely wealthy individuals who would rather have it put where their blue blood would not be offended.



There is a combination of factors affecting the climate, but the environmental crowd will not seem to acknowledge this and it is all human based. And the scientific community is not exactly at one might call a concensus on this matter either.

The tree-huggers would have you believe that the scientific community is lock-step in agreement on this issue. Nothing could be further from the truth.

My favorite point in this debate when they start talking about a crisis is that the earth has been around for tens of thousands of years, at least. Yet, we have only been collecting climatological data for a tiny fraction of that time. Under any scientific standard, there is insufficient data to opine about anything.

Kind of like investigating a house fire while sitting in your car.

[Steamer]

Let's see....the world's total population in 1900 was 1.6 Billion. Today's estimate is about 6.6 Billion. I wonder what the carbon footprint for an additional 5 Billion exhaling and flatulent people would be?

The UN study was faulty, Shark because while they considered the effect of bovine flatulence, they failed to consider the presence of the millions of bison that had been present prior to the surge in the bovine population. I'd bet the difference wouldn't be all that much. I'll also bet you could get some federal money to do a study though. ;)

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

Yeah, but what was dinosaur flatulence like?

Harve, weren't you around then?

[DaSharkie]

Harve, weren't you around then?


Nice one George........But you can't be all that far behind Harve........Besides, Harve is still feeling.......shall we say.......FRISKAY as mentioned in a few other mildly hijacked threads. Better keep up with the old man.

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

Nice one George........But you can't be all that far behind Harve........Besides, Harve is still feeling.......shall we say.......FRISKAY as mentioned in a few other mildly hijacked threads. Better keep up with the old man.

49 years young. And all my parts are working just fine, thank you.

[LCFD1L101]

Oh...right...absolutely no truth whatsoever to that whole 'global warming' thing. Just those damn tree huggers spouting nonsensical nonsense.



http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080628/sc_afp/usclimateenvironmentarctic_080 628162607

http://shakespearessister.blogspot.co m/2006/06/and-speaking-of-global-warming.html

Your second link is pretty top notch. I searched around it for about 10 seconds to find the FAQs, they completely fit my discription of normal.

My two favorates Quotes are

"Actually, douching was a terribly anti-woman practice designed to make women feel ashamed about their natural body odor. "

"QCoFM is an abbreviation for Queen *unt of *uck Mountain, which I christened myself in response to emails I'd been getting about my coarse and decidedly unladylike language"

http://shakespearessister.blogspot.co m/2004/10/inside-jokes-faqs-wev.html#click3

[Ha11igan]

Leave it to the left to declare anything that makes life easier, generates wealth, or is fun a global warming (ahh hem climate change) cause.

It is all about taxes and control. Well, taxes are control.

[Ha11igan]

I have been under the impression for years that all of the global warming, or "save the planet" supporters are actually trying to use the feeling of guilt created by these "problems" to make people feel better when they pay higher taxes, fines, or fees. Of course, all of the increases in revenue from taxes, fines, and fees usually go towards funding more "research" by those who declared it a problem.



EXACTLY!!!

[rhvfd1214]

EXACTLY!!!

Even though I was in high school as recently as the early '90s, I still remember the notion that "Golbal Cooling" was going to destroy the earth because the pollution was going to block out the sun's energy.

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

Even though I was in high school as recently as the early '90s, I still remember the notion that "Golbal Cooling" was going to destroy the earth because the pollution was going to block out the sun's energy.

But once the money for "Global Cooling" ran out...

[hwoods]

49 years young. And all my parts are working just fine, thank you.

Mine Too, Thank you. How the heck did I miss this one, up to now, anyway? BTW, I got you by 17 Years....... And Dinosaurs aren't dead, just go to any State Fire Association meeting....... :eek:

[wombat]

If it is nonsense then I wish someone could explain why it has not rained properly in the South East of Australia for over 10 years. Ground water levels have dropped, rivers have dried up and most of the reservoirs are almost empty. Extreme fire weather is now the norm every summer.

The South East corner is a small part of a large world however it is one of the 3 worst places for brush fires based on long term loss and risk statistics.
The other places are California and the South of France. It is where you would expect problems would first occur. Of course the brothers in Cal have not experienced any problems in the last few years from increased risk have they?

[flamewalker25]

But once the money for "Global Cooling" ran out...

You are smack on the money! This is nothing more than a money pull by the liberal left. Folks, this planet has experienced ice ages and periods of unusually hot/dry weather, and guess what...IT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN!!! We can switch all of our cars and trucks over to run on hydrogen and guess what will happen. Once the fear of global warming has been quelled, then the socialist @$$holes, i.e-Obama, Kennedy, Kerry, Pelosi, Boxer, Gore, etc. will then come out saying that due to our selfish American ways we have increased the Earth's hydrogen levels to a point where drastic measures (tax increases) must be taken. And the cycle begins again. Scare the public, the public turns to government for answers, government requires more power, public gives away more freedom in exchange for government power.

The more the left can scare the ever-living sh*t out of people the more apt people will be to turn to the BIG government for answers rather than trying to solve things for themselves.

As one of the above posts was talking about, I went through high school and early college in the '90's and the talk was all about greenhouse gases throwing the planet into another ice age. I guess that got old. Now the left looks to a study performed by NASA that collected data on temperatures from all over the country. Great idea, except that the locations where the thermometers were located (placed by NASA) were in all sorts of great locations, like directly in the path of an exhaust vent outside of a hotel, or inside a metal building that is surrounded by BLACK ASPHAULT!!! Are we seriously going to let this beautiful, wonderful country get scared into believing this load of crap from these anti-American socialist b*st*rds?!

Sorry for the long tirade, but I went through my entire time at Missouri Southern State University getting my political science degree and I was the only conservative in my class 4-5 yrs ago. It just infuriates me the absolute swill that gets preached at these institutions to which my tax $$ goes.

If you disagree with me, then that's your right. But you most likely also drink the liberal Kool-Aid and don't care for our boys and ladies in the military also. You should thank God (and yes I capitalized His name because he does exist) everyday for my brother in the Navy, my cousin in the Marines, and my best friend in the Army. I know you won't but you should regardless.

If you do agree with me...Give me a "BUMP"!!!!

[jasper45]

If it is nonsense then I wish someone could explain why it has not rained properly in the South East of Australia for over 10 years. Ground water levels have dropped, rivers have dried up and most of the reservoirs are almost empty. Extreme fire weather is now the norm every summer.

So, one small part of the world, based on one persons opinion, with no facts presented, and we should take that as Gospel-OK, I'm in.

On second thought, based on one small part of the world, with only a few years to base an opinion off from, I'll say again that we just don't really know now, do we?

Tell me now, did the last ice age end due to the internal combustion engine?

[Jay911]

Besides the fact that the world has been cooling and heating alternatively every few thousand years since it first cooled off, the other thing that drives me up the wall is that the environmental sky-falling type will say, in the same breath, that the polar ice caps are going to melt and flood us all out, destroying the entire ecosystem, and that we are going to run out of water if we don't start using it respectfully!!

[rhvfd1214]

Does anybody talk about the "hole in the Ozone Layer" anymore?

I've often wondered why big cities that have poor air quality, because of high levels of Ozone, wouldn't open a few cans of R-12 Freon so the CFC's could deplete the ozone that causes smog. Then again, why not package the ground level ozone, and transport it to the atmosphere where it can fill in the hole. Nobody wants to see Polar Bears with sunburns.

Has anybody seen the video of the polar bear floating away on a chunk of ice? Poor Bear. They say he might starve to death because he is stranded on the ice.. Suckers sure swim good at the zoo, though.. You would think the one in the wild would know how to, as well.

[hwoods]

Has anybody seen the video of the polar bear floating away on a chunk of ice? Poor Bear. They say he might starve to death because he is stranded on the ice.. Suckers sure swim good at the zoo, though.. You would think the one in the wild would know how to, as well.


Floating away on a chunk of Ice?? You mean the Poor Bear didn't own a Triton? :D :D :D :D :D

[Emberxx]

Besides the fact that the world has been cooling and heating alternatively every few thousand years since it first cooled off, the other thing that drives me up the wall is that the environmental sky-falling type will say, in the same breath, that the polar ice caps are going to melt and flood us all out, destroying the entire ecosystem, and that we are going to run out of water if we don't start using it respectfully!!

Well, unless you happen to own a desalinization plant you're pretty much sol with water from the ice caps - since they happen to be ocean water...and thus, SALT water.

But hey - drink away my friend.

[hwoods]

Well, unless you happen to own a desalinization plant you're pretty much sol with water from the ice caps - since they happen to be ocean water...and thus, SALT water.

But hey - drink away my friend.


Well, time to check on this item. I always had the theory that the ice caps were fresh water ice, since the ice occured as snowfall onto an existing landmass. Most of the Antartic is solid ground, with snow/ice on top, yet it is referred to as a "Polar Ice Cap". Glaciers, in particular, are created with fresh water, with some of them having a Bottom that is Hundreds of feet above Sea Level. Time to do some research................... Be Back Later........ :)

[Steamer]

Well, time to check on this item. I always had the theory that the ice caps were fresh water ice, since the ice occured as snowfall onto an existing landmass. Most of the Antartic is solid ground, with snow/ice on top, yet it is referred to as a "Polar Ice Cap". Glaciers, in particular, are created with fresh water, with some of them having a Bottom that is Hundreds of feet above Sea Level. Time to do some research................... Be Back Later........ :)
You're right, Harve. Glaciers are freshwater, and that is the reason for the concern about desalinization of the North Atlantic. That could in theory affect things like the Gulf Stream and the weather patterns it affects.

There are large chunks of sea ice, but the two are different things.

USGS site on glacier FAQ's (http://ak.water.usgs.gov/glaciology/FAQ.htm)

[volfirie]

Thanks Steamer - fascinating!

[Jay911]

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee99/jay911_50/fun/0328080212.jpg

[flamewalker25]

That, sir, is the greatest billboard I have ever seen!!!! Where is it?

[Jay911]

That, sir, is the greatest billboard I have ever seen!!!! Where is it?

I have no idea.. I found it on a funny pictures thread on another forum. :)

[neiowa]

If it is nonsense then I wish someone could explain why it has not rained properly in the South East of Australia for over 10 years. Ground water levels have dropped, rivers have dried up and most of the reservoirs are almost empty. Extreme fire weather is now the norm every summer.


Because it's a desert/savanna???

Raining way above "normal' (for recent years) in the much of the US midwest/plains. Another bumper harvest likely dispite damage due to flooding (excessive rain) here in Iowa.

The hyperventaliation crowd can predict global warming but can't accurately predict local weather 48hr out?

RE Polar Bears etc. Arctic ice cap may be shrinking but Antarctic is growing (and as I recall it's snow not frozen seawater). Polar Bear population is substantially larger than anytime since serious population studies have been conducted.

Anyhow, more temperate climate should ease extraction of Crude Oil from Anwar. Drill now, drill often, drill here.

[FlyingKiwi]

George.

I did as you said and read it closely, but staring at the screen from two inches away has hurt my eyes.

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

George.

I did as you said and read it closely, but staring at the screen from two inches away has hurt my eyes.

Where have you been?

[ChiefKN]

If it is nonsense then I wish someone could explain why it has not rained properly in the South East of Australia for over 10 years. Ground water levels have dropped, rivers have dried up and most of the reservoirs are almost empty. Extreme fire weather is now the norm every summer.

The South East corner is a small part of a large world however it is one of the 3 worst places for brush fires based on long term loss and risk statistics.
The other places are California and the South of France. It is where you would expect problems would first occur. Of course the brothers in Cal have not experienced any problems in the last few years from increased risk have they?

Because the climate is changing in your part of the world. I mean, after all at one point in the earth's history my town in New Jersey was covered in a mile of ice. Talk about global warming!

It's what is causing it that is really being debated.

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

Because it's a desert/savanna???

Raining way above "normal' (for recent years) in the much of the US midwest/plains. Another bumper harvest likely dispite damage due to flooding (excessive rain) here in Iowa.

The hyperventaliation crowd can predict global warming but can't accurately predict local weather 48hr out?

RE Polar Bears etc. Arctic ice cap may be shrinking but Antarctic is growing (and as I recall it's snow not frozen seawater). Polar Bear population is substantially larger than anytime since serious population studies have been conducted.

Anyhow, more temperate climate should ease extraction of Crude Oil from Anwar. Drill now, drill often, drill here.

Raining like crazy in the midwest, and then go only 750 miles away to the Southeast and it hasn't rained normal there in years.

Climatological cycles have been around since Mrs. Noah told Noah to take his umbrella because it looks like rain. They will be here thousands of years from now. Nothing but nothing that man (especially man from the US) has done, can do or will do can alter these cycles. Nothing.

NOTE: I am not advocating being environmentally irresponsible.

[Geinandputitout]

Because it's a desert/savanna???

Raining way above "normal' (for recent years) in the much of the US midwest/plains. Another bumper harvest likely dispite damage due to flooding (excessive rain) here in Iowa.

The hyperventaliation crowd can predict global warming but can't accurately predict local weather 48hr out?

RE Polar Bears etc. Arctic ice cap may be shrinking but Antarctic is growing (and as I recall it's snow not frozen seawater). Polar Bear population is substantially larger than anytime since serious population studies have been conducted.

Anyhow, more temperate climate should ease extraction of Crude Oil from Anwar. Drill now, drill often, drill here.

12% off of last years harvest.

[volfirie]

Because it's a desert/savanna???

My State. The one in the south east corner of the country. Desert? Yes. Savanna? Yes. And rainforest. Smallest mainland State and we've got the lot!

Rainfall stuffed? Certainly - but we've had ten year droughts before. Temperatures rising? Well, the Bureau of Meteorology keep telling us that it's the 'hottest day/month/season since' - which says to me that, well, it's happened before? They tell us that it's the 'dryest month/season since' - once again, looks like it's happened before? When I was in my low teens, (no, I'm not as old as Noah, almost, but not quite) we had a drought of several years, we had much longer periods of intense heat. It's all happened before.

Cyclic weather patterns.

Yes, 'we', meaning the 'world population', are creating too much pollution. Have you seen the lovely smog in Beijing, makes LA look good! Us 'western' countries create too much. The 'developing world' create too much. Time to think about usage of natural resources? Yes. Time to think about doing things in a 'clean' manner? Yes. Time to panic? Not this little blue duck (my uniform is blue, of course).

[ChiefKN]

Yes, 'we', meaning the 'world population', are creating too much pollution. Have you seen the lovely smog in Beijing, makes LA look good! Us 'western' countries create too much. The 'developing world' create too much. Time to think about usage of natural resources? Yes. Time to think about doing things in a 'clean' manner? Yes. Time to panic? Not this little blue duck (my uniform is blue, of course).

I was just talking to a friend who just got back from California's wildfires.

He said the smoke inversion was so bad for the first four days that visibility was less than 1/4 mile and each inhale was like being next to a smoker.

I also heard a great tidbit that sand from the Gobi desert blows so much that they find it in the mainland US.

Not all pollution is manmade, but I see no harm in trying to limit our contribution.

[ScareCrow57]

A topic dear to my heart and one which I have researched extensively. CO2 is not the major Greenhouse Gas (GHG), Water Vapor is. H2O makes up about 2% to 4% of the atmosphere, CO2 is about 0.4%, and then there are the other trace gases like Ozone, NO2, methane, etc. Key here is that H2O is the major player. CO2 accounts for just 10% of the total of all GHG. Of all the CO2 produced, man's contribution is around 5%. Man's total contribution to the GHG is about 0.005% Practically negligible.

Al Gore's film has been debunked and shown to be more fiction than fact. However, that doesn't stop the left in their quest to control and tax. They make claims that the debate is over to try to eliminate debate on the issue they try to silence the debate. When that doesn't work the attempt to smear and discredit any scientist who speaks out against their view point. Recall that Pythagarus was went against the "consensus" in claiming the earth was flat. Now we are faced with the new flat earth society, those who believe that mankind can control the worlds climate.

The science is not settled.
Changes in CO2 have minimal effect on global climate.
People often confuse local climate with global climate
While some Glaciers are melting others are growing. In fact, West Antarctica is melting at astonishing rates, however, east Antarctica is growing at a faster rate, thus the net amount of ice is growing, not shrinking.
The climate has always gone through ups and downs. In fact at one time CO2 was near 7,000 ppm, much higher than today's 380 ppm
Research shows that in a warmer world there will be fewer hurricanes and they will be less intense, contrary to the leftist view.
2,000 people will die because of warmer climates, but wait, 20,000 more will survive because of warmer winters.

Bottom line, we have chicken little, the boy who cried wolf, and the emperors new clothes all rolled up into one big fairy tale called Anthropogenic Global Warming.

[doughesson]

So,why are both campaigns hauling reporters with nothing to do but cover what the candidates are doing outside the bathroom and restroom(and wishing they had the scoop on that as well!) and causing Al Gore apoplexy over the carbon emissions when they could ask that the networks assign reporters from local station to cover speeches and conventions?
Couldn't they save fuel and their environmental souls by doing that?

[rhvfd1214]

The last time I hugged an Oak tree, it didn't complain about my carbon emissions. Maybe the alcohol content, but definately not the carbon emissions. :D

[hwoods]

Where have you been?


Based on careful analysis, particularly the anal part, of his post, I'd say he's been at the Pub. Waaayyyy too long at the Pub. :D :D :D :p

[FlyingKiwi]

The penguins ice skating in our driveway agree things are normal, more or less.

[ScareCrow57]

What about the poor declining polar bear population? Oh wait, that's right the population is growing. Poor whackers are losing every argument. One by one their myths are being exposed.

[hwoods]

What about the poor declining polar bear population? Oh wait, that's right the population is growing. Poor whackers are losing every argument. One by one their myths are being exposed.

Bro. Scarecrow has an excellent point. In line with that idea, maybe we should come up with a new "Party Symbol" for the Dems. The Jacka** has kinda grown tired, maybe he should be replaced with....... (Drum Roll, Please) ..................
CHICKEN LITTLE :D :D :D

[ScareCrow57]

Bro. Scarecrow has an excellent point. In line with that idea, maybe we should come up with a new "Party Symbol" for the Dems. The Jacka** has kinda grown tired, maybe he should be replaced with....... (Drum Roll, Please) ..................
CHICKEN LITTLE :D :D :D

There ya go again. Coffee all over the screen. :D :D

[doughesson]

Well, the Bureau of Meteorology keep telling us that it's the 'hottest day/month/season since' - which says to me that, well, it's happened before? They tell us that it's the 'dryest month/season since' - once again, looks like it's happened before?
Cyclic weather patterns.

Time to think about usage of natural resources? Yes. Time to think about doing things in a 'clean' manner? Yes. Time to panic? Not this little blue duck (my uniform is blue, of course).


And when they post the record high or low,it's usually over 50 years ago that it happened.Occasionally,I'll see a record set in the last 20 years.
It doesn't mean that if we don't do anything right effing now,then "The Day After Tomorrow" will be too late.It does mean to start thinking of other ways to do jobs with different power sources.
Let's get thiose other sources developed before we stop using natural resources like oil and coal.

[hwoods]

The Environuts are not talking to the Econonuts. What would the disappearance of the Coal traffic do to the River Trade?........


Huge surplus of Barges, Fleets of Towboats tied up, Lots of people in welfare lines.............. :mad: :mad:

[ScareCrow57]

And when they post the record high or low,it's usually over 50 years ago that it happened.Occasionally,I'll see a record set in the last 20 years.
It doesn't mean that if we don't do anything right effing now,then "The Day After Tomorrow" will be too late.It does mean to start thinking of other ways to do jobs with different power sources.
Let's get thiose other sources developed before we stop using natural resources like oil and coal.

Not for nothing, but we have already developed Hydro, Nuclear, and wind power. You just can't set up the plants because some enviro will oppose them.

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

And when they post the record high or low,it's usually over 50 years ago that it happened.Occasionally,I'll see a record set in the last 20 years.
It doesn't mean that if we don't do anything right effing now,then "The Day After Tomorrow" will be too late.It does mean to start thinking of other ways to do jobs with different power sources.


That's why they call it a "cycle".

[ScareCrow57]

On the topic of cycle. Look at Al Whores infamous graph from the ice core records. There is a 150,000 year cycle of warm periods (interglacial) and cold periods (glacial). Won't be long before we are plunged into another ice age. Then we will have to pump CO2 into the air to warm it up :rolleyes:

[doughesson]

Not for nothing, but we have already developed Hydro, Nuclear, and wind power. You just can't set up the plants because some enviro will oppose them.
Excepting hydro and nukes,the technology still is not mature enough for the widespread applications that the world needs.
One windmill doesn't have enough oomph to power a single family home and Al Gore's house is said to use MORE power from the grid than it did before he had the upgrades done.(Try as I might,I don't see him climbing a ladder to add solar panels to his house)

[doughesson]

That's why they call it a "cycle".


You mean it's gotten hot BEFORE?I never heard that.I thought heat was something that happened in the 90s when people started screaming that schools needed air conditioning.
Next thing you know,you'll be telling me that the interior United States was covered by an ocean before the water drained or evaporated off so people could live on the ground underneath all that water.

[doughesson]

On the topic of cycle. Look at Al Whores infamous graph from the ice core records. There is a 150,000 year cycle of warm periods (interglacial) and cold periods (glacial). Won't be long before we are plunged into another ice age. Then we will have to pump CO2 into the air to warm it up :rolleyes:

Early last year,I was driving an ice cream truck when three teenagers flagged me down wanting to put global warming posters on my van.This was in April on a weekend when the high was 50 degrees.
They got real hostile when I told them"Hey.Thirty years ago,Al Gore was wanting to set off nukes to melt the ice caps and avoid an ice age.The man doesn't have enough smarts to know how to solve any real problems,much less one that Man cannot control like the weather."
Humans will adapt to changing weather.And even if we can't and we all die off,soon enough on a geological scale other life will start up and maybe even humand will evolve again as well.Just because this particular flavor of Homo Sapiens may not be around doesn't mean that it won't happen.

[ScareCrow57]

Excepting hydro and nukes,the technology still is not mature enough for the widespread applications that the world needs.
One windmill doesn't have enough oomph to power a single family home and Al Gore's house is said to use MORE power from the grid than it did before he had the upgrades done.(Try as I might,I don't see him climbing a ladder to add solar panels to his house)

I suggest you look here Maple Ridge Wind Farm ( http://www.mapleridgewind.com/) This site produces 240 MW of power. The missing link is the infrastructure needed. Be sure to look at the photos, those are some big windmills capable of powering several homes

[doughesson]

I suggest you look here Maple Ridge Wind Farm ( http://www.mapleridgewind.com/) This site produces 240 MW of power. The missing link is the infrastructure needed. Be sure to look at the photos, those are some big windmills capable of powering several homes

Still,the news keeps showing windmill farms taking up acres and acres of space to power small towns or multiple solar panels and small windmills to power ONE home.
You'd think a newsie who was taught to gather the "who,what,when,where and why" of a story before printing it would find your website to show those MW windmills to show that the technology is mature enough.

[ScareCrow57]

Still,the news keeps showing windmill farms taking up acres and acres of space to power small towns or multiple solar panels and small windmills to power ONE home.
You'd think a newsie who was taught to gather the "who,what,when,where and why" of a story before printing it would find your website to show those MW windmills to show that the technology is mature enough.

LMAO!!! Yea, imagine the media getting ti right one time? I recently took a little trip, we made a connection in Philly. On the way in towards Philly we flew over a large wind farm. It was a row of windmills on a ridge I suspect it was several miles long as we were over it for a couple of minutes. I did look up Wind Farms in PA; interesting link I found Commercial Wind Power in Pennsylvania (http://www.actionpa.org/cleanenergy/wind.html)

Interesting is the last entry in the chart. King's Mountain Resort
(withdrawn due to homeowner lawsuit / logging issues). Damn anti-environmentalist!!!!

[Raughammer1]

LMAO!!! Yea, imagine the media getting ti right one time? I recently took a little trip, we made a connection in Philly. On the way in towards Philly we flew over a large wind farm. It was a row of windmills on a ridge I suspect it was several miles long as we were over it for a couple of minutes. I did look up Wind Farms in PA; interesting link I found Commercial Wind Power in Pennsylvania (http://www.actionpa.org/cleanenergy/wind.html)

Interesting is the last entry in the chart. King's Mountain Resort
(withdrawn due to homeowner lawsuit / logging issues). Damn anti-environmentalist!!!!


I have not checked out these websites, but i got this post in my email and thought it was interesting, happy reading - Raughammer
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Did you know:
More than 500%! Wind resources could provide more than 5 times the
electricity we need. North Dakota alone has sufficient wind resources to
meet one-third of America?s electricity needs. The midsection of the US
isn?t called the ?Saudi Arabia of wind? for nothing.

http://www.wecansolveit.org/

This page was also interesting:

http://www.wecansolveit.org/content/solution/adoption_of_renewables/

excerpts:

* * Wind Power:* The United States added enough wind power in 2007
alone to provide electricity to more than a million homes. Texas
is the fastest-growing wind power state and about 15% of the
country has excellent wind, especially the Great Plains. Today's
efficient wind turbines are sleek and powerful, and can be taller
than the Statue of Liberty with blades longer than the wings of a
Boeing 737. When connected together through a national grid, wind
power could provide at least one-third of our total electricity
needs.

* * Solar Thermal: *Solar thermal power -- which uses solar energy
to drive turbines -- already produces enough electricity in the
United States for about 100,000 homes, but several utilities have
announced projects to provide enough power for 10 times that many
homes in the next several years. And, because solar thermal power
plants can store energy to produce electricity at night, they can
be installed in place of new coal power plants. Just a small area
of solar thermal in the Southwest could supply all of the US
electricity needs.

* * Solar Photovoltaics:* States like California and New Jersey are
already implementing programs to encourage communities to install
solar panels in new homes, buildings, and even on parking lot
roofs. Solar photovoltaics, which can now be integrated into roof
tiles, have no moving parts and can even produce electricity on
cloudy days. It will become more common as global installations of
photovoltaics grow by an expected 800% in the next 10 years. If
these systems were installed on all sunny buildings in the US, we
could supply at least one-quarter of our electricity needs.

* * Geothermal Power: *Today, the United States is the leading
producer of geothermal power, producing enough electricity from
underground hot rocks for more than 2 million homes. Experts say
that we could have 15-30 times as much power over the next few
decades thanks to recent advances in geothermal technology.

[ScareCrow57]

Yes, the big problem is the Midwest has most of the wind, which means they need to build the infrastructure to get the wind from the Midwest to the coast were people live.

Of course this is the ultra liberal web site set up by Al Gore proclaiming that we can control global climate and that there is a problem. The problem is we cannot control the atmosphere and global climate and there is no crisis. The only crisis is the one manufactured by folks like Gore and his fictional movie the Inconvenient Truth (aka the Convenient Lie)

[Raughammer1]

Yes, the big problem is the Midwest has most of the wind, which means they need to build the infrastructure to get the wind from the Midwest to the coast were people live.

Of course this is the ultra liberal web site set up by Al Gore proclaiming that we can control global climate and that there is a problem. The problem is we cannot control the atmosphere and global climate and there is no crisis. The only crisis is the one manufactured by folks like Gore and his fictional movie the Inconvenient Truth (aka the Convenient Lie)


Gore = the "We can solve it" web site?? I did not know that, thanks the for the heads up.

I have to admit some of the things the email touted seemed pretty far fetched.

-----------

“I’m trying to save the planet; I’m trying to save the planet. I will not have this [energy] debate trivialized by their excuse for their failed policy. I respect the office that I hold. And when you win the election, you win the majority, and what is the power of the speaker? To set the agenda, the power of recognition, and I am not giving the gavel away to anyone.” —Nancy Pelosi, who refuses to allow offshore drilling

[hwoods]

Yes, the big problem is the Midwest has most of the wind.


WRONG!!!


The vast majority of the Wind is concentrated in Washington DC................ :D :D :D



Except when everyone goes home for recess..........:eek: :eek: :p

[ChiefKN]

WRONG!!!


The vast majority of the Wind is concentrated in Washington DC................ :D :D :D



Except when everyone goes home for recess..........:eek: :eek: :p

And it's a hot wind...

[ScareCrow57]

WRONG!!!


The vast majority of the Wind is concentrated in Washington DC................ :D :D :D



Except when everyone goes home for recess..........:eek: :eek: :p

WELL!!!! I don't think anyone can argue that point.

[Emberxx]

Thought this might be interesting:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/science/08/18/dead.zone/index.html

[DaSharkie]

Thought this might be interesting:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/science/08/18/dead.zone/index.html

Appreciate the support for the same thing I have been saying for months. This dead zone is only going to increase in severity and size with increased corn production for the abysmal failure thurst upon us by Harve's aforementioned useless, moronic, self righteous twits in D.C. with the Ethanol Bill.

Love it. The environmentalists push it on us as being a saving grace, when it was not.......and causes more environmental damage than we were led to believe.....in many ways.

[doughesson]

Yes, the big problem is the Midwest has most of the wind, which means they need to build the infrastructure to get the wind from the Midwest to the coast were people live.

Of course this is the ultra liberal web site set up by Al Gore proclaiming that we can control global climate and that there is a problem.

I am sure that just like the North American continent having over 25% of the world's natural resources,someone in another country will claim that this is unfair and host another dinner where some of the guests get a 7 course meal with all the trimmings while the remainder get a bowl of rice to show the inequity of resource allocation.This despite the fact that no one living now got to decided where the oil,natural gas and other natural resources would be placed.
Maybe they should blame "Gaea" or whoever environmentalists worship for placing resources where us nasty Americans could get at them and sell them to others.

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

Yup. We're doomed to boil right off the planet.

This year so far coolest for at least 5 years: WMO

Reuters - Wednesday, August 20 05:18 pmLONDON (Reuters) -

The first half of 2008 was the coolest for at least five years, the World Meteorological Organisation (WMO) said on Wednesday.

The whole year will almost certainly be cooler than recent years, although temperatures remain above the historical average.

Global temperatures vary annually according to natural cycles. For example, they are driven by shifting ocean currents, and dips do not undermine the case that man-made greenhouse gas emissions are causing long-term global warming, climate scientists say.

Chillier weather this year is partly because of a global weather pattern called La Nina that follows a periodic warming effect called El Nino.

"We can expect with high probability this year will be cooler than the previous five years," said Omar Baddour, responsible for climate data and monitoring at the WMO.

"Definitely the La Nina should have had an effect, how much we cannot say."

"Up to July 2008, this year has been cooler than the previous five years at least. It still looks like it's warmer than average," added Baddour.

The global mean temperature to end-July was 0.28 degrees Celsius above the 1961-1990 average, the UK-based MetOffice Hadley Centre for climate change research said on Wednesday. That would make the first half of 2008 the coolest since 2000.

"Of course at the beginning of the year there was La Nina, and that would have had the effect of suppressing temperatures somewhat as well," Met Office meteorologist John Hammond said.

"But actually La Nina is showing signs of moving towards a more neutral state."

The weakening of the La Nina effect over the last few months could see the global mean temperature creep up again in the latter part of the year, he added.

The past decade ending in 2007 was the hottest since reliable records began around 1850, according to the WMO. World temperatures are about 0.74 Celsius (1.2 F) higher than a century ago.

The U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), a group of hundreds of scientists, last year said global warming was "unequivocal" and that manmade greenhouse gas emissions were very likely part of the problem.

The WMO releases its final figures for global temperature and ranking for 2008 in December.

[DaSharkie]

But George. All the environmental activists always say that the cololing weather in some parts is a direct result of global warming. :rolleyes:

Why can't you just see it their way George? Man is responsible for it all!

[GeorgeWendtCFI]

But George. All the environmental activists always say that the cololing weather in some parts is a direct result of global warming. :rolleyes:

Why can't you just see it their way George? Man is responsible for it all!

Ya see, that is where you are wrong.

The US Man is responsible for it all. Get it straight!

[DaSharkie]

Ya see, that is where you are wrong.

The US Man is responsible for it all. Get it straight!

Oh yeah. I forgot. Thanks for reminding me of the source of TRUE evil in this world.

[ScareCrow57]

But George. All the environmental activists always say that the cololing weather in some parts is a direct result of global warming. :rolleyes:

Why can't you just see it their way George? Man is responsible for it all!

Well it doesn't really matter what happens or what the facts really are. It will all be blamed on Global Warming. Earthquakes in China; Global Warming did it. Snow in Baghdad; Global Warming did it. Snowiest coldest winter on record; Global Warming did it.

The problem is that many moons ago there was a need for environmental activism. Heck people were dumping raw sewage and waste into rivers and lakes. But there no longer is a need. So people like Al Gore and his loony friends fabricate crisis after crisis, which simply don't exist. And the sad part is now they are actually forcing poor policy and poor decisions.

Used to be global cooling and the next ice age. Then there was the hole in the ozone. Now they fabricate a global crisis based on CO2. If one looks at the science they will find that man made CO2 accounts for roughly 0.05% of all greenhouse gases. The models that are used to predict future catastrophe are highly flawed and typically use CO2 as the forcing. They adjust the parameters to get the desired result. And the talk of more hurricanes, more severe hurricanes and more tropical storms. Turns out hat was wrong as well.

[hwoods]

This dead zone is only Harve's aforementioned useless, moronic, self righteous twits in D.C.


Yup!!!......... :D :D :D

[doughesson]

Just remember,the folks who cannot predict the weather for next weekend so we can plan a fishing,hunting or even (shudder)golf trip are the ones screaming that if we don't all start driving Prius',we'll be melting the ice caps in 10 years.

[Raughammer1]

There Goes The Sun


Environment: Al Gore’s been busy in recent years scaring everyone about what he’s sure is disastrous global warming. More ruinous, though, would be a deep cooling, which is the direction our planet might really be heading.



For most people, August was an unremarkable month. But for those who keep an eye on celestial events, it was an extraordinary 31 days. For the first time in nearly 100 years, the sun created no visible spots. The last time that happened: June 1913. While this caught some by surprise, it was expected by
two astronomers from the National Solar Observatory in Tucson, Ariz. Dailytech.com reports that in 2005, William Livingston and Matthew Penn, who had been noting small spectroscopic and magnetic changes in the sun, concluded that “within 10 years, sunspots would vanish entirely.”
While most see this as more news to yawn by, some are paying attention. One such person is Anthony Watts, a television meteorologist for a quarter-century and self-professed “green.” He drives an electric car, promotes conservation
and alternative energy, and is concerned about the consequences of decreased solar activity. “Let us all hope that they are wrong,” Watts wrote on his
blog wattsupwiththat.com. “For a solar epoch period like the Maunder Minimum inducing a Little Ice Age will be a worldwide catastrophe economically, socially, environmentally, and morally.” And all this time we’ve been told that we are committing ecocide, that a warmer planet will be the end of both man
and Earth. Forget warnings of catastrophic melting polar ice and rising
sea levels, though, and consider for a moment the effects of a warming Earth.
Food output would increase as growing seasons become longer and climates now too cold for agriculture evolve into temperate zones that can support crops. With a world population that is expected to grow from its current 6.7 billion
to 8.9 billion in 2050, harvests will have to become more abundant to keep up with the demand. A warming Earth would also mean a healthier human
race. Heat kills, but it’s not as deadly as cold.A1990s study found that cold-related deaths kill 80,000 year in the United Kingdom 100 times the number of those who die heat related deaths. Cold weather is lethal because it increases blood clots, which can lead to heart attacks and strokes, and promotes
the transmission of respiratory diseases, such as pneumonia and influenza, that are among the top causes of death in the U.S. and other developed nations. Thomas Gale Moore of the Hoover Institution figures that a temperature
increase of 2.5 degrees Celsius would cut deaths due to respiratory and circulatory diseases by roughly 40,000 a year. While global warmongers
talk in gloomy tones about SUV-induced droughts, higher temperatures
would actually boost precipitation. There is little or no argument among scientists
about this. On a planet with a growing population where as much as 40% of the
human race could be living in regions with insufficient water supplies by 2035, an increase in precipitation is not insignificant. Finally, a warmer planet would be a greener planet as well. Isn’t this what the environmentalists want more
green? Or is their real goal to roll back concrete, asphalt, steel and glass, the building blocks of human advancement and prosperity? No one can be sure how the sun will behave in the coming decades. There’s even disagreement over August’s solar activity. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
now thinks it saw a small sun spot on Aug. 21 while UCLA researchers still say it was a spotless month. But if historical patterns hold, the sun is entering a down
cycle that will make ours a more frosty world. The facts are enough to make Al Gore shiver.

[neiowa]

I have not checked out these websites, but i got this post in my email and thought it was interesting, happy reading - Raughammer
---
Did you know:
More than 500%! Wind resources could provide more than 5 times the
electricity we need. North Dakota alone has sufficient wind resources to
meet one-third of America?s electricity needs. The midsection of the US
isn?t called the ?Saudi Arabia of wind? for nothing.

I live in the wind belt of the upper midwest. You take a drive of 50mi on a major highway an you'l meet at least one overlenght semi hauling tower mast sections or blades. Things are going up everywhere.

Last week was in the upper 80s very humid (every AC running) drove thru of the large wind farms vic. Charles City, IA. Not a single blade was turning NO WIND. That is more than a theoretical problem. Texas had brownouts this spring when wind was justing/failed. Electricity in a modern nation must be continuous and reliable. If you have to construct maintain backup coal/gas/nuc powerplants why bother with the windmill toys? When wind dies you can't bring the real gensets up/on line in seconds, takes time.

20yr (or less) all these things are going to be worn out who is going to take down/restore the site? Or just call it pollution.

[ScareCrow57]

I live in the wind belt of the upper midwest. You take a drive of 50mi on a major highway an you'l meet at least one overlenght semi hauling tower mast sections or blades. Things are going up everywhere.

Last week was in the upper 80s very humid (every AC running) drove thru of the large wind farms vic. Charles City, IA. Not a single blade was turning NO WIND. That is more than a theoretical problem. Texas had brownouts this spring when wind was justing/failed. Electricity in a modern nation must be continuous and reliable. If you have to construct maintain backup coal/gas/nuc powerplants why bother with the windmill toys? When wind dies you can't bring the real gensets up/on line in seconds, takes time.

20yr (or less) all these things are going to be worn out who is going to take down/restore the site? Or just call it pollution.


What has to happen is there need to be better infrastructure. That is, the wind is always blowing somewhere. So there needs to be the power grid in place to move the electricity to where the wind isn't blowing.

[ChiefKN]

What has to happen is there need to be better infrastructure. That is, the wind is always blowing somewhere. So there needs to be the power grid in place to move the electricity to where the wind isn't blowing.

Get huge diesel powered fans.

[hwoods]

Get huge diesel powered fans.



Thanks. I almost dumped a Root Beer Float into my keyboard........:eek: :eek: :eek:

[MTKROUSH]

Get huge diesel powered fans.

Not exactly but close. I think. uninformed, backwoods hillbilly that I am that he meant for wind to work as a viable energy source that the storage capabilities need to be there. Transmission capabilities need to improve and then if all else fails get them huge ass fans and let em rip

[volfirie]

I hate this global warming. It's got to stop - something HAS to be done! Read this, courtesy of heraldsun.com.au (a local news service):

"If you have felt unusually cold this winter, it has not been your imagination.
Melbourne has shivered through its coldest winter in 10 years"


They followed that statement with:
"But early forecasts suggest spring, starting tomorrow, will bring above-average temperatures and sunny days in the lead up to a blistering summer."

Funny, I remember those things being said a few times over the years. But I still don't like that 'blistering summer' bit...

[ScareCrow57]

Not exactly but close. I think. uninformed, backwoods hillbilly that I am that he meant for wind to work as a viable energy source that the storage capabilities need to be there. Transmission capabilities need to improve and then if all else fails get them huge ass fans and let em rip

Correct. The need to put in some bigger wires, if you will, that are capable of moving large amounts of wattages. I have also seen times when the wind is blowing and yet no windmills producing, why, because the price is wrong.

[ScareCrow57]

I hate this global warming. It's got to stop - something HAS to be done! Read this, courtesy of heraldsun.com.au (a local news service):

"If you have felt unusually cold this winter, it has not been your imagination.
Melbourne has shivered through its coldest winter in 10 years"


They followed that statement with:
"But early forecasts suggest spring, starting tomorrow, will bring above-average temperatures and sunny days in the lead up to a blistering summer."

Funny, I remember those things being said a few times over the years. But I still don't like that 'blistering summer' bit...

What they don't tell you is that the globe has been cooling for 10 years now. Too many inconvenient truths that go against the argument.

[hwoods]

if all else fails get them huge ass fans and let em rip



It's actually Big Ass Fans......... www.BigAssFans.com .......:D :D :D

[mcaldwell]

I don't understand what everyone is worried about. Even the polar bears have begun to adapt with camoflauge.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/09/07/green.polar.bears.japan.ap/index.html?iref=mpstoryview

:p :D

[mcaldwell]

It's actually Big Ass Fans......... www.BigAssFans.com .......:D :D :D


I just spent and hour surfing around that damn site, AND I HAVE NO USE FOR A FAN. :o

Great Marketing. Now how do we mount it on the moon.

[MTKROUSH]

I just spent and hour surfing around that damn site, AND I HAVE NO USE FOR A FAN. :o

Great Marketing. Now how do we mount it on the moon.

Very carefully. I suggest we figure out how to get excavators and concrete rigs up there to pour one hell of a slab foundation for the Big Ass Fan

[Raughammer1]

Climate change this week: Sunspots disappear

For the first time in almost a century, an entire month has passed without a single sunspot being visible on the sun’s surface. The event is significant because sunspots are caused by solar magnetic activity, and solar magnetic activity is increasingly believed by climatologists to be one of the primary factors influencing the earth’s climate. It is not uncommon to see 100 or more sunspots in a single month, but during the first seven months of 2008, the sun averaged only three spots, followed by the total disappearance of spots last month.

The disappearance of sunspots has caught most astronomers by surprise and defied almost all predictions, though one observatory seems to have gotten it right. In 2005, a pair of astronomers from the National Solar Observatory (NSO) in Tucson wrote a paper predicting that within 10 years, sunspots would disappear entirely. But their peers laughed at the two astronomers, and Science refused to publish their paper on the grounds that it was too controversial. In the end, “consensus” stifled scientific debate, and the NSO astronomers were ignored.

The scientific community is paying attention now, however. Some climate scientists believe that the sun’s “dynamo” (the process that creates its magnetic field) might be idling. As the sun’s dynamo slows and sunspot activity decreases, the sun’s magnetosphere is reduced, affecting cloud formation and climate modulation on earth. A long absence of sunspots has happened three times in the past 1,000 years: the Dalton, Maunder and Sporer Minimums. The Maunder Minimum coincided with the 400-year Little Ice Age, during which Europe and North America endured bitterly cold winters that devastated agriculture.

If we are indeed entering another solar minimum on the scale of the Maunder Minimum, we can expect severe global cooling to follow, stressing both the agriculture and energy industries. The practice of harvesting corn for use as fuel ethanol will likely become a distant memory, and the United States’ short-sighted energy policies could mean there won’t be enough heating oil, natural gas and electricity to go around in the severest of winters. We hope it won’t come to that, but if it does, at least Al Gore will be where he belongs: out in the cold.

-The Patriot.

[spearsm]

It's actually Big Ass Fans......... www.BigAssFans.com .......:D :D :D


Got two of the bigger ones at work....Now that is a Big Aze Fan!!

[ScareCrow57]

Isn't it funny how all of this scientific evidence against Global Warming is being presented yet does not make it into the mainstream liberal press outlets. Damn liberals are going to look pretty silly in another 10 years as things cool even more. Then it will be all about opening the ozone hole to get more heat in. :rolleyes:

[mcaldwell]

Isn't it funny how all of this scientific evidence against Global Warming is being presented yet does not make it into the mainstream liberal press outlets. Damn liberals are going to look pretty silly in another 10 years as things cool even more. Then it will be all about opening the ozone hole to get more heat in. :rolleyes:


All I can predict is that there is going to be one MutherF@$!$#g "I told you so". :p :D :D

[Raughammer1]

According to the World Meteorological Organization (WMO), the first half of 2008 has been the coolest in five years. The WMO further concludes that the so-called “global warming” that may have occurred over the past 30 years is no longer the trend. Geologist Don Easterbrook, a professor emeritus at Western Washington University, predicts that temperatures will cool between 2065 and 2100 by less than one degree. Easterbrook is using the temperatures of the years since 2002 to establish a climate pattern. “The argument that this is too short a time period to be meaningful would be valid were it not for the fact that this cooling exactly fits the pattern of timing of warm/cool cycles over the past 400 years,” Easterbrook wrote. Another geologist, Robert Giegengack of the University of Pennsylvania, notes, “For most of Earth’s history, the globe has been warmer than it has been for the last 200 years. It has rarely been cooler.”

Meanwhile, the Old Farmer’s Almanac predicts that the coming winter will be “catastrophic” due to cold weather. In fact, two-thirds of the country should look for colder-than-average temperatures this winter. Not to mention higher energy bills.